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On April 16 2012 04:03 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 10:41 l10f wrote:Letters have nothing to do with alignment, so let's not discuss them for now. GMarshal gave a pretty good warning that he would lynch Froggy if he was elected, and I voted him because I ageed with his read. On April 15 2012 02:54 GMarshal wrote:
froggynoddy This guy has the strongest case against him tight now, he has a couple tell tale signs that point him out as newbie scum On April 15 2012 03:27 GMarshal wrote:
I like how my case on froggynoddy got buried in Zentor cases. MrZentor definietly posts like a scum but we shouldn't focus on him too much and lose sight of other possible scums. And definitely not worth using a vig on him just yet. He ran for captain position, and since the scum team probably put out at most one candidate for captaincy, and zentor didn't get much support at all, it's likely that he's town.Also MrZentor posts a lot and he gets people to post, so I'd rather try to make people who don't post much like Errandor and Senjai post what they think. Show nested quote +MrZentor definietly posts like a scum but we shouldn't focus on him too much and lose sight of other possible scums
Just look at this post by confirmed Town. Doesn't it look like a scum slip by l10f? Hmm?
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On April 17 2012 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ouch that's gotta sting Zentor - Kurumi nice catch.
Who are your partners Zentor?
Not mine. Layabout's.
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On April 17 2012 07:36 MrZentor wrote:
Of course mafia are going to leave hints on who their "scumbuddies" are. They want to do as much damage as possible, and breadcrumbing that a townsperson is their scumbuddy is a great way to cause havoc and perhaps a mislynch after their death.
-.-
This is probably the first time I've heard about this tactic.
The entire post by l10f is like he KNOWS You're scum and he KNOWS You shouldn't die. He flipped scum. He defended You. HARD. He had no thread presence. Like, maybe even NEGATIVE thread presence. Since when lurkers come back to defend semi-scummy person? By the way, vig Node.
Just kidding.
Maybe not.
NODE COME BACK.
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On April 17 2012 07:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
let's kill this guy
##vote mrzentor
also VE is a bastard for not having skype at work
I was debating to either call You out or Node.
Why so lurky?
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On April 17 2012 07:44 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 07:41 Kurumi wrote:On April 17 2012 07:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
let's kill this guy
##vote mrzentor
also VE is a bastard for not having skype at work I was debating to either call You out or Node. Why so lurky? wherebugsgo comes up to Kurumi, chest thrust outward. "Come join me in the video conferencing room, 08:00 station time, you ravishing Polish hottie." Kurumi winks at the agent, flashing her curves as she walks away, anticipating the fireworks that would commence that night.
Oh wow.
By the way.
On April 13 2012 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 09:50 MrZentor wrote:
This is my first time playing a PM game.
I'm kind of scared of communication that I can't see.(Besides the mafia QT) you can see the mafia QT?
I clicked Your filter and sup
MrZentor, sup?
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Its five not two. Anyway, the item name inconsistency might be solved by host trying to save the setup from being broken. Also guys. Lets go with the words of another confirmed town Ace. We should not lynch active players. I agree with Jackal that pm games tend to suck because people post a lot less in the thread and many vets say that town tends to rely too much on blues and confirming people. Remember , the flip confirms someone. I am against Jackal lynch fully. I am more than happy to lynch someone scummy lurking. As for Zentor my gut still says town but the things shown are at least weird . Although I have hard time reading the thread because I dont sleep much or well at all so I get tired fast and am really weak after school.
About Node : check his pregame posts. Check his in game posts. Did he just get lazy?
On phone so cant quote.
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On April 18 2012 06:06 risk.nuke wrote:
How is jackal active? He doesn't scumhunt, have basicly no scumreads and as far as I know he haven't talked to anyone exept for gm and sandroba in pm's.
