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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 28 2012 03:47 GMT
#395
On March 28 2012 12:44 Blazinghand wrote:
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On March 28 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
C_C is the lynch today BH. If you disagree, you're obviously scum. Period. Are you scum BH?


Does this look like a guy trying to help the town atmosphere, or is this a guy trying to cement is town rep and dissuade people from turning against him? This is NOT how you help the town.

The thing is, he tunnelled me to a stupid extent in mafia L too. (I think it was L anyway...)
I wouldn't put it past him to be accidentally destroying town atmosphere.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 28 2012 03:52 GMT
#401
On March 28 2012 12:49 Blazinghand wrote:
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On March 28 2012 12:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On March 28 2012 12:44 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 28 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
C_C is the lynch today BH. If you disagree, you're obviously scum. Period. Are you scum BH?


Does this look like a guy trying to help the town atmosphere, or is this a guy trying to cement is town rep and dissuade people from turning against him? This is NOT how you help the town.

The thing is, he tunnelled me to a stupid extent in mafia L too. (I think it was L anyway...)
I wouldn't put it past him to be accidentally destroying town atmosphere.


This seems far more purposeful than something by accident. Threatening anyone who disagrees with him with lynching? That's not an accident. Saying I claimed scum then abandoning the thread? That's not an accident. VE is perfectly capable of playing a high-post-count scum, and that's what he's doing now.

Here's my new pictorial analysis of the game:

[image loading]

At any rate, I'm willing to vote JW, and he's on your scum list too. Want to start there?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 28 2012 12:44 GMT
#459
On March 28 2012 20:54 froggynoddy wrote:
Hey, sorry I haven't been contributing nearly as much as I should, the reasons for this are:

1. Have been busy with uni
2. VE scares me and generally I'm finding it very difficult this game to provide much analysis as I'll explain below.

The reasons VE scares me (this does not mean necessarily that I think he is scum) are based on the one game I have played till the end (Werewolves II) i.e. when Palmar single-handedly destroyed town and another scum team. How did he do this? Similarly to how VE is acting now. I wouldn't go so far as 'terrorising' but he's establishing himself as a central town leader. As far as I know town should not have leaders, particularly not this early in the game when player's alignments are at their least certain. In my eyes good townies should 1. provoke reactions in the hope of catching tells/slips and 2. build cases and argue them logically without a. resorting to threats b.buddying up to people c.switch their vote to a target other than the target whom they think is most likely scum UNLESS their is no other way for town to lynch.

Now whilst VE has done some of these things, he's also asked people's opinions on various players (a majority of us here in fact) which is obv good for town. What I don't like is his buddying up with JW:

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BH, cool your jets. johnnywup is pretty new. Give him a chance to get acclimated before you throw all your weight at him.

Go look at my case on C_C. I realize you're trying to ignore me because you disagree with my tactics, but have a little faith. Go take a look.

and
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Jdub, don't worry about BH. If he's town then he's "pressuring" you. Don't feed the trolls, ya know? If he's scum then you're only serving to make yourself suspicious by continuing to defend yourself for no reason.


I don't like his changing his vote to ET as its pretty clear he thinks the best lynch is C_C. He says this in his defence:

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Attention: EchelonTee is not my lynch of choice. I'm compromising for the good of the town. Thank you.


I don't think its a good town move to compromise nearly 24hours before deadline when theres still a he can do to convince JW and the rest of us in C_C's case.That said, he seemed on tilt, and non-contributors (such as myself) can only make things more difficult generally.

What I'm trying to say is this: the most pro-town thing to do is argue for who you believe is the most likely to be scum, as this early in the game any compromise is likely to backfire and you end up lynching townie when if you'd had stuck to your guns and argued your case then town would have had a better town lynching scum.

For example, BH thinks C_C is scum but thinks JW is moreso, so he's pushing for who he believes is the most likely scum, which IMHO is good town play. If he were to deny town a lynch due to his refusing to compromise, this becomes very scummy.

Finally I don't like this:

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Attention Non-Voters: Cyber_Cheese is the most pro-town, green imbuing lynch of the day. If you want to have lots and lots of town-cred, and be free of suspicion forever, Cyber_Cheese is the lynch candidate for you! No activity? No problem! Stop by and place your vote TODAY!


This sounds like he's inviting scum to hide in the bus. Which, he might turn around and say that he is scumhunting, the problem with this logic is that C_C and VE's case on C_C is genuinely the strongest case at this point in time, so your trap, if it is one, is likely to backfire.

VE is leading town, if he is townie then if we rely to much on him and mafia kill him than town is likely to crumble. If he is scum... well... we're pretty much screwed.

At this point in time, as previously mentioned, the case on C_C seems the strongest and the two players who have contributed the most to finding scum (BH and VE) both have have C_C as scum, despite their apparent argument.

Until I can find a better case (I hope to do so but unfortunately, am new and am finding day 1 reads to be pretty flimsy) I'm going to:

##Vote Cyber_Cheese

Wait, you bother pointing out all VE's faults, and then sheep vote along side him anyway?
It's simple, we kill the VE.
##Unvote
##Vote VisceraEyes
I have to work, and the deadline ends right when I finish (T_T)
Hopefully you guys aren't stupid enough to kill me, but we'll see.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-28 22:34:32
March 28 2012 22:33 GMT
#531
what an epic flavour post!
Edit: Just for the record, that meta you chose to bring up was terrible. Not only was it extremely similar, but you didn't even bother checking my scum play.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 28 2012 22:40 GMT
#534
On March 29 2012 07:02 Blazinghand wrote:
You know, the least he could have done was posted a final analysis post like I asked. cccalf being replaced, by the way, does not change the fact that he is straight up lurking. I don't like him. I don't like him at all.

