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Blazinghand
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On March 27 2012 14:07 johnnywup wrote:i'm absolutely flattered <3 Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote:
bad logic, anti-town to be bad logic. This kind of thinking hurts town. If you plan on using this sort of reasoning going forwards, you are either scum or worthless town.
irony? and hows it anti-town to have bad logic? it just means you're unhelpful, that doesn't mean you're anti-town.. And my logic is perfectly sound thank you.
the idea that someone would play poorly meaning they're not scum is utterly preposterous and you know it. If you use bad logic like that in arguments, you create a scenario that scum can manipulate to its advantage. if you are unhelpful, you are anti-town. you can be anti-town by being a worthless or actively bad townie. I'm astonished I have to explain this to you. Bad town play hurts the town. that's you. you're hurting us. stop it. ow. ow.
On March 27 2012 14:07 johnnywup wrote:
One thing that really sets me off about you is your willingness to shift your vote to me after any pressure at all. You didn't have a case on Nemesis and you don't have a case on me.
you didn't pressure me, you defended me, and you did so in a sloppy, bad fashion. you deserve my vote, and i see no reason to shift it off you. you have failed to adequately address my principle cliam.
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Blazinghand
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Of course, the secret is that JW isn't actually an actively bad townie, and he won't stop being bad. he's scum and should be lynched.
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Blazinghand
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On March 27 2012 15:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Blaze, it's only pressure if what you're saying is true. You're so blatant about your logic being ridiculous that it's not even intimidating and only serves to make you look suspicious.
Now cut out the dramatics or I'll join the jubjubs and scum in lynching you...even if you're town.
I daresay my logic is largely non-ridiculous. It may appear ridiculous to you, but god does not play dice with the universe. Humor me a moment, and let me seduce you with my lascivious arguments.
A) Johnnywup's initial "pressure" on me was actually rather half-assed and non-comittal. I found his statement that "scum wouldn't play this bad" (or equivalent) to be an anti-town statement.
B) I call him out in a typically aggressive fashion. He responds in this way:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686¤tpage=9#171
On March 27 2012 14:07 johnnywup wrote:i'm absolutely flattered <3 Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote:
bad logic, anti-town to be bad logic. This kind of thinking hurts town. If you plan on using this sort of reasoning going forwards, you are either scum or worthless town.
irony? and hows it anti-town to have bad logic? it just means you're unhelpful, that doesn't mean you're anti-town.. And my logic is perfectly sound thank you. One thing that really sets me off about you is your willingness to shift your vote to me after any pressure at all. You didn't have a case on Nemesis and you don't have a case on me.
This is generally a bad post. I really don't like this particular section:
and hows it anti-town to have bad logic? it just means you're unhelpful, that doesn't mean you're anti-town.
I think any marginally experienced player, or even someone who sits down and thinks about how mafia works should realize that bad logic being posted in the thread DOES hurt the town. as a town player, you want to avoid doing this. As a scum player, you are happy when you see this. bad logic hurts the town. it is anti town, then.
And other than these two posts, he has had a generally underwhelming filter:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686&user=99700
"But, blazinghand, most of JW's stuff wasn't even there during your initial accusation! what was the deal there?"
Admittedly, my first post in which I voted him was grasping slightly at straws. this town is silent and there was basically no analysis happening. I needed to get things rolling. His utterly catastrophic responses to me after voting him have made me realize that this guy is scum, and deserves to be lynched.
Anybody who examines his filter can look and see that there is something amiss. this is now how a town player would play.
I stand by my vote, for new reasons that are stronger than the ones for which it was initially made.
The evidence is there. all you need to do is open your eyes.
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Blazinghand
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On March 27 2012 15:36 cccalf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 14:24 Bluelightz wrote:
No Fucking Idea,
I'm gonna take more looks at people,
Has anyone took a look at ccalf? He has posted NOTHING! besides his /in post.
IMO I find Sinensis generally unhelpful with his posts, he has only posted some useless question, and said hes gonna watch Blazinghand, I feel he needs to step up. You haven't asked or directed anything towards me so what am I supposed to say? It's only the first day, no need to get accusatory. While Blazinghand is being aggressive and a little narcissistic, it's just to stimulate conversation, I don't think he's scum.
you could always ask questions of your own, or contribute to the discussion independently. Initiative isyrous to take.
