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On April 03 2012 08:31 omnomMuffins wrote:
First you say, YOU SAY NOTHING SCUM!
Now you get all my reads and you say EVERYONE HAS SAID THAT ALREADY SCUM!
Of course they have, I was 2 days late to the game. Me quoting everything that was said is easily accessible, but no one else seems to have taken the time to compile it.
Also, on an unrelated note, is the alligator who ate a person dead yet? It has the taste for human blood 0.0
READING COMPREHENSION FAIL
I am calling you scum because you refuse to take a stance almost anywhere.
I think your post is bad because it appears you offer nothing new which means you are afraid to voice your own opinions.
There is a different between bad and scum.
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so suck it
slightly less than clean
this is how you call people scum?
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if i die please lynch solohan, omnom and strong in that order.
kthx
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no results. I was roleblocked
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On April 03 2012 23:17 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Now for some reads.
First up, kohbee.
I stand by my read on Kohbee from day 1. His random vote on hiro was completely unjustified - hiro had done nothing scummy. Now as I said then, that could either e a town action or a scum action. For town, then it's trying to spark discussion by shocking us into action. However, it could also be a scum action - hoping that a noob town will bandwagon, leading to a mislynch; or an attempt by scum to distance themselves from each other. It would be a particularly good scum action, since there's a town explanation for it as well as a scum explanation, but the potential to causes mislynch in such a small game is a big advantage for scum. So, just from that action we don't know whether Kohbee is scum or town.
However! Two things about Kohbee's actions yesterday make it unlikely that he's town. First his response to therapist - if he was really trying to spark discussion then it makes no sense to respond simply "I don't talk to scum" to someone who pushes you. That reeks of someone hoping to get town to bandwagon, rather than someone who wants us all to talk and get information out there. Second, he claimed to be the cop. In my opinion it makes no sense for the cop to be the person who jumps out with a random early vote. The potential for backfiring is obvious: it could draw attention from town, if they follow my initial analysis that the random vote could be either scummy or town, and it could draw heat from mafia if you start to look like a town leader, and get you shot. Pulling all that risk onto yourself as blue on day 1 makes no sense for town.
Kohbee is scum.
Reads on other players will come later, after my conference call - maybe at lunch time.
First of all my vote on Hiropro was completely justified. His beginning trolling seemed much more calculated and nervous than everyone else posting at the time. This means he either a. Did not want to post (scum) or b. Didn't know how/what to post (scum or newbie town could be doing this).
I wanted to focus on hiropro. I wanted his reaction, which is why i voted him, not everyone elses. My idea was that because he seemed so nervous if he was scum he would have reacted much differently than he actually did. You can call this tunneling but I believe I had more than ample time to change my read if need be. Therapist came through like a truck soft defending Hiropro before he even had a chance to respond to my accusation. I was focused on Hiropro, so I disregarded Therapist at the time.
When Hiropro finally responded (which he did in a way that screamed idc about a vote being on me, which is super townie) I realized that my initial read was probably wrong and that Hiropro was probably town. By this point I had a bunch of dumbass votes on me for no reason other than fear that I was too aggressive.
Also, to Strong's second point about the way I have played as cop I have already answered this earlier in the thread.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2012 20:34 Kohbee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 14:17 strongandbig wrote:On April 02 2012 12:05 Kohbee wrote:mafia has a roleblocker. I am basically a vanilla townie from now on. also, can you tell me why you said I don't know why a blue would have acted the way he did all day, seems like a blue wouldn't have gone for a random starter lynch. If kohbee isn't scum then that was a really dumb action. Because someone with a helpful role for the town wouldn't want to jump right out and bring the heat on themselves before they could use their power to help the town. At least, that's what I think. If we as a town are depending on our blues then we already lost. While it can be extremely helpful to confirm accusations and clear mislynches, our play in the thread not relating to blues is what will make or break town. There never should have been any heat on me as I have done nothing wrong. It is the fault of everyone voting for me that I had to blue claim. If you are town you should have seen me as someone willing to put the spotlight on themselves, explain what they are doing/did, and actually trying to scum hunt in a time there was none.
You really believe I am scum because I am not playing cop the same way you would. I don't see being a blue to be as powerful as you seem to think it is. You keep acting like the cop role is our only saving grace, I just think of it as an aid to town.
On April 03 2012 23:24 marvellosity wrote:+ Show Spoiler +At the moment, I have two possible scum reads, one expected, one perhaps not - but I'd like to start with Kohbee, the expected. Some of his opening flippant comments. To Therapist: "you were my 2nd scum team member. Thanks for confirming to me." "I don't talk to scum" I find his whole obsession with therapist rather odd. He seemed quite convinced early on for no reason. He also lashed out at strongandbig because he voted for him (so my notes are telling me, hope I'm right). The blue claim was also just... ugh. Bad town play, or scum play. I also really don't like the following On April 02 2012 05:53 Kohbee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 05:51 marvellosity wrote:
Who do you have good town reads on and why?
