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On March 30 2012 23:14 FourFace wrote: BTW I want to make a couple of statements before we start in order for what I say to be irrelevant for your scumsearch later on. I am going to play for fun, I don't care about learning the game or playing "badly". This doesn't imply I haven't read the rules, OP, guides, past games, player meta; or that I won't read the whole thread if it gets larger than 15 pages. Because I have and I will, and I'm counting on everyone to do likewise. I am never going to insult you personally but I will most certainly tell you to your face if your posting style seems inefficient, total bullshit to me regardless of whether I think you're scum or not so I'm probably going to insult your role and style of play .. a lot, during this game. I can handle any sort of critique to my virtual online persona so I expect a little indifference from you too. I won't call your mom a whore or anything like that but even If I would, would you care? I'd be just another troll on the internets without any knowledge of your personal business, forget about it. Once the game starts if you plan on condescending people by giving them newbie advice, and reciting principles on how to play and what they should look for, talk excessively about the concept of lurking and lynching lurkers and generally calling people noobish or crazy .. you are going to make this game less fun for me not to mention you'd just repeat what thousands have said before. Which means I'm going to have to compensate by writing crazy fluff, that you might not be interested in reading, just to mimic your lack of efficiency and usefulness to town. So if you're town don't do that. If you're scum, don't do it either because I'll quite possibly vote to lynch you for it in the absence of more concrete scumreads. That's all I want to say .. my motivation, my self-imposed boundaries and what pisses me off the most. Oh and GL HF GG everyone I would like to say pre-game that I disagree with your stance on newbie advice, principles and lurking. This is a newbie game and these discussions often can help start talks to begin in the begining of a game. This will encourage more people to talk and thus give us more to read into. Also, lurking is an extremely viable strategy for scum to use. If we ignore discussions of this then we are doing ourselves a disservice. You can't just start off a game with nothing expecting people to have scum reads, thats just not possible. If you can figure out a way to rid the town of these behaviors by starting a different topic leading to meaningful conversation I am all for it. I agree that meta is probably a terrible idea in newbie games. | ||
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On March 31 2012 00:50 FourFace wrote: Should've specified: "unasked-for" newbie advice. I really think it's annoying to hear stuff like "lurking is an extremely viable strategy for scum to use".. but it could be just me, and you do what you want. I would like to try something out, yes. Have people compete in writing like they are having fun, just a regular group chat among TL-ers. Joke, make references to starcraft, memes, word play. My theory is that he who lacks the ability to convince the others that he's having fun will most likely be scum. Why? Because lurking is no fun.. and like you said, mafia don't have any problem with playing like that, town does. Mafia want the game to be boring and unreadable, town doesn't. Yes it's rather unconventional and not in the guides yet but let's do try it. So content-less jokes, memes and sc references are now townie? No. This is exactly how scum would want to play, they can get anyway with anything in this idea of a town atmosphere. You know whats fun in Mafia? Catching scum. Not posting just for the hell of it and trolling the thread away. This is a newbie game we should be looking to improve through discussion of the game itself. I'm sorry but your idea is stupid, especially for a newbie game. | ||
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On March 31 2012 02:42 FourFace wrote: I don't feel the need to argue with you, but please .. stop calling ideas stupid. It is the only way to emotionally stir up someone you don't know on the internet. You are really offending me, needlessly. You can say that you want my family to die of cancer (Alfio style) and it wouldn't be as offending because both of us know that you have no reason to hate my family. But if you call my idea stupid .. I don't know your level of intelligence, your mental achievements, your sense of humor or your motivations in life and I can't have someone i don't respect calling my ideas stupid. So pretty please with sugar on top ..remember to refrain from doing that and politely disagree next time. Odds are 7 to 2 that I'm going to be townie so I'm not trying to trick you into playing badly so Mafia wins. I just think I gave it a little more thought than you have. I see some problems like the thread turning boring and people going inactive because they're like: aww shit I have to read thorough this pile of accusations, lurker philosophy, poor or non-existent argumentations and whatnot just so I can find out if 30 hours later the guy i voted for gets lynched or if the guy who gets lynched is scum or not. Personaly I'd like some salt and pepper so my curiosity gets me reading and get a couple of laughs as a reward. The discussion you seek will most likely never emerge, i dare you to prove me wrong. My guess is there's gonna be faceless people with no personality blindly accusing and insulting eachother. You might as well go into politics for that. What you are calling a personal insult is nothing of the sort. I do not think you are stupid, I just think your idea for this game was. I have to read thorough this pile of accusations, lurker philosophy, poor or non-existent argumentations and whatnot just so I can find out if 30 hours later the guy i voted for gets lynched or if the guy who gets lynched is scum or not. Someone correct me if I am wrong but this is EXACTLY why we play mafia. To read other players, to see if we can outsmart and outthink them to lead our team (town or scum) to victory. If accusations, lurker philosophy and arguments (alongside 30 hour waits) are not what you are looking for maybe you should consider not playing forum mafia. You seem impatient and bored without the game even begining. The fun in the game should not come from the content of the posts but in deciphering the messages that they send. Your solution sounds lazy and as if you don't care about the game of mafia at all, you just want us to entertain you with funny posts. | ||
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Kohbee
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On March 31 2012 04:19 FourFace wrote: Suggesting I shouldn't play = rude, insulting. Saying you aren't stupid your ideas are = rude, insulting, condescending. I don't get why you do it, I honestly don't. This is completely untrue. I do not think that anything I have said should have any of the descriptions you used attributed to them. As for everything else you said I would love to hear someone else's opinion because I am still new here and while I've played a fair share of forum mafia, I have no idea what to say to you | ||
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His posts look thought out and unnatural. (aka nervous) | ||
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On April 01 2012 03:24 FourFace wrote: Guys this is gonna be pretty tough, I say we split the extra workload that comes from playing this particular setup but newbie mini games in general too (having next to no established meta, small number of players and less info from night actions because people don't get notified). I'd like each of us to monitor one particular aspect of everyone's behavior and report conclusions once a day/night. What I can think of that fits the criteria of something worth monitoring: -aggressiveness + Show Spoiler + This doesn't say anything about alignment unless meta is involved -the extent to which the arguments make sense and have purpose + Show Spoiler + it completely depends on what the argument is about -impulsiveness (who seems to be acting emotionally biased) + Show Spoiler + this is a newbie game, people will have a hard time controlling emotion -conciseness (quality over quantity) + Show Spoiler + Never expect anyone (town or scum, rookie or vet) to do this correctly IMO shows nothing about alignment -loco (who is crazy and under which circumstances does it show) I'd be just the right guy for this job + Show Spoiler + wut? -eloquence (for the David Foster Wallaces among us; also note typing and edit mistakes) + Show Spoiler + Says nothing about alignment -reaction time (especially to a FOS) + Show Spoiler + Says nothing about alignment and is the easiest way to mislynch -cred (who got it right, who didn't) + Show Spoiler + Says nothing about alignment, scum can be too right and too wrong I don't want to go in what we should actually be looking for or you'll try to lynch me for giving newbie advice when not asked for. On April 01 2012 03:10 Therapist. wrote: ##Vote: Kohbee You were my second scum team member. Thanks for confirming with me | ||
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On April 01 2012 03:30 FourFace wrote: To find out who's the right guy for which job I'd like to ask a couple of questions first: What do you prefer playing: town or scum and why? What role would you like to be in this setup and why? Think of a role that isn't in this setup and explain his powers Think of a theme for a game (optional) Thank you for your cooperation You are right about being loco | ||
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Kohbee
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On April 01 2012 03:51 Therapist. wrote: Kohbee tries to act like he's confirmed two scum in his mind from the start. Why would he be so aggressive in calling people out as scum so early in the game if he were not trying to lead people away from himself and his partner? Hiropro may very well be scum, I have no idea. I know I'm not. I think more people need to call out Kohbee and see what he's really made of. I don't talk to scum | ||
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Kohbee
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On April 01 2012 03:59 FourFace wrote: @Kohbee This is why I only listed 8 jobs. Unconsciously I knew you would act like a total douche. That's ok .. you can be our LEADER I don't know why you take offense to my posts. In a completely non-game related comment, you seem to be extremely sensitive to critism of your ideas. | ||
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Kohbee
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On April 02 2012 02:06 marvellosity wrote: In case you hadn't noticed this is a team-game. You keeping things to yourself doesn't help the rest of us. ##Unvote: Solohan50 ##Vote: Fourface I'm with Muffins. I'm tired of you being a dick. There is a lot of fail going on in this thread right now. Withholding information from town is NOT scum behavior. keeping town on a need to know basis is. I don't think that fourface is a good lynch at all. I also think that hiropro is town and would also be a bad lynch. There has literally been extremely little said so far in the thread. However one thing of note is marvellosity's willingness to switch his vote to whatever bandwagon he thinks will start up. The solohan50 lynch is something I was thinking about before catching up on the thread. There has been very little of value posted thusfar in the thread and he is completely inactive. IMO he has like a 30-40% chance of flipping scum and if not, we lose nothing. So far I only have town reads on a couple people. | ||
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wow fail on my part | ||
