The Sum of All Fears Mafia

On March 22 2012 20:15 Bluelightz wrote:
Oh, I'd love if the deadline was 5 kst ^^

On March 27 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Perhaps. Perhaps not. I noticed that you didn't give an opinion one way or the other C_C, is there a reason you don't want to commit to a stance?

On March 27 2012 07:43 EchelonTee wrote:
Hi CC ! At school bbl

Policy lynch is teh sux

On March 27 2012 07:44 johnnywup wrote:

like you would make a stance 2 posts in a game, VE?

On March 27 2012 13:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Maybe he's just a town player who didn't think things through carefully and worded his posts ambiguously (in an attack that is fundamentally about wording posts).

On March 27 2012 10:13 Nemesis wrote:

Do you mind posting something coherent?


This is a rather crappy post. Town SHOULD always take a stance. If your stance change throughout the game, then you just have to explain why it changed. Scum are the only one who should fear taking stances, as they can get caught when their explanation doesn't match with their stance.

On March 28 2012 03:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I seem to be getting a lot of flak for that soviet flag.

Why did I post it?
I was going to post it regardless of pm.
As for my stances
##Vote Bluelightz

On March 27 2012 09:33 Bluelightz wrote:
Err, I'm here guys like everyone else, I don't like policy lynches.

Busting out some early reads,VE is town because he has been active and pushing discussion :D

On March 27 2012 18:32 Bluelightz wrote:
Reads, Reads!

Blazinghand ---> Catapaulted to very sure is townie from his recent posting(Active, Pressuring people, etc) and being funny and awesome in starcraft ^_^

Some random summaries

MrZentor --> Has been following Discussion, has not provided any reads, I'd love some reads from him.

gonzaw --> Has followed discussion, setup speculation, I'd love some reads and more content from him .

ET --> Townie, has followed discussion pressed people to post, preety townie

C_C ---> Needs to step up, he has nothing of substance, has not taken a stance on anything yet, I want reads, willing to lynch depending on what he post's next.

On March 27 2012 15:12 Bluelightz wrote:
I agree with your points Sinensis, He didnt explain his votes in any way, espescially the one on Nemesis, Johhnys points are also sound, I will also be watching him for anything.

On March 27 2012 21:55 Bluelightz wrote:
IMO, froggy dont be a new Jackal58 XD,





Hmm, so who would be more worrying? A TOTALLY Inactive person or a person that has posted.

On March 27 2012 22:27 Bluelightz wrote:
His response:

You haven't asked or directed anything towards me so what am I supposed to say? It's only the first day, no need to get accusatory. While Blazinghand is being aggressive and a little narcissistic, it's just to stimulate conversation, I don't think he's scum.

Me:

wtf? I push targets I feel scummy and you are one, Day One is same like any other day but the fact that we have no info to go bye, You still seem scummy because you have no substance, NOTHING.

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Well theres my response Zelblade(Random question but If I could shorten your name how could I do it?) And, what's your opinion on this as well?

On March 28 2012 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote:


My responses to your bluelightz case are bolded. You're going to be lynched today, if you're town you'd better come up with some better reasoning than this if you expect to save yourself.

I expected more C_C. I am dissapoint.

On March 28 2012 06:53 slOosh wrote:


I'm taking back this question, it makes sense after catching up.
Did a rough read of the thread so far - I don't see anything too conclusive from the BH talks.

As for C_C, still waiting for him to post something.
I've looked at gonzaw and I do agree with this post from VE,.
(From what I understand) He thinks Bluelightz is scum but he hasn't actually posted a case on him.


Gonzaw could you just post the case on him instead of asking people to look at him?

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I didn't say that the current candidates weren't good / bad - I just wanted more discussion / information to make better decisions. I think we should consolidate upon the pool of candidates so that we can focus discussion, so I'm evaluating the current candidates instead of bringing up more.

By night time (when I can post in detail) I hope both C_C and gonzaw will have put up more stuff to work with.