1. Kurumi do you think we should kill all the lurking newbies who is likely town before we start scumhunting?
2. And how is jackals filter better then theirs?
It is Jackal damnit. I dont say Jackal has done excellent scumhunting so far because he had done little to none, but I dont see how killing a guy who is around benefits us when we have people like Node talking how good town they want to play this game and the game starts and he goes lurky as hell. Sinani has meta of being lurky, just like damn Kenpachi and we cant do much. There are people who certainly know how to play but are lurking. Wbg is not as active as usual too. The item thing looks indeed pretty strong , although unless sandroba himself does not posses such an item then he cant be sure who is lying(if someone is) I just think we are at a similar situation like with Ace. We might be pulling the trigger too quickly. Jackal, have You lied to sandroba about Your item?
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I need to sleep guys. See You later. We have too many lurkers, if something goes wrong we are going to fail at something like lylo.
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Bollocks . Sorry guys. I had my doubts . Guess You were right after all. By the way, I guess Talismania claimed the item I gave him.
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+ Show Spoiler +Original Message From Jackal58: I don't think GMarshall and Sandroba are both scum. One of them most likely and I'd have to lean on Gmarshall atm. Chaoser is an excellent scum player. He's actually the scariest one to me in the game if he rolled red. I'll wait a bit before I call him anything. Ace hasn't made any crazy claims yet so I'm leaning town on him. Coag I think is town but I haven't had a chance to talk to him in PM land yet. If he ignores me in IRC or PMs he's scum. Show nested quote +Original Message From Kurumi: That reminds me I totally ignored the presence of wbg in the thread. Well, I killed him in Arkham for threatening to kill me and being scum. Poor guy, being the scum dt vet. As for now my scum list would go like sandroba layabout gmarshal Town talismania - transparent, sounds experienced, made good calls acrofales - there's like no single scummy thing about him Weak town reads chaoser - his newest observations make me happy. mrzentor - bad/misunderstood town maybe Ace/Coag - they're too neutral though. maybe 3rds? and You because BFF <3 I just think it's freaking weird for people like Node, who wanted to make this game his one of best, prplhz and wbg to make no effort whatsoever. Of course, it might be the cursed PM game which I mostly hate because Town usually thinks that PM land is Thread v2 and everything's fine and they don't need to post their thoughts in the thread >_> Original Message From Jackal58: I thought I did? If not sorry. Ya I was out of town all of yesterday visiting old friends. I hate making reads on WBG because I always want to kill him anyways but he's scum. He's being too nice. Sounds stupid but he doesn't call others morons and idiots when he's scum. And he has a distinct lack of calling others morons and idiots in this game. Original Message From Kurumi:
Why haven't You responded to my PM at the start of the game?
Are You finally gathering some steam in this game?
To have a bigger picture.
Node is scum.
He wanted to make this game his comeback. If he is town, then it is not a comeback.
As scum either, but should we care then?
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On April 19 2012 11:35 MrZentor wrote:Kurumi spreads doubt about if Sand is town. Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 22:59 Kurumi wrote:On April 13 2012 22:52 risk.nuke wrote:On April 13 2012 22:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 13 2012 22:46 risk.nuke wrote:On April 13 2012 22:45 Kurumi wrote:On April 13 2012 22:37 Coagulation wrote:
I say we shoot page 13 out the airlock. Sandroba is scum and Ace is town, opinions? wanna lay down some reasons way or just gonna shout shit? I too can shout shit. Uh, what? I am clearly missing something there. You're defending sandroba? I'm asking you why you think the way you do? You do have reasons right. So do the pro-town thing and share them. I'm interested. I find it amusing that I asked Coag and You're the person to respond. 1st People want to lynch Ace for no reason. (some say it's a joke-gone-real) 2nd He actually says something related and helpful to the game. 3rd Sandroba has gone the same way like he did in his scum games. Say skype publicly and try to mess in the pm land. He wanted me to claim to him because he somehow knows a mechanics present in the game giving him possibility to break it.
