Not sure the newbie game wants me. This seems to be filling slowly, and I'm thinking about it.
Is there any indication on how weird this game is going to be? Lets say a 10-scale, with 1 being a normal game and 10 being Aperture, what do you expect from this game?
I kinda want to play some more normal-ish games before I jump into the weird stuff (DFM2 was an exception as I was bored)
K, the newbie game wants me after all and I don't like playing two games at once. A 7 on the scale of weird is probably too much for me at this point anyway Good luck filling the game, the space theme looks fun.
WTF. This started fast. There are some seriously big guns doing nothing much interesting for about 3 pages. That makes me think all that talk about veterans is code for spammer. Spammers make bad captains (true story).
So yeah, I'm throwing in my name for the captain chair. Here is my campaign:
Who better to clean up this mess than the most kickass janitor in space?
One last thing: this is not a roleclaim as janitor, Roger Wilco, sanitation officer extraordinaire, just happens to be more kickass than Jean-Luc Picard and James Kirk put together.
This is my campaign theme song. Look forward to hearing it out the ship speakers every day that I am captain:
Time to discuss some policy! If you vote for me as the captain of the Antioch I promise to be harsh on lurkers. I don't think a lynch all lurkers policy makes sense, because invariably at the end of D1 there is a better candidate in any case. I prefer to vig shot lurkers, because there is little to be learned from votes on them. I am good at keeping tabs on people and seeing where they stand on things, whether their posting makes sense and am tireless in the pursuit of scum. True lurkers will be flushed out of hiding, forcing them to show their true colors, or shot for insidious lurkering.
Regardless of who ends up captaining this ship, we need to hunt scum, so the captain has someone to toss out the airlock.
Everybody may be joking about lynching Ace, but his posts have been silly oneliners. If that is his plan for this game, I am not opposed to flushing him straight into space. It will get rid of one non-contributing player, and in addition be hilarious!
Either Sandroba is a mastermind scum who has duped several people including me into thinking he's town (in a very convincing manner). Or he's actually town. I like Ockham's razor on this one. ##vote Sandroba
Scumhunting by PM sucks. Calling out random people here. Layabout, you're helluva silent. Not used to you being so quiet. What do you think of froggynoddy? Frogs tend to live in scummy ponds. Do you agree?
Clarification of my previous post: this game by PM is working in exactly the opposite way I am used to playing. Rather than starting with everybody neutral and finding scum I am starting with everybody neutral and finding town. I'm glad that is a good thing for the mayoral vote, but it's not helping me one fig with the search for scum. Hence the random callout.
On April 13 2012 23:41 sandroba wrote: I do that every pm game and I was scum in only one of them. The one I was scum I talked to only 2 people mostly and never tried to contact anyone else. If I pm'ed you of all people to try to figure out stuff that should tell you something.
You have found a way to confirm a bunch of players and You're collecting claims thanks to this bullshit reason. You did not find a way to confirm a bunch of players out of nowhere. You're lying. You're fishing for roles. Since when TL Mafia has magic button "confirm town" in every themed PM game, huh? DON'T CLAIM TO SANDROBA. Don't claim to ANYBODY, it's DAY ONE. Day two isn't right either. Don't be stupid damn it.
I'm down with this, I'm not claiming to anyone, however nicely they ask
On April 13 2012 23:50 MrZentor wrote: I am running for mayor, and this is why you should elect me.
1) Democracy-I will hold an unofficial vote for who I will lynch.
2) Activity-I will actively help hunt scum and guide the town.
3) Transparency-I will reveal exactly what powers I get from being Captain.
4) Accountability- If, for any reason, I break any of the above promises, I expect to be lynched ASAP.
I want to put the power in the town's hands.
All you need to do now is convince me you're town!
That's the point.
It's impossible to know who is town this early in the game.
The next best thing is to set it up, so that in the unlikely chance that I am scum, the first thing that happens after I do something that's not pro town is the lynching of me.
That's basically a free scum.
That's assuming you're a really dumb scum. It's quite easy to look as if you're pro-town after the fact, and whatever powers the mayor gets, I want them in the hands of whoever I have the best town read on. Sandroba and GM have done a pretty good job so far of convincing me they're town. It's your turn.
chaoser! I find your MO similar to your GoT MO. You post nonsense and then disappear for all of D1. You were scum there. Mind contributing, or are you scum here too?
