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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 22:23:08
March 23 2012 21:16 GMT
#36
oh man, so /in!

also this
On March 22 2012 20:15 Bluelightz wrote:
Oh, I'd love if the deadline was 5 kst ^^


Edit for below: 8 KST would be a good alternative.
I'm usually awake till the former on my days off, and finish work slightly before the latter.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 26 2012 22:41 GMT
#107
[image loading]
Alright boys, lets do this.

On March 27 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote:

ATTENTION SCUM! IT WILL BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO PUT ME ON THE BACK FOOT IMMEDIATELY! IF YOU ATTEMPT TO HIDE I WILL FIND YOU!

Something about this seems suss. Compensating for some sort of guilt perhaps?
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 26 2012 22:49 GMT
#112
On March 27 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Perhaps. Perhaps not. I noticed that you didn't give an opinion one way or the other C_C, is there a reason you don't want to commit to a stance?


As town, it's hard to stay with a solid stance. Games change, and ultimately these little things never seem to come up anyway. As mafia, having a solid stance and sticking with it is basically a free pass.
Ultimately, 'lurking' and 'lying' are only a fraction of a persons play.

However, if it's a stance you want:
In my experience, the moment you bother lynching the lurkers is the moment you know mafia are in control of the game, especially if it's done sooner.
If we can conclusively prove someone was lying, that person should be suspect in the first place, and automatically be rated higher than lurkers.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 26 2012 22:51 GMT
#113
On March 27 2012 07:43 EchelonTee wrote:
Hi CC ! At school bbl

Policy lynch is teh sux

Howdy :D

On March 27 2012 07:44 johnnywup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Perhaps. Perhaps not. I noticed that you didn't give an opinion one way or the other C_C, is there a reason you don't want to commit to a stance?

like you would make a stance 2 posts in a game, VE?

1) Why are you defending me? Buddy up much?
2) if you're going to make a stance, do it sooner rather than later.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 27 2012 05:25 GMT
#174
On March 27 2012 13:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Maybe he's just a town player who didn't think things through carefully and worded his posts ambiguously (in an attack that is fundamentally about wording posts).


'If he's town' is good for setting up a safe escape when a mafia lead lynch goes badly, but townies shouldn't need an escape.
This is a slippery slope that scum love. Lets try to lynch scum, and settle for nothing less k?

On March 27 2012 10:13 Nemesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 08:19 zelblade wrote:
Blabla no lynch bad blahblah

In sch post mre ltr

Do you mind posting something coherent?

Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 07:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On March 27 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Perhaps. Perhaps not. I noticed that you didn't give an opinion one way or the other C_C, is there a reason you don't want to commit to a stance?


As town, it's hard to stay with a solid stance. Games change, and ultimately these little things never seem to come up anyway. As mafia, having a solid stance and sticking with it is basically a free pass.
Ultimately, 'lurking' and 'lying' are only a fraction of a persons play.

However, if it's a stance you want:
In my experience, the moment you bother lynching the lurkers is the moment you know mafia are in control of the game, especially if it's done sooner.
WIFOM
If we can conclusively prove someone was lying, that person should be suspect in the first place, and automatically be rated higher than lurkers.
Thanks for stating the obvious.

This is a rather crappy post. Town SHOULD always take a stance. If your stance change throughout the game, then you just have to explain why it changed. Scum are the only one who should fear taking stances, as they can get caught when their explanation doesn't match with their stance.


Ideally, yes. In practice, this kills town atmosphere because everyone is afraid to post.
Example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=296791
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 27 2012 18:47 GMT
#284
I seem to be getting a lot of flak for that soviet flag.

Why did I post it?
I was going to post it regardless of pm.
As for my stances
##Vote Bluelightz
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 27 2012 18:58 GMT
#285
On March 28 2012 03:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I seem to be getting a lot of flak for that soviet flag.

Why did I post it?
I was going to post it regardless of pm.
As for my stances
##Vote Bluelightz

Preparing a decent explaination of my stance on him and a couple of others now, just throwing it out there in advance to give you more time to discuss
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 27 2012 19:14 GMT
#288
On March 27 2012 09:33 Bluelightz wrote:
Err, I'm here guys like everyone else, I don't like policy lynches.

Busting out some early reads,VE is town because he has been active and pushing discussion :D


Put simply, why should he feel the need to state he's like everyone else?

On March 27 2012 18:32 Bluelightz wrote:
Reads, Reads!

Blazinghand ---> Catapaulted to very sure is townie from his recent posting(Active, Pressuring people, etc) and being funny and awesome in starcraft ^_^

Some random summaries

MrZentor --> Has been following Discussion, has not provided any reads, I'd love some reads from him.

gonzaw --> Has followed discussion, setup speculation, I'd love some reads and more content from him .