There is no reason to post this. It will provide a kill list to scum. I would rather post this at the end of night deadline. Why do you want to know this? Provide a kill list to scum? Why does scum need Kohbee's town reads for a kill list?! They know who all the townies are. I really really find this answer scummy.
I find his whole obsession with therapist rather odd What? I just disregarded him for standing up for Hiropro without letting him speak for himself. Thats hardly an obsession. I only voted him to save myself because I knew I was a mislynch and wasn't sure that he was town.
Also, town lists are bad this early in the game. Because anything you have right on there will be the prime targets for scum to kill. Scum know everyone that is town (no shit) but they don't know who town will focus on for lynching down the line. Anyone that is confirmed town, to townies, is usually who scum will go after first.
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On April 03 2012 09:19 omnomMuffins wrote:
Why do you hate me so much seriously?
I just post that I don't believe you are cop, I post all my findings, and while not all of them are original, you just go after me?
I'm sorry I suck as an observer all right?
Anywho, going off of my post that I made, I will happily go with my gut.
##vote kohbee
I do not believe you are the real cop.
On April 03 2012 09:22 omnomMuffins wrote:
Actually I think the real reason you don't like me is because I took your power away by pointing out that you actually have none when you announced you were role blocked.
So you are as blind as the rest of us, and need to act like you have power. Or you are mafia.
To me these posts start off wanting empathy and pity (as almost all his posts do). This seems emotional like a new scum player that got caught and is trying to guilt town into not lynching him.
To me, he is basically saying "Guys! Get this big meanie off of me"
Ps. Omnom, I don't dislike you at all IRL and outside of this game. I will buy you a beer if we ever meet in person.
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Solo, in a general game sense, I really don't like that you knew therapist outside of the game and only choose to disclose this now. I can see why you wouldn't move your vote off from an outside the game perspective and I don't know if this is necessarily fair (especially in a newbie game).
This also leads me to reason with why you were wishy-washy about giving an opinion on therapist in your first real post, and what motivated you to vote for me in the first place. Basically you go back to a completely null read and get away with an entire day/night cycle because of an outside the game excuse.
Omnom there are a couple things I want to respond to. and unfortunately I will not be at IPL TT, we can talk post game about another time.
If Kohbee is a cop, why role block instead of simply kill, thereby getting rid of the the blue instead of getting rid of FourFace.
There is WIFOM logic to this but if I had to guess its because I am still a viable mis-lynch candidate. I don't pose any extra threat to scum because they can role-block me and I don't have much credibility with the town as it currently stands.
The insta lynch of HiroPro that he wanted after TWO sentences is still really raw from the beginning, because those two sentences were apparently the most awkward or scummy things said yet, when they were preceeded by:
FourFace's immediate vote for self
KB's conversation where he said ot "get back into character"
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Some very awkward sentence structure from S&B.
Once again, I did not call for his lynch, nor did I rally people to vote for him. I simply put a vote and a reason on him to make him respond.
Fourface is crazy as shit, thus him posting crazy as shit isn't scummy to me.
KB posts like he has no fear of the repercussions for his posts, this is extremely townie as I have said before.
s&b didn't really give me scum vibes.
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On April 04 2012 04:16 omnomMuffins wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 03:47 KharadBanar wrote:
The roleblock on Kohbee could also come from a Jailkeeper who wanted to protect him because a doctor is an asset to keep around / keep him from killing someone if he was mafia. Just throwing that out there, I'm far from convinced he's town though. Sure that is a possibility, but it is fairly easy to claim role blocked if the role doesn't exist in the first place. So if we review from the start right now we have a few options. Either way mafia has 1 guy who kills and 1 guy who roll blocks. From there our options are Cop/Doctor Cop/Jailkeep Doctor/Jailkeep just a cop just a doctor or just a jailkeep So if he isn't actually a cop, that means there is a 50/50 chance that someone out there is the cop. If he is the cop that means he either has no protection, a medic for protection, or the only protection he has is the jail keep, which renders him inert since he gets role blocked from that protection every night making him essentially just a normal townie. If he is cap and is getting role blocked by the jail keep, that means that he is trying to throw around extra weight that he doesn't really have either way simply by being blue. Being blue doesn't automatically give you better insight into anything, you need to use your abilities to have those insights. So throwing around weight because he is "cop" is actually fairly detrimental to town, and if he isn't cop, that means that he is also detrimental to town.
If there was another sane cop they should have come forward and got me lynched. A 1 for 1 in a 9 - 2 starting game is beyond worth it.
