EPTI am in Sum of All Fears Mafia, but because I'm on Spring Break, I'll have plenty of time for this also.
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MrZentor
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I am in Sum of All Fears Mafia, but because I'm on Spring Break, I'll have plenty of time for this also. | ||
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On April 01 2012 13:44 Mattchew wrote: also, we should pop palmar to the blue item and then pull him back to safety. with syllogism and VE here it shouldn't be too hard to tell if he is a good toy or bad. bedtime gn If we do that, we need to make sure it's really well planned out. We need to know who is going to vote for Palmar, so two people don't accidentally vote at the same time and push him over the edge. | ||
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1. Pushing Palmar to get the item is extremely risky. If we use scum to push him up there, they will have an excuse not to vote. If we use towns to push him to the item, the scum will have a proportionally higher votecount to the rest of town. Since we don't know much about who is scum and who isn't, except for that really weird dt check, we would probably have a mix of scum and town. Basically, I think we push Palmar to the item, we should go for a no lynch and instead vote on how the item will be used, or we could push Palmar with some votes, have all people do unofficial votes on who to kill, and force all people with remaining official votes to vote for that person. I will underline things worse than the lynch, italicize things just as good as the lynch, and bold things better than the lynch. This is assuming we vote on how it's used. A 1 shot medic kit - It can not be used on your self. It works for the following night and day cycle. A 1 shot gun - Can be used that same day or the following night. A magnifying glass = Reveals the alignment of 1 player to you. A Teleportation Device - Instantly swap positions with any player on the queue for that day only. A Refresher Orb that renews all PoPs for everyone and special abilities for the day phase. An Etch-A-Sketch that allows you target a player and draw them, thereby granting yourself a copy of their powers + your own. Mafia players can not copy powers from their allies. So we have a 50% chance of getting something worse than the lynch, 16.7% same, and 33.3% chance of better. 2. Random PoPing to Coordinated Poping. If we all push the person who we think is scummiest and pull the person who we think it most innocent, we will get good reads on each other, but the lynch might not be successful. If we have a "town leader" and coordinate our pushes on to one person, we won't get good reads on each other, but we will have a successful lynch. Right now I'd rather go for the random Poping, because I just died in a game in which Coordinated Poping lead to failure. On April 01 2012 20:52 Dirkzor wrote: Weird claim by BM. Believing it would make myself or Zentor scum i guess? So lets kill zentor? =) I don't understand why you would use your power now when you could have used it later to give so much more information. I don't think we should push anyone to the item and back. It could be worthless and as people have already said it removes reponsibility from the people doing the pushing/pulling. I find it odd that palmar wants to go for the item. Prplhz: How did you come the conclusion that Snarfs was in anyway confirmed town?!?! Mod confirmed makes even less sense then you just calling him confirmed town?! If you look at the starting positions and his claim, you'll see that he moved past snarf and VE and into the empty space. That's three moves. | ||
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Each person unofficially voting for somebody would be decided by themselves, so we can get a good read on each person. | ||
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On April 02 2012 01:05 Dirkzor wrote: You are going to make this a long game if all your posts are this hard to understand. Okay, let me try to explain this one more time. 1. If we want an innocent person to try to get the item, which I think is a bad idea now, but it might be a good idea later, then we need to make it so that mafia don't have a larger vote count proportionally to the town, because town used half of its votes to get the innocent person to the item and back. 2. To achieve this goal, we should have each person do an "unofficial PoP". This would allow us to get a good read on each person, and it would allow the town to have all of its votes; it would also force any mafia who helped get the innocent person to the item to back to give their reads. Then we would have all the people, who still have their PoPs, officially vote for the person we unofficially decided to kill. 3. I think this would be the best way to have an innocent person get the item and for us to still have the lynch. I hope I articulated this better than last time. | ||
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It's rash, and it forces others to clean up your mess. | ||
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I'm sorry I couldn't get on yesterday; a bunch of crazy IRL stuff came up. -.- Right now, I'm way behind in the reading, but once I'm done reading, I'll post my thoughts. | ||
