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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 12 2012 21:53 GMT
#521
Also CC says he has to kill a target but his win con has no targets.

Further proof he is the SK
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 12 2012 22:10 GMT
#522
G__G


go team!
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
April 12 2012 22:38 GMT
#523
Well, I can't see Drazerk as lying at this point. The "kill someone" wincons are never alone, acording to the OP, so he has other wincons which he can only hope to further if he's alive. Thus he would never lie in such a manner, knowing we're gonna lynch him tomorrow if he's lying.

##vote Cyber_Cheese

For now, I'm mostly basing my vote on Drazerk, but Macheji, VE and Blue had cases on C_C and I'll try to expand on that later.
Bora Pain minha porra!
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 12 2012 22:52 GMT
#524
C_C dies today. If he is anything other than what Drazerk claims Drazerk dies tomorrow.
Life can only kill you once.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 12 2012 22:59 GMT
#525
On April 13 2012 07:52 Jackal58 wrote:
C_C dies today. If he is anything other than what Drazerk claims Drazerk dies tomorrow.


I typed up a huge post and lost it that said basically this. Previewed, deleted.

##Vote: Cyber_Cheese
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
April 12 2012 23:02 GMT
#526
Drazerk is telling the truth. My wincon is to survive.

On April 11 2012 21:40 layabout wrote:
Probably survivor
Cyber Cheese+ Show Spoiler +
On April 10 2012 09:11 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Thought: Everyone posts their wincon. Agree/Disagree?

explanation coming when i regain PC acess

I was surprised someone worked it out on day 1.

On April 13 2012 07:38 Sbrubbles wrote:
Well, I can't see Drazerk as lying at this point. The "kill someone" wincons are never alone, acording to the OP, so he has other wincons which he can only hope to further if he's alive. Thus he would never lie in such a manner, knowing we're gonna lynch him tomorrow if he's lying.

##vote Cyber_Cheese

For now, I'm mostly basing my vote on Drazerk, but Macheji, VE and Blue had cases on C_C and I'll try to expand on that later.

OK, so you guys know my wincon now.
Ask yourselves: Are you happy with having the lynch decided at the start of day 2? Furthermore, is Johnnywup (Claimed survivor) a worse lynch than me?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
April 12 2012 23:04 GMT
#527
On April 13 2012 06:53 Drazerk wrote:
Also CC says he has to kill a target but his win con has no targets.

Further proof he is the SK

I don't seem to remember claiming that. Can you link it?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 12 2012 23:06 GMT
#528
On April 11 2012 08:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
At this point in time, I'm willing to lynch these four people

1) + Show Spoiler [strongandbig] +
On April 10 2012 14:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Hey, strongandbig, why are you obsessed with the sleeper cell agents?
Furthermore, why would you try using code, when you have the anonymous message at your disposal?

On April 11 2012 07:54 layabout wrote:
I think Strongandbig is a third party.

His posting History this game is the following:
I want to /in
/in
I am going for "bastard meta"
/confirm
Is Darzek claiming broken shell? oh btw i haven't seen lost
37 "!" you a sleeper cell?
Contrived twitpic nonsense
"Im Tovn" dont trust ppl
I looked at the lsot wiki, maybe everyone in town is a survivor?
I think BM is a smurf and he is lurking, so i am going to pressure him, aren't i useful


2) + Show Spoiler [Macheji] +
On April 11 2012 08:08 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 01:17 Macheji wrote:
@ Bluelightz

@ layabout Empty post, funny tho , atleast you aren't proposing your third lynch target.
. Quoted off me, check my filter. I had this on my mind since yesterday. I just made it more clearer this time. The reason for witch i can't go 100% in with this is because, in my mind, after 1 day of talking i just can't gather enough "evidence" on a person to be 100% sure of something. There are just not enough facts tbh, and this is the only reason i said that i still keep an open mind. But i back my claim up...
In my mind, layabout is the person i suspect most.... closely to the tought that there aren't any bad guys, only townies separated into different interest groups ( check my post from before ).
If there is nothing to change my mind until the day of the lynch, i will vote for layabout.

This seems to have a large focus on the defensive... Facts? Evidence? 100% sure? On day 1?

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 05:40 Macheji wrote:
Oh and before bluelightz starts accusing me of sheeping or whatever it's called again. I know i used Drazerk's point. I added some details so other people don't have to start checking all the forums for the times. I also said it to show you guys what determined me to cast my vote and to reply to layabout's
Where is the lie?


More pre-emptive defence. Why would a townie be so scared of being called out?

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 05:45 Macheji wrote:
We just showed you tbh. It's all Occam's razor here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor ). And you being innocent has way more assumptions than you beeing guilty in my eyes .