ET --> Townie, has followed discussion pressed people to post, preety townie

C_C ---> Needs to step up, he has nothing of substance, has not taken a stance on anything yet, I want reads, willing to lynch depending on what he post's next.


Pointing out townies and asking for discussion isn't as helpful as it seems.

On March 27 2012 15:12 Bluelightz wrote:
I agree with your points Sinensis, He didnt explain his votes in any way, espescially the one on Nemesis, Johhnys points are also sound, I will also be watching him for anything.


Blatant buddying. He also shouldn't need to state that he's watching for suspicious posts, because townies should be doing it anyway.

On March 27 2012 21:55 Bluelightz wrote:
IMO, froggy dont be a new Jackal58 XD,


Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 20:53 zelblade wrote:
I also dont like how bluelightz decides to call cccalf out of all the lurkers (myself included thanks to school) at that point in time.

So, bluelightz, why him? Me and froggy posted one post each filled with useless crap (at that time), zentor and probably a few others didnt do much either. Any particular reason to call out the newbie?



Hmm, so who would be more worrying? A TOTALLY Inactive person or a person that has posted.

On March 27 2012 22:27 Bluelightz wrote:
His response:

You haven't asked or directed anything towards me so what am I supposed to say? It's only the first day, no need to get accusatory. While Blazinghand is being aggressive and a little narcissistic, it's just to stimulate conversation, I don't think he's scum.

Me:

wtf? I push targets I feel scummy and you are one, Day One is same like any other day but the fact that we have no info to go bye, You still seem scummy because you have no substance, NOTHING.




Well theres my response Zelblade(Random question but If I could shorten your name how could I do it?) And, what's your opinion on this as well?


Does anything about that post suggest he's pushing scum to anyone?

Combine those with the fact he's already getting called pro-town by a bunch of people.
Conclusion: Scum.


Also of particular interest to me are Gonzaw and Johnnywup.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 27 2012 21:51 GMT
#295
On March 28 2012 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 04:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On March 27 2012 09:33 Bluelightz wrote:
Err, I'm here guys like everyone else, I don't like policy lynches.

Busting out some early reads,VE is town because he has been active and pushing discussion :D


Put simply, why should he feel the need to state he's like everyone else?

On March 27 2012 18:32 Bluelightz wrote:
Reads, Reads!

Blazinghand ---> Catapaulted to very sure is townie from his recent posting(Active, Pressuring people, etc) and being funny and awesome in starcraft ^_^

Some random summaries

MrZentor --> Has been following Discussion, has not provided any reads, I'd love some reads from him.

gonzaw --> Has followed discussion, setup speculation, I'd love some reads and more content from him .

ET --> Townie, has followed discussion pressed people to post, preety townie

C_C ---> Needs to step up, he has nothing of substance, has not taken a stance on anything yet, I want reads, willing to lynch depending on what he post's next.


Pointing out townies and asking for discussion isn't as helpful as it seems. Neither is pointing out that fact. However, he stated that he's willing to lynch you which you seem to have glazed over. That, by definition, is as helpful as it seems.

On March 27 2012 15:12 Bluelightz wrote:
I agree with your points Sinensis, He didnt explain his votes in any way, espescially the one on Nemesis, Johhnys points are also sound, I will also be watching him for anything.


Blatant buddying. He also shouldn't need to state that he's watching for suspicious posts, because townies should be doing it anyway. How is it buddying saying you agree with someone? He even gave further input. It's not like he was like "You know what, I trust you on this one" or something, which would be blatant buddying and sheeping - he gave his own reasoning in addition to agreeing with something said. There's nothing indicative of scum here, and the fact that you "think" there is tells a lot about how much you care about finding real scum.

On March 27 2012 21:55 Bluelightz wrote:
IMO, froggy dont be a new Jackal58 XD,


On March 27 2012 20:53 zelblade wrote:
I also dont like how bluelightz decides to call cccalf out of all the lurkers (myself included thanks to school) at that point in time.

So, bluelightz, why him? Me and froggy posted one post each filled with useless crap (at that time), zentor and probably a few others didnt do much either. Any particular reason to call out the newbie?



Hmm, so who would be more worrying? A TOTALLY Inactive person or a person that has posted.

On March 27 2012 22:27 Bluelightz wrote:
His response:

You haven't asked or directed anything towards me so what am I supposed to say? It's only the first day, no need to get accusatory. While Blazinghand is being aggressive and a little narcissistic, it's just to stimulate conversation, I don't think he's scum.

Me:

wtf? I push targets I feel scummy and you are one, Day One is same like any other day but the fact that we have no info to go bye, You still seem scummy because you have no substance, NOTHING.




