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Ill try and add to Gossemerrs case against BlueyD. Lets start from the beginning.
BlueyD starts off with linking his filter from last game where he is a townie, Why is he so quick to defend himself, what is he so worried about? If he is a townie he should not be worried about defending himself right from the start his actions will reveal that he is a townie, he should be more focused on finding scum but instead he quickly takes charge to proclaim his innocence.
After making a joke in his first post he claims that he is "playing around before the game really picks up and I have to be more serious." If he is just playing around before the game picks up, why does he feel the need to defend himself so early and proclaim his innocence? Perhaps it is because he is scum.
BlueyD is super focused on the meta, he explains meta for me in his next post when I ask about the relevance of the filter.
On April 03 2012 05:33 BlueyD wrote:
Here's the idea: It's sometimes possible to get hints on someone's role (green, red, blue) based on comparisons between the player's behavior in the current game and the player's behavior in previous games he has played.
So he wants us to focus on the meta and links us his previous game where he is a townie, convenient isn't it? If we focus on the meta and his meta is almost the same as last game than obviously he is innocent. He also make this joke
On April 03 2012 03:52 BlueyD wrote:
By the way, my name is BlueyD, and I've been a mafiaholic for... How many years already?
Nahh, this is my second game ever.
Whats the point of this joke? I think hes trying to downplay his experience by saying that its only his second game, surely he cant have such an elaborate rogue if its only his second game. He later explains the reason for his jokes.
On April 06 2012 00:14 BlueyD wrote:
I'll tell you, there's two reasons I'm making jokes. First... it's fun! Second... I wanted to see who jumped on them to try to make a case look better than it is.
Interesting that someone so focused on having fun and not being serious is so quick to defend himself at the start of the game and even giving us a filter from last game, what a nice guy. Another reason I think that he makes all these jokes is to seem innocent, Someone whos scum would never joke about being scum, right?
You can especially see this in
On April 04 2012 23:00 BlueyD wrote:
Give us something to work with, Lyter, you can still save your own life!
##Vote: Lyter
Cmon hes being so obviously overdramatic trying to make you think like he actually cares weather lyter gets lynched or not, he doesnt because he is scum.
On April 04 2012 04:44 BlueyD wrote:
This is why people threaten to lynch on lurking at the start of a game, even when they'd rather lynch on info: this is how we get information to work with in the first place. Another way is to threaten to lynch on meta, but good luck doing that in a newbie game.
So BlueyD wants us to focus on meta but then he says that its hard to do that in a newbie game? Is he just trying to waste our time? After this he attacks gross pretty aggressively based on his meta change. He seems to contradict himself a bit here because he wants to lynch people based on a meta change but than says its really hard to do in a newbie game. Whats the point of trying to lynch someone based on meta than other than to waste time and spread misinformation?
Lastly I want to talk about
On April 06 2012 04:54 BlueyD wrote:
A reminder to others that Gossemerr is not my only suspicion, and the town will quickly scope in on you if you're trying to hide or posting only fluff. Goss has an advantage over all of you guys: He's active. I'll try to take a look at our less active players tonight.
After he defends himself from gross he uses scare tactics to try to scare people into posting stuff. Maybe because grossemere is not a good target anymore since he defended his meta change. He know needs someone else to accuse in order to get the suspicion off himself.
Overall BlueyD seems pretty scummy at the moment.
##FoS: BlueyD
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On April 06 2012 05:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also, as it is plurality lynch, I dont see why you would think we were just voting to get him to talk, as we have to lynch someone and he hadnt posted anything notable, and still hadnt when he died.
It was pretty obvious from Grossomeres post that it was just a pressure vote to get him to talk.
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On April 06 2012 06:08 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 09:16 Gossemerr wrote:Alright I think seviro does not know the game started or something considering no posts. Lyter on the other had has not said much of anything. Response to me asking why he asked who is scum: On April 03 2012 17:17 Lyter wrote:
Well I was doing this called sleeping :D but then nothing else. Lyter why do you think BlueyD is playing so aggressive right now? ##Vote: LyterGotta start somewhere. not so much, nowhere does he say its for pressure, and is voting because he hasnt said anything, instead of voting to get him to say more Also i dont see where he could go from here because you shouldnt flop so easily and we do have to lynch someone, as gossemerr says with "Gotta start somewhere".
Gossemerr himself later responds and tells us that he thought it was pretty obvious that it was a pressure vote, I found it pretty obvious as well. There is not much pressure in a pressure vote if only 1-2 people vote, hence why i jumped on the bandwagon. The purpose of the wagon was not to get vote, the purpose was to pressure lyter.
