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On April 12 2012 14:58 Node wrote: I was going to swear off mafia for awhile after the travesty that was my last game, but damnit, I'm intrigued. /in I wouldn't blame yourself too much for that (TL LII jubjub right?). Mafia ran interference the whole game, and had mfing 2shot Dayvig to off you. | ||
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yeaaaaaaaa FYI I will be playing completely differently than I usually do. I need to play with less emotions and tight-ass-ery | ||
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Will lynch MrZentor. | ||
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I'm support GMarshal for Mayor, as he looks/is: 1. Most transparent, will tell us Captain's abilities if it will benefit town 2. Likely to take in input from players but ultimately make his own choice 3. Isn't a total scrub From posts like these I find him to be the best candidate. ##Vote: GMarshal RazyorFlash His first post was fluffy flavor, not a scum tell per se but definitely noncontributing. On April 14 2012 04:49 RayzorFlash wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I still haven't gotten a PM... I feel left out  1.Theres been a lot of good discussion going on with regards to transparency or secrecy for the captain... I think that whoever gets elected captain will be the one who has to make that call, really. I agree with what people have said that the captain needs to be able to make an executive decision if he thinks that none of the candidates that town votes for are scum, and there is another target whom he thinks is likely to be scum. While I agree that the captain should call his lynch in order to give people a chance to defend/wrap up their matters, I can also see scum exploiting that with fakeclaims etc... 2.As I said before, I wouldn't mind being captain if you all think I'm trustworthy enough, but I have a history of making bad reads (pushed for a ton of bad mislynches in my first game, had the completely wrong reads in Arkham City too) and in retrospect it would probably be better if I were not captain. The person I'll vote for captain needs to be someone who generally has good reads, is someone I have a reasonably good town read on, and is also willing to listen to peoples opinions and think/post rationally with little spam and clear sensible points. So far all the people who are running have satisfied only one or two of these criteria... Except, that is, for GMarshal... GMarshal, in order to gain my vote you have to answer the following questions: - Who would you vote for if you had the same criteria as me? - Why would you lynch VayeshMoru instead of any of the 10 other people who haven't really contributed anything yet?? 1. RF states a lot of the ideas that have been floating around regarding captain, but didn't actually really say what HE thinks on the matter? He doesn't say whether he wants captain to be transparent or secretive, just that captain should "make that call". Also waffly when saying "I think captain should call lynch", but "maybe not cuz uhh hurr". Seems indecisive, just talking about said topic to talk about it. 2. Says I'll run for captain if you want me to, but I'm bad at making reads so I shouldn't be captain. ??? What is the point of saying this? Seems odd. FoS on RayzorFlash Going bowling, will be skyping it up later tonight if people are up for it. | ||
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On April 14 2012 11:35 RayzorFlash wrote: Re: EchelonTee - Did you actually read my posts??? :S My first post was me running for captain, I felt there wasn't that much flavor in there, a lot of it was my stance on key matters, as well as ideas regarding transparency, etc. My second post was me changing my mind since I realized that if I had to make an executive decision i'd most likely be wrong in my reads and it'd be better for town to have a better player in the role. If you actually read the parts that you label, it contains me outlining characteristics that would make a good mayor and why I think GMarshal was a good choice for captaincy... If you want to come up with someone to FoS at least put in the effort to read the posts fully. Don't just try to pick someone and come up with a random cause... That's something scum would do It annoys the hell out of me when someone's response, in any medium, is "did you even read my posts?". Of course I read them. It really doesn't take that long to read like 4 paragraphs; I'm not looking for a summary of what you said, but an explanation for what I find to be suspicious behavior What I SAID about your post was that Seems indecisive, just talking about said topic to talk about it. Because you waver over the issues at hand without seeming to have a direct opinion, wanting to run for mayor but backing off quickly when it's apparent that your viewpoints are not popular, and not concisely stating what you think captain should do. I mean, compare your post to this one, of similar subject matter but absolutely different tone. I'm just calling it as I see it; that make me scum? On April 14 2012 12:29 RayzorFlash wrote: Ace: My three paragraphs in my campaign speech 1: Decide who gets lynched by a vote, 2: Share hidden powers if captain gets any, 3: Dont get distracted by mechanics of how captain works and lets focus on hunting scum If you plan on doing #3, I eagerly await it. My FoS is just a call for you to do more. @l10f, prelims are pretty much over; you should have plenty of time to play the game, where are you? @Sinani, ur doing that thing where you're really uncontroversial and lurky. If you've been active in PMs, you should have an idea of who you think is scum - who would you want captain to lynch? For the vets who are planning on playing this game purely through PMs or whatever: discussing/developing reads through PMs in such a medium is definitely better for town (less chance of manipulation by scum), but when making decisions like voting for mayor, calling someone scum, it would be appreciated if the decision making process is clearly articulated. There are a lot of newbies in this game (myself included) who are thinking "wtf all the vets are trolling doing shit", and while it has come to my attn that PM games often end up like this, if you want the myriad of newbies to be useful and not just a pack of lurky doods with not enough content to deduce alignment. | ||