Like I said, I was working.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
April 03 2012 22:59 GMT
#1056
I was going to congratulate VE on good scum play, before he flipped.
This is why you have to completely ignore who's a 'veteran' and who isn't, they're still just players in the game

Figures I was right about VE being a soviet (see also, position in the graph)
If it wasnt obvious, most of that graph was random, I threw VE and BH near me, and blue on scum
Being right about Blue <3<3<3

If I was thinking on day 1 enough, my vote would have ended on blue, and the scientist would have been a power role.
The rest of my day 1 could have been improved.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 23:06:47
April 03 2012 23:04 GMT
#1061
On April 04 2012 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
I really don't know what's up with me and finding scum these days. Like you guys just jump out at me.

gg srsly. Thx Hosts for game - was fun. I think it was a little balanced in favor of scum though.

Yes... That's what your day 1 was...
WP actual scum team.

FLAWLESS VICTORY??

I'm amazed cccalf was actually scum in the end
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
April 03 2012 23:23 GMT
#1065
On April 04 2012 08:10 Probulous wrote:
Can someone explain to me how soft-claiming your nationality is fishing? Yeah it makes it easier for scum to reach their alternate win condition but how does it make sense as scum? I mean people aren't going to straight up claim their nationality just because you do?

I didn't understand that part of the case and it seemed to be what got everyone off side with C_C. I had the impression he was playing "badly" so as to survive the night. He is a relative veteran in this game and so for day 1 it wasn't a terrible strategy. Of course VE went full throttle and that sealed the deal.

Were there four blues in this game? If so that gives scum a 40% chance of nuke success night 1. Pretty high if you ask me.

Maybe it was scum favoured
4v10, the nuke, town had 1x doc if multiple people came to the same conclusion, then a 1-shot doc if one of them died, as well as two essentially useless DT's AND two alternate ways scum could win the game.

That said, it wasn't unwinnable
I can't say I was aiming to survive, I was just a little busy at the time, and it seemed like an efficient way to get an opinion out there for people to judge me on
If I could take one thing back, I wouldnt have accused the guy who was defending me
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 23:31:35
April 03 2012 23:29 GMT
#1069
On April 04 2012 08:21 EchelonTee wrote:
Also felt bad for C_C getting lynched. Ur still my original scum bro <3

[image loading]
On April 04 2012 08:24 Probulous wrote:
Yeah that is not good enough to lynch someone. To me it was either a dumb joke (given it was a chinese flag) or it was a soft-claim. All that does is make his nationality clear. Well that makes it easier for scum to kill his team and probably would keep him alive overnight. As scum it makes sense to keep people alive who's nationality you know. You can then shoot into the unknowns 50/50 and if they shot an SU they only need to find one more to win.

I mean all it does it make him a little more secure overnight, or possibly insecure if a SU was lynched. I don't see how scum could use soft-claiming as a way of outing people. The case made no sense as it was mostly based off of this assumption that somehow soft-claiming is scummy.

If I were telling the truth about the nationality claim. There's no way scum could know if I was/wasn't
As it turned out, I was going to post that regardless of role PM.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
April 04 2012 11:30 GMT
#1106
On April 04 2012 20:26 froggynoddy wrote:
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On April 04 2012 13:19 Blazinghand wrote:
On April 04 2012 13:11 slOosh wrote:
Another sadface for Sinensis actually giving up at the end. But I guess it is somewhat understandable that at LYLO two townies think him scum ... still would have liked it if he tried till the end.


I find giving up, ESPECIALLY at LYLO, to be unforgivable for a townie. If you give up, that means you stop playing to your wincon. I don't know how anyone finds this to be acceptable play. Even when there's almost no chance whatsoever to stop your own lynch, and even if it's LYLO and the game is about to be over, you die with your finger on the motherfucking trigger and push your scumreads.

Anything less is a death without honor.


Yeah I honestly believe that MrZ, Sinensis and to a lesser degree C_C went against this:

Show nested quote +
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.


Thus fucking up any clean reads we could have made on them. However I realise I really wasn't the most pro-active player, but this will hopefully change as I become more confident in playing the game.


Nonsense. Had you listened to me day 1, or at least questioned why anybody should ever listen to VE, we would have lynched scum.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
April 04 2012 22:42 GMT
#1121
On April 05 2012 02:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
Agreed with VE on this one.

Maybe CC just rolls too much scum :p

(I didn't read much, but from what little I did see I was curious as to how scum were doing so well compared to town)

Recently it seems teams are being carried more by individual efforts while mostly everyone else is as good as a bag of bricks. That's how it was in Storm for both teams, and that's how it was in the mini I hosted as well. For both sides of a team-based game it's a losing proposition to give up or stop trying.

Some of the people who have been playing ages act elitist and end up forcing the newbies into compliance, by playing off their lack of skill. That makes it hard to get a solid read on the sheep.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
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