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Blazinghand
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On March 27 2012 15:44 johnnywup wrote:
just because i don't have as many posts doesn't mean I'm scum, blazing. My posts are more thought out. Your posts are yelling at anyone who directs a post at you. I don't find that particularly town-like.
##vote Blazinghand
So, you have no response to my continued assertion that your statements dont' make sense and your general argumentation is anti-town? I'm not questioning the number or size of your posts, if you actually read my argument. I have questioned the CONTENT of your posts. Outside of the two that i object to, you have posted no content. In my opinion, the only content you have posted hurts town.
Your posts are scummy, and your attempt to try to get a wagon started on me is laughable. wagons are started with arguments, not votes, my friend.
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Blazinghand
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ET: I'll examine C_C after I finish writing up and posting the case. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.
Well, it seems that after a great deal of prodding, and after I explicitly called him out after he voted me, JW has finally posted a... "case" on me. I use that word with the greatest hesitance, as one might refer to a popgun as a "firearm" or to a typewriter as a "word processor" since I must admit, short of a few particular gems by Bluelightz, I have never quite seen a case this ill-founded. Let us then proceed into the darkness. I will explain in grievous detail exactly how and why this fellow is wrong.
To begin, we have all seen the great reluctance with which JW has committed to any sort of statement on anything of importance this game, and the great lengths I had to go to, even after he voted me, to get him to post a case. Imagine, for a moment, you're a town player in JW's position; Blzinghand is bothering you, and hey, maybe he's scum. What would you do?
Well, maybe you'd do some research on Blzinghand's previous games. Maybe you'd take a look at his filter this game. Whatever you'd do, you'd probably try to refine your read if possible. If you don't have enough information, you might ask him some questions. If you have a fair amount of information and believe he is scum, you might make a case to pressure him. And if you're very sure of yourself, or you really want to ramp up the pressure, you will append a vote to your case. The reason you do this is to attempt to lynch him, or to bluff to attempt to lynch him. That is the purpose of the vote.
Sounds reasonable enough. Now, JW did not quite do this. He voted me, THEN wrote a case AFTERWARDS. I find this unbelievably suspicious and scummy.
"Now wait," you may say, "perhaps he is like you! I remember you made a pretty flimsy case with an initial vote, then filled it out with a more extensive case when you had more information. Do you think JW was perhaps doing the same thing?"
That's a fair question. Let's examine what he did here:
On March 27 2012 15:44 johnnywup wrote:
just because i don't have as many posts doesn't mean I'm scum, blazing. My posts are more thought out. Your posts are yelling at anyone who directs a post at you. I don't find that particularly town-like.
##vote Blazinghand
This actually... doesn't look so bad. It looks like Blzinghand made some shitty post trying to get JW lynched for semi-lurking. Blzinghand is attacking everyone who directs a post at him-- an un-townlike action. If that's really the case, then it would be difficult indeed for JW to actually formulate a case against me! This looks like a normal pressure vote to try to force a regular confrontation, rather than a cornered scum trying to silence an aggressive townie.
So, what was he responding to? What half-assed, short, un-analyzable post merited a vote with such a terse explanation?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686¤tpage=10#191
+ Show Spoiler +On March 27 2012 15:34 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 15:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Blaze, it's only pressure if what you're saying is true. You're so blatant about your logic being ridiculous that it's not even intimidating and only serves to make you look suspicious.
Now cut out the dramatics or I'll join the jubjubs and scum in lynching you...even if you're town. I daresay my logic is largely non-ridiculous. It may appear ridiculous to you, but god does not play dice with the universe. Humor me a moment, and let me seduce you with my lascivious arguments. A) Johnnywup's initial "pressure" on me was actually rather half-assed and non-comittal. I found his statement that "scum wouldn't play this bad" (or equivalent) to be an anti-town statement. B) I call him out in a typically aggressive fashion. He responds in this way: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686¤tpage=9#171Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 14:07 johnnywup wrote:i'm absolutely flattered <3 On March 27 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote:
bad logic, anti-town to be bad logic. This kind of thinking hurts town. If you plan on using this sort of reasoning going forwards, you are either scum or worthless town.
irony? and hows it anti-town to have bad logic? it just means you're unhelpful, that doesn't mean you're anti-town.. And my logic is perfectly sound thank you. One thing that really sets me off about you is your willingness to shift your vote to me after any pressure at all. You didn't have a case on Nemesis and you don't have a case on me. This is generally a bad post. I really don't like this particular section: Show nested quote +
and hows it anti-town to have bad logic? it just means you're unhelpful, that doesn't mean you're anti-town.