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The first half of the day went pretty well. We discussed how we should vote, if Palmar should get the item, and a few suspicions. It started to fall apart when some people started pulling Palmar to the item before we had decided if that was a good idea. The second day was chaos. There were tons of roleclaims. People wasted their PoPs. Risk.nuke said at least one of sbrubbles, syllogism, and Cephiro was scum. Palmar got stuck at the top. The town got together and saved Palmar at the cost some PoPs. They tried to lynch the three people risk.nuke had said, but because they couldn't decide on who to kill, it was a no lynch. Finally, mafia got VE into the redzone. Now the mafia have another kill, and we don't have much information. We need to decide on what people we're going to kill before we start pushing them, so no PoPs get wasted. In fact, I don't want to see any PoPs on the first half of the day unless you're sure you won't be able to be there during the second half of the day, or we agreed to use some PoPs to get the item or to confirm a role claim. A PoP is best used near the end of the day, because it's when you have to most information. I probably sound like a huge hypocrite saying this when I didn't use my PoPs yesterday, but I had planned on being able to get on the computer yesterday, and the events that arose were unforeseeable. Of cephiro, syllogism, and sbrubbles, cephiro seems the most innocent. He has been extremely active and has been very cooperative. His overreaction to the idea of Palmar getting the item is a little suspicious. Sbrubbles started by lurking, but recently he has been active and made some good posts. Syllogism is the scummiest. He threw away his vote and spent several pages bickering with WBG. Right now I'm a little suspicious of Tobon; I'll probably post a case on him when I've had more time to digest the information. On April 04 2012 08:09 Acrofales wrote: EBWOP: MrZentor is back. Hope more activity means we can expect a clarification on why you didn't PoP. In case you missed my other post or the beginning of this post, I had a bunch of crazy stuff come up, so I didn't have access to a computer to PoP. | ||
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##push Cephiro Also, we should kill BL for obvious reasons. ##pull Bluelightz | ||
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On April 01 2012 13:42 Tobon wrote: Hiya, I too, am a good toy. How do we want to do this? There was an attempt at using a voting system in Death Factory 1 in order to help coordinate the pushes/pulls, but it fell by the wayside pretty quickly as toys started exploring using their powers. Can we start with a couple easy ground rules, like PoPing someone off the ends of the queue or into the fire zone is extremely anti-town without a majority in favor? He said this after WBG had claimed that he was a good toy with his first post. While this seems like something WBG would do, Tobon following his trend shows that he is afraid of doing something that differs from the norm. Also, it shows that he may already feel some guilt as scum. On April 02 2012 13:52 Tobon wrote: Already explained that I wasn't suggesting it, I was bringing it up to start discussion. In the same sentence that I "proposed" it, I also said that it failed to go anywhere. Just overly wordy on my part. The important point is that Palmar very likely has the entire queue flip once-per-game power. Yeah, so? I'd shrug and chalk this up to pressure except for the push. The push was completely wasteful. There's no feeling I've noticed on anyone else's part that I might be scum, so why would you throw away your push with more than 24 hours to go? Shouldn't you be trying to build a case or convince other people, while seeing what other people do as well, and then use your PoPs more productively nearer the deadline? As it is, this really comes across as an excuse to use up your push so you won't be responsible for going against majority town's choice when it comes. FoS: Nemesis. Tobon says he was just bringing up the idea of a secondary voting system to generate discussion but thought it was a bad idea. Why would you bring up an idea that you thought was bad? There are a ton of bad ideas out there and discussing something that you know is a bad idea is just a huge waste of time. On April 02 2012 14:23 Tobon wrote: BTW, at present I agree with VE's read and I'm fine with pushing Blue into the fire. I'd also be fine at this point with burning our lurkers. I'd just rather save my PoPs for closer to the end of day to see what more happens. I'm also provisionally believing BM, which means he, VE and Snarfs are provisionally town. I like Acrofales's filter so far, Cephiro's too, although I wish there was more of it. Null reads on others. More talk from more people needed. Come on good toys, more activity! He brings up another horrible idea, except this time he thinks it's a good idea. They already had several good suspects at that time, such as BL, so why would you spend your PoPs on killing lurkers? Killing lurkers should only be an option when you run out of suspects or when the lurker's few posts seem scummy. On April 04 2012 02:45 Tobon wrote: Um... what? If one of them dies and flips scum, we're that much closer to winning this thing. The point of the game, remember? (Total WIFOM time, but this post makes me doubt risk's claim for the first time. It's really dumb. It makes me wonder why the red light that we saw is a different one than the one in DFM1. Much less cop-esque. Much more evil-looking.) However: I think both Sburbbles and Syllo are scummy enough that I'd be perfectly happy with pulling off whichever one of the two ends up closest to the bottom of the queue when our placement is randomized at the beginning of day 2. He also doubts risk's claim. There is really no reason to doubt risk, because there hasn't been any information that goes against him or anything he claimed. It seems like Tobon is trying to instill doubt over risk's claim in order to save his scum buddy(s). On April 04 2012 13:38 