On March 27 2012 14:55 Sinensis wrote:
While I'm at it, here is what I think of johnnywup:

I think he is ballsy to go after BlazingHand because BlazingHand is seemingly going after anyone who will pay him any attention. I don't think a mafia player would go after BlazingHand, because doing so risks being in the spotlight; BlazingHand being a very aggressive player at the moment.

On March 28 2012 08:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
johnny, I know you're not beyond reason. Allow me to share this with you:

C_C's Filter from L

Just peruse the first few pages and then come back in here and say that again with a straight face.

He doesn't give a shit about finding scum in this game, and is only posting enough to alleviate suspicion (see: yourself). He's being intentionally thick in regards to his case (unwilling to even comment on my rebuttal) and he's being intentionally vague about his reasoning behind posting the flag he posted in his first post.

Look again johnny: I think you've got a good thing goin there with ET, but we can only lynch one at a time and presently C_C has the most support.

On March 28 2012 08:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
This was my initial case, which was strong enough as it was. Indications from C_C's first two posts:

• Nationality Fishing
• underhanded shit-slinging
• Afraid to draw attention to himself
• Selectively responding to posts

Ever since then, he's only strengthened my case: go look at his case on Bluelightz, it's laughably bad. I responded to every point and all he had to say to that was "Awww, he's defending him". He's not interested in finding scum with us, and he's doing a piss-poor job of pretending to be interested in helping us.

On March 28 2012 11:28 johnnywup wrote:
why would you include nationality in the c_c?

On March 28 2012 11:56 Sinensis wrote:


It is the combination of the flag and the graphic, and the fact that he is segregating names in his graphic based on nationality.

On March 28 2012 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's nationality-fishing BH, what don't you understand about that? He's trying to trick people into giving away what nationality they are. This helps scum and does not help town in the slightest...he's caught scum and he's trolling the fuck out of everyone.

On March 28 2012 12:12 Sinensis wrote:


C_C, the "soviet scientist's," posts would have me beg to differ.

On March 28 2012 12:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cyber_Cheese, gonzaw, EchelonTee, Blazinghand

GG scum.

If your name is on this list and you're town, you need to be doing something different. When C_C flips scum, we're just LYNCHIN DOWN THE LIIIIIIINE unless something changes.

BH is last because of anyone he's putting in the most effort. I reward effort with asylum...but my patience only goes so far.

On March 28 2012 12:44 Blazinghand wrote:


Does this look like a guy trying to help the town atmosphere, or is this a guy trying to cement is town rep and dissuade people from turning against him? This is NOT how you help the town.

On March 28 2012 12:49 Blazinghand wrote:


This seems far more purposeful than something by accident. Threatening anyone who disagrees with him with lynching? That's not an accident. Saying I claimed scum then abandoning the thread? That's not an accident. VE is perfectly capable of playing a high-post-count scum, and that's what he's doing now.

Here's my new pictorial analysis of the game:

On March 28 2012 20:54 froggynoddy wrote:
Hey, sorry I haven't been contributing nearly as much as I should, the reasons for this are:

1. Have been busy with uni
2. VE scares me and generally I'm finding it very difficult this game to provide much analysis as I'll explain below.

The reasons VE scares me (this does not mean necessarily that I think he is scum) are based on the one game I have played till the end (Werewolves II) i.e. when Palmar single-handedly destroyed town and another scum team. How did he do this? Similarly to how VE is acting now. I wouldn't go so far as 'terrorising' but he's establishing himself as a central town leader. As far as I know town should not have leaders, particularly not this early in the game when player's alignments are at their least certain. In my eyes good townies should 1. provoke reactions in the hope of catching tells/slips and 2. build cases and argue them logically without a. resorting to threats b.buddying up to people c.switch their vote to a target other than the target whom they think is most likely scum UNLESS their is no other way for town to lynch.

Now whilst VE has done some of these things, he's also asked people's opinions on various players (a majority of us here in fact) which is obv good for town. What I don't like is his buddying up with JW:


and


I don't like his changing his vote to ET as its pretty clear he thinks the best lynch is C_C. He says this in his defence:



I don't think its a good town move to compromise nearly 24hours before deadline when theres still a he can do to convince JW and the rest of us in C_C's case.That said, he seemed on tilt, and non-contributors (such as myself) can only make things more difficult generally.