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On April 02 2012 02:27 strongandbig wrote: Pretty sure you can't vote for yourself, we went over that earlier. As for reads on me, it should be pretty easy; I think that unless Kohbee explains his early accusation on hiropro, it's suspicious. Personally I think that a case could definitely be made on fourface for being kind of domineering and trying to control the game, but I don't think he's scum yet. He was behaving exactly the same way before the game. Sure it's kind of obnoxious, but lynching someone for being obnoxious is exactly what mafia wants. I did. Why are you so bothered by it | ||
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Kohbee
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On April 02 2012 03:22 HiroPro wrote: To the people voting FourFace, how does that make any sense. FourFace has been one of the few people to try to get something going. Mafia would never try to lead the way FourFace is. Mafia lurk and try to remain hidden. Of omnomMuffins and marvellosity, omnomMuffins has contributed almost nothing, while marvellosity has identified a possible scumslip by strongandbig. ##Vote: omnomMuffins I don't like this vote at all. He has said numerous times why he is not here (onog) and has atleast checked in where solohan has not. If you want to lynch a lurker why are you ignoring solohan. Also, why not vote strongandbig if you think he scumslipped? | ||
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Kohbee
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What I said was that hiro needs to get his vote on solohan or therapist so that town can control the vote. | ||
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On April 02 2012 04:58 Solohan50 wrote: Before the game started, Kohbee was overflowing at the mouth. He was posting lengthy diatribes while going back and forth with FourFace. Once the game started, however, he started with an immediate vote with very little reasoning. Two paragraphs about whether memes and SC2 jokes should be included in a game of Mafia, following by a ##vote with almost no explanation? I find this change of style very suspicious. He has continued the trend of talking very little throughout this thread, as well as flip-flopping on the vote and causing us to lose one of our big tell moments. Because of this, I'm casting my vote for Kohbee. ##Vote: Kohbee but i got what i wanted out of hiro which was a townie response. I haven't had much to say. I am thinking right now we should be voting marvel or strongandbig | ||
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quoting for filter On April 02 2012 05:18 Mattchew wrote: its not too late for anyone. I don't think hiro is scum and I think his reaction to my vote was that of one who doesn't care about being voted for. He reacted as I would as town. Marvel and the rapist should be who we are looking at | ||
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On April 02 2012 05:35 FourFace wrote: what the hell EBWOP: Is that a scumslip? He reacted as you would if you were town, meaning you're scum? no. can we get back to talking about marvel and therapist | ||
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Kohbee
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On April 02 2012 05:40 KharadBanar wrote: Wait what? Are you accusing yourself? Or are you talking to me? And yes that's right, I got nothing on you. But not a strong town read either. It's entirely possible that a scum wants to get himself into the leading position of the town (I did this in one game IRL and it worked great). Also, your aggressive behaviour makes constructive argumentation not exactly easier. Now to some other things: At the moment I'm leaning Therapist, because he still hasn't gone off his Kohbee vote yet, whom I have marked as pretty townish in my mind. Kohbee: You stated that marvellosity and strongandbig are good vote targets. Care to elaborate? ##Vote: Therapist This is not final yet, but I am too distracted to 100% think right now (LAN party -.-) tbh I don't have any strong scum reads. Mostly I have a few town reads who I will not let get lynched today. Other than that Idk, all 3 of strong marvel and therapist are good lynches imo today ##vote therapist | ||
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Kohbee
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This is OMGUS? | ||
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On April 02 2012 05:51 marvellosity wrote: Who do you have good town reads on and why? There is no reason to post this. It will provide a kill list to scum. I would rather post this at the end of night deadline. Why do you want to know this? | ||
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Kohbee
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On April 02 2012 05:52 FourFace wrote: Are you in a hurry to get those votes off you? Are you looking at me to shift the tide. Dude, remember how you totally tried to piss me off with your feigned ignorance. I almost think you expected me do do exactly the opposite of what you suggest as a response. You accuse someone, then you thought I'd come swinging in to defend him so you can nail me with chainsaw defence. I did exactly the opposite and voted likewise. That got you a little confused, then you realized your trap didn't go so well. You know what Kohbee .. if we were both scum, the mutual cancellation of our efforts to get discussion going would have been genious. You with random voting .. me with random questions cockblocking your random voting. Your energic refusal of cooperating with my random questions. It would've been beautiful. ##Unvote ##Vote: Kohbee When did I try to piss you off? I don't understand a single reason of why you are voting for me. Are you that self centered to think that my play revolves how you will react. I wasn't looking for a reaction from you I was looking for a reaction from hiropro. | ||
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I am Sane Cop Here are my reads ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/B1RcQ.jpg) If I live I hope to god this is the cop/doc version If im lynched go after marvel and therapist first. I wish I could have checked them | ||
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any questions? | ||
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You all suck (this is OMGUS strong) | ||
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On April 02 2012 08:44 FourFace wrote: It's all or nothing. Personally I am super curious if he is indeed blue. this post is so unfathomably stupid | ||
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On April 02 2012 08:46 Therapist. wrote: This is my first game of mafia after all. If you're a townie, I'll take a good lesson from this for the future. PLEASE LYNCH THIS MAN AFTER I DIE | ||
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On April 02 2012 08:45 FourFace wrote: In that case the damage would be done. Mafia would be on your ass every night. so the chance of a doc being able to save a scum hit isn't appealing at all to you? holy shit wtf am i reading | ||
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On April 02 2012 08:47 KharadBanar wrote: If there's another blue in town he can still be protected. If anyone else is ready to take his vote off Kohbee, I'm ready to follow unless I really don't agree with the new vote. I am sorry that I will have gotten you killed night 1... if anything it is a sign of how well you played | ||
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On April 02 2012 08:55 HiroPro wrote: And let Kohbee die? You make no sense. A vote for you is as good as not voting. This flood control thing is really annoying.... logic and reason, in my newbie game? wtf get out | ||
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On April 02 2012 08:56 FourFace wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: marvellosity LOLOLOLOLOLOL | ||
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Solohan50, strongandbig, omnomMuffins, FourFace Of these 4 is probably our scum team btw if a doc or jailer is out there please please please save me kthx. gotta go for the night be back on tomorrow | ||
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Kohbee
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also, can you tell me why you said I don't know why a blue would have acted the way he did all day, seems like a blue wouldn't have gone for a random starter lynch. If kohbee isn't scum then that was a really dumb action. | ||
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On April 02 2012 14:21 omnomMuffins wrote: Hey guys, sorry I wasn't on, my support staff totally disappeared today so I was running the invitational by myself all day (it was said on stream by the casters for proof). Basically to explain my vote against FourFace was that I really have no patience for dealing with people with bad attitudes and his comment that he was reprimanded for stuck me in a bad way. I see that we lynched a townie, and I will post my conclusions on people tomorrow after I wake up (been working about 20 hours straight), and get a chance to actually digest what is going on  This is extremely bad and scummy. You don't talk about anything of value, your vote doesn't make any sense in a game of mafia and you don't seem to care about reading the thread. | ||
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On April 02 2012 14:17 strongandbig wrote: Because someone with a helpful role for the town wouldn't want to jump right out and bring the heat on themselves before they could use their power to help the town. At least, that's what I think. If we as a town are depending on our blues then we already lost. While it can be extremely helpful to confirm accusations and clear mislynches, our play in the thread not relating to blues is what will make or break town. There never should have been any heat on me as I have done nothing wrong. It is the fault of everyone voting for me that I had to blue claim. If you are town you should have seen me as someone willing to put the spotlight on themselves, explain what they are doing/did, and actually trying to scum hunt in a time there was none. | ||
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Plus, if there is a doc and we lynch the roleblocker, I will be able to start checking again. | ||
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On April 02 2012 21:57 FourFace wrote: 7-10 minutes before the lynch my brain worked out this genuinely true piece of information judging by the constellation of the votes: Kohbee&Solohan50 Kohbee&strongandbig Kohbee&Therapist .. can't possibly be THE scumpair. That's all I know for sure. I've got a really long fucking txt. document about Kohbee which I will publish just before night 1 ends to make sure the night actions have been sent via pm to the host. I'll only quote the beginning of that document now: I can't be in a scum pair because i am not scum. however solohan, omnomnom and strong should all be looked at very very closely "Kohbee, you are obviously the one to investigate right now. Get used to people asking you the same questions multiple times. The best you can do is patiently answer all of them at your best ability without any emotional connotations whatsoever. I don't need coaching. I will be ready and willing to answer all questions, however I will not hesitate to call out stupid when i see it. | ||
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On April 02 2012 22:02 marvellosity wrote: Fourface, would you tell me what you think of the blueclaim? Don't like my explanation? | ||