On April 14 2012 14:16 Sinensis wrote: I would rather randomly elect a captain than trust the people around me with votes. We could use inca vs nestea results as the seed value in a random number generator? (possible seed values if we use a bo3 SC match are 03, 30, 13, 31, 23, 32)
How do we know that's random? You might have tried seeds until it gave you the result you wanted. Plus, random vote is stupid.
Mind not posting my skype info in the thread :S I get enough spam as is, thank you. Other than that, it's all fine. Doc, can you please edit out my skype info in Kurumi's post? Thanks
On April 14 2012 08:59 grush57 wrote: ##Unvote Froggynoddy Only the chosen pmers know why. ##Vote GMarshal Think he will do the right thing, seems townie.
Should I be worried?
I think I'm going to vote Ace, simply because I don't like the Sandroba, GM voting for each other business. THIS IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH NOT COURTLY ETIQUETTE!!!
But seriously I don't like Sandroba's stance on PM-ing and the Captaincy in general. I also don't like GM's response to my question:
On April 14 2012 06:56 froggynoddy wrote: Ok, sorry for lack of activity, built a mobile donkey shelter and then went to restaurant... too much Cognac. Back to the game:
Comparing campaigners content, I would like to vote for GM. He makes by far the most sense out of all those running for mayor. He isn't gimicky, he isnt super pro PM-ing (which admittedly has its uses late game, but seems to confuse the hell out of stuff early game), and his stance regarding 'enlightened despot' vs 'democrat' appeals to me. What I don't like is his vote on Sandroba. Similarlyto the premise 'push a lynch that you believe will most likely result in scum flip', our votes for Mayor should be 'who you think is most likely to summarily execute scum'. So my question to you (GM) is this:
You don't know that Sandroba is town, if you are town then you know for sure that you are town, threrfore you are most likely to find scum. Therefore why vote for Sandroba unless he's your scumbuddy, I don't get it .
Because sandro is my strongest town read ^_^
Also I hardly ever vote for myself in elections, its not respectable. Its not a matter of logic, its a simple matter of if I can vote for the guy running against me and he votes for me, its the same net result, but its much more elegant. Is it stupid? Probably. I'm going to do it anyway.
I don't see the Sandroba town thing, plus surely at this early stage the only town read that could be described as in any way strong is yourself.
Also we should vote for the person who least wants the captaincy, far more likely to be town imo.
##Vote Ace
Then why are you voting for Ace. You should be voting for a random person among the lurkers. They clearly don't want the captaincy, they're not even making a campaign! Or, if you don't like the lurkers, vote for Rayzor. He's managed to put his name forward and say he's a bad candidate in the same sentence! My bullshit detector is in overdrive here.
On April 14 2012 09:13 layabout wrote: Having spent a rare day away from the computer due to frequent and annoying _____*
I have had barely any time to read the thread. after a quick skim and a PM with sandro
Part of me wants to vote GM for being a gentleman, and i would like to know if he intends to explain what he plans to do, and why he should be mayor. Will he try to enforce rules of proper conduct for instance? Will he lynch Kurumi who clearly does not care about catching scum?
The rest of me wants to vote for sandro. If he really is committing all of this time to PM with so many players it should be very difficult for him to do so as scum. So in a sense voting for him is less risky because their is a reduced chance that he could remain alive and looking town if he is scum. He also has better than average early reads and is thus a good candidate by default.
Is anybody else wondering why a town WBG would do this?
I am not sure what the term is but i do know that all the lights dim and my PC turns itself off
I'm really sorry if I'm being obtuse but can you explain to me the logic in your town read here?
Which town read?
Also for somebody that seems to value transparency l10f has shared very little.
That's finger pointing. You've done this twice. To me and l10f. There's no contradiction in my post. Nobody asked You why You were away. Nobody cared. Then, why the hell would You post that You were busy? My early-game posts are early-game posts. Don't expect them to be too good. That goes for pretty much everybody. You can't have a fully fleshed out case 10 hours into the game, come on. The days are 48h for a reason (besides timezones) You posted a post full of fluff and I called You out on it. You also tried to lower opinion of GMarsh and make look sandroba better, my question is: WHY? You weren't so "confident" about sandroba then. You're lying. You don't even know what You've thought some time ago, but that's cool. When I am scum I have the same problems. Then I just usually lurk or just post a lot without attacking anybody, because it's easy! You support some shady D1 all-claim-to-one-guy plan with no reasoning. You just think sandroba is Town because he cares. I WOULD CARE TOO IF PEOPLE STARTED CLAIMING TO ME DAY ONE LOL Ace's looking Town because he's making all the good observations so far. Sandroba is scum because no town would try to get all the claims day 1 for no reason for the sake of "confirming them by a broken mechanic" Also, did You know I am Obama himself? Trust me, that's as true as Sandroba's intentions!