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In response to Novas case against me. So your main points is that i provide no content and that I use wifom. You act like wifom is useless when in reality it can be useful at times. I also aperantly have too much time on my hands because I read the rules, I thought everyone was supposed to read the rules? This is my first mafia game so that is the reason for most of my one liners as there was no content I had nothing to talk about. As we get more content my posts are becoming longer than one line. Sorry for being new and not knowing exactly how this game works.
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There wasnt really any suspicion on him at that moment, why would he be trying to deflect suspicion from him?
There wasnt really any suspicion on him at that momemnt? Grossomere just made two big posts FoSing him just before.
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On April 06 2012 06:34 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 06:14 era wrote:On April 06 2012 06:08 Nova_Terra wrote:On April 04 2012 09:16 Gossemerr wrote:Alright I think seviro does not know the game started or something considering no posts. Lyter on the other had has not said much of anything. Response to me asking why he asked who is scum: On April 03 2012 17:17 Lyter wrote:
Well I was doing this called sleeping :D but then nothing else. Lyter why do you think BlueyD is playing so aggressive right now? ##Vote: LyterGotta start somewhere. not so much, nowhere does he say its for pressure, and is voting because he hasnt said anything, instead of voting to get him to say more Also i dont see where he could go from here because you shouldnt flop so easily and we do have to lynch someone, as gossemerr says with "Gotta start somewhere". Gossemerr himself later responds and tells us that he thought it was pretty obvious that it was a pressure vote, I found it pretty obvious as well. There is not much pressure in a pressure vote if only 1-2 people vote, hence why i jumped on the bandwagon. The purpose of the wagon was not to get vote, the purpose was to pressure lyter. But you dont flop off a pressure vote to someone ( who hadnt made a scum slip or big tell) who has posted more content than the person pressured....
The amount of content posted by Goss and Lyter was almost the same, Just because Goss had more fluff doesnt mean that He had more content. We were pressuring lyter into talking, he talked, I switched my vote since i never though lyter was scum in the first place but getting more information out there is always a good thing. Goss didnt even bother defending himself so I kept my vote on him.
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On April 06 2012 06:40 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 06:23 era wrote:
In response to Novas case against me. So your main points is that i provide no content and that I use wifom. You act like wifom is useless when in reality it can be useful at times. I also aperantly have too much time on my hands because I read the rules, I thought everyone was supposed to read the rules? This is my first mafia game so that is the reason for most of my one liners as there was no content I had nothing to talk about. As we get more content my posts are becoming longer than one line. Sorry for being new and not knowing exactly how this game works. WIFOM is generally useless as it clogs the thread, does not give any major insights either way, provokes meaningless discussion, and confuses people. those are scummy things. My point is that if you have time to read the rules and post clarifying them for other people you have time to produce your own content. And then, inevitably, the Im New card. Even though your posts have become longer after we got content (which isnt content from you, by the way) they dont have much in them, although i do at least appreciate that you are at least doing something by adding to a case. And dont say that you didnt know how it works as an excuse. you say that previous games have no relevance, how would you know if you didnt at least go through them before, etc? read a past mafia game if you dont know how it works.
Its hard to produce content when you have never played a game before, most of the content that you and blueyD first produced is stuff that you learned from last games. You first post was just a couple of big paragraph about what happend to you last game and what you learned plus giving people tips for the current tips. Followed by some 1 liners and just stating who is posting and who is not.
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EBWOP: giving people tips for the current game.
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Also i dont consider this to be much of content
On April 03 2012 14:50 Gossemerr wrote:
Well the crickets certainly are loud...
Lyter you started this game off where are you now? Interesting that you ask who are the scummies. Maybe you know already?
As for the the others whom have not posted yet, maybe they do not know the game started?
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On April 06 2012 06:54 Nova_Terra wrote:
I know that, but you can easily go through a couple pages from a previous game to get an idea.
And, i posted and continue to post my thoughts pretty much as soon as i have them. i post my opinions and thoughts on certain people which arent brought from the game before or anything like that. I think theres plenty of content in my posting so far.
Are you trying to turn this on me?
Not trying to turn this on you, but what im saying is theres no point for me to post stuff like this and this and this person are lurkers because they havent posted if someone else already has.
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Interesting.. how did they know that imallinson was a blue? I need to go back and look through the filters and see if he made a blueslip somewhere. Or did they just get lucky? Also he accused lazin before he died, does this mean anything?
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I dont see anything in imallinsons filter besides him being worried about lynching a quite blue and accusing lazin for wanting a blue outing. I am guessing that mafia just got lucky since this doesn't seem like enough to think that he was a blue. Whats their motive for killing iamallinson then?, since I dont think they coudve known that he was a blue. Id like to hear from some other people since it seems like its just the same people talking. Going to dinner be back later
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On April 06 2012 14:49 BlueyD wrote:
About the night hit: They picked the guy who stood back but offered a bit of content here and there, and said the most stuff about blues and roleclaiming… That fits the blue profile very well, actually. Basically, it seems to me they went with their strongest blue read and it worked.