Given the odds of being scum tend to range from 20-25%, this use of probabiliy seems suss. Not to mention the use of probablility at all, it seems to just be more excusing himself.

His filter:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326599&user=234970

##Vote: Macheji


3) VE, for getting me killed day 1 last game, and not being nearly as active as in any other game I've seen him.

4) My target.

if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
April 12 2012 23:31 GMT
#529
On April 13 2012 08:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 08:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
At this point in time, I'm willing to lynch these four people

1) + Show Spoiler [strongandbig] +
On April 10 2012 14:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Hey, strongandbig, why are you obsessed with the sleeper cell agents?
Furthermore, why would you try using code, when you have the anonymous message at your disposal?

On April 11 2012 07:54 layabout wrote:
I think Strongandbig is a third party.

His posting History this game is the following:
I want to /in
/in
I am going for "bastard meta"
/confirm
Is Darzek claiming broken shell? oh btw i haven't seen lost
37 "!" you a sleeper cell?
Contrived twitpic nonsense
"Im Tovn" dont trust ppl
I looked at the lsot wiki, maybe everyone in town is a survivor?
I think BM is a smurf and he is lurking, so i am going to pressure him, aren't i useful


2) + Show Spoiler [Macheji] +
On April 11 2012 08:08 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 01:17 Macheji wrote:
@ Bluelightz

@ layabout Empty post, funny tho , atleast you aren't proposing your third lynch target.
. Quoted off me, check my filter. I had this on my mind since yesterday. I just made it more clearer this time. The reason for witch i can't go 100% in with this is because, in my mind, after 1 day of talking i just can't gather enough "evidence" on a person to be 100% sure of something. There are just not enough facts tbh, and this is the only reason i said that i still keep an open mind. But i back my claim up...
In my mind, layabout is the person i suspect most.... closely to the tought that there aren't any bad guys, only townies separated into different interest groups ( check my post from before ).
If there is nothing to change my mind until the day of the lynch, i will vote for layabout.

This seems to have a large focus on the defensive... Facts? Evidence? 100% sure? On day 1?

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 05:40 Macheji wrote:
Oh and before bluelightz starts accusing me of sheeping or whatever it's called again. I know i used Drazerk's point. I added some details so other people don't have to start checking all the forums for the times. I also said it to show you guys what determined me to cast my vote and to reply to layabout's
Where is the lie?


More pre-emptive defence. Why would a townie be so scared of being called out?

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 05:45 Macheji wrote:
We just showed you tbh. It's all Occam's razor here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor ). And you being innocent has way more assumptions than you beeing guilty in my eyes .


Given the odds of being scum tend to range from 20-25%, this use of probabiliy seems suss. Not to mention the use of probablility at all, it seems to just be more excusing himself.

His filter:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326599&user=234970

##Vote: Macheji


3) VE, for getting me killed day 1 last game, and not being nearly as active as in any other game I've seen him.

4) My target.


I hadn't say I had to kill the target, it's just a personal goal.
I was given a fake win-con, to protect Macheji/VE/Sbrubbles/Bagmanager, and to kill Greymist.
I figured I'd follow through on the kill for the shits and giggles. I suppose I can't now...



(How to use linebreak tags?)



On April 10 2012 18:16 phagga wrote:
There is no wincondition that Mafia wins if they outnumber town. The way it is stated, that list is final.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 06 2012 18:07 Forumite wrote:

- Winconditions:

Each player has one or more of the following winconditions. Wincondition (4) is always combined with at least one other wincondition.

(1) You win if there are no Scum or SKs alive at the end of the game.
(2) You win if at least one of the players named in your role-PM are alive until the end of the game.
(3) You win if you are alive at the end of the game.
(4) You do not win if a player named in your role-PM is alive at the end of the game.

If at any time there is no way you can win, then you become a broken shell of a man and lose all your abilities, any remaining secret messages and your vote, although you may still post in the game if you want to. You will also no longer receive secret messages sent to you. You are still alive until lynched or nightkilled, and still count as a living player in every other regard.

The same thing happens to anyone who goes inactive, cheats, fail to vote or otherwise qualify for modkilling (except they are not allowed to post).



So I guess Mafia has the Wincondition that at the End of the Game (which is still to be announced) some people either need to be alive or dead.
On April 10 2012 18:36 Hassybaby wrote:
Makes me think that there are only a bunch of SKs and assassin survivors, and town wins when they're dead. Maybe that means there isn't a Mafia team.

Also, stop trying to apply logic to Drazerk. That's like asking Kenpachi to make a credible case on someone.

Now, on it's own it's a decent assumption, but it's his second best post to date, (after this). The fact he's found need to specifically reply to that mechanic suggests to me he's a sk. Still not so bad.
On April 13 2012 06:03 Hassybaby wrote:
Ok, that convinces me that there is no Mafia team in this game.

two survivors and two town have flipped. That still leaves 9 people. Some bias appears to be at work.