Bullshit. His excuse for voting Jackal as captain is that he wants somebody against Sand. Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 04:49 Kurumi wrote:
As for now Jackal's my vote. I'll vote for whoever is against sandroba.
Talismania, You might need a shovel. He defends l10f. Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 22:27 Kurumi wrote:Remember this post? On April 14 2012 19:47 layabout wrote:On April 14 2012 19:26 froggynoddy wrote:On April 14 2012 09:13 layabout wrote:Having spent a rare day away from the computer due to frequent and annoying _____* I have had barely any time to read the thread. after a quick skim and a PM with sandro Part of me wants to vote GM for being a gentleman, and i would like to know if he intends to explain what he plans to do, and why he should be mayor. Will he try to enforce rules of proper conduct for instance? Will he lynch Kurumi who clearly does not care about catching scum? The rest of me wants to vote for sandro. If he really is committing all of this time to PM with so many players it should be very difficult for him to do so as scum. So in a sense voting for him is less risky because their is a reduced chance that he could remain alive and looking town if he is scum. He also has better than average early reads and is thus a good candidate by default. Is anybody else wondering why a town WBG would do this? + Show Spoiler [*] +I am not sure what the term is but i do know that all the lights dim and my PC turns itself off I'm really sorry if I'm being obtuse but can you explain to me the logic in your town read here? Which town read? Also for somebody that seems to value transparency l10f has shared very little. That's finger pointing. You've done this twice. To me and l10f. There's no contradiction in my post. Nobody asked You why You were away. Nobody cared. Then, why the hell would You post that You were busy? My early-game posts are early-game posts. Don't expect them to be too good. That goes for pretty much everybody. You can't have a fully fleshed out case 10 hours into the game, come on. The days are 48h for a reason (besides timezones) You posted a post full of fluff and I called You out on it. You also tried to lower opinion of GMarsh and make look sandroba better, my question is: WHY? You weren't so "confident" about sandroba then. You're lying. You don't even know what You've thought some time ago, but that's cool. When I am scum I have the same problems. Then I just usually lurk or just post a lot without attacking anybody, because it's easy! You support some shady D1 all-claim-to-one-guy plan with no reasoning. You just think sandroba is Town because he cares. I WOULD CARE TOO IF PEOPLE STARTED CLAIMING TO ME DAY ONE LOL Ace's looking Town because he's making all the good observations so far. Sandroba is scum because no town would try to get all the claims day 1 for no reason for the sake of "confirming them by a broken mechanic" Also, did You know I am Obama himself? Trust me, that's as true as Sandroba's intentions! He doesn't want responsibility for the Zentor bandwagon, because he knows it will end in a mislynched townie. Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 07:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 17 2012 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ouch that's gotta sting Zentor - Kurumi nice catch.
Who are your partners Zentor? Not mine. Layabout's. He defends Jackal hard. Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 05:59 Kurumi wrote:
Its five not two. Anyway, the item name inconsistency might be solved by host trying to save the setup from being broken. Also guys. Lets go with the words of another confirmed town Ace. We should not lynch active players. I agree with Jackal that pm games tend to suck because people post a lot less in the thread and many vets say that town tends to rely too much on blues and confirming people. Remember , the flip confirms someone. I am against Jackal lynch fully. I am more than happy to lynch someone scummy lurking. As for Zentor my gut still says town but the things shown are at least weird . Although I have hard time reading the thread because I dont sleep much or well at all so I get tired fast and am really weak after school.
About Node : check his pregame posts. Check his in game posts. Did he just get lazy?
On phone so cant quote. Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 06:22 Kurumi wrote:On April 18 2012 06:06 risk.nuke wrote:
How is jackal active? He doesn't scumhunt, have basicly no scumreads and as far as I know he haven't talked to anyone exept for gm and sandroba in pm's.