Tobon wrote: Now, that having been said: Assuming that your power is some sort of swapping ability, so you end up safe and someone else ends up in the fire zone, doesn't it require the same number (well, similar number, since we don't know actual positions) of PoPs to get you there as it would require to get the presumed scum there? So is the advantage only that you get the item as well? Or is there something more clever going on here? And I suppose feel free not to answer if it reveals too much, I just want to know if we could fry scum with the same PoPs and save your power for a day when you could see what you were doing... He pushes Cephiro to reveal more about his role, which I don't think is necessary, because currently Cephiro seems like the most townie person, so we should trust him. All of these things make me suspect that Tobon is scum. On April 05 2012 07:30 wherebugsgo wrote: This is a great post by Zentor that does a whole lot of absolutely nothing. I agree that Zentor looks pretty bad and we should consider killing him as well. I disagree. It shows that I feel town should be more organized, how we should organize our PoPs, my stance on the risk detective thing, an explanation for my absence, one of my suspects, and a promise for a case on him. | ||
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On April 05 2012 09:05 Tobon wrote: "I am a good toy" is a scum tell? Mr.Zentor is one of the lurkers we should burn, yes. Risk.nuke (what little filter we have from him) is acting dumb. That makes me question my assumptions, yes. I explicitly tell Cephiro not to claim, I just wonder (as several of us have) whether it'd just be easier / more efficient to push scum directly. I'm not the only one who has been uncomfortable supporting a plan that I know no details of. It's too late for that now that he has gotten all the pushes, though - I'm ready to push him further (if necessary) as soon as we get updated. I stand behind all those quoted bits, and I think they are all obviously towny. Defending yourself before you're attacked and blindly following other people is a scum tell. Him not posting much isn't much of a reason to doubt him. You wanted more information on Cephiro; I know you didn't want him to all or claim(at least you said you didn't) You don't need to know the details of the plain if you trust Cephiro is town. | ||
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On April 05 2012 09:50 Tobon wrote: Isn't it interesting that MrZentor had plenty of time to write a long ramble-y nothing post (as wbg commented) and also enough time to troll through my filter to find me "feeling guilty" 18 freaking minutes into the start of the game, but didn't have enough time to read through the current thread and find all the instructions NOT to continue pushing Cephiro? Who is now frozen in possible danger? My push on him didn't even count, retard. You can act like scum 18 minutes into the game. | ||
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On April 05 2012 09:57 Cephiro wrote: You could not have known that it didn't count unless you were scum. So why are you trying to back yourself up with that claim? I thought it counted at the time, but I was pmed by the host that it didn't. | ||
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On April 07 2012 21:49 prplhz wrote: Okay we pull MrZentor off the board. If you don't know why then read his scum filter and then read town filter. Day1 he spent arguing so much about the Palmar-item plan that he forgot to even try to scum hunt and he didn't vote at all. Day2 he supported the Cephiro-item plan. His only attempt at scum hunting has been a half arsed case against Tobon while he accused people left and right in his town filter. His analysis doesn't look like town who found scum, but more like scum who doesn't want to take any responsibility. The case is safe as Tobon has already been pushed/tunneled for ages by Nemesis and a little by a couple of other people (including me). Before the Tobon case he says that syllogism looks scummiest of the risk.nuke check-trio, but instead he tries to push Tobon even though it doesn't look like he's really hooked on Tobon being scum with the conclusion "these things make me suspect that Tobon is scum". While the first part of this post looks like he cares about town, he never follows up on it. There's no frustration that day2 sucked because we didn't listen to his advice or any attempts at organizing town. Also, wherebugsgo thought he was scum and wherebugsgo is a good kid. ##Pull MrZentor I hate being misinterpreted. I REALLY hate being misinterpreted. Day1 he spent arguing so much about the Palmar-item plan that he forgot to even try to scum hunt and he didn't vote at all. I spent the first half of day one trying to explain why the Palmar item-plan was a horrible plan. You can't do much to hunt scum on the first day, besides tunneling, which I hate, so I had planned on scum hunting during the second half of the day. I also was planning on voting, but irl things came up, as I have said countless times. Day2 he supported the Cephiro-item plan. His only attempt at scum hunting has been a half arsed case against Tobon while he accused people left and right in his town filter. I supported the Cephiro-item plan, because it would give us an item and kill a scum. Cephiro also seemed to think he wouldn't be affected by the nullify ability. When I made my first post, Tobon seemed really scummy, so I promised to make a case on him. Later on he seemed less scummy, but I felt compelled to make the case because I said I would. I have two people who I think are scum, besides syllogism. I just like watching the people without telling them, so they make