On April 10 2012 09:11 Hassybaby wrote:
I vote C_C for trying to get is to mass claim
On April 11 2012 08:05 Hassybaby wrote:
Wait, are we seriously mass claiming?
On April 11 2012 08:13 Hassybaby wrote:
As long as its not a mass claim, I'm cool with it. We could make an interesting chart to link people up.


Objecting to the idea of claiming, but all too willing to create 'content' by getting other people to claim.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
April 12 2012 23:34 GMT
#530
EBWOP, I must have deleted a paragraph or two in there. The above is about being aware of people who contribute without contributing. Given that I had a fake win-con, we know that getting people to claim win-cons is a waste of time. People who seem obsessed with win-cons (Hassybaby), should be heavily scrutinized.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
April 12 2012 23:39 GMT
#531
I'm going to be away for a while, so some parting words.

Don't be sheep lads.
I'm not going to say I'm a bad lynch. At some point, any good town should strongly consider it. Don't let that be an excuse to waste day 2 with my lynch pre-determined creating no discussion. Furthermore, if multiple people are in a similar situation, start with the one that is the least helpful.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
April 12 2012 23:53 GMT
#532
Difference between a mass-claim and discussion wincons C_C. I object to everyone giving out their roles.
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
April 12 2012 23:57 GMT
#533
Plus the flips were on people who didn't look that town. I don't think Mafia would have targeted them over other targets, so it makes more sense that they're town vigi hits.
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 13 2012 00:23 GMT
#534
On April 13 2012 08:57 Hassybaby wrote:
Plus the flips were on people who didn't look that town. I don't think Mafia would have targeted them over other targets, so it makes more sense that they're town vigi hits.

There is no scum. If there was I'd be dead.
Life can only kill you once.
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 13 2012 00:43 GMT
#535
On April 13 2012 08:02 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
... is Johnnywup (Claimed survivor) a worse lynch than me?

Between this:
On April 13 2012 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
He only wins with himself
which you haven't refuted, and this:
On April 13 2012 06:38 johnnywup wrote:

My wincon, as a survivor, includes other people so i'm gonna call bullshit
Seems to suggest that the survivors need to work together somehow. But you don't really seem in on that, which makes you out more to be SK than survivor.

Also, I thought we were going to get game-end conditions today?
:3
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 13 2012 00:49 GMT
#536
Ah, just got home.... I got killed... with a fork... and my post on C_C again ignored... Oh well, it's been fun while it lasted. BTW i got bodyguard, that felt like the worst role ever...
Have fun for the rest of the game. Cya guys in another game.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 13 2012 01:13 GMT
#537
Game ends when 3 people are left alive.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
April 13 2012 01:35 GMT
#538
On April 13 2012 08:02 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Drazerk is telling the truth. My wincon is to survive.

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 21:40 layabout wrote:
Probably survivor
Cyber Cheese+ Show Spoiler +
On April 10 2012 09:11 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Thought: Everyone posts their wincon. Agree/Disagree?

explanation coming when i regain PC acess

I was surprised someone worked it out on day 1.

Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 07:38 Sbrubbles wrote:
Well, I can't see Drazerk as lying at this point. The "kill someone" wincons are never alone, acording to the OP, so he has other wincons which he can only hope to further if he's alive. Thus he would never lie in such a manner, knowing we're gonna lynch him tomorrow if he's lying.

##vote Cyber_Cheese

For now, I'm mostly basing my vote on Drazerk, but Macheji, VE and Blue had cases on C_C and I'll try to expand on that later.

OK, so you guys know my wincon now.
Ask yourselves: Are you happy with having the lynch decided at the start of day 2? Furthermore, is Johnnywup (Claimed survivor) a worse lynch than me?


well you were just "found out" about being a survivor, and someone else claimed it.

yea im happy
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 13 2012 02:01 GMT
#539
On April 13 2012 06:40 Drazerk wrote:
Hell you can kill me if you want prove I am a DT and kill him

nono, im just playing devils advocate. i don't think he's survivor but it's one reason to call BS.

##vote Cyber_Cheese
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
April 13 2012 04:01 GMT
#540
On April 13 2012 09:43 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 08:02 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
... is Johnnywup (Claimed survivor) a worse lynch than me?

Between this:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
He only wins with himself
which you haven't refuted, and this:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 06:38 johnnywup wrote:

My wincon, as a survivor, includes other people so i'm gonna call bullshit
Seems to suggest that the survivors need to work together somehow. But you don't really seem in on that, which makes you out more to be SK than survivor.

Also, I thought we were going to get game-end conditions today?

"You win if You survive until the end of the game."
Judging by the rest of my role pm, survivors don't have to work together at all.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
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