Well theres my response Zelblade(Random question but If I could shorten your name how could I do it?) And, what's your opinion on this as well?


Does anything about that post suggest he's pushing scum to anyone? Yeah - the post you bolded there. The part where he says "I push targets I feel scummy and you are one". That pretty much says exactly that he's pushing scum.

Combine those with the fact he's already getting called pro-town by a bunch of people. What does this have to say about his alignment at all?! Are you suggesting that the people calling him pro-town are all scum trying to protect him or something? What you're saying isn't even making any sense.

Conclusion: Scum. Scum indeed.


Also of particular interest to me are Gonzaw and Johnnywup.


My responses to your bluelightz case are bolded. You're going to be lynched today, if you're town you'd better come up with some better reasoning than this if you expect to save yourself.

I expected more C_C. I am dissapoint.

Awww, you felt like you had to defend him.
Cute
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 27 2012 22:24 GMT
#299
[quote=O/T, someone asked]Im fine with being called C_C, Cyber, Cheese, CC, whatever. As long as I can tell you meant me, anything is fine. (Including curses)[/quote]

On March 28 2012 06:53 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 01:22 slOosh wrote:
Q for Zelblade:
On March 27 2012 23:51 zelblade wrote:
I dont like gonzaw either. His activity is a pretty huge drop from a certain game, and his posts havent really done much in the way of scumhunting, besides generic advice. I also dont like how he dodges the C_C matter completely, and your point is the nail in the coffin. If C_C does indeed flip scum I say theres a huge chance gonzaw is scum too.

Where did this come from?


I'm taking back this question, it makes sense after catching up.
Did a rough read of the thread so far - I don't see anything too conclusive from the BH talks.

As for C_C, still waiting for him to post something.
I've looked at gonzaw and I do agree with this post from VE,.
(From what I understand) He thinks Bluelightz is scum but he hasn't actually posted a case on him.


Gonzaw could you just post the case on him instead of asking people to look at him?



Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 02:14 Nemesis wrote:
EBWOP If you don't think that the current lynch candidates are good, why don't you come up with your own? Who do you think is scum right now?

I didn't say that the current candidates weren't good / bad - I just wanted more discussion / information to make better decisions. I think we should consolidate upon the pool of candidates so that we can focus discussion, so I'm evaluating the current candidates instead of bringing up more.

By night time (when I can post in detail) I hope both C_C and gonzaw will have put up more stuff to work with.


Like it or not, I think Bluelightz is scum for the reasons provided.

What do people think of this guy?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686&user=45996
Note the extreme neutrality and the fixation on his useless question

Also this:
On March 27 2012 14:55 Sinensis wrote:
While I'm at it, here is what I think of johnnywup:

I think he is ballsy to go after BlazingHand because BlazingHand is seemingly going after anyone who will pay him any attention. I don't think a mafia player would go after BlazingHand, because doing so risks being in the spotlight; BlazingHand being a very aggressive player at the moment.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 27 2012 23:03 GMT
#307
On March 28 2012 08:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
johnny, I know you're not beyond reason. Allow me to share this with you:

C_C's Filter from L

Just peruse the first few pages and then come back in here and say that again with a straight face.

He doesn't give a shit about finding scum in this game, and is only posting enough to alleviate suspicion (see: yourself). He's being intentionally thick in regards to his case (unwilling to even comment on my rebuttal) and he's being intentionally vague about his reasoning behind posting the flag he posted in his first post.

Look again johnny: I think you've got a good thing goin there with ET, but we can only lynch one at a time and presently C_C has the most support.

What's this? Fear tactics half way into day 1? Shutting down other potential candidates?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 27 2012 23:50 GMT
#334
On March 28 2012 08:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
This was my initial case, which was strong enough as it was. Indications from C_C's first two posts:
  • Nationality Fishing
  • underhanded shit-slinging
  • Afraid to draw attention to himself
  • Selectively responding to posts

Ever since then, he's only strengthened my case: go look at his case on Bluelightz, it's laughably bad. I responded to every point and all he had to say to that was "Awww, he's defending him". He's not interested in finding scum with us, and he's doing a piss-poor job of pretending to be interested in helping us.

Yeah?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 27 2012 23:56 GMT
#336
##Unvote
##Vote Johnnywup

Blatently defending me to that extent.
Not many townies would have logically done it, but scum will know I flip town and end up looking good afterwards.
He's my best read.
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 28 2012 02:00 GMT
#349
I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now.
+ Show Spoiler [gg] +
[image loading]
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 28 2012 02:51 GMT
#357
On March 28 2012 11:28 johnnywup wrote:
why would you include nationality in the c_c?