You seem angry. Why?
Most interesting thing in this post is not about layabout, it's about you, sandroba and ace. You are using a dupe to voice your suspicions of Sandroba. You've already made them perfectly clear. I am wondering why you think Ace's single post is so much better? I have a complete null read on Ace. His post is good, but it's not townie, nor scummy to make that post, especially for someone campaiging as mayor.
You haven't even talked about the third candidate GM, except in passing. What do you think about GM? Why is Ace better than GM?
EBWOP: I saw you called Layabout out on him saying he was busy. That was probably in response to me. I picked Layabout out of the lurkers, because I have at least some experience playing with him. I asked him why he was inactive and asked his opinion of froggy. Why you so antsy about his response?
On April 14 2012 08:59 grush57 wrote: ##Unvote Froggynoddy Only the chosen pmers know why. ##Vote GMarshal Think he will do the right thing, seems townie.
Should I be worried?
I think I'm going to vote Ace, simply because I don't like the Sandroba, GM voting for each other business. THIS IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH NOT COURTLY ETIQUETTE!!!
But seriously I don't like Sandroba's stance on PM-ing and the Captaincy in general. I also don't like GM's response to my question:
On April 14 2012 07:07 GMarshal wrote:
On April 14 2012 06:56 froggynoddy wrote: Ok, sorry for lack of activity, built a mobile donkey shelter and then went to restaurant... too much Cognac. Back to the game:
Comparing campaigners content, I would like to vote for GM. He makes by far the most sense out of all those running for mayor. He isn't gimicky, he isnt super pro PM-ing (which admittedly has its uses late game, but seems to confuse the hell out of stuff early game), and his stance regarding 'enlightened despot' vs 'democrat' appeals to me. What I don't like is his vote on Sandroba. Similarlyto the premise 'push a lynch that you believe will most likely result in scum flip', our votes for Mayor should be 'who you think is most likely to summarily execute scum'. So my question to you (GM) is this:
You don't know that Sandroba is town, if you are town then you know for sure that you are town, threrfore you are most likely to find scum. Therefore why vote for Sandroba unless he's your scumbuddy, I don't get it .
Because sandro is my strongest town read ^_^
Also I hardly ever vote for myself in elections, its not respectable. Its not a matter of logic, its a simple matter of if I can vote for the guy running against me and he votes for me, its the same net result, but its much more elegant. Is it stupid? Probably. I'm going to do it anyway.
I don't see the Sandroba town thing, plus surely at this early stage the only town read that could be described as in any way strong is yourself.
Also we should vote for the person who least wants the captaincy, far more likely to be town imo.
##Vote Ace
Then why are you voting for Ace. You should be voting for a random person among the lurkers. They clearly don't want the captaincy, they're not even making a campaign! Or, if you don't like the lurkers, vote for Rayzor. He's managed to put his name forward and say he's a bad candidate in the same sentence! My bullshit detector is in overdrive here.
Why are you voting for Ace?
Oh, so at least one of GM and Sand is scum.
Interesting..
How do you reach that conclusion? I would like to hear your logic.
On April 14 2012 23:14 Kurumi wrote: So, what's happening now?
People are PM'ing me. How bout you?
Silence, pretty worried that scumteam waits for some vet to get some kind of case rolling on whoever. Do You think Captain will be something more than usual bodyguard stuff?
I'm hoping captain gets the actual number of "threats", but anything beyond "he gets to decide the first lynch" is all speculation about game mechanics and extremely pointless.
Why you worried about scum making cases? You easily convinced?
Correction. I just got told Sinensis ninjavoted for Ace. FoS: Sinensis. You want to random vote (which is bad) and then go and vote for Ace without explaining yourself?
On April 14 2012 23:49 Kurumi wrote: Acrofales, as I told You PM games tend to be pretty silent, which is freaking bad in my opinion. After You're dead there's noone to confirm convos You had. I fear that we're going to have a lot of suprise voting and cases in something like 4-8 hours, when US comes back and we won't have time to sort it out.