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On April 02 2012 22:14 FourFace wrote: You can't be serious about this being the way you handle the accusations. I suggest you take your time before posting anything regarding any new post that comes up with you as the protagonist. Stop saying you're not scum, that you're not stupid, that someone else should be investigated. If anyone can save you now it's you and I suggest you do it with logical argumentation and sincere honesty while omitting the parts that cannot be verified because they are irrelevant. You have all that has been said in this game to your disposal. Good luck Here's some logic. You can lynch me and watch me flip blue. Or you can listen to me and lynch solohan, strong and/or omnomnom. These 3 are most likely your scum team. Here is why. If scum had a chance to lynch a blue day 1 they are certainly not going to move off of it. If they wanted to save me to give themselves some "cred" they would have probably done it differently. Fourface I believe you cleared yourself by switching off of me thus making sure I was not lynched. You also post like you care about the game but not what others think about you. which is good No one should doubt KB being town he has played far too openly and actively this game to be scum. Hiropro was town before voting therapist but made himself more clear when he came in, argued against my lynch and voted therapist. (He is the only one I am still a little on the fence about but for now it is probably safer to assume he is scum) Marvel was high on my scum list, but there is no way a scum player would be the finisher to saving a blue's lynch. Solohan lurked (wasnt online w.e) the entire day comes into the thread blazing with accusations at me that were baseless and stupid. Strong has been posting scummy all game. He is rather defensive and he tries to create different meanings, that favor his opinions, from players posts Omnomnom doesn't give a shit about reading the thread. This could be because of ONOG, but it also could be because of him being scum and watching the town have little to no pressure on him. | ||
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Basically, in my eyes, marvel, four, KB, and myself are confirmed town. Right now we have 3 lynches to use, and if we lynch 1 scum member we have 4. If we lynch solo strong omnom and only get 1 scum hiro would be my last pick for scum. That being said i think the 2 man scum team is in my 3 picks for scum | ||
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On April 02 2012 22:41 FourFace wrote: How could he have known that you are blue and not scum trying to say whatever it takes to save his skin and be the laughingstock of the community. For all you know he was the one to finish the lynch on a town player because if he was scum he would know that I am not scum. Therefore scum would know that I am not lying or at the very least I am green trying to get their roleblock. | ||
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On April 02 2012 22:46 FourFace wrote: So basically what you're saying is .. you're not scum so he's not scum because he would've known that you're not scum yup. and if lynching me is what is needed to win the game then so be it. I would rather just lynch the scum team though | ||
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On April 02 2012 22:47 FourFace wrote: EBWOP: which brings us back to the question: How do we know you're not scum? This is completely up to you... You can either be awesome or stupid. You decide, its like a choose your own adventure novel | ||
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On April 02 2012 22:55 strongandbig wrote: Kohbee I agree with you that if you are not scum, then the people who switched their votes off of you after your last-minute claim should be considered probably town. They could have just kept their votes on you and then claimed afk after your lynch. However we need to remember that people who were not already voting for you aren't cleared. Switching a vote to you after a blue claim would be an obvious scum tell when the claim turns out to be true. It would be much safer just to let you live and roleblock or shoot you. So where does that get us? If you are town, then four face would be clean. However he's the only one who actually switche off of you. Hiropro and marvellosity also helped save you, so I suppose hiropro is also town, since he could have kept his vote on solohan and allowed you to die. However, marvellosity had to take an action. Therefore he could not have said he was afk for your claim and lynch. Therefore, if you claimed, were lynched, and flipped blue, marvellosity would have been the obvious next target - not worth it for him if he's mafia, when they can just roleblock you. So, if you are town then the scum would be two out of me, marvellosity, omnom, solohan, and kb. Since it's not me, then we have a group of four out of whom 2 are mafia; however, you obviously have no reason to believe I'm town, so call it 2/5. However! This whole analysis is only valid if you are town. You could also be scum - a distinct possibility in my opinion. Next post will have that analysis. Sorry if I get ninja'd, I'm typing this on an iPhone. For not being stupid you can get lynched 2nd. unless omnomnom posts more dumb shit and jumps ahead of you in line. (very possible) k? k. | ||
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On April 02 2012 23:15 marvellosity wrote: The problem is there are so many possibilities. 1) A random townie gets killed. This could mean Kohbee is scum and they just decided to off someone. It could also mean that Kohbee is not scum, and mafia assumed that as town has a 2/3 chance of having a doc or jailer, they would just kill someone else and roleblock Kohbee. 2) Kohbee gets killed. This is clearest case as then of course Kohbee is not scum. It also PROBABLY (but not definitely) means we don't have a doc/jailkeeper as they'd likely protect Kohbee. 3) No-one gets killed. This could mean Mafia tried to hit Kohbee but he was protected. It could also mean Kohbee is mafia and mafia decided to hit no-one to make Kohbee less suspicious (that doesn't seem like a great outcome for mafia, not getting a kill). Actually now I've listed some options, information will be gleaned one way or another. Worryingly it seems 1) is the best mafia play, because it doesn't tell us much about who is mafia at all. You are correct in your thought process however it is all WIFOM. | ||
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On April 02 2012 23:30 FourFace wrote: "WIFOM is arguably the most misapplied term in the Mafia lexicon, and for years the standard approach to has been to throw out any ambiguous evidence. This is not optimal, as WIFOM situations are generally not purely random. However, WIFOM arises precisely because someone is difficult to read, and the possibility of being wrong is inherent in making a choice. Many times analyzing night kills is considered WIFOM, as only the killers can say with certainty why someone died. This is especially true when the kill choices were unexpected. At present, NK analysis is considered simply another possibly-reliable piece of evidence, neither useless nor authoritative. " I could be wrong but by guess it's only WIFOM if you discuss past events. We are addressing possible developments and once again, predicting possibilities. And once again you are not helping one bit. At least stop quoting that chunk if you plan on saying only a sentence. if i don't die it says nothing about my alignment. I could either be left alone so that I can be mislynched or I am scum (to everyone else as I know this is not the case) If I do die it points fingers directly at solohan strong, and omnomnom. Scum could do this because they are town and can get mislynches out of them. However they could also believe that you would think that, and be hiding behind the argument of "why would we kill Kohbee if it points fingers at us." This is why night kills are WIFOM in terms of determining alignment | ||
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It should read more like If I do die it points fingers directly at solohan strong, and omnomnom. Scum could do this because solo, strong and omnom are town and can get mislynches out of them. However Scum could also believe that you would think that, and then solohan, strong and omnom can hide behind the argument of "why would we kill Kohbee if it points fingers at us." | ||
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On April 02 2012 23:53 FourFace wrote: hhahahaa good one. Confirmed town. Just kidding. Why are you not trying to go into detail as to what happened minutes prior to the lynch. I think there's more there that we can discuss, don't you? i did dive deep into that time period. I haven't seen anything new or relevant said since | ||
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On April 02 2012 23:55 FourFace wrote: It's because you should explain it before anyone else does. Don't worry it's not boring at all.. it's what everyone is talking about. I already explained what happened. Townies got me off the hook and scum tried to lynch me | ||
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On April 03 2012 01:33 Solohan50 wrote: I find it amusing that Kohbee is sitting here telling the entire thread who is scum, based off of who voted to lynch him. I would be more worried about some of the last-minute switches than I would about the people who thought you were scum from the start. A last minute vote-switch to the Therapist bandwagon would be the perfect place for scum to hide. It gives them all the credibility in the world, even if they have to miss out on the supposed "Cop". What better way to pretend you're not scum than to say "But I saved the Cop at the end?". It makes even more sense if you think the roleclaim is false and that Kohbee is actually scum. If he is indeed scum, I'm willing to bet that his scum buddy switched vote at the last minute when he realized that the lynch vote was going to take Kohbee out first day. On top of that, Kohbee spent the whole day trying to lynch a townie. When that failed, he roleclaimed and bandwagoned a townie right at the end of the day. On top of that, the townie he lynched was one of the most vocal anti-Kohbee players in the thread short of FourFace. This seems like too big of a string of coincidences for me, which is why my vote stayed where it was, and which is why we ended up lynching a fellow townie instead of the real scum. So who was it that I was trying to lynch the whole day? | ||
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On April 03 2012 02:17 FourFace wrote: Why do you make people think for you? Why can't you just say HiroPro is not a confirmed townie.. is it really that hard. It's so frustrating with you that I just want to win this game right away. I would like to wait for a time when everyone is active so we can discuss if we should all claim along with actions and everything and then lynch Kohbee. Think about the pros and cons and don't let mafia arguments derail what could be an imba maneuver. If you are town this is beyond stupid. all you will do is out a doc or jailor if there is one. Stop throwing out your easy-win plans. I want to know who solohan is refering to when he says On top of that, Kohbee spent the whole day trying to lynch a townie. Why can't he just answer? | ||
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On April 03 2012 02:39 Solohan50 wrote: I think it was pretty apparent by my post who I was referring to, but I'll reiterate it just for you, Kohbee. You were pushing for Therapist to get lynched, and you got it by bandwagoning him with your roleclaim. I actually just called him scum and told him I didn't want to talk to him because I thought as much. I would like you to notice that I was open to many different lynch options including yourself. I don't know why you are choosing to lie to justify your vote. It seems rather... scummy. | ||
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On April 03 2012 02:39 Solohan50 wrote: I think it was pretty apparent by my post who I was referring to, but I'll reiterate it just for you, Kohbee. You were pushing for Therapist to get lynched, and you got it by bandwagoning him with your roleclaim. Btw the tone of this post screams scum. | ||