mistakes, which makes it easier to prove that they're scum. Also, which town filter are you using? I purposely acted like scum as town in one of my games Before the Tobon case he says that syllogism looks scummiest of the risk.nuke check-trio, but instead he tries to push Tobon even though it doesn't look like he's really hooked on Tobon being scum with the conclusion "these things make me suspect that Tobon is scum". I thought it was pretty obvious Syllogism was by far the scummiest player; I just thought it would be good to have somebody else to kill after syllogism. While the first part of this post looks like he cares about town, he never follows up on it. There's no frustration that day2 sucked because we didn't listen to his advice or any attempts at organizing town. I let day two go, because it wasn't really town's fault that there was chaos(darkness), unlike day one, when town was just retarded. I do expect much better organization today. Also, wherebugsgo thought he was scum and wherebugsgo is a good kid. <3 WBG ##Pull MrZentor It really seems quite rash to pull me on the first page of day three, before you even let me respond. Wouldn't it have been better to wait until the second half of today before pulling anybody, so you can get more information on people and pull actual scum? <insert disappoint face here > | ||
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On April 07 2012 23:23 prplhz wrote: 1: What did I misinterpret? 2: Your town filter disagrees with this. You are trying to be active and help town in that. 3: And I'm in no way saying that you're lying about that and that makes you scum. Fact is that you weren't here and that's what I have to relate to. It is more likely that scum don't vote/PoP than it is that town don't vote/PoP (because scum mostly don't care as long as we're not lynching any of them and they have team mates to see to any unforeseen circumstances) so the fact that you didn't bother to be around makes you more scummy. 4: This is pretty good. You are writing a case on somebody, not because you felt that they were scummy but because you had promised town a case on that person. That's quite scummy. 5: But you didn't do anything. You're saying that you like to sit and watch but this is day3 and you only ever attacked Tobon and that was pretty half arsed. 6: I posted a link to a filter. You can't act scum as town, because you're not scum as town. You can't dismiss my case as an invalid meta argument just because I refer a little to a filter. Also, you did what? 7: So what is it, did you make the case on Tobon because you wanted another lynch after syllogism or because you thought Tobon was more scummy than syllogism? I'd love to hear what you found out while watching but you probably found out that you weren't really being attacked so there was no reason to post in the thread. 1. You misinterpreted my actions as being scum actions. 2. The only reason I could hunt scum first day in that scenario is because Acrofales overreacted to Matthew tunneling him. We didn't have somebody overreact to a vote on the first day of this game. 3. It wasn't that I didn't "bother to be around." I had an emergency event. Also, I think scum would be more likely to vote than a non scum in that scenario. Since most people are voting and it doesn't matter who you kill, why shouldn't you act like you think one of them is scum and vote for them? Not PoPing in this game is a good way to get noticed, and mafia don't want to get noticed. 4. I did think he seemed scummy to some extent.(around 65%) It's just that I didn't think he was as scummy as I thought he was when I first posted. 5. So you're saying that I didn't attack Syllogism? 6. First, let me give you the definition of act I'm using, as you seem to not understand: to pretend; feign: Act interested even if you're bored. As town, I pretended to be mafia in that game, so if you're saying I'm not acting like that, you're saying I'm not acting like scum.(It seemed like a good idea at the time to act like scum.) In one of my last posts in that game, I prove that I was purposely pretending to be scum. 7. I don't think it's possible for anybody to look scummier than Syllogism. I thought it would be to have another lynch after Syllogism. | ||
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On April 08 2012 00:12 prplhz wrote: So Mattchew is clearly town. 1: No I didn't. They're scummy. 2: So nothing scummy happened the first day? 3: Sorry for saying that, what I meant was that when other stuff happens, townies often feel a lot more responsible to the other townies than scum do (such as virtu in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IX), it's just a general trend. It sucks if you really had an emergency and couldn't be around but I can only relate to what I see in the thread. 4: Okay. This is still your only contribution. 5: I'm saying that it was nothing compared to how you attacked Tobon. 6: I was just baffled that you acted scum as town. Again, you can't just dismiss me as only arguing with meta. 7: Okay I should think this over. Don't really know if it makes sense for scum not to just push syllogism at that point. You still didn't find out anything while you were watching us. 1. They're not for reasons listed below. 2. Day one was just a huge mess. It's impossible to tell what's scummy and what's not because of the chaos with Palmar's plan, risk's claim, and a bunch of other stuff. I'm sure something scummy happened the first day; it's just nearly impossible to separate it from everything else. 3. I felt I did all I could given my conditions to help town on day one, which is why I don't feel any responsibility for the death day one. I'm just frustrated that town basically did the opposite of what they should have done and what I said to do, e.g. pushing Palmar to the item and throwing their PoPs away. 4. I had tons of other contributions. 5. Well, I couldn't really say much on Syllogism, because everything against him had been posted several times. 6. I'm just saying that in that game, I acted like scum, so you can't say I'm scum for not acting like that. 7. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. | ||