That would be fine, if they were PMing people. I have PM'd quite a lot of people. None of them has talked to any of those 4. What gives?
On April 15 2012 02:11 MrZentor wrote: I'll say my reasons when I want to convince you of it.
Now would be a good time to convince me. Your behaviour in this game so far has been nothing but scummy. I would like to see you contribute something townie.
I don't want to run anymore. WBG gave me some good reasons for not running. I am completely new to a PM game, so thought the thread was just a giant shithole at the time. Hence my decision to run. WBG and others have since clued me in that a crapton of stuff has been happening behind the scenes and while I have figured out how to play this game, I also have a town read on both Sandro and GM (slightly stronger on Sandro, but I understand people's point of being afraid to invest too much power in one person). I see no reason to confuse the vote any further at the moment.
Deciphering the MANCJ is all very well, but what is the lovers part? That is one kinky love pentangle. I would also like to confirm that I was not invited to any mason QT: I am not the A in there.
In related news: GM, does the captain's seat mean you have an escape pod, have launched yourself off the ship and won't talk ever again to anybody?
1. Froggynoddy. Why? 2. What does captaincy do? 3. Why did you disappear?
On April 15 2012 23:58 Acrofales wrote: Deciphering the MANCJ is all very well, but what is the lovers part? That is one kinky love pentangle. I would also like to confirm that I was not invited to any mason QT: I am not the A in there.
In related news: GM, does the captain's seat mean you have an escape pod, have launched yourself off the ship and won't talk ever again to anybody?
1. Froggynoddy. Why? 2. What does captaincy do? 3. Why did you disappear?
On April 15 2012 02:54 GMarshal wrote: froggynoddy This guy has the strongest case against him tight now, he has a couple tell tale signs that point him out as newbie scum
On April 14 2012 06:56 froggynoddy wrote: Ok, sorry for lack of activity, built a mobile donkey shelter and then went to restaurant... too much Cognac. Back to the game:
You don't know that Sandroba is town, if you are town then you know for sure that you are town, threrfore you are most likely to find scum. Therefore why vote for Sandroba unless he's your scumbuddy, I don't get it .
Two things in this post 1.) Apologizing for something that needs no apology. This is a sign of a guilty conscience much like what gave up Misder in Ver's XXX analysis. I did this all the time as the mole in PYP:Interesting, and Radfeild caught me out on it, so I'm always attentively looking for this kind of unnecessary apology.
2.) His issue with me trusting sandroba. This is typical of scum trying to subvert trust. "Why would you trust him OMG!" is the typical scum response to fast, uncontrollable circles of trust forming, and is basically how they express frustration while trying to discredit them in the thread.
On April 14 2012 18:16 froggynoddy wrote: I don't see the Sandroba town thing, plus surely at this early stage the only town read that could be described as in any way strong is yourself.
Also we should vote for the person who least wants the captaincy, far more likely to be town imo.
##Vote Ace
Again, we see him actively discrediting town reads, which are actually vitally important in PM games as well as an excellent tool for weeding out scum.
Look at his posts, most are focused on discrediting sandroba, without once calling him scum, its basically "I don't see how people trust him" not "he could be scum guys". Subtley his wording gives away that he knows sandroba is town, and is both angry and clueless as to how others without privileged information have discovered the same thing.
On April 14 2012 00:07 GMarshal wrote: Transparency is overrated, you keep the town on a need to know basis, especially in a PM game. Come on people, has no one here read Ver's guide after the debacle of Death Factory Mafia 2? I'll be transparent in my decisions, but I'll be damned if I'm going to share everything I know or learn for the sake of "transparency"
Tell me MrZentor, say being captian made you into an Anti Scum Paranoid Gun owner, would you share it with the town for the sake of "transparency", thus sacrificing the power of the role?
On April 10 2012 11:45 GMarshal wrote: considering playing, but I'm not sure if I have time for a PM game, I'll get back to you, looks like a blast Dr.H
You're not helping and implying I didn't read the thread, including everything GM said rather carefully. I would bother replying, but GM ninja'd your chainsaw defense of him with something I do sympathise with.
Oh, and GM was one of my strongest town reads before he went missing. I also find it quite hard to believe a mafia would invent a gruesome injury as an excuse, when any old bullshit excuse would've worked equally well. So he's either scum telling a really coldhearted lie, or he has a potentially serious eye injury (regardless of alignment). I prefer to believe in humanity (and my earlier town read).