I think any marginally experienced player, or even someone who sits down and thinks about how mafia works should realize that bad logic being posted in the thread DOES hurt the town. as a town player, you want to avoid doing this. As a scum player, you are happy when you see this. bad logic hurts the town. it is anti town, then. And other than these two posts, he has had a generally underwhelming filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686&user=99700"But, blazinghand, most of JW's stuff wasn't even there during your initial accusation! what was the deal there?" Admittedly, my first post in which I voted him was grasping slightly at straws. this town is silent and there was basically no analysis happening. I needed to get things rolling. His utterly catastrophic responses to me after voting him have made me realize that this guy is scum, and deserves to be lynched. Anybody who examines his filter can look and see that there is something amiss. this is now how a town player would play. I stand by my vote, for new reasons that are stronger than the ones for which it was initially made. The evidence is there. all you need to do is open your eyes.
...oh.
Hm.
That looks like a pretty long, well-thought out argument. That looks like something JW could have written a case from, if I really had no ground to stand on. In fact... it's kind of surprising that JW didn't respond to my allegations in the post in which he votes me. In fact, he even references it when he claims he's not lurking in his voting post. How could he have possibility missed it?
The answer, of course, is obvious. JW did not miss my post. He decided that the adequate response to a detailed case against him was a brief, empty paragraph and a vote.
In fact, this is actually a textbook case of an OMGUS.
I hate referencing OMGUS, because it is so often misused-- the fact of the matter is, there are plenty of times you may want to make a case against someone who is pressuring you or being aggressive. It happens all the time, and it isn't OMGUS. OMGUS is about the sort of content-free, reflexive defense a scum will bring to bear in a panic when he realizes he's cornered. It's about this situation, here. It's about JW.
After I increase the pressure, he finally goes back to my post and makes an analysis. Something that, in fact, is what he would have done BEFORE making his vote that references the post if he were indeed town-aligned. The very case itself is a farce, but I must of course address it here, since it represents a continued development of JW's OMGUS. Let's take a look:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 27 2012 16:01 johnnywup wrote:
I never tried to start a wagon on you. I pointed out that your posts are stupid. You said "look at his filter, you can see he's scum!". That's general. I didn't know if you meant content or size, or what.
This is a classic misrepresentation of my case. If you remember back to my post, which he oddly enough doesn't quote (despite quoting later sections of it below), I say this: " And other than these two posts, he has had a generally underwhelming filter:" That is highly different than "look at his filter, you can see he's scum!"-- the sentence is specifically talking about content. I eviscerate his two posts with content, then note that his filter is underwhelming. To any reasonable person, this is me saying "JW hasn't said anything of value outside of these two posts". Hope that clears it up for everyone. On March 27 2012 16:01 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 15:20 Blazinghand wrote:the idea that someone would play poorly meaning they're not scum is utterly preposterous and you know it. If you use bad logic like that in arguments, you create a scenario that scum can manipulate to its advantage. if you are unhelpful, you are anti-town. you can be anti-town by being a worthless or actively bad townie. I'm astonished I have to explain this to you. Bad town play hurts the town. that's you. you're hurting us. stop it. ow. ow.On March 27 2012 14:07 johnnywup wrote:
One thing that really sets me off about you is your willingness to shift your vote to me after any pressure at all. You didn't have a case on Nemesis and you don't have a case on me. you didn't pressure me, you defended me, and you did so in a sloppy, bad fashion. you deserve my vote, and i see no reason to shift it off you. you have failed to adequately address my principle cliam. bold 1: so people can't be bad? bold 2: You're playing bad. You're calling out people for absolutely 0 reason. Bad arguments=scum right? Look in the mirror, buddy. bold 3: i never defended you. I pointed out your posts were bad and I neither attacked your nor defended you at that point. I just pointed things out. But you got defensive and started attacking me. I don't understand your logic here. Theses three areas are blatant misrepresentations by JW. The first statement I make is that "excluding someone from being scum just because they're bad is not reasonable". JW 's question 1 is retarded. 2: reasonably, JW should recognize that my arguments are bad and should have responded to them in his initial vote post, but somehow had to wait until now to do so. 3: JW did in fact defend me by stating I was probably not scum despite "bad" posts. This sort of hedging is typical tracks being laid down by a scum player so that he can go back later and be proven right. On March 27 2012 16:01 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 15:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Of course, the secret is that JW isn't actually an actively bad townie, and he won't stop being bad. he's scum and should be lynched. for what reason would i be scum rather than a bad townie? just because? Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 15:34 Blazinghand wrote:
A) Johnnywup's initial "pressure" on me was actually rather half-assed and non-comittal. I found his statement that "scum wouldn't play this bad" (or equivalent) to be an anti-town statement.