1. Kurumi do you think we should kill all the lurking newbies who is likely town before we start scumhunting?
2. And how is jackals filter better then theirs? It is Jackal damnit. I dont say Jackal has done excellent scumhunting so far because he had done little to none, but I dont see how killing a guy who is around benefits us when we have people like Node talking how good town they want to play this game and the game starts and he goes lurky as hell. Sinani has meta of being lurky, just like damn Kenpachi and we cant do much. There are people who certainly know how to play but are lurking. Wbg is not as active as usual too. The item thing looks indeed pretty strong , although unless sandroba himself does not posses such an item then he cant be sure who is lying(if someone is) I just think we are at a similar situation like with Ace. We might be pulling the trigger too quickly. Jackal, have You lied to sandroba about Your item? Kurumi votes for Jackal as Captain first. The bandwagon doesn't pick up, so he wastes his vote for Talismania. He also votes for me as a lynch and never switches to the alien overlord. In summary, he defends two people we know are scum, l10f and Jackal; attacks somebody who we know to be pro town, sandroba, and tries to start a bandwagon lynch against me without taking responsibility!! I'm wondering why nobody has seen this yet. Just sayin'.
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On April 19 2012 11:35 MrZentor wrote:Kurumi spreads doubt about if Sand is town. Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 22:59 Kurumi wrote:On April 13 2012 22:52 risk.nuke wrote:On April 13 2012 22:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 13 2012 22:46 risk.nuke wrote:On April 13 2012 22:45 Kurumi wrote:On April 13 2012 22:37 Coagulation wrote:
I say we shoot page 13 out the airlock. Sandroba is scum and Ace is town, opinions? wanna lay down some reasons way or just gonna shout shit? I too can shout shit. Uh, what? I am clearly missing something there. You're defending sandroba? I'm asking you why you think the way you do? You do have reasons right. So do the pro-town thing and share them. I'm interested. I find it amusing that I asked Coag and You're the person to respond. 1st People want to lynch Ace for no reason. (some say it's a joke-gone-real) 2nd He actually says something related and helpful to the game. 3rd Sandroba has gone the same way like he did in his scum games. Say skype publicly and try to mess in the pm land. He wanted me to claim to him because he somehow knows a mechanics present in the game giving him possibility to break it.
Bullshit. His excuse for voting Jackal as captain is that he wants somebody against Sand. Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 04:49 Kurumi wrote:
As for now Jackal's my vote. I'll vote for whoever is against sandroba.
Talismania, You might need a shovel. He defends l10f. Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 22:27 Kurumi wrote:Remember this post? On April 14 2012 19:47 layabout wrote:On April 14 2012 19:26 froggynoddy wrote:On April 14 2012 09:13 layabout wrote:Having spent a rare day away from the computer due to frequent and annoying _____* I have had barely any time to read the thread. after a quick skim and a PM with sandro Part of me wants to vote GM for being a gentleman, and i would like to know if he intends to explain what he plans to do, and why he should be mayor. Will he try to enforce rules of proper conduct for instance? Will he lynch Kurumi who clearly does not care about catching scum? The rest of me wants to vote for sandro. If he really is committing all of this time to PM with so many players it should be very difficult for him to do so as scum. So in a sense voting for him is less risky because their is a reduced chance that he could remain alive and looking town if he is scum. He also has better than average early reads and is thus a good candidate by default. Is anybody else wondering why a town WBG would do this? + Show Spoiler [*] +I am not sure what the term is but i do know that all the lights dim and my PC turns itself off I'm really sorry if I'm being obtuse but can you explain to me the logic in your town read here? Which town read? Also for somebody that seems to value transparency l10f has shared very little. That's finger pointing. You've done this twice. To me and l10f. There's no contradiction in my post. Nobody asked You why You were away. Nobody cared. Then, why the hell would You post that You were busy? My early-game posts are early-game posts. Don't expect them to be too good. That goes for pretty much everybody. You can't have a fully fleshed out case 10 hours into the game, come on. The days are 48h for a reason (besides timezones) You posted a post full of fluff and I called You out on it. You also tried to lower opinion of GMarsh and make look sandroba better, my question is: WHY? You weren't so "confident" about sandroba then. You're lying. You don't even know what You've thought some time ago, but that's cool. When I am scum I have the same problems. Then I just usually lurk or just post a lot without attacking anybody, because it's easy! You support some shady D1 all-claim-to-one-guy plan with no reasoning. You just think sandroba is Town because he cares. I WOULD CARE TOO IF PEOPLE STARTED CLAIMING TO ME DAY ONE LOL Ace's looking Town because he's making all the good observations so far. Sandroba is scum because no town would try to get all the claims day 1 for no reason for the sake of "confirming them by a broken mechanic" Also, did You know I am Obama himself? Trust me, that's as true as Sandroba's intentions! He doesn't want responsibility for the Zentor bandwagon, because he knows it will end in a mislynched townie. Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 07:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 17 2012 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ouch that's gotta sting Zentor - Kurumi nice catch.