On April 16 2012 03:50 Coagulation wrote: wherebugsgo Ace Kurumi michaelthe VisceraEyes
at this point they all need flipped asap from what I have been seeing.
You mean you think they're scum? Or you just want them dead for the hell of it? In either case, mind explaining why these four? I can pull random names out of a hat too.
On April 16 2012 02:11 RayzorFlash wrote: Honestly, I'd still rather have had GMarshal than Sandroba call the lynch... At least I knew that GM was gonna lynch out of the three people he suggested (would've agreed with the other two a lot more than with Froggy). I had no idea who Sandro would've lynched had he gotten elected. He didn't push anyone for a case at all, or at least not publicly.
Ohai Jackal, you're here... Can you catch up on the thread and let me know who your best scum read is please? Thanks
I gotta believe one of GMarshall or Sandroba are scum. WBG hasn't been calling everybody an idiot or a moron. ViscEyes is awol as was the person he replaced.
[21:09:04] Acrofales: hi. why you so scummy? [21:26:59] l10f: It's cus I'm Amurican [21:27:48] Acrofales: is that where they speak spanish? [21:28:01] l10f: hablo espanol [21:28:29] Acrofales: excelente mi amigo. porque estas tan mafioso? [21:28:37] l10f: yo estudie espanol por cuatro anos [21:29:09] Acrofales: but we should probably speak english, or any copypasting of this convo is going to need to be translated [21:29:23] l10f: haha, yeah. and google translate sux [21:29:52] Acrofales: anyway, was going over people's filters and yours stood out as exceptionally bad [21:30:06] l10f: yeah I reread my own posts after I come back and facepalm at myself too [21:30:11] Acrofales: saw your contact info and figured i should ask you in person [21:30:19] l10f: but you can trust me I mean no hard [21:30:21] l10f: harm(* [21:30:40] Acrofales: isn't that what the godfather said just before he dropped a horse's head in his buddy's bed? [21:31:07] Acrofales: so. why vote for GM after saying you want transparency [21:31:09] l10f: I haven't watched the movie [21:31:31] Acrofales: when GM's whole policy was "transparency is an empty promise. I will do whatever the hell i like" [21:31:55] l10f: At that point it was either GM or sandroba [21:32:01] l10f: and I like GM better than sandroba [21:32:05] l10f: there was no mass changing of vote [21:32:08] l10f: that was going to happen [21:32:08] Acrofales: have you talked to them? [21:32:19] l10f: I've talked to GM a little sandroba not at all [21:32:24] l10f: I skype'd him [21:32:26] l10f: he hasn't responed yet [21:32:42] Acrofales: interesting [21:33:14] l10f: I am not a good mafia player by any means, but I really am trying my best to help the town. [21:33:32] Acrofales: what have you done to help town? [21:33:43] l10f: So far, vote GMarhsal, and that's it [21:34:50] Acrofales: that is not very much. i expect there's some scum in the GM vote (and others in the sandroba vote) [21:35:24] Acrofales: so your contributions to town have gotten froggy killed. i think flash is unimpressed [21:35:45] Acrofales: did you agree with the froggy lynch at the time? [21:36:12] l10f: I told GM that I agreedwith froggy lynch at the time, yes. [21:38:04] Acrofales: aside from GM and me, you talking to anybody else? [21:38:49] l10f: i talked a bit to wbg [21:38:59] l10f: kurumi sent me a PM, but I never responded [21:39:14] Acrofales: responding to kurumi is kinda pointless, so no harm there [21:39:21] Acrofales: what do you think of wbg? [21:40:06] l10f: not a fan of all the flavor text [21:40:30] Acrofales: so what do you think of vanesh? [21:41:06] l10f: vayesh you mean? [21:41:26] l10f: he hasn't done much but vote ace [21:41:36] Acrofales: and post lots of flavour text [21:42:38] l10f: yup [21:43:07] l10f: btw [21:43:12] l10f: what are your thoughts? [21:43:25] l10f: on the mentioned people [21:43:50] l10f: I have to leave in 3 minutes, so I'll talk to you when I get back if yuo want to ask more questions [21:45:35] l10f: ttyl
I disagree with almost everything said since the game ended.
I don't think it's PMs that ruin the game, but chat definitely does. There's a giant difference between realtime conversation and private messages, which allow scu to actually formulate a plausible response, rather than claim "blaster shield".