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EBWOP: if you want the newbies to useful, explain your decision making process please. | ||
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On April 15 2012 00:34 talismania wrote: 7. RayzorFlash - I read him as town playing at a superficial level, or at least posting at one. He asked if I wanted to be captain out of the blue, which I think would be a strange thing to even think about or propose as scum. 13. EchelonTee - I am a bit suspicious of his FoS on Rayzorflash, mainly because I couldn't really see Rayzor as scum. I don't think it necessarily indicts ET, but I'm curious about his reasoning, and have asked him to follow up further. You realize I also asked if someone wanted to be captain out of the blue as well. How does that make RF unscummy, while I remain a "bit suspicious"? That's a strange double standard, but it might just be because you were flattered someone would suggest you as captain. I already followed up with my reasoning here, in case you missed it. MrZentor I don't agree with a MrZentor lynch. Something that lot of the vets seem to be ignoring is the possibility of newbies just play suboptimally, and so they just call everything that is bad scummy. MrZentor legitimately made it seem like he wanted the mayoral positions in these posts. While I don't think his platform is good at all (the whole democratic jazz), I highly doubt that a scum team would allow MrZentor to run like this. Running for mayor = tons of scrutiny on you, and you have to be able to deal with the pressure or you will be pwnt like BM in TL L. While his mayoral campagin was bad, he wasn't all like "oh i want to run sort of but kind of" in a half assed way - he actually believes that his policies are da best, which signals that he doesn't give a fck what people think about him, which doesn't ring scummy to me. Unless they are experienced, scum are usually more scared. MrZentor feels to me like the usual narrow minded strongly opinionated town MrZ. I have failed to see anyone bring up a legitimate reason why MrZentor is scummy, and not merely just bad. The case on him can be summed up as "I didn't like his campgain" and "he's being disruptive", where I fail to see how he has been disruptive. Paragon of townieness? naw. But he's been posting opinions on a few people, which laughably enough is miles more than other players in this game. Captain candidates, since the election is wrapping up, it would be appreciated if you posted who you plan to lynch and why. I added some more people on skype, talk to me pls. | ||
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On April 15 2012 06:08 chaoser wrote: lol, ET, what do you think of tali? leaning town It's pretty hard to work off of minimal in thread content; I'm going the gonzaw route. Myriad of questions I want answered or I tunnel your lurker ass: @Node, it sounded like you were going to be doing things in thread and running a good game. So far you've been more disappointing than Santa being fake. Any thoughts on today's lynch? @VE you're doing that thing where you lightly troll, lurk, and don't build any cases. Smells a lot like TL LI. Why do you think Ace is scum? @Sinensis The times I have seen you play town, you've been more abrasive in pursuing your opinons and/or plans. All you have done is lightly discredit others in a non-assertive manner. Any scum reads? Hell I'll take town reads. @Coag you've been pretty bold in making assertions, and it's quite obvious you think Ace is scum. Why aren't you pushing him now? If you've added me on skype and I haven't talked to you yet, msg me with your TL id and stuff. I added a bunch of people but I don't know who you are lol. | ||
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On April 17 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote: (empty post) VE what did you edit out here? was it a mod directed edit? On April 17 2012 08:37 VisceraEyes wrote: The following people need to be interrogated thoroughly and put under insane amounts of scrutiny right now: MrZentor, Myself, Sandroba, GMarshal, wherebugsgo, and prplhz If your name isn't on this list, you need to be in this thread asking questions of the following people and making them share their reads with you so you can determine for yourself if they're trustworthy. Oh VE, you want us to scrutinize people including yourself? speaking of which: On April 16 2012 16:53 EchelonTee wrote: Myriad of questions I want answered or I tunnel your lurker ass: @Node, it sounded like you were going to be doing things in thread and running a good game. So far you've been more disappointing than Santa being fake. Any thoughts on today's lynch? @VE you're doing that thing where you lightly troll, lurk, and don't build any cases. Smells a lot like TL LI. Why do you think Ace is scum? @Sinensis The times I have seen you play town, you've been more abrasive in pursuing your opinons and/or plans. All you have done is lightly discredit others in a non-assertive manner. Any scum reads? Hell I'll take town reads. @Coag you've been pretty bold in making assertions, and it's quite obvious you think Ace is scum. Why aren't you pushing him now? I asked you a question way earlier and you never responded. I asked 3 other people questions and they never answered me. Nothing can get done in thread because people under scrutiny just ignore the scruinty and continue lurking / floating in PM land, such as yourself. If you demand transparency, you have to show it. You're finally starting to get to work, which is moderately redeeming, but seriously. How the hell are we supposed to play this game if no one posts?? Node, where the hell are you? | ||