Who are your partners Zentor? Not mine. Layabout's. He defends Jackal hard. Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 05:59 Kurumi wrote:
Its five not two. Anyway, the item name inconsistency might be solved by host trying to save the setup from being broken. Also guys. Lets go with the words of another confirmed town Ace. We should not lynch active players. I agree with Jackal that pm games tend to suck because people post a lot less in the thread and many vets say that town tends to rely too much on blues and confirming people. Remember , the flip confirms someone. I am against Jackal lynch fully. I am more than happy to lynch someone scummy lurking. As for Zentor my gut still says town but the things shown are at least weird . Although I have hard time reading the thread because I dont sleep much or well at all so I get tired fast and am really weak after school.
About Node : check his pregame posts. Check his in game posts. Did he just get lazy?
On phone so cant quote. Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 06:22 Kurumi wrote:On April 18 2012 06:06 risk.nuke wrote:
How is jackal active? He doesn't scumhunt, have basicly no scumreads and as far as I know he haven't talked to anyone exept for gm and sandroba in pm's.
1. Kurumi do you think we should kill all the lurking newbies who is likely town before we start scumhunting?
2. And how is jackals filter better then theirs? It is Jackal damnit. I dont say Jackal has done excellent scumhunting so far because he had done little to none, but I dont see how killing a guy who is around benefits us when we have people like Node talking how good town they want to play this game and the game starts and he goes lurky as hell. Sinani has meta of being lurky, just like damn Kenpachi and we cant do much. There are people who certainly know how to play but are lurking. Wbg is not as active as usual too. The item thing looks indeed pretty strong , although unless sandroba himself does not posses such an item then he cant be sure who is lying(if someone is) I just think we are at a similar situation like with Ace. We might be pulling the trigger too quickly. Jackal, have You lied to sandroba about Your item? Kurumi votes for Jackal as Captain first. The bandwagon doesn't pick up, so he wastes his vote for Talismania. He also votes for me as a lynch and never switches to the alien overlord. In summary, he defends two people we know are scum, l10f and Jackal; attacks somebody who we know to be pro town, sandroba, and tries to start a bandwagon lynch against me without taking responsibility!! I'm wondering why nobody has seen this yet. Just sayin'.
It sucks that I need to respond to that on my phone but I wont be able to use my pc for like ten hours so the faster I can respond to this the better it is for us.
Of course I would spread doubt about sandroba day one , check out my agenda and it is consistent until d2, when I claim to him. As a host myself I found it unlikely that there would be an easy way to find scum thanks to items. Breaking the game is unusual. Besides, I am against claiming d1 unless it is some type of plan. I had no idea what sandroba had planned so I was really against it.
I voted Jackal because he is pretty good town player, tends to die early, tends to hold blue roles but is a null read for at least a cycle. As I disliked the plan and gmarshal was not against it I was left with no choice but to vote someone different. Remember, You were a candidate too, but I was leaning scum on You then.