Sandroba clearly is the MVP. He figured out how the game worked and acted on it. Claiming that he broke the ame is as dum as claiming scum roke DFM. It was a game with specific mechanics and Sandro was the first to adapt to them. Mafia could have too and who knows what would've happened.
The puzzles were an interesting oddball thrown in there and the flavour was awesome. I received 7 paragraphs of text when I died.
What might've been a bit imba are some of the items. They might have needed tonig down a bit, but other than that I think the main problem was realtime conversation.
Anyway, thank you Doc for putting this game together. I enjoyed the day I was alive and think the setuphas promise.
Okay, I got pissed off before reading page 64. I agree with chaoser too.
One other thing. I received pms from quite a few people who complained about not knowing what the hell was going on (after i pm'd them). I can really imagine this game sucking badly if you weren't pm'ing actively. That was rhe advice I gave those people. I would like to tank the scumbag bugs for telling me how om games worked, o I would've been equally lost. Apparently I figured it ou quickly enough to get shot N1 ;(
Also, how did scum know about the bomb on grush? I don't have my skype logs here, bu I don't remember givng Sandro that info. I gave it to zentor for sure (part of the reason I told marvel to be suspicious o zentor if I died).
On April 22 2012 01:32 Acrofales wrote: I received 7 paragraphs of text when I died.
I'd be interested in reading some of the pm flavor text if people don't mind sharing them.
Here:
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: Those strange letters swimming around in your brain began to chance. M - A - L - I - C - E , is that what was meant? There is certainly a lot of that around these parts. You get a strong urge to walk back to the bar. It's late. Or rather, it's early. Two-thirty in the morning to be exact. You shuffle slowly through the hallway. Someone is sitting there with his head down. You say nothing and continue walking.
There is a bottle of vodka in the bar called "Malice Firewater" that you suddenly remember. After a long and slow walk behind the counter you find it. There's definitely something behind it. You lift the bottle up and reach behind there and find a small tracking device. Wow, this could really come in handy. If you slapped this on somebody, you'd know for sure where they went. If you slapped this on a murderer, there'd be little doubt as to his guilt the following morning.
You turn around. Grush57 is sitting on the couch. You sit down next to him, holding the small explosive in the palm of your hand. You sit next to him and pat him on the shoulder, placing the explosive near his neck.
"Crazy day huh? I think we'll get it right next time." you say with a smile. He looks up from his book and nods.
"Uh...yeah.." he says. He looks nervous. You decide to just get up and leave him to his reading.
You feel pretty good about the night and walk back through the hallway. That person who was sitting in the hall is gone. Who was that again?
You enter your room. The lights are off. Odd, since you had turned them on before you left. You flick the light switch on but nothing happens. Damn lights are out. You put your coat down on the chair and move toward your bed to get some rest when you hear someone breathing behind you. You freeze. "Going to sleep?"
Their breath is hot on your neck now and you can feel something slimy crawling up your back. You turn around quickly. It's l10f. That's very clear. But his eyes don't look human at all. They're long and black. His teeth are sharp. The flesh around his face is peeling away revealing a dark green shell. You try to scream but you can't. There is a pain in your throat and a feeling of emptiness suddenly overtaking you. It takes you a second to realize you are at least 12 feet in the air, suspended by a huge spike protruding from l10f's chest. Everything fades away.
On April 22 2012 01:50 Acrofales wrote: Okay, I got pissed off before reading page 64. I agree with chaoser too.
One other thing. I received pms from quite a few people who complained about not knowing what the hell was going on (after i pm'd them). I can really imagine this game sucking badly if you weren't pm'ing actively. That was rhe advice I gave those people. I would like to tank the scumbag bugs for telling me how om games worked, o I would've been equally lost. Apparently I figured it ou quickly enough to get shot N1 ;(
Also, how did scum know about the bomb on grush? I don't have my skype logs here, bu I don't remember givng Sandro that info. I gave it to zentor for sure (part of the reason I told marvel to be suspicious o zentor if I died).
you got shot because you were a hatter and I knew your bomb was going to a townie, not because your reads were particularly scary.
In fact I don't even know what your reads were lol
Bah, I hate you. Cant remember, did I actually tell you? I remember I was quite unsure and trying to get some advice, but thought I only told zentor who I actually put it on. I'm sure I never told you I had a bomb. I only told zentor (in a pretty strange exchange),sandro and i think gm in my copypaste of the chat with zentor. I took care not to tell people unless there qas a reason to...