It’s funny that era sees this, identifies it… and then goes “nahhhh, that can’t be it”, when to me that seems to be exactly it.
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On era: For that post about the scumhit, era went through imallinson’s filter in a whole 15 minutes and brought out all the important parts before dismissing his own findings. It’s hard for me to believe that he 1. has the skill to see that by himself and bring it all out in a relatively short time, yet 2. is so bad that he dismissed it all when he was right on the spot. That's a very small window of skill... Which makes me think he might have known what to look for ahead of time.
In general, it’s as Nova says: This guy is obviously paying attention to the game (rules, filters, thread), but then he turns around with mostly one-liners, and he’s using so much WIFOM/bad logic it’s almost a parody. He’s a very tempting lynch indeed.
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On the lurker side, my pick for “needs to step it up” at this moment is our friend Bocki, whose filter is devoid of any analysis made by himself, and who no one seems to be talking about so I gotta bring him up. I see 3 things in there:
-Proposes a mathematical post-counting method for determining who the biggest lurker is
-Votes for Lyter, like everyone else
-Some generic stuff about roleclaiming
- Listens to Goss about me, then says “yeah”
There’s a lot less spam than era there, but there isn’t more content. I'm not sure there's any content, really, and yet no one pays attention to him and he flies right under the radar.
Imallisons filter is not long, its not hard to go through it in less than 10 minutes. Also I dont think him saying 1 or 2 things about a blue is enough for them to get a blue read off him. You could be right about them just going for the person they had the most evidence for, and getting lucky since they only other person that ever mentioned a blue was lazin, and he wanted them to role claim.
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EBWOP: BlueyD you seem to know the profile of a blue and how to read for them? Maybe you already knew he was a blue before he got killed?
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In response to Therapist.
BlueyD says that
Gossemerr, I'm being attacked for making jokes now, really? I'll tell you, there's two reasons I'm making jokes. First... it's fun! Second... I wanted to see who jumped on them to try to make a case look better than it is. Grats, you did.
I don't think that his jokes is just flavor. He makes jokes because he wants people to accuse him? Why would he want this? Its a total waste of time and makes no sense if hes a townie. If he is scum it allows him to discredit accusations and gain town favor while doing it. Ill admit its a risky strategy for a mafia since hes putting attention on him. I still find him suspicious.
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Lazin what do you think about therapists analysis? You should post something because right now you are the lurkiest person out there imo and like therapist said you seem to be trying to suspiciously lay low.
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On April 07 2012 09:21 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 00:14 era wrote:
EBWOP: BlueyD you seem to know the profile of a blue and how to read for them? Maybe you already knew he was a blue before he got killed? WAIT before i go i just noticed this gem. i find this funny, it really looks to me that era is trying very very hard to make blueyd seem suspicious. just look. I'm not sure what is worse, the constant WIFOM, the fact that blues are generally classified as holding back to avoid drawing attention to themselves, or my personal favorite, that you cant know who a blue if even if you are mafia(you have just as good a shot at guessing if you are town) Era seems to be trying sooo hard to get blueyd lynched. even if it doesnt quite make sense and is entirely WIFOM. At this point, if era is scum, blueyD isnt, at least in my mind. tomorrow i'm going to see if that makes sense the other way around.
Of course I am trying to Lynch someone that I think is mafia.. Its my job.
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On April 08 2012 00:03 BlueyD wrote:
Aye, time to put out a vote.
My case against Gossemerr hasn't gotten any better, and standards are higher on day 2 than on day 1. What I have is insufficient for me to vote for him.
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Bocki's defense against my lastest attack is decent, though no more. What he says (didn't post his case because he thought it was a bit weak, wanted it to be stronger before he did and got rushed into it) is plausible. His vote for me feels a bit like an OMGUS, but it does seem plausible that I would have been his best read already, with the whole Gossemerr thing I seem to be the only one to be getting.
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era's play is maddeningly unchanging. He's tunneling, short-posting and WIFOMing all over the place, even after people have pointed it out. The only question is: Horrible townie, or horrible mafia? It is my opinion that a horrible town would at least learn to be less awful after a few days, and actually help the town in some way. This guy hasn't. The one insight he got (and I have difficulty thinking it was really his), he actually dismissed.
##Vote:era
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I want to congratulate LazinCajun for posting a very convincing connection case. I took a quick look at therapist and era's filters and in my opinion it support the case as well. I'll do a deeper analysis if era turns up scum.