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apologies for playing like a dingus. I wasn't lying when I said personal stuff was kicking me in the rear. | ||
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Number 1 Town Dictator: Sandroba Town Tunneling Machine: VisceraEyes Awesome Newbie: talismania Misunderstood Rogue: Ace Teh Martyr: Acrofales BLU Snipers: Vayesh, Node, risk.nuke Scum MVP: wherebugsgo | ||
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My play: it was terrible, and non-committal, so much less than I am capable of. Apologies to everyone involved, I was hit by the RL stick and couldn't put into this the time that it deserved. If I had worked hard in PM land perhaps we would've stood a chance, but as it stood I just did bad. My apologies to Coagulation, for me overracting and being a pissy loser in Scum QT. Scum team play: WBG infiltrated early and had established a pretty nice position, but the rest of the scum team was woefully left out of the PM circle. It was easy for Sandroba to consider everyone who claimed to him town, and to fire into the people remaining. Most of the scum team were pretty helpless throughout the game. Town play: usual mixed bag of good and bad. the town environment was really really terrible TBH until VisceraEyes joined the game. This let people like Node or prplhz, who never did anything scummy per se, to be potential mislynch candidates, simply because nobody in the town was talking. Sandroba's plan was very powerful, but it could've derailed if the thread never got moving. The chance of it being derailed was very very very very low, admittedly, but as it stands, the stranglehold of town was troublesome. The shot on Ace was senseless, to be perfectly honest. Sandroba even said in PMs "the shots aren't very powerful, that rules out dangerous scum players like Ace", yet he shot anyways. Don't get it. talismania gets a shout out for best newbie, good standard town play. Overall, this game was won through blue powers (all but 1 of the scum players were shot by blues), not by analysis at all. The setup: I liked the flavor, and scum ended up winning the 2nd puzzle (answer: ventriloquist), which prevented destroyed items from being ressurected. The aliens had varied and intersting powers, but it was hard to justify using them over just using KP to shoot people (using powers deducted some of our KP). The fact that items can be traded meant that it was easier to confirm players; as soon as syllogism asked WBG to hand over his fake medic gun, WBG was outted. Also, half of the scum team was inexperienced with PM games, which meant that PMs strongly favored town. Overall, the concept of items and stealing and stuff was pretty interesting, and town took advantage of that by forcing claims left and right. Thanks a lot to DrH and Kitaman for hosting; sorry for my failures to maintain a good attitude and play to my fullest. | ||
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Alien having a medic power. we knew l10f and coag were totally going to get shot in the face, but we had no way to stop it. Nerf the alien powers a bit, and let us start with an item or two. Like have the Alien Overlord start with an Exo-skeleton, and the Alien "medic" start with a syringe. Then we can take part in the item trade game. Don't allow guns to be refilled. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but did risk.nuke start with one bullet, use it on ace, then get it refilled and he used it again on WBG? Once risk.nuke and GM became trusted townies, they had a consistent 2nd KP rolling. Pretty crazy. | ||
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On April 21 2012 13:05 wherebugsgo wrote: you told me my estimates were wrong when my estimates were actually LOW from the spreadsheet alone you can see there were 15-16 items when my estimate was 14. So yes, you are a liar and I am saying that with confidence. cool it. we got wrecked. let's not make this thread as screwed up as our QT, yah? | ||
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On April 21 2012 13:50 talismania wrote: Thanks for all the best newbie shout outs but I feel they're a tad undeserved since I've played like 20 games before on another site :-) hustler!! ... stay and play with us <3 | ||
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On April 21 2012 15:07 gonzaw wrote: What!!?? So ET was scum....yet he LOST!!!??? :O :O :O (there should be a smiley here for that  )I guess we won't be able to continue our flawless scum-run together now >< It was going to end sometime; you win some you lose some. I'm ready to catch you if I'm town and you're scum :p | ||
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On April 21 2012 17:40 sandroba wrote: "Sandroba was playing terribly, threatening to shoot anyone who didn't do exactly what he asked. He threatened to kill VE several times for not returning the DT items he stole and killed Ace for not following his orders." Clearly I was playing terribly by getting all scum. Real bad play i should have got all scum day 1 instead of day 3 for it to be good. I also never threatened to shoot VE. I questioned to get a read and that was terrible play also cuz I should have known VE was town by default obviously. are you always this arrogant and petulant? just let it go | ||
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On April 21 2012 18:26 Barundar wrote: So many emotions in this, seriusly chill? No reason to have any bad blood. +1 Barundar's my new bro | ||
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