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On April 03 2012 03:42 omnomMuffins wrote: Okay guys I'm finally up and awake. I have Grubby talking on stream about my work hours for an alibi people that are refusing to believe that I actually wasn't doing the ONOG stuff (which I said I wouldn't be very active until today BEFORE roles were handed to remind you of that). Starting at the beginning of the thread in an in depth read and taking notes now Sorry for the afkness, apparently running, producing, admining and caster wrangling a tournament by yourself actually take about all your time. what is the point of this. We know. every post is about you eventually posting... just do it. | ||
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Also, On April 03 2012 02:39 Solohan50 wrote: I think it was pretty apparent by my post who I was referring to, but I'll reiterate it just for you, Kohbee. You were pushing for Therapist to get lynched, and you got it by bandwagoning him with your roleclaim. makes everything you just said about me wrong | ||
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On April 03 2012 06:10 HiroPro wrote: Before you claimed cop, you posted reads based on what people posted and acted like. Now? Everything's "Hey guys, I'm cop, therefore these individuals are suspicious." Which of these behaviors do you think helps town more? my reads are still based off actions. they wanted to lynch a cop. | ||
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ps. omnom seems scared to actually post anything game related | ||
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![[image loading]](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m140vycDbs1rqfhi2o1_400.gif) ps. that huge post was vague, gave next to no reads on anyone, and basically said "i think fourface is town but I would still lynch him" | ||
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and kb is town and hiro is kinda scummy but not really anymore and marvel is new and you cant read solo and strong. You are like textbook scum not willing to take a stance on anything outside the obvious. | ||
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On April 03 2012 08:31 omnomMuffins wrote: First you say, YOU SAY NOTHING SCUM! Now you get all my reads and you say EVERYONE HAS SAID THAT ALREADY SCUM! Of course they have, I was 2 days late to the game. Me quoting everything that was said is easily accessible, but no one else seems to have taken the time to compile it. Also, on an unrelated note, is the alligator who ate a person dead yet? It has the taste for human blood 0.0 READING COMPREHENSION FAIL I am calling you scum because you refuse to take a stance almost anywhere. I think your post is bad because it appears you offer nothing new which means you are afraid to voice your own opinions. There is a different between bad and scum. | ||
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so suck it slightly less than clean this is how you call people scum? | ||
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On April 03 2012 23:17 strongandbig wrote: + Show Spoiler + Now for some reads. First up, kohbee. I stand by my read on Kohbee from day 1. His random vote on hiro was completely unjustified - hiro had done nothing scummy. Now as I said then, that could either e a town action or a scum action. For town, then it's trying to spark discussion by shocking us into action. However, it could also be a scum action - hoping that a noob town will bandwagon, leading to a mislynch; or an attempt by scum to distance themselves from each other. It would be a particularly good scum action, since there's a town explanation for it as well as a scum explanation, but the potential to causes mislynch in such a small game is a big advantage for scum. So, just from that action we don't know whether Kohbee is scum or town. However! Two things about Kohbee's actions yesterday make it unlikely that he's town. First his response to therapist - if he was really trying to spark discussion then it makes no sense to respond simply "I don't talk to scum" to someone who pushes you. That reeks of someone hoping to get town to bandwagon, rather than someone who wants us all to talk and get information out there. Second, he claimed to be the cop. In my opinion it makes no sense for the cop to be the person who jumps out with a random early vote. The potential for backfiring is obvious: it could draw attention from town, if they follow my initial analysis that the random vote could be either scummy or town, and it could draw heat from mafia if you start to look like a town leader, and get you shot. Pulling all that risk onto yourself as blue on day 1 makes no sense for town. Kohbee is scum. Reads on other players will come later, after my conference call - maybe at lunch time. First of all my vote on Hiropro was completely justified. His beginning trolling seemed much more calculated and nervous than everyone else posting at the time. This means he either a. Did not want to post (scum) or b. Didn't know how/what to post (scum or newbie town could be doing this). I wanted to focus on hiropro. I wanted his reaction, which is why i voted him, not everyone elses. My idea was that because he seemed so nervous if he was scum he would have reacted much differently than he actually did. You can call this tunneling but I believe I had more than ample time to change my read if need be. Therapist came through like a truck soft defending Hiropro before he even had a chance to respond to my accusation. I was focused on Hiropro, so I disregarded Therapist at the time. When Hiropro finally responded (which he did in a way that screamed idc about a vote being on me, which is super townie) I realized that my initial read was probably wrong and that Hiropro was probably town. By this point I had a bunch of dumbass votes on me for no reason other than fear that I was too aggressive. Also, to Strong's second point about the way I have played as cop I have already answered this earlier in the thread. + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2012 20:34 Kohbee wrote: If we as a town are depending on our blues then we already lost. While it can be extremely helpful to confirm accusations and clear mislynches, our play in the thread not relating to blues is what will make or break town. There never should have been any heat on me as I have done nothing wrong. It is the fault of everyone voting for me that I had to blue claim. If you are town you should have seen me as someone willing to put the spotlight on themselves, explain what they are doing/did, and actually trying to scum hunt in a time there was none. You really believe I am scum because I am not playing cop the same way you would. I don't see being a blue to be as powerful as you seem to think it is. You keep acting like the cop role is our only saving grace, I just think of it as an aid to town. On April 03 2012 23:24 marvellosity wrote: + Show Spoiler + At the moment, I have two possible scum reads, one expected, one perhaps not - but I'd like to start with Kohbee, the expected. Some of his opening flippant comments. To Therapist: "you were my 2nd scum team member. Thanks for confirming to me." "I don't talk to scum" I find his whole obsession with therapist rather odd. He seemed quite convinced early on for no reason. He also lashed out at strongandbig because he voted for him (so my notes are telling me, hope I'm right). The blue claim was also just... ugh. Bad town play, or scum play. I also really don't like the following On April 02 2012 05:53 Kohbee wrote: There is no reason to post this. It will provide a kill list to scum. I would rather post this at the end of night deadline. Why do you want to know this? Provide a kill list to scum? Why does scum need Kohbee's town reads for a kill list?! They know who all the townies are. I really really find this answer scummy. I find his whole obsession with therapist rather odd What? I just disregarded him for standing up for Hiropro without letting him speak for himself. Thats hardly an obsession. I only voted him to save myself because I knew I was a mislynch and wasn't sure that he was town.Also, town lists are bad this early in the game. Because anything you have right on there will be the prime targets for scum to kill. Scum know everyone that is town (no shit) but they don't know who town will focus on for lynching down the line. Anyone that is confirmed town, to townies, is usually who scum will go after first. | ||
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On April 03 2012 09:19 omnomMuffins wrote: Why do you hate me so much seriously? I just post that I don't believe you are cop, I post all my findings, and while not all of them are original, you just go after me? I'm sorry I suck as an observer all right? Anywho, going off of my post that I made, I will happily go with my gut. ##vote kohbee I do not believe you are the real cop. On April 03 2012 09:22 omnomMuffins wrote: Actually I think the real reason you don't like me is because I took your power away by pointing out that you actually have none when you announced you were role blocked. So you are as blind as the rest of us, and need to act like you have power. Or you are mafia. To me these posts start off wanting empathy and pity (as almost all his posts do). This seems emotional like a new scum player that got caught and is trying to guilt town into not lynching him. To me, he is basically saying "Guys! Get this big meanie off of me" Ps. Omnom, I don't dislike you at all IRL and outside of this game. I will buy you a beer if we ever meet in person. | ||
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This also leads me to reason with why you were wishy-washy about giving an opinion on therapist in your first real post, and what motivated you to vote for me in the first place. Basically you go back to a completely null read and get away with an entire day/night cycle because of an outside the game excuse. Omnom there are a couple things I want to respond to. and unfortunately I will not be at IPL TT, we can talk post game about another time. If Kohbee is a cop, why role block instead of simply kill, thereby getting rid of the the blue instead of getting rid of FourFace. There is WIFOM logic to this but if I had to guess its because I am still a viable mis-lynch candidate. I don't pose any extra threat to scum because they can role-block me and I don't have much credibility with the town as it currently stands. The insta lynch of HiroPro that he wanted after TWO sentences is still really raw from the beginning, because those two sentences were apparently the most awkward or scummy things said yet, when they were preceeded by: FourFace's immediate vote for self KB's conversation where he said ot "get back into character" and Some very awkward sentence structure from S&B. Once again, I did not call for his lynch, nor did I rally people to vote for him. I simply put a vote and a reason on him to make him respond. Fourface is crazy as shit, thus him posting crazy as shit isn't scummy to me. KB posts like he has no fear of the repercussions for his posts, this is extremely townie as I have said before. s&b didn't really give me scum vibes. | ||