Secondly, what do you mean by throwing around weight? (also meant to ask what an albert is). This just sounds like you are trying to make my voice sound louder than in reality it is. There is next to no one in the thread that currently trusts me, yet you act like I have this power over town to just get you lynched with the snap of my fingers. You seem scared.
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On April 04 2012 05:20 omnomMuffins wrote:
I seem scared? I"m just pointing out behavior and facts that are attributed to you.
Look at your reactions to whenever the FOS goes to you.
You degrade the people pointing it, declare them mafia, seemingly purposefully misinterpret what people are saying and you immediately deflect. That does not seem like confident behavior, especially if you know you are cop.
The irony here is outstanding.
Can you point out where I degrade individuals (I'll call a whole group stupid after I have explained why) for FOS'ing me, because I think I just degrade their reasoning unlike yourself.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2012 09:46 omnomMuffins wrote:
I don't believe Kohbee is cop, whether he is playing an Albert
On April 03 2012 08:08 omnomMuffins wrote:
Kohbee shut your mouth please.
Either that or he is an Albert and is just really so obnoxious
He completely fails at reading comprehension
So suck it.
There is some serious irony in you saying that I declare people who FOS me mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2012 01:44 omnomMuffins wrote:
##Fourface
Don't really want to play with people with his attitude, it isn't helpful even if he is town. On April 03 2012 09:19 omnomMuffins wrote:
Anywho, going off of my post that I made, I will happily go with my gut.
##vote kohbee
Can you point out where I purposefully misinterpret what people are saying and immediately deflect... because I can find this with your posting?
+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2012 08:31 omnomMuffins wrote:
First you say, YOU SAY NOTHING SCUM!
Now you get all my reads and you say EVERYONE HAS SAID THAT ALREADY SCUM!
On April 03 2012 09:19 omnomMuffins wrote:
Why do you hate me so much seriously?
I just post that I don't believe you are cop, I post all my findings, and while not all of them are original, you just go after me?
I'm sorry I suck as an observer all right?
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On April 04 2012 06:02 omnomMuffins wrote:
Playing an Albert isn't degrading, it is just the term of a move, being calling cop no matter what.
Contradictions from you are not few and far between.
On April 04 2012 05:22 omnomMuffins wrote:
Oh and an Albert is a term from event TL Mafia, when played in person. There is a twitch.tv staff member who is notorious for being flat out stupid when playing, even when sober. Every game he claims cop, whether he is town, mafia, medic or actually cop. This leads to no one believing him no matter what. He does make the game amusing when played in person though.
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why include the part about him being flat out stupid if it has nothing to do with the definition of the term. You are back peddling, I read the entire post.
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On April 04 2012 06:20 KharadBanar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 06:11 Kohbee wrote:
why include the part about him being flat out stupid if it has nothing to do with the definition of the term. You are back peddling, I read the entire post. Maybe he calls him flat out stupid because Albert actually plays flat out stupid? I don't know that player but seeing as he claims cop every game it's definitely a possibility? Kohbee, I don't like to repeat myself but you seemed rather intelligent at the start of the game, and ever since your claim that sense of intelligence I'm getting from you has started to decline, reaching a temporary low just now. If you want to be the new FourFace, so be it, but prepare to get lynched right here and now. Please do yourself and town a favor and prove to us that you can actually provide helpful content instead of pages of The Eternal Flame War Extended Edition. It might get you enough cred with the other players that they rethink their scum reads on you, but at the moment you certainly don't look particularly pro-town.
So if omnom flips scum, will i still look less intelligent to you?
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Since noone else has any strong reads, can we get peoples opinions on things? Otherwise we will be forced into a chaotic last hour similar to the first night.
Strong, how do you feel about hiropro, solohan and marvel
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On April 04 2012 07:58 HiroPro wrote:Kohbee - On the first day of posting Marvel pressed you for your reads on town and you replied Show nested quote +There is no reason to post this. It will provide a kill list to scum. I would rather post this at the end of night deadline. Is there a reason that you never posted anything like this at the end of first night? I don't understand the examples that omnomMuffins brings up at all. While they may be interesting stories, they have absolutely nothing to do with the game we are in. This seems like a very scummy action to me because it draws attention away from actual posts and reads.
I did. It was an image of my google docs sheet. I also have posted a couple times on why people like marvel, kb and fourface are town.
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Hiro would you be so kind to post your reads on omnom, solohan and strong
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(non-aggressively) What are you waiting for to vote him?
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Can you elaborate on why you initially thought marvel was scum, and what you think about him now?
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Who I would like to hear from
KB - opinions on solohan, hiropro and marvel
Marvel - opinions on strong, omnom, and hiropro
Strong - opinions on hiropro, solohan and marvel
Solohan - opinions on hiropro, strong and marvel
Omnom - opinions on solohan, hiropro and KB
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I am 100% sure that Solohan50 is scum.