I had the nationality to begin with, before my first post.
It's irrelevant anyway, your whole team is already pegged.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 28 2012 02:58 GMT
#362
On March 28 2012 11:56 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 11:53 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote:
Back from work.

On March 28 2012 11:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now.
+ Show Spoiler [gg] +
[image loading]


So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality.

Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi.

##vote: Cyber_Cheese


Let me get this straight: you think that this post you've quoted somehow has anything to do with anyone's nationality? C_C only knows his own nationality... and he's already soft-claimed AND backtracked SU. There's literally no way he was gonna align-fish anything with this latter post that he wouldn't have already with the first post, assuming people are reading the thread. This is a bad and scummy reason to vote for C_C. Was the flag not enough, but somehow this graphic is?


It is the combination of the flag and the graphic, and the fact that he is segregating names in his graphic based on nationality.

I did what now?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 28 2012 03:09 GMT
#368
On March 28 2012 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's nationality-fishing BH, what don't you understand about that? He's trying to trick people into giving away what nationality they are. This helps scum and does not help town in the slightest...he's caught scum and he's trolling the fuck out of everyone.


Since the beginning, I already had the graphic and my name in place, and was cbf change it more than I had to.

Tell me, why would any sane townie correct which side of the same zone they belong in?
As such, how is it 'helping scum'?

Furthermore, some heroic soviet scientist has already solved the game, stop trying to kill him.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 28 2012 03:16 GMT
#370
On March 28 2012 12:12 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 12:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Sinensis either knows something I don't, or literally doesn't understand the way nationality works. Nobody has claimed any nationalities, and nobody will. It's literally impossible to have a read on anyone's nationality at this point. Please sir explain your reasoning?


C_C, the "soviet scientist's," posts would have me beg to differ.

That was flavour only.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 28 2012 03:37 GMT
#381
Alright, so lets assume I'm complete scum, and I've been death sentenced. Stop wasting time talking about me and find the next person. I recommend referring to the solved game diagram, but I'd be open to allowing you people to check out Sinensis.

+ Show Spoiler [previous post on him] +
On March 28 2012 07:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
[quote=O/T, someone asked]Im fine with being called C_C, Cyber, Cheese, CC, whatever. As long as I can tell you meant me, anything is fine. (Including curses)


On March 28 2012 06:53 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 01:22 slOosh wrote:
Q for Zelblade:
On March 27 2012 23:51 zelblade wrote:
I dont like gonzaw either. His activity is a pretty huge drop from a certain game, and his posts havent really done much in the way of scumhunting, besides generic advice. I also dont like how he dodges the C_C matter completely, and your point is the nail in the coffin. If C_C does indeed flip scum I say theres a huge chance gonzaw is scum too.

Where did this come from?


I'm taking back this question, it makes sense after catching up.
Did a rough read of the thread so far - I don't see anything too conclusive from the BH talks.

As for C_C, still waiting for him to post something.
I've looked at gonzaw and I do agree with this post from VE,.
(From what I understand) He thinks Bluelightz is scum but he hasn't actually posted a case on him.


Gonzaw could you just post the case on him instead of asking people to look at him?



Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 02:14 Nemesis wrote:
EBWOP If you don't think that the current lynch candidates are good, why don't you come up with your own? Who do you think is scum right now?

I didn't say that the current candidates weren't good / bad - I just wanted more discussion / information to make better decisions. I think we should consolidate upon the pool of candidates so that we can focus discussion, so I'm evaluating the current candidates instead of bringing up more.

By night time (when I can post in detail) I hope both C_C and gonzaw will have put up more stuff to work with.


Like it or not, I think Bluelightz is scum for the reasons provided.

What do people think of this guy?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686&user=45996
Note the extreme neutrality and the fixation on his useless question

Also this:
On March 27 2012 14:55 Sinensis wrote:
While I'm at it, here is what I think of johnnywup:

I think he is ballsy to go after BlazingHand because BlazingHand is seemingly going after anyone who will pay him any attention. I don't think a mafia player would go after BlazingHand, because doing so risks being in the spotlight; BlazingHand being a very aggressive player at the moment.
[/QUOTE]
Notice how since then, he's only really chosen to talk one liners about me?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 28 2012 03:45 GMT
#393
On March 28 2012 12:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cyber_Cheese, gonzaw, EchelonTee, Blazinghand

GG scum.

If your name is on this list and you're town, you need to be doing something different. When C_C flips scum, we're just LYNCHIN DOWN THE LIIIIIIINE unless something changes.

BH is last because of anyone he's putting in the most effort. I reward effort with asylum...but my patience only goes so far.

ET and me, on the same scum team?
In fact, ET at all?
BH?
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