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On April 04 2012 04:16 omnomMuffins wrote: Sure that is a possibility, but it is fairly easy to claim role blocked if the role doesn't exist in the first place. So if we review from the start right now we have a few options. Either way mafia has 1 guy who kills and 1 guy who roll blocks. From there our options are Cop/Doctor Cop/Jailkeep Doctor/Jailkeep just a cop just a doctor or just a jailkeep So if he isn't actually a cop, that means there is a 50/50 chance that someone out there is the cop. If he is the cop that means he either has no protection, a medic for protection, or the only protection he has is the jail keep, which renders him inert since he gets role blocked from that protection every night making him essentially just a normal townie. If he is cap and is getting role blocked by the jail keep, that means that he is trying to throw around extra weight that he doesn't really have either way simply by being blue. Being blue doesn't automatically give you better insight into anything, you need to use your abilities to have those insights. So throwing around weight because he is "cop" is actually fairly detrimental to town, and if he isn't cop, that means that he is also detrimental to town. If there was another sane cop they should have come forward and got me lynched. A 1 for 1 in a 9 - 2 starting game is beyond worth it. Secondly, what do you mean by throwing around weight? (also meant to ask what an albert is). This just sounds like you are trying to make my voice sound louder than in reality it is. There is next to no one in the thread that currently trusts me, yet you act like I have this power over town to just get you lynched with the snap of my fingers. You seem scared. | ||
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On April 04 2012 05:20 omnomMuffins wrote: I seem scared? I"m just pointing out behavior and facts that are attributed to you. Look at your reactions to whenever the FOS goes to you. You degrade the people pointing it, declare them mafia, seemingly purposefully misinterpret what people are saying and you immediately deflect. That does not seem like confident behavior, especially if you know you are cop. The irony here is outstanding. Can you point out where I degrade individuals (I'll call a whole group stupid after I have explained why) for FOS'ing me, because I think I just degrade their reasoning unlike yourself. + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2012 09:46 omnomMuffins wrote: I don't believe Kohbee is cop, whether he is playing an Albert On April 03 2012 08:08 omnomMuffins wrote: Kohbee shut your mouth please. Either that or he is an Albert and is just really so obnoxious He completely fails at reading comprehension So suck it. There is some serious irony in you saying that I declare people who FOS me mafia. + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2012 01:44 omnomMuffins wrote: ##Fourface Don't really want to play with people with his attitude, it isn't helpful even if he is town. On April 03 2012 09:19 omnomMuffins wrote: Anywho, going off of my post that I made, I will happily go with my gut. ##vote kohbee Can you point out where I purposefully misinterpret what people are saying and immediately deflect... because I can find this with your posting? + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2012 08:31 omnomMuffins wrote: First you say, YOU SAY NOTHING SCUM! Now you get all my reads and you say EVERYONE HAS SAID THAT ALREADY SCUM! On April 03 2012 09:19 omnomMuffins wrote: Why do you hate me so much seriously? I just post that I don't believe you are cop, I post all my findings, and while not all of them are original, you just go after me? I'm sorry I suck as an observer all right? | ||
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On April 04 2012 06:02 omnomMuffins wrote: Playing an Albert isn't degrading, it is just the term of a move, being calling cop no matter what. Contradictions from you are not few and far between. On April 04 2012 05:22 omnomMuffins wrote: Oh and an Albert is a term from event TL Mafia, when played in person. There is a twitch.tv staff member who is notorious for being flat out stupid when playing, even when sober. Every game he claims cop, whether he is town, mafia, medic or actually cop. This leads to no one believing him no matter what. He does make the game amusing when played in person though. | ||
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On April 04 2012 06:20 KharadBanar wrote: Maybe he calls him flat out stupid because Albert actually plays flat out stupid? I don't know that player but seeing as he claims cop every game it's definitely a possibility? Kohbee, I don't like to repeat myself but you seemed rather intelligent at the start of the game, and ever since your claim that sense of intelligence I'm getting from you has started to decline, reaching a temporary low just now. If you want to be the new FourFace, so be it, but prepare to get lynched right here and now. Please do yourself and town a favor and prove to us that you can actually provide helpful content instead of pages of The Eternal Flame War Extended Edition. It might get you enough cred with the other players that they rethink their scum reads on you, but at the moment you certainly don't look particularly pro-town. So if omnom flips scum, will i still look less intelligent to you? | ||
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On April 04 2012 07:58 HiroPro wrote: Kohbee - On the first day of posting Marvel pressed you for your reads on town and you replied Is there a reason that you never posted anything like this at the end of first night? I don't understand the examples that omnomMuffins brings up at all. While they may be interesting stories, they have absolutely nothing to do with the game we are in. This seems like a very scummy action to me because it draws attention away from actual posts and reads. I did. It was an image of my google docs sheet. I also have posted a couple times on why people like marvel, kb and fourface are town. | ||
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KB - opinions on solohan, hiropro and marvel Marvel - opinions on strong, omnom, and hiropro Strong - opinions on hiropro, solohan and marvel Solohan - opinions on hiropro, strong and marvel Omnom - opinions on solohan, hiropro and KB | ||
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I am not 100% about omnom. More like 65%. Solohan50 slipped here as I tried to point out. On top of that, Kohbee spent the whole day trying to lynch a townie. When that failed, he roleclaimed and bandwagoned a townie right at the end of the day. On top of that, the townie he lynched was one of the most vocal anti-Kohbee players in the thread short of FourFace. Can anyone honestly read this and say that he is talking about the same person in the first and second sentences? He is clearly talking about hiropro in the first sentence and therapist in the 2nd and 3rd. He knows that Hiropro is a townie because he is scum. He then realizes this and tries to post this as an excuse On April 03 2012 02:39 Solohan50 wrote: I think it was pretty apparent by my post who I was referring to, but I'll reiterate it just for you, Kohbee. You were pushing for Therapist to get lynched, and you got it by bandwagoning him with your roleclaim. weak OMGUS(at reading). Also, in the off chance that he is not lying here and he is refering to therapist in the first sentence as well, his case is such forced garbage. To say I had spent the whole day trying to lynch Therapist is a straight up lie and the laziest case ever made (which he has now tried to carry to day2). For proof. I had 2 posts about therapist being scum which were (as I have explained) more to shut him up about my vote on hiro. + Show Spoiler + On April 01 2012 03:38 Kohbee wrote: You were my second scum team member. Thanks for confirming with me Later on I even said we should be looking at marvel and strong (no mention of therapist) + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2012 05:10 Kohbee wrote: but i got what i wanted out of hiro which was a townie response. I haven't had much to say. I am thinking right now we should be voting marvel or strongandbig then you can look at the rest of my posts "spending the whole day trying to lynch a townie" + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2012 05:37 Kohbee wrote: no. can we get back to talking about marvel and therapist QUOTE]On April 02 2012 05:20 Kohbee wrote: I KEEP FUCKING DOING THIS. OK LEAVING HIS ROOM quoting for filter On April 02 2012 05:18 Mattchew wrote: its not too late for anyone. I don't think hiro is scum and I think his reaction to my vote was that of one who doesn't care about being voted for. He reacted as I would as town. Marvel and the rapist should be who we are looking at On April 02 2012 05:49 Kohbee wrote: tbh I don't have any strong scum reads. Mostly I have a few town reads who I will not let get lynched today. Other than that Idk, all 3 of strong marvel and therapist are good lynches imo today ##vote therapist You can even see that I didn't even vote him till around 4 hours before lynch! Solohan50 is scum ##unvote ##vote solohan50 | ||
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On April 04 2012 10:55 marvellosity wrote: Kohbee, I disagree with your entire point about Therapist/HiroPro. As far as I understood Solohan, he was clearly talking about Therapist in his post. Therefore his 2nd post was not an excuse. You then go on to 'explain' that you were not going after Therapist the whole day, before then demonstrating you kinda were. You say your first two posts were to "shut him up" - nonetheless you made them, and you made them in a non-productive, pointless way. Then as you point out yourself as well, you say 3 times later on that we should be looking at therapist, and then you vote for him. If a vote for him plus mentioning you think he's scummy AT least 5 times doesn't warrant Solohan saying you were on therapist's back all day, I don't know what does. 5 posts. 2 of which call him scum. 2 of which just ask people to talk about him. 3 of which were in the last 20% of day 1 I am sorry but you are just wrong Your soft defense of solo is noted | ||
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On April 04 2012 11:17 Kohbee wrote: btw solo are you or therapist irl friends with anyone else in the game? Actually this is meant to be asked of everyone... Is there anyone else that is IRL friends with anyone else? | ||
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On April 04 2012 10:55 marvellosity wrote: Kohbee, I disagree with your entire point about Therapist/HiroPro. As far as I understood Solohan, he was clearly talking about Therapist in his post. Therefore his 2nd post was not an excuse. You then go on to 'explain' that you were not going after Therapist the whole day, before then demonstrating you kinda were. You say your first two posts were to "shut him up" - nonetheless you made them, and you made them in a non-productive, pointless way. Then as you point out yourself as well, you say 3 times later on that we should be looking at therapist, and then you vote for him. If a vote for him plus mentioning you think he's scummy AT least 5 times doesn't warrant Solohan saying you were on therapist's back all day, I don't know what does. 5 posts. 2 of which call him scum. 2 of which just ask people to talk about him. 3 of which were in the last 20% of day 1 I believe that the facts say that your assessment is incorrect Your soft defense of solo is noted better? | ||
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Also, Fourface literally saved me from being lynched. Both you and solo have now used fourface against me, which I find really weird. That is some serious WIFOM you guys are bringing up. Someone I called town (the entire game i might add) got killed by scum and flippd town, this now someone helps the case against me being town? If we are going to do WIFOM Why would I call fourface town when others wanted to lynch him and I argued out against them. To say I consistantly attacked therapist is a HUGE overstatement. one more thing On April 04 2012 11:45 marvellosity wrote: If Kohbee miraculously flips as blue cop, again the information is vast. Kohbee is scum and people should vote for him. ##Vote: Kohbee What? If I flip blue cop, you and solohan have some SERIOUS explaining to do, don't try and act like my mislynch doesn't have reprecussions | ||
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On April 04 2012 12:00 omnomMuffins wrote: Dark Templar? Detective, aka cop | ||