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On April 09 2012 00:31 prplhz wrote: Hey guys the lynch is in like 12 hours and we have tons of stuff to do. There are at least 6 people who have said that Mr. Wiggles is scummy so start pulling him off the board, and then follow up with MrZentor. I really doubt we're going to reach consensus on another push lynch (since people tend to favor Mattchew who looks pretty town to me) so maybe we should just push syllogism off the edge. We don't want another no lynch today, please. So you're going to try to kill me even though I've shown why I'm not scummy? | ||
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On April 09 2012 09:50 Mattchew wrote: what? I was no where near him. Lol my power can only be used on people around me. I told everyone this the whole time. Stop being stupid ![[image loading]](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/423/untitle.JPG){kind=icon} | ||
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Says the guy who admitted to having the power that pushed VE into the fire. You're both. | ||
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On April 09 2012 10:57 Mattchew wrote: I have said all along that to use my power I need to be touching the person (1above, 1below, or on the same spot) to use my power. I was never near VE. I also pushed him to help him save palmar. Please stop being ignorant and unintelligent. Also, I clearly used my power on syllo. Its an anonymous power that I announced. How do we know you're not just making up this limitation to appear innocent? So you're saying scum hasn't bussed syllo yet? | ||
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Want to know why? Grammar. | ||
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On April 09 2012 13:03 Mattchew wrote: oh and zentor, you suck and i really hope your scum grammar nazi the shit outta you're, your, because in reality on an internet forum it doesn't matter as long as the receiver understands the message. You pick on grammar cause your argument is wrong. This makes you either scum or really really really stupid Wow, he really is mad. | ||
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On April 09 2012 13:07 Mattchew wrote: Yes. I am mad I signed up for another game with you. Wont make that mistake again I was just trolling you; I honestly never thought you would get this angry. We cool bro? | ||
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You do like flowers, don't you? | ||
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On April 09 2012 13:13 Mattchew wrote: oh so you admit you don't care about the game. and now you are back peddling cause I was mean. idc about your apology I am hoping for you to be scum. I care about the game; I thought making you angry would be a good way to get a read on you. If it helps any, I'm pretty confident that you're town, and if I had the ability to save you, I would. <3 | ||
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The odds are in our favor. | ||
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We're killing snarfs, Mr. Wiggles, and Acrofales tomorrow. | ||
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We'll kill you quickly if you give us your scum buddies. | ||
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On April 09 2012 13:25 Snarfs wrote: I told prplhz to leapfrog me back >.> Why didn't he listen... BECAUSE I AM HIS PARTNER AND YOU ARE A LIAR SCUM MAFIA PERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BURN THE WITCH!!!! | ||
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If you are not a fool, you will have seen that I and my mason buddies have been attacked by the malicious and vicious mafia known as snarfs. BE NOT AFRAID! We will see to it that this criminal and his friends are swiftly killed by lady justice. Do not try to stop our quest for victorious justice or we will be forced to harness the wrath of justice to kill you, slowly. I really like justice. In short, those who defy our mighty power will be thrown among the corpses of the criminals. Good day! | ||
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Let's do it. | ||
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I feel kind of bad about getting prphlz killed, but he seemed really scummy, and we're going to win anyways. Okay, if you aren't scum or stupid, join us masons in killing Acrofales, snarfs, and Mr Wiggles tomorrow. We will kill anybody who tries to stop us. What is all of this talk about conceding? We've got this game in the bag! | ||
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On March 31 2012 07:33 Snarfs wrote: I On March 31 2012 07:33 Snarfs wrote: am On April 01 2012 14:57 Snarfs wrote: scum He's been breadcrumbing his role the whole time!!! Since Acrofale is defending him, he's mafia too!!! Mr wiggles is obviously scum. | ||
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I was really surprised Cascades and I didn't get lynched. I made one horrible case. I couldn't manage to do anything else but reiterate that I thought syllogism was scummy. It's really difficult to make a case against somebody if you know that they're innocent. >.< | ||
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