Anybody who examines his filter can look and see that there is something amiss. this is now how a town player would play.
bold 1: me thinking you're bad makes me anti town? And I didn't intend to commit, I merely pointed out why what you said is stupid, like I've said. bold 2: please, please tell me blazing, how would a town player play? How should I play mafia, tell me! I don't understand the needless attacking of me. Please help me understand why I'm scum, blazing. I really do want to know. 1) another misrepresentation. I think that him being non-comittal is typical scum play. 2) Rhetorical questions. no value here.
Overall, you can see that JW's "case" was
A) made long after the fact of his vote, and only after i pressured him to produce it, a typical scum move with a typical OMGUS
B) is generally flimsy and is based on blatant misrepresentation of my arguments.
As a result, I am not convinced at all of his innocence, and am in fact more and more convinced that he is panicking scum.
Thank you for your time. Vote JW for D1 lynch!
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Blazinghand
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TL;DR: JW's reactions are generally scummy, as well as the way he's made his cases and read/responded to my arguments. I can understand if you personally find me aggressive and unpleasant to play with, but I would rather play with me than with JW, who is scum. He is acting in a way that doesnt' make sense for a town player, but DOES make sense for a scum player. He should have made his case when he voted me, and generally responded to my pressure with something other than dodging and misrepresentation of my case. It's pretty clear he's scum to me.
@JW: Come at me bro
+ Show Spoiler [Jw's "case" on blazi…] +
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Blazinghand
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On March 27 2012 14:25 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 13:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Maybe he's just a town player who didn't think things through carefully and worded his posts ambiguously (in an attack that is fundamentally about wording posts). 'If he's town' is good for setting up a safe escape when a mafia lead lynch goes badly, but townies shouldn't need an escape. This is a slippery slope that scum love. Lets try to lynch scum, and settle for nothing less k?
Did you literally not read the sentence that followed that one? Here let me include the entire quote for you, since through some incredible feat of mental trickery you missed it:
On March 27 2012 13:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Maybe he's just a town player who didn't think things through carefully and worded his posts ambiguously (in an attack that is fundamentally about wording posts).
But the fact of the matter is, he did somehow wake up to respond to my posts. He will doubtlessly claim that he hadn't yet gone to bed... but bear in mind that his series of actions is distinctly something a scum player WOULD do.
Oh hey, what's that? Blzinghand was just introducing that as a counterpoint so he could IMMEDIATELY shoot it down? he wasn't hedging, but actually being an aggressive manly man with enormous muscles, and C_C is either a knave or a fool?
Hey, how about that.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6DdDc.gif)
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Blazinghand
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Other than C_C's half-assed half-quote of me, he hasn't posted anything of any substance except:
On March 27 2012 07:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/P7KtZ.jpg) Alright boys, lets do this. Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
ATTENTION SCUM! IT WILL BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO PUT ME ON THE BACK FOOT IMMEDIATELY! IF YOU ATTEMPT TO HIDE I WILL FIND YOU! Something about this seems suss. Compensating for some sort of guilt perhaps?
I concur with VE that this is a troubling post. I do not like that C_C soft-claimed his nationality. As a town player this is either a huge mistake or some kind of shitty gambit. As a scum player, this is... I don't even know what this is. I eagerly anticipate C_C's reasoning for this post.
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Blazinghand
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Good evening gents! I'm currently putting together a 4-course meal today.
On the prix fixe menu today:
Amuse Bouche
cccalf
Entree
JW
Plats Principaux
ET
CC
Desserts
Voting someone
In any case, to start things off, my thoughts on our resident semi-inactive:
On March 27 2012 15:36 cccalf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 14:24 Bluelightz wrote:
No Fucking Idea,
I'm gonna take more looks at people,
Has anyone took a look at ccalf? He has posted NOTHING! besides his /in post.