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On April 04 2012 12:21 strongandbig wrote: Solohan The toughie of the group today. He doesn't post much, which is something that people seem to be treating as a mafia tell. However, when he does post, he takes a strong stand. That's not very much of a scum tell. He has nine posts, all of which are in this thread. He could be scum, but he also might not be. Unsure - leaning scummy? In his 9 posts, the only thing he is sure of is that I am scum and KB is town. If I flip blue will you lynch solo? | ||
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If you want to lynch the guy who is continuing actual game discussion when there otherwise is none, and is a cop, then well I don't know what to say. If you want to lynch scum, who I will put my lynch on the line for, then please vote for solohan50. I remind you that I am willing to take full responsibility for solohan's lynch. If he flips town then I should become suspect number 1. | ||
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Strong and Omnom I would like for both of you to reconsider your vote on me instead of Solohan50. Strong, I read your case on me and responded to it. I will reiterate some key points that I believe refute what you think are scum tells. Me telling therapist that I wouldn't talk to him was not me stifling discussion, I simply wanted Hiropro to answer for himself. Also, you act like I wanted a bandwagon on Hiropro but I never told anyone to vote for him or even asked others opinions on him. I presented a 1 sentence case based on his 2 sentences in the thread and waited for a response. Your second point basically boils down to you believing that a cop would not play the way I have. I don't know how many games of forum mafia you have played, but you will quickly find out that you can never depend on people to play as you would (in any role) and you can almost never depend on them to play "right". Omnom, your vote on me is (imo) mostly based off the "fight" we had in the thread for a few hours/days. I think we both got emotionally heated and ended up voting for one another based off this. I ask you to not make the same mistake twice (I call it a mistake because I know I am town) by voting for 2 townies based off you being mad at them for being assholes. I know that you think I am annoying and abrasive, tbh I don't care that you think that. I will answer any direct questions from now on but I will no longer post as I have previously as I don't need reactions anymore, I have found the scum team. However, if you vote for solohan, regardless of outcome it will completely shut me up. If he flips town, I will take responsibility, post my apologies, and take my impending lynch. When he flips scum, I will high five myself, then vote marvel tomorrow without any argumentation. I believe that you two and Hiropro and KB are our remaining town. If you do not see the logic in KB's and my own case against Solohan today I ask that you please believe me and him upon my flip. Solohan is scum. Marvel is scum. Omnom, I wanted to lynch you and I saw you townslip hard. This post+ Show Spoiler + On April 03 2012 09:47 omnomMuffins wrote: EBWOP: Wait, we don't have the confirmed set? I thought it was 2 mafia, one godfather, the other role blocker, and a cop and a medic? Time to read the OP more closely. Strong has been open with everything he has done. He doesn't seem to have any hidden motive and is more than willing to share his opinions. He does this is a genuine manner and there doesn't seem to be any hesitation or contradiction in his play. If I do get lynched and when I flip Sane Cop, this should immediately confirm Hiropro and KB as town. To argue otherwise is stupid and illogical. Hey Kohbee, why is Marvel also scum? Well thats pretty simple. Marvel's day 1 was bad (as he admitted) but he covered it by saving a blue to lynch a townie. The funny thing about Marvel's play is that he is literally never willing to accept responsibility for anything he does. Every decision he makes is laced with an out for him + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2012 08:54 marvellosity wrote: EBWOP: I still think Therapist. is townie, but I think the chance he's mafia is a bit higher right now than Kohbee. On April 04 2012 11:45 marvellosity wrote: If/when Kohbee flips scum, we already have a big head start on scum #2. If Kohbee miraculously flips as blue cop, again the information is vast. ##Vote: Kohbee In this post he literally sets up the scum's night actions + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2012 09:16 marvellosity wrote: Bah. Ok let's think. Therapist is townie, and if Kohbee is telling the truth, he is blue cop. If that is the case, the clear play for mafia is to hit Kohbee. Mafia could go for the double bluff and not hit Kohbee, but if he's the cop it's way too risky because he could find out their alignment. If Kohbee is lying, then he's mafia. And if Kohbee is mafia, then I think we can say without doubt he won't be killing himself. So we should know at the end of the night what is what. He also says that he has 2 scum reads, but only posts reads on me. + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2012 23:24 marvellosity wrote: At the moment, I have two possible scum reads, one expected, one perhaps not - but I'd like to start with Kohbee, the expected. He is also chainsaw defending Solohan50 like the life of his game was on the line. He just softly OMGUS'd Hiropro with a completely vague argument for why he is voting the way he is. + Show Spoiler + If I don't see either Strong or Omnom respond to this I will repost on the next page and so on until they do | ||
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Kohbee
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A final note to omnom, the distraction is the people talking about me and making (insert aggressive phrasing for bad) cases against me. If I was really disrespecting people I would have been warned by the mods like fourface was. You all have created the distraction under my name. This is forum mafia, and if you expect everyone to be all civil with one another you are in for a rude awakening. If you think this thread was madness I advise you to read literally any other game, this game looks like a sun shower compared to everything else. The other thing about me being "distracting" that I find hysterical, is that I am distracting for posting my scum reads and pushing them. Sorry for playing mafia and distracting you all from your talks of mods scum slipping and alligators killing people. | ||
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Also, since when is attacking your scum reads a scum thing to do? oh right... it isn't. (this isn't OMGUS, this OMGyourcaseandreasoningsucks) | ||
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On April 05 2012 03:27 Kazahk wrote: /in and this is my first time playing mafia on a thread xD best. post. ever. (ok back to silence) | ||
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I am sad because town will soon be in LYLO. I am sad because there are townies that honestly believe that scum team member would take a 50/50 shot on blue claiming day 1. I am sad because this will be a learning experience for the 2 (maybe 3) of you voting me instead of Solohan. I am sad because discussion has completely died, which is also an incredibly bad sign of things to come. I am sad that I can only leave you guys with 1 sure fire scum and that I (and the rest of town) will no longer have a mislynch because of lynching a townie currently. I am mostly sad because town is lynching its most active member, who was more than willing to promote discussion and be completely transparent with all of his reads and actions. When I flip blue. Solohan is scum. I am sure of this. You need to lynch him first. After this my strongest guess is Marvel, but in all honesty it could be strong and it could even be hiropro (although if its him you might as well all quit now, he's played some fantastic scum). I wish I could be more conclusive and leave you with a more clear map. | ||
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I find it really really really fucking ironic that you guys ending by lynching the guy you got me lynched over. I want to know strong, why did you think that hiropro was scum? In all honesty I think town won on a lucky guess by you and marvel because there was no logical reasoning for anything the 2 of you did. I'll post a big post with thoughts at the end of the game. Preview: KB and hiropro rule, everyone else sucks | ||
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The fact that he knew that killing muffins would paint him town is your answer to why his argument is not logically sound at all. It is meaningless WIFOM Couple this with the fact that there was literally no actual case made against Hiropro and that there was never any reason stated for why strong was town other then further WIFOM of night kills and you come to my conclusion that town won solely on a pair of lucky guesses. | ||
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To say hiro had not taken a firm stance is only partially true. He argued to save me on two separate occasions fairly adamantly, even if it meant he was losing his teammate. I don't know how closely you read the game VE but Hiro did take a firm stance day 2 voting and encouraging others to vote for solohan. Omnom should have looked scummy to everyone. He argued senselessly (to a fault of my own as well) and clogged up the thread with a ton of horseshit over me (a flipped claimed blue). Him saying this should was more conversational then scummy. Its super ironic that you point to a case hinging on "he was filmsy" when strongandbig was just as filmsy (if not worse IMO). To say he did no scum hunting is hysterical because noone except me and KB did any actual scum hunting. | ||
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On April 11 2012 10:41 KharadBanar wrote: But painting himself town after killing omnomMuffins is much harder to do than simply offing strongandbig and watching the other two accuse each other (I guarantee you that would have happened). That's my whole point. It's much easier in the position of scum!marvellosity to simply kill strongandbig than to even begin to consider a WIFOM case which might or might not work depending on strongandbig's though process. But I don't want to waste time here. As another wise man once said: (I apologise in advance for the bad and obscure reference, but I had to) So if hiro had killed strongandbig, couldn't he have used the exact same argument of "IM NOT AN IDIOT THAT WOULD SHOOT STRONGANDBIG". Just because it worked this time doesn't make it a good or logical practice. | ||
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On April 11 2012 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote: What's your point here? The case was strong enough to put Hiro on the back foot, and if it weren't for the impending scum-flip, Hiro could have really slipped up in defending himself against it. Verily, almost his entire defense consisted of 1) sidestepping the actual accusations and 2) WIFOM...when what you're accusing marvel of is "lucking into a WIFOM victory" or something stupid. Just take the victory bro - you'll get your chance to shine.  why are you trying to sweep this under the rug. I don't care about getting my chance to shine, this is a discussion on improvement. As I said before Hiropro played a pretty terrible last day, but as you can see in about 2 minutes I took apart the only "case" that was presented against him. All you are doing is encouraging the use of night kills as argument to figure out who is scum or convince others that someone is scum. I would hope that you as a vet would know better. Let alone the situation being pretty unique (being 2 town 1 scum left almost never happens). In reality Marvel's argument would almost never work in any other situation and IMO still shouldn't have convinced anyone. In case you haven't noticed, I am NOT trying to argue that marvel was wrong to come to this conclusion. I am arguing that he is wrong for using this as his argument to others to see his way. Marvel, I see the logic you used to figure out Hiropro was scum. This is fine, however it only works because you know/knew that you were town. To others, your argument should be less about you and more about Hiropro and why he is scum. | ||