The first 'defense' where I supposedly defended l10f was not one. I just showed that layabout pointed fingers at two players. That is not a defense.
As for Jackal it was the guilt for Ace's death and me still having doubts about the setup. There is only that .
As for me not taking responsibility for Your lynch... Check my post again. What it basically says is "dont give me credit for something I havent done. It was layabouts job."
By the way the deadline is 3am in Europe so I miss a bit of things. A lot when some crazy sw
itching happens. I was considering voting Jackal outright but it did not clear up for me. As more info entered the thread I was more confident that people are right. So I decided that I will sleep for now and check it again. Forgot that the day would end that night. Chaoser whats the thing with Node lying?
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I'm back.
I was lurking the thread during school to see if someone would need me but nothing happened.
Chaoser, what do You know about Node?
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On April 20 2012 00:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, so DRAZERK replaces sandro, not Dirkzor, is this correct?
Kurumi, what do you think about chaoser and wherebugsgo?
Chaoser town
wherebugsgo
lurking which he has never done before and that's the thing which rubs me the wrong way. though I had like little contact with anyone in pms so I only base on the thread.
Also, correct.
If Node shot Coag I think we should leave him for now then and get wrong voting lurkers ejected (I know my votes were not the best... but I explained them already)
So let me get a list of people being on wrong lists
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+ Show Spoiler [D1] +On April 15 2012 05:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
GMarshal -11-
sandroba
Maverick32x
strongandbig
marvellosity
Coagulation
Erandorr
RayzorFlash
grush57
EchelonTee
sinani206
l10f
sandroba -9-
chaoser
GMarshal
Snarfs
Acrofales
prplhz
risk.nuke
wherebugsgo
talismania
layabout
michaelthe
Coagulation -1-
Jackal58
talismania -1-
Kurumi
Froggynoddy -1-
grush57
Ace -4-
VayeshMoru
wherebugsgo
MrZentor
Sinensis
wherebugsgo -1-
Ace
+ Show Spoiler [D2] +
MrZentor -3-
Kurumi
Snarfs
prplhz
prplhz -2-
EchelonTee
Coagulation
EchelonTee -1-
sinani206
Node -1-
VayeshMoru
Coagulation -1-
Maverick32x
sandroba -1-
michaelthe
Jackal58 -11-
sandroba
risk.nuke
VisceraEyes
MrZentor
talismania
chaoser
Errandor
RayzorFlash
wherebugsgo
strongandbig
marvellosity
Node
EchelonTee
Sinani206
marvellosity - this guy has never attacked anyone, but was posting in the thread... Those up have weird voting patterns too.
Please check if the D2 vote thing is correct.
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I guess Viscera should be green
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I take whatever lynch. Sinani/ET or S&B?
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That means we're left with some new players I'd assume? Anyway, amazing shot.
The thing is, what do we do know? Every scum so far played..
THEY DID NOT PLAY OMG
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On April 21 2012 13:50 talismania wrote:
Well gg.
Nice to win but I'd like to play a regular game next to see what that is like. I've only ever played pm and im games and I was surprised there was so little Convo sharing and faking etc.
Shout out to Kurumi for hooking me up w the exoskeleton. It felt good to be a vet medic.
Thanks for all the best newbie shout outs but I feel they're a tad undeserved since I've played like 20 games before on another site :-)
Hope to see you all in future games!
Glad You liked it.
Day one was fine. The rest of the game was boring, I was not in any of the circles so I basically followed the empty thread. No PM games for me for a while. But the items were cool. 
Also.sorry to layabout . Lets bury the hatchet.
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Doctor Helvetica if You get depressed again I ask going to rip Your balls off. Being host is hard. Having own opinion is legal, so stop tucking arguing. I should be shot together with Ace if it was really about not cooperating. I was against it till d2.
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