I am not 100% about omnom. More like 65%.
Solohan50 slipped here as I tried to point out.
On top of that, Kohbee spent the whole day trying to lynch a townie. When that failed, he roleclaimed and bandwagoned a townie right at the end of the day. On top of that, the townie he lynched was one of the most vocal anti-Kohbee players in the thread short of FourFace.
Can anyone honestly read this and say that he is talking about the same person in the first and second sentences? He is clearly talking about hiropro in the first sentence and therapist in the 2nd and 3rd. He knows that Hiropro is a townie because he is scum.
He then realizes this and tries to post this as an excuse
On April 03 2012 02:39 Solohan50 wrote:
I think it was pretty apparent by my post who I was referring to, but I'll reiterate it just for you, Kohbee. You were pushing for Therapist to get lynched, and you got it by bandwagoning him with your roleclaim.
weak OMGUS(at reading).
Also, in the off chance that he is not lying here and he is refering to therapist in the first sentence as well, his case is such forced garbage. To say I had spent the whole day trying to lynch Therapist is a straight up lie and the laziest case ever made (which he has now tried to carry to day2).
For proof. I had 2 posts about therapist being scum which were (as I have explained) more to shut him up about my vote on hiro.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 01 2012 03:38 Kohbee wrote:You were my second scum team member. Thanks for confirming with me On April 01 2012 03:55 Kohbee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 03:51 Therapist. wrote:
Kohbee tries to act like he's confirmed two scum in his mind from the start. Why would he be so aggressive in calling people out as scum so early in the game if he were not trying to lead people away from himself and his partner? Hiropro may very well be scum, I have no idea. I know I'm not. I think more people need to call out Kohbee and see what he's really made of. I don't talk to scum
Later on I even said we should be looking at marvel and strong (no mention of therapist)
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2012 05:10 Kohbee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 04:58 Solohan50 wrote:
Before the game started, Kohbee was overflowing at the mouth. He was posting lengthy diatribes while going back and forth with FourFace. Once the game started, however, he started with an immediate vote with very little reasoning. Two paragraphs about whether memes and SC2 jokes should be included in a game of Mafia, following by a ##vote with almost no explanation? I find this change of style very suspicious. He has continued the trend of talking very little throughout this thread, as well as flip-flopping on the vote and causing us to lose one of our big tell moments. Because of this, I'm casting my vote for Kohbee.
##Vote: Kohbee but i got what i wanted out of hiro which was a townie response. I haven't had much to say. I am thinking right now we should be voting marvel or strongandbig
then you can look at the rest of my posts "spending the whole day trying to lynch a townie"
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2012 05:37 Kohbee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 05:35 FourFace wrote:what the hell EBWOP: On April 02 2012 05:18 Mattchew wrote:
He reacted as I would as town.
Is that a scumslip? He reacted as you would if you were town, meaning you're scum? no. can we get back to talking about marvel and therapist QUOTE] On April 02 2012 05:20 Kohbee wrote:I KEEP FUCKING DOING THIS. OK LEAVING HIS ROOM quoting for filter On April 02 2012 05:18 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 05:15 FourFace wrote:
I think we can get back to the discussion now.
Would it be too late to start voting for Hiro? its not too late for anyone. I don't think hiro is scum and I think his reaction to my vote was that of one who doesn't care about being voted for. He reacted as I would as town. Marvel and the rapist should be who we are looking at On April 02 2012 05:49 Kohbee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 05:40 KharadBanar wrote:On April 02 2012 04:51 FourFace wrote:
FourFace: meh, you got nothing on me. But if you get something try not to talk gibberish and explain every aspect of your allegations like you're telling it to an alien from K-Pax. Saying stuff like I'm not consistent and that's a minor scumtell is just driving me nuts because I have to think for the guy who accused me.
Wait what? Are you accusing yourself? Or are you talking to me? And yes that's right, I got nothing on you. But not a strong town read either. It's entirely possible that a scum wants to get himself into the leading position of the town (I did this in one game IRL and it worked great). Also, your aggressive behaviour makes constructive argumentation not exactly easier. Now to some other things: At the moment I'm leaning Therapist, because he still hasn't gone off his Kohbee vote yet, whom I have marked as pretty townish in my mind. Kohbee: You stated that marvellosity and strongandbig are good vote targets. Care to elaborate? ##Vote: TherapistThis is not final yet, but I am too distracted to 100% think right now (LAN party -.-) tbh I don't have any strong scum reads. Mostly I have a few town reads who I will not let get lynched today. Other than that Idk, all 3 of strong marvel and therapist are good lynches imo today ##vote therapist
You can even see that I didn't even vote him till around 4 hours before lynch!
Solohan50 is scum
##unvote
##vote solohan50
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