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Ps. I am taking issue with using WIFOM around NK's as the argument for any lynch. Its part of the reason I got mislynched too in this game. | ||
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On April 11 2012 11:33 marvellosity wrote: Should also be noted of course that I was proved right about Hiro... the irony here is soooooo awesome | ||
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I don't think you understand that you saying its irrefutable logic should prove my point exactly. Because you can think this, this makes it instantly not insane, and actually quite cunning, to pull something like this as scum. You are not seeing yourself from an outsiders prospective who do not know you are town. All I am saying is that IMO you needed to add a lot more than just I WOULD BE STUPID TO DO THIS, to the thread to have ensured victory. I understand that you did what you thought was necessary to win the game, but I don't think this is the right way to go about your reads, ESPECIALLY in lylo | ||
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On April 11 2012 11:55 omnomMuffins wrote: Okay me being totally new again... WIFOM? Wine in front of me. Someone else has to take this. Also, I would recommend making sure you have enough time in your schedule before signing up for another game. On top of that maybe reading some guides would help cause you seemed to play more on emotion than logic TBH | ||
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Day 1 Day 1 started with Fourface's trolling plan. Nothing of game value was posted so anyone wanting to do scum hunting had to read solely into the tone of everyone's posting and not on the agenda behind it. I picked up on Hiropro here because his attempts to troll seemed forced and really well thought out. When I brought this discovery to light in the thread and voted for Hiropro's lynch. Therapist, not seeing things the same way I did, responded immediately, 2 posts after, that I was wrong and voted me. Because of this, Hiropro was never forced to respond for himself, and this pissed me off. This kind of soft defense in my mind spoke to two different options. The first is that therapist is defending his scum buddy and the second is that scum therapist knows hiropro is town and thinks he will gain town cred saving him. Other than this I cannot think of a good reason why a townie would defend someone over 1 vote early on day 1. Basically this is me not following my own advice of not expecting people to act the "right" way. This is why I called him scum and didn't want to talk to him. Hiropro seeing that Therapist, Strongandbig, and even KB (to a lesser extent) defending him was able to answer my pressure calmly and sensibly. Fourface sums it up nicely *here* and is extremely logical about the entire situation. Wait what, yes, yes I did just call Fourface posting logical. As the day progressed I saw that my voting of hiropro was going no where. If I had pushed it any harder people would have jumped on me harder and the last thing I wanted to do was get lynched as a cop. Hiropro also started sheeping me. This was another reason why I had to call him town so that I could continue getting him to vote with me. Then, towards the end of day 1 fourface and strongandbig are back voting for me again. Omnom's vote is based on fourface being an "asshole" and hiro and KB are with me on therapist. Seeing that there are 2 hours left, and I am a blue, I do what I believe is the only thing I have left, which is claim my role. All of a sudden the thread explodes, Marvel votes therapist, fourface switches to marvel, and I am saved. In all honesty when Therapist flipped town I wanted to post "and nothing of value was lost" but that would got me insta-lynched day 2 for being "aggressive". Night 1 During the night I knew I wasn't going to be able to check anyone. You can see I tried to check hiropro, solohan and omnom LOL. I posted all my reads knowing I was going to be on the chopping block the next day. Marvel made a really really really good (yes I'm saying good things about you Marvel) post *here*. Then a bunch of nonsense was posted (i did like my post *here*) Then, at the top of page 22, hiropro posted that my reads were getting way worse. This is actually what opened my eyes to what was really going on. This was the best exchange for me in the whole thread and even though he was scum, this was extremely helpful. Then, Omnom and me started. To be honest I have no idea what I did to piss Omnom off so terribly, however Omnom's huge post began with a completely emotion based attack on me and fourface. Calling my actions unjustified (when I explained every one of them) and calling me albert (aka stupid IDC how you explain it, this is the truth). When you slander me and call me stupid, I am not going to react politely to you. I also was misguided by the emotion of the moment to the point I did actually think you were scum. This is an internet forum in a game of lying. To expect people to believe that you were gone all that time without question is bullshit. You were a lurker, like it or not, and did not put in the same effort as others into this game. You made it next to impossible to get a read on you which is inherently anti-town and you voted based off emotion which was anti-town as well. I understand now that you really didn't have the time for this, and that is completely fine, but to tell me and fourface to shut up, because we were 1000x more active then you was not smart and not logical for forum mafia. Remember, you didn't believe I was cop, why should i have to believe you were actually not able to post? Day 2 Fourface dies. He probably would have done really well this game so thats sad. I started off continuing my emotional stupidity voting omnom (see I call myself stupid too). Then we argue a little more and Omnom *townslips* and I stubbornly ignore it at that exact moment. Then Strongandbig and Marvel post cases on me (I broke down why they were bad *here*). To be completely honest in retrospect I should have been tipped off by this effort to scumhunt. However, at the time I was blinded by how not great the cases were, yet they were gaining traction. I played extremely poorly at the beginning of day 2. I posted petty meaningless shit just to prove people wrong or hypocritical. I was completely blinded by my disgust with the faulty logic being used against me. This all changed *here*. KB ninja'd the shit outta me with his awesome post but for me, this was when I started thinking logically. The worst thing was that I had a massive post on why hiropro was scum (I detailed it out in the obs qt) but I knew that calling him scum when he was voting with me on someone I had as 100% scum was probably not the best way to get mafia lynched lol. From this point forward I tried to convince people to vote with me on solohan. Unfortunately people were pretty tied to their "first mafia reads". I tried to argue why I was a bad lynch logically, and why solohan was scum logically. Both failed pretty hard. In all honesty Omnom was right in one respect in that I didn't have anyone's trust, which for a person like me who tries to take a lot of the emotion out of this game means very little. In retrospect, idk if I woulda changed much but I may have kept it in mind when trying to argue day 2. I knew I was about to get lynched. In this time I was completely torn between Marvel and Hiropro to be solohan's scum buddy. Marvel was the one I decided on more outta rage then outta logic. Once again I did something stupid cause of emotions. I get lynched. I lol @ the bad. I sad @ KB cause I know he's gon die. Nigh 2/Day 3/Night 3 I group these together cause nothing really happened. KB got shot which meant Solohan HAD to be lynched. He flipped scum (shock!) Then night 3 hiropro killed omnom. To be honest I think he shoulda no-killed or killed marvel. Day 4 The entire day rested on Strongandbig deciding which argument to side with. The day looked like the cliche example of 2 people fighting over ownership of a dog by calling its name. I have said a bunch of times, I think strongandbig basically flipped a coin with who he was voting for because both sides brought such weak arguments to the table from his prospective. To be honest I would have liked strong to take a stance using his own argument and case, instead of just choosing between the 2. I don't mean this disrespectfully but Strong seemed to take the lazy way out (just choosing to follow 1 persons lead instead of coming to the decision on his own). In the end Strong made the right decision to win the game. hurray! Individual Breakdowns Therapist - You were looking for the wrong qualities in mafia. Ironically you ended up defending one to the point that it got you lynched. Early votes provoke discussion and pressure people into talking, which is always a good thing. The early vote on hiropro should not have cleared me as town, but it did not deserve the response you and others gave. Grade - D Fourface - You actually played very well this game. You made yourself clearly town, and occasionally posted logically sound shit. If you would drop the crazy side to you and just play straight up I think you could become a very very very good player. Grade - B+ Kohbee - I learned a lot from this game. First and foremost I need to calm down when being accused regardless of how terrible I think the argument against me is. There are so many unnecessary posts from me in this game. However me, KB and at the very end Marvel are why town won this game. Grade - A- KharadBanar - At first I thought you were stupid townie. Then you came through with amazing logic and reads. Town's MVP for sure and by far the best player in this game IMO. Grade - A+ Solohan50 - Meh. You needed to get involved more. You only focused on basically nothing, and would almost always de-lurk immediately when called out. Grade - D Omnommufins - You played this game like it was IRL mafia. This was your first and biggest mistake. While I have never played IRL mafia, I would be willing to beat its a lot less competitive and a lot more about the good time playing. I don't know how to grade your play because I don't think that you had the time or the right mindset for forum mafia. I don't know how to suggest improvement other than to point you to guides about forum mafia and suggesting that next time you play you make sure your schedule allows it and that you basically forget everything you know about IRL mafia. Grade - I (incomplete) HiroPro - Up until the last day you played flawlessly. However you never really came out of your shell to try and show your towniness. Even up until the last minute you kinda had a nonchalant "im right" attitude which carried you to a last day lylo. If you had came at marvel with a fury on the last day I fully believe you would have won. You also realized early on that you need to separate yourself form Solohan, which I believe you did very well. Grade - A- marvellosity - In retrospect, you did not play nearly as bad as I had remembered. You had a number of good posts, but you also lived and died by WIFOM logic. I would suggest you to stop predicting mafia action, and especially to stop using it as your argument to the rest of town. I know that you figured out hiropro at then end, but I hope that you understand you did not do an exceptional job of either proving you were town (so that SB could see your logic) or proving that Hiropro was scum. Grade - A- strongandbig - I honestly didn't see too much of value to take away from this game. You basically saw me as aggressive, and equated that to scum (big no-no). After this you got stubborn, refused to listen to me, and saw all of my actions and posts through clouded lenses. I don't know how exactly you came to your final decision, but congrats it was a good one, and for that I can't grade you too low. Grade - C | ||
