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On April 04 2012 14:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
What I'm wondering right now is whether it's better to trust you and push you toward the item or push someone I think is scum.
First of all, you aren't confirmed town until you die. (if syllo flips scum it's actually still remotely possible you're scum as well, though I find that extraordinarily unlikely). As syllo hasn't flipped yet, what I'd rather do is kill syllo first, then determine whether or not you're trustworthy.
Problem with this? Problem is rule 15.
15. Dead player's roles and alignment are not revealed until the end of the day phase. It makes things harder for us, unfortunately.
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On April 04 2012 14:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hey risk.nuke, do you get to use your power again today?
If we can, we should put some people we want to check into next to him, and get him to check. We could also 1-1 trade syllo or Ceph by checking them alone to get the scum, and then if the one determined to be scum flips town, flipping risk.nuke. Unless they're a miller, I don't see a reason for them to appear as scum on day 1, if risk is telling the truth.
And how exactly do we know who is next to him?
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On April 04 2012 14:10 Ace wrote:
A couple of things (I'll update the day post with it):
Queue positions 19 - 24 are lethal. Position 21 holds an item.
Okay. 3 fewer toys (so we presumably get distributed more towards the middle). 2 extra ouchy spots. We are very likely looking at 2-7 pushes to get someone to the fire, 4-9 to the item. 7-12 pulls to go off the back end.
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If someone gets to the Item Box, are we informed publicly, or does only that toy get told?
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On April 04 2012 14:14 Cephiro wrote:
I am volunteering to be pushed all the way to spot 24. Like Bugs, I'm now hesitating. Why 3 more spots past the item? I can't think why that wouldn't just be 3 wasted pushes that could be used for scum hunting.
(if my guesstimates are right, Nemesis's 3-push alone gives me a 6/17 chance of being in the fire right now.)
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On April 04 2012 14:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Anyone have a problem with the push Cephiro, pull Tobon/Bluelightz plan?
Pulling me is bad just from a practical standpoint. Thanks to my nemesis, I almost surely require more pulls than anyone else.
If not Syllo, why not pull Mr.zentor? I think he's scum as well, and opinions seem to be mixed about Blue (although I'd be willing to pull him also).
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I actually think the darkness tends to make Blue look a bit more towny, in the same way that Palmar's nullification made him more towny. Scum acted to make his power useless.
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On April 04 2012 14:39 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 14:36 Tobon wrote:On April 04 2012 14:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Anyone have a problem with the push Cephiro, pull Tobon/Bluelightz plan? Pulling me is bad just from a practical standpoint. Thanks to my nemesis, I almost surely require more pulls than anyone else. This sounds like fearmongering. Trying to convince us it's not worth our pulls to kill you rather than convincing us you're not scum. This is a scum tactic. Please don't use it if you're town.
It isn't fearmongering, it is merely logic.
As far as I can see, there hasn't actually been a case made that I'm scum. (Besides Nemesis's tunneling that I answered yesterday). If I had something to answer, I'd answer it. Meanwhile, I'm helping town however I can.
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On April 04 2012 14:57 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 14:54 Snarfs wrote:
Cephiro, do you actually know something here? You use that word a lot. I know that syllogism is Evil. I am as certain as I can be that prplhz is Evil also. (But I cannot back this up to a modconfirmed extent yet.)
Are you claiming to have some alignment revealing power, then? And if so, how could you possibly have more powers that involve moving into the fire and then saving yourself and then also getting a scum kill?
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Not my first choice, but ok:
##Pull Bluelightz
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On April 04 2012 15:27 Cephiro wrote:
So, you up for initiating the plan to push me towards the incineration zone while waiting for others to arrive?
Still not seeing the advantage of you doing this over just pushing scum, especially since you want to go to row 24, which requires lots more pushes. I'll sleep on it.
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Worst thing town can do today is split up PoPs and not lynch any potential scum. Which is why people should pull Bluelightz.
By this logic, you should probably also push me, even though I'm town. Personally I'd prefer that we all push Syllo.
I read Cephiro as town, but I'm getting less and less enthused about his plan, just because we're so much in the dark (literally and figuratively) and I don't want to potentially mess things up. With this setup and all these powers, simpler is better. Push scum.
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On April 05 2012 02:54 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 02:47 Tobon wrote:
Worst thing town can do today is split up PoPs and not lynch any potential scum. Which is why people should pull Bluelightz. So are you going to pull Bluelightz?
Already did, here: link
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On April 05 2012 03:34 layabout wrote:
Why on earth has Bluelightz received more PoP's than syllo?
Because of this:
On April 04 2012 00:55 layabout wrote:
Bluelightz if you actually use that power we should lynch you.
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On April 05 2012 05:17 Snarfs wrote:
Since we can't conditional PoP, should we wait for Ace to post updates before we push? That way we'd know if Cephiro might have got the item yet or not.
I don't think Cephiro could have started in the fire (#19), and he has 2 pushes now. So at closest, he maybe could've gone from 17 to 19? I think it should still be safe / a good idea for Nemesis to push next (and to go ahead and do it), and then wait for an update.
I'll push after an update and after giving warning.
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EBWOP: I suppose it's possible he started in 18 and a Nemesis push would skip him over the item, but I don't think it's actually possible that any toy would be randomly placed that far up.
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um. okay, stop with the pushing until we get an update, please?
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@Cephiro: This is necessarily vague and roundabout since I don't know exactly what you intend. If there is any point at which your plan is dependent on getting out of the fire once you are in there and relocation would be helpful, remember that I offered safety from VE potentially being fried on day 1.
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No more pushes yet! We don't know exactly how many are needed, and we certainly don't want Cephiro falling off the front before he does whatever he plans to do.
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Yeah, we're definitely into scum trying to get Cephiro knocked off the front territory here.
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