What I'm trying to say is this: the most pro-town thing to do is argue for who you believe is the most likely to be scum, as this early in the game any compromise is likely to backfire and you end up lynching townie when if you'd had stuck to your guns and argued your case then town would have had a better town lynching scum.

For example, BH thinks C_C is scum but thinks JW is moreso, so he's pushing for who he believes is the most likely scum, which IMHO is good town play. If he were to deny town a lynch due to his refusing to compromise, this becomes very scummy.

Finally I don't like this:



This sounds like he's inviting scum to hide in the bus. Which, he might turn around and say that he is scumhunting, the problem with this logic is that C_C and VE's case on C_C is genuinely the strongest case at this point in time, so your trap, if it is one, is likely to backfire.

VE is leading town, if he is townie then if we rely to much on him and mafia kill him than town is likely to crumble. If he is scum... well... we're pretty much screwed.

At this point in time, as previously mentioned, the case on C_C seems the strongest and the two players who have contributed the most to finding scum (BH and VE) both have have C_C as scum, despite their apparent argument.

Until I can find a better case (I hope to do so but unfortunately, am new and am finding day 1 reads to be pretty flimsy) I'm going to:

##Vote Cyber_Cheese

On March 29 2012 07:02 Blazinghand wrote:
You know, the least he could have done was posted a final analysis post like I asked. cccalf being replaced, by the way, does not change the fact that he is straight up lurking. I don't like him. I don't like him at all.

On April 04 2012 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
I really don't know what's up with me and finding scum these days. Like you guys just jump out at me.

gg srsly. Thx Hosts for game - was fun. I think it was a little balanced in favor of scum though.

On April 04 2012 08:10 Probulous wrote:
Can someone explain to me how soft-claiming your nationality is fishing? Yeah it makes it easier for scum to reach their alternate win condition but how does it make sense as scum? I mean people aren't going to straight up claim their nationality just because you do?

I didn't understand that part of the case and it seemed to be what got everyone off side with C_C. I had the impression he was playing "badly" so as to survive the night. He is a relative veteran in this game and so for day 1 it wasn't a terrible strategy. Of course VE went full throttle and that sealed the deal.

Were there four blues in this game? If so that gives scum a 40% chance of nuke success night 1. Pretty high if you ask me.

On April 04 2012 08:21 EchelonTee wrote:
Also felt bad for C_C getting lynched. Ur still my original scum bro <3

On April 04 2012 08:24 Probulous wrote:
Yeah that is not good enough to lynch someone. To me it was either a dumb joke (given it was a chinese flag) or it was a soft-claim. All that does is make his nationality clear. Well that makes it easier for scum to kill his team and probably would keep him alive overnight. As scum it makes sense to keep people alive who's nationality you know. You can then shoot into the unknowns 50/50 and if they shot an SU they only need to find one more to win.

I mean all it does it make him a little more secure overnight, or possibly insecure if a SU was lynched. I don't see how scum could use soft-claiming as a way of outing people. The case made no sense as it was mostly based off of this assumption that somehow soft-claiming is scummy.

On April 04 2012 20:26 froggynoddy wrote:


Yeah I honestly believe that MrZ, Sinensis and to a lesser degree C_C went against this:



Thus fucking up any clean reads we could have made on them. However I realise I really wasn't the most pro-active player, but this will hopefully change as I become more confident in playing the game.

On April 05 2012 02:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
Agreed with VE on this one.

Maybe CC just rolls too much scum :p

(I didn't read much, but from what little I did see I was curious as to how scum were doing so well compared to town)

Recently it seems teams are being carried more by individual efforts while mostly everyone else is as good as a bag of bricks. That's how it was in Storm for both teams, and that's how it was in the mini I hosted as well. For both sides of a team-based game it's a losing proposition to give up or stop trying.