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Kohbee
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I will put it this way. Lets say that Hiropro had decided to kill strongandbig and then the entire day screamed at omnom that he would have killed omnom for an easy win and that he would have to be stupid to have killed strongandbig. If it played out like the last day did, you would have been lynched and hiropro would have won using WIFOM logic. I don't think that you realize that strongandbig did not KNOW you were town like you did. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Kohbee's Basic Summary of what went down (from my point of view cause im self centered like that) Day 1 Day 1 started with Fourface's trolling plan. Nothing of game value was posted so anyone wanting to do scum hunting had to read solely into the tone of everyone's posting and not on the agenda behind it. I picked up on Hiropro here because his attempts to troll seemed forced and really well thought out. When I brought this discovery to light in the thread and voted for Hiropro's lynch. Therapist, not seeing things the same way I did, responded immediately, 2 posts after, that I was wrong and voted me. Because of this, Hiropro was never forced to respond for himself, and this pissed me off. This kind of soft defense in my mind spoke to two different options. The first is that therapist is defending his scum buddy and the second is that scum therapist knows hiropro is town and thinks he will gain town cred saving him. Other than this I cannot think of a good reason why a townie would defend someone over 1 vote early on day 1. Basically this is me not following my own advice of not expecting people to act the "right" way. This is why I called him scum and didn't want to talk to him. Hiropro seeing that Therapist, Strongandbig, and even KB (to a lesser extent) defending him was able to answer my pressure calmly and sensibly. Fourface sums it up nicely *here* and is extremely logical about the entire situation. Wait what, yes, yes I did just call Fourface posting logical. As the day progressed I saw that my voting of hiropro was going no where. If I had pushed it any harder people would have jumped on me harder and the last thing I wanted to do was get lynched as a cop. Hiropro also started sheeping me. This was another reason why I had to call him town so that I could continue getting him to vote with me. Then, towards the end of day 1 fourface and strongandbig are back voting for me again. Omnom's vote is based on fourface being an "asshole" and hiro and KB are with me on therapist. Seeing that there are 2 hours left, and I am a blue, I do what I believe is the only thing I have left, which is claim my role. All of a sudden the thread explodes, Marvel votes therapist, fourface switches to marvel, and I am saved. In all honesty when Therapist flipped town I wanted to post "and nothing of value was lost" but that would got me insta-lynched day 2 for being "aggressive". Night 1 During the night I knew I wasn't going to be able to check anyone. You can see I tried to check hiropro, solohan and omnom LOL. I posted all my reads knowing I was going to be on the chopping block the next day. Marvel made a really really really good (yes I'm saying good things about you Marvel) post *here*. Then a bunch of nonsense was posted (i did like my post *here*) Then, at the top of page 22, hiropro posted that my reads were getting way worse. This is actually what opened my eyes to what was really going on. This was the best exchange for me in the whole thread and even though he was scum, this was extremely helpful. Then, Omnom and me started. To be honest I have no idea what I did to piss Omnom off so terribly, however Omnom's huge post began with a completely emotion based attack on me and fourface. Calling my actions unjustified (when I explained every one of them) and calling me albert (aka stupid IDC how you explain it, this is the truth). When you slander me and call me stupid, I am not going to react politely to you. I also was misguided by the emotion of the moment to the point I did actually think you were scum. This is an internet forum in a game of lying. To expect people to believe that you were gone all that time without question is bullshit. You were a lurker, like it or not, and did not put in the same effort as others into this game. You made it next to impossible to get a read on you which is inherently anti-town and you voted based off emotion which was anti-town as well. I understand now that you really didn't have the time for this, and that is completely fine, but to tell me and fourface to shut up, because we were 1000x more active then you was not smart and not logical for forum mafia. Remember, you didn't believe I was cop, why should i have to believe you were actually not able to post? Day 2 Fourface dies. He probably would have done really well this game so thats sad. I started off continuing my emotional stupidity voting omnom (see I call myself stupid too). Then we argue a little more and Omnom *townslips* and I stubbornly ignore it at that exact moment. Then Strongandbig and Marvel post cases on me (I broke down why they were bad *here*). To be completely honest in retrospect I should have been tipped off by this effort to scumhunt. However, at the time I was blinded by how not great the cases were, yet they were gaining traction. I played extremely poorly at the beginning of day 2. I posted petty meaningless shit just to prove people wrong or hypocritical. I was completely blinded by my disgust with the faulty logic being used against me. This all changed *here*. KB ninja'd the shit outta me with his awesome post but for me, this was when I started thinking logically. The worst thing was that I had a massive post on why hiropro was scum (I detailed it out in the obs qt) but I knew that calling him scum when he was voting with me on someone I had as 100% scum was probably not the best way to get mafia lynched lol. From this point forward I tried to convince people to vote with me on solohan. Unfortunately people were pretty tied to their "first mafia reads". I tried to argue why I was a bad lynch logically, and why solohan was scum logically. Both failed pretty hard. In all honesty Omnom was right in one respect in that I didn't have anyone's trust, which for a person like me who tries to take a lot of the emotion out of this game means very little. In retrospect, idk if I woulda changed much but I may have kept it in mind when trying to argue day 2. I knew I was about to get lynched. In this time I was completely torn between Marvel and Hiropro to be solohan's scum buddy. Marvel was the one I decided on more outta rage then outta logic. Once again I did something stupid cause of emotions. I get lynched. I lol @ the bad. I sad @ KB cause I know he's gon die. Nigh 2/Day 3/Night 3 I group these together cause nothing really happened. KB got shot which meant Solohan HAD to be lynched. He flipped scum (shock!) Then night 3 hiropro killed omnom. To be honest I think he shoulda no-killed or killed marvel. Day 4 The entire day rested on Strongandbig deciding which argument to side with. The day looked like the cliche example of 2 people fighting over ownership of a dog by calling its name. I have said a bunch of times, I think strongandbig basically flipped a coin with who he was voting for because both sides brought such weak arguments to the table from his prospective. To be honest I would have liked strong to take a stance using his own argument and case, instead of just choosing between the 2. I don't mean this disrespectfully but Strong seemed to take the lazy way out (just choosing to follow 1 persons lead instead of coming to the decision on his own). In the end Strong made the right decision to win the game. hurray! Individual Breakdowns Therapist - You were looking for the wrong qualities in mafia. Ironically you ended up defending one to the point that it got you lynched. Early votes provoke discussion and pressure people into talking, which is always a good thing. The early vote on hiropro should not have cleared me as town, but it did not deserve the response you and others gave. Grade - D Fourface - You actually played very well this game. You made yourself clearly town, and occasionally posted logically sound shit. If you would drop the crazy side to you and just play straight up I think you could become a very very very good player. Grade - B+ Kohbee - I learned a lot from this game. First and foremost I need to calm down when being accused regardless of how terrible I think the argument against me is. There are so many unnecessary posts from me in this game. However me, KB and at the very end Marvel are why town won this game. Grade - A- KharadBanar - At first I thought you were stupid townie. Then you came through with amazing logic and reads. Town's MVP for sure and by far the best player in this game IMO. Grade - A+ Solohan50 - Meh. You needed to get involved more. You only focused on basically nothing, and would almost always de-lurk immediately when called out. Grade - D Omnommufins - You played this game like it was IRL mafia. This was your first and biggest mistake. While I have never played IRL mafia, I would be willing to beat its a lot less competitive and a lot more about the good time playing. I don't know how to grade your play because I don't think that you had the time or the right mindset for forum mafia. I don't know how to suggest improvement other than to point you to guides about forum mafia and suggesting that next time you play you make sure your schedule allows it and that you basically forget everything you know about IRL mafia. Grade - I (incomplete) HiroPro - Up until the last day you played flawlessly. However you never really came out of your shell to try and show your towniness. Even up until the last minute you kinda had a nonchalant "im right" attitude which carried you to a last day lylo. If you had came at marvel with a fury on the last day I fully believe you would have won. You also realized early on that you need to separate yourself form Solohan, which I believe you did very well. Grade - A- marvellosity - In retrospect, you did not play nearly as bad as I had remembered. You had a number of good posts, but you also lived and died by WIFOM logic. I would suggest you to stop predicting mafia action, and especially to stop using it as your argument to the rest of town. I know that you figured out hiropro at then end, but I hope that you understand you did not do an exceptional job of either proving you were town (so that SB could see your logic) or proving that Hiropro was scum. Grade - A- strongandbig - I honestly didn't see too much of value to take away from this game. You basically saw me as aggressive, and equated that to scum (big no-no). After this you got stubborn, refused to listen to me, and saw all of my actions and posts through clouded lenses. I don't know how exactly you came to your final decision, but congrats it was a good one, and for that I can't grade you too low. Grade - C | ||
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
On April 12 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote: As mentioned before, you are the only one who fails to grasp it. Literally everyone else understands, you do not. That's it. Can you please explain how my example doesn't add up? | ||
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
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