Really, you find a connection case that's based on me and therapist posting 3 minutes apart convincing? Lazin himself says that we posted 40 minutes before the deadline which is when everyone would usually be on and voting. Why are you trying to use Lazins "convincing" case to try to get me lynched? I think you are panicking because you are scum.
##Vote: BlueyD
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On April 08 2012 01:18 LazinCajun wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 01:11 era wrote:On April 08 2012 00:03 BlueyD wrote:
Aye, time to put out a vote.
My case against Gossemerr hasn't gotten any better, and standards are higher on day 2 than on day 1. What I have is insufficient for me to vote for him.
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Bocki's defense against my lastest attack is decent, though no more. What he says (didn't post his case because he thought it was a bit weak, wanted it to be stronger before he did and got rushed into it) is plausible. His vote for me feels a bit like an OMGUS, but it does seem plausible that I would have been his best read already, with the whole Gossemerr thing I seem to be the only one to be getting.
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era's play is maddeningly unchanging. He's tunneling, short-posting and WIFOMing all over the place, even after people have pointed it out. The only question is: Horrible townie, or horrible mafia? It is my opinion that a horrible town would at least learn to be less awful after a few days, and actually help the town in some way. This guy hasn't. The one insight he got (and I have difficulty thinking it was really his), he actually dismissed.
##Vote:era
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I want to congratulate LazinCajun for posting a very convincing connection case. I took a quick look at therapist and era's filters and in my opinion it support the case as well. I'll do a deeper analysis if era turns up scum. Really, you find a connection case that's based on me and therapist posting 3 minutes apart convincing? Lazin himself says that we posted 40 minutes before the deadline which is when everyone would usually be on and voting. Why are you trying to use Lazins "convincing" case to try to get me lynched? I think you are panicking because you are scum. Oh man. Almost none of his reasoning is based on my post, but rather your posting. You're not defending what he was accusing you of.
Theres not much to defend, i do post a lot of WIFOM trying not to do that as much. Blueyd asks if im a horrible townie or a horrible mafia? I am obviously a bad townie, this is my first game, Im sure I will player better in my next game. Also it might seem like i am tunneling BlueyD but hes the most suspicious in my book, I am trying to find mafia not accuse 5 different people.
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On April 08 2012 01:17 Bocki wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 00:25 LazinCajun wrote:
Bocki (or anybody else) if you read this before the deadline: Why do you think that the mafia would want to flop to Gossemerr when Lyter, somebody they would've known is town, was already getting lynched? I think that's the weakest part of my post by far, and it's bugging me. The only explanations I can come up with aren't very plausible and come off very WIFOM-y.
I dont think its really weak. Lyter didnt say anything through most of the day. His post was "okay" but not really good. Maybe they thought that (since gossemeer started the lyter lynch) he would be one of the more active players and tried to off him on D1. Possible train of thought of mafia: - Lyter votes for gossemeer. Since he is on the bench and gosse started it, normal reaction. Lets look at the proposed connection Since there are only 2 maf it could either be: 1: era/blueyd era switches to test the terrain, see if anyone else is willing to switch (at that time it was 6-2) Therapist accepts lyters reasoning and jumps on the train. BlueyD switches in the hope of someone else switching to gosse. (4-4 then. It would have taken only 1 person, iamallinson for example. iamallinson voted lazin alone, so there was a probability that he jumped on the gosse bandwagon but not lyter since he already switched his vote away from that.) 2: era/therapist era, same reason therapist may have not checked his PMs (the posts were only 3 minutes apart) and did not see that era wanted him to wait a while until he posts. Example: PM from era to therapist: "lets switch to gosse and see if someone switches with us". Therapist reads it and begins to write. era sends a PM again "but not right after another, that looks scummy", but therapist already posted. BlueyD switches to gosse because of some meta stuff. Pretty vague from my point of view, but okay, everyone plays this differently. 3: therapist/blueyd era is convinced of lyters school explanation and switches to gosse since he started the bandwagon. therapist: same reasoning as era in 1: blueyd: waited the appropriate time (12 minutes is still a little small window, but okay. Since he didnt say anything for the next 2,5 hours, maybe he had to leave and didnt want to wait so long to keep the momentum of the bandwagon) and switched then. This is of course just a case against those three and I did not take into account the other players, but thats what I wanted it to be. I dont think its therapist (although the scenario sounds reasonable) and I cant tell it from single quotes. Just his overall apprearance does not seems scummy to me. So I think its era/blueyd. The only reason I voted for BlueyD instead of era is that era has made some statements that speak against scum and BlueyD did not. So in case BlueyD isnt scum, its scenario 2.
This is all speculation and WIFOM. Also if me and therapists were both mafia why would we both switch our votes? We have nothing to lose by having two different votes if both lyter and goss are townies.
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