IMO I find Sinensis generally unhelpful with his posts, he has only posted some useless question, and said hes gonna watch Blazinghand, I feel he needs to step up. You haven't asked or directed anything towards me so what am I supposed to say? It's only the first day, no need to get accusatory. While Blazinghand is being aggressive and a little narcissistic, it's just to stimulate conversation, I don't think he's scum.
You're on my "list". The reason for this is your short filter. The game's been going long enough I imagine you would have posted something besides some wishy washy statement on me. There are lots of things to talk about. Get off your ass and make some cases and votes.
A high-res pictorial analysis of the current cccalf situation:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Iu2Rg.png)
As you can see, cccalf has one short useless post, and is therefore on blzinghand's "list" of players who are hurting town.
Next up, I'll read through what JW has said in my absence and possibly re-evaluate my vote on him.
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Blazinghand
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I may stumble across someone else jubjubbing or scumming it up too and post my thoughts on them if it seems reasonable to do so-- but to start things off I'll talk about what's been going on with these wagons.
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Blazinghand
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If you find my professional pictorial analysis diagrams to be obscure, that's not my fault. Sometimes this sort of high-level thinking just goes over people's heads. You should have paid more attention in art class.
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Blazinghand
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I believe it's "baited" breath but yeah I was eating dinner. On it now.
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Blazinghand
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I don't like the way in which JW unvoted me. It's not unreasonable to change your vote to someone else, or even unvote entirely if you're convinced by someone's defense. But let's take a look at the manner in which he unvotes:
On March 27 2012 17:00 johnnywup wrote:
BH was just pissing me off. In reality I don't really have any evidence that shows him to be scummy.
##unvote BlazingHand
This is actually pretty reasonable. He had no evidence, he was just mad. Okay. Let's read the rest of his post.
On March 27 2012 17:00 johnnywup wrote:
And I don't know why you keep saying "JW is so scummy! lynch lynch lynch!!!" and thats the essence of what you're saying.. And I don't have to give you a long response to a long post. Your long post doesn't say much, really. So neither does my response have to.
(Btw I was voting because of things I already said, not just things i said in the post that I voted in)
Now I'm confused again. JW, why did you vote me? Were you mad? Was it because of the "reasoning" you gave before you voted me? Or was it because of the "reasoning" that was in the voting post? It certainly wasn't the case I finally pressured you into giving me after the fact... so what's the deal?
Or are you just scum?
Taking a look at JW's posts following his unvote, he makes a case against ET and votes him. I don't think the case really holds water, but this is how I'd expect a newish town player to play.
Then, he defends C_C fairly aggressively against VE. But let's take a look at his next vote-change:
He starts off by addressing some pressure from ET, which isn't really related to the matter at hand. The latter end of his post, though, is:
On March 28 2012 08:50 johnnywup wrote:
I don't think you're scum VE so I'll just trust you. I don't think I'm being unreasonable, having an opinion and all. My argument against ET wasn't very strong, but it was something. I couldn't link why you thought he was scum until you explained it to me, so thanks for that. Your argument is better now that I see what you mean. I don't suppose many people think I'm town right now, and I don't think that me submitting to lynching C_C will really change much, but I'll do what I can to clear my name.
##unvote EchelonTee
##vote Cyber_Cheese
[spoiler ]note to self: don't try and be helpful because my arguments are terrible and have me look like scum in both of the games I've played. [/spoiler]
Emphasis mine.
JW's reasoning is basically "I think VE is town, so I trust him. I wasn't able to understand why claiming a nationality was bad, but after some explanation, I get it now. I'm voting C_C to clear my name, but I don't think it'll help. Hey guys, I'm usually bad at this game, check my meta."
This is really bad. Whatever your personal thoughts are on people's alignment, you don't place the fate of your vote in their hands. I'm not entirely clear on whether C_C is town or scum, though I personally don't like his play. But I think that trying to shift the "blame" of your vote onto someone else like JW is doing here is either scummy or enormously bad town play. I'm gonna go with scummy. I don't like that he views the C_C lynch in terms of his own credibility. And I REALLY don't like the fact that he's referencing his own meta. It's very, very typical scum play to talk about how you're "bad" or "have trouble convincing people" or in general to publicly doubt yourself in this fashion. I can't tell from his post if he's trying to bus C_C, or if he knows C_C is town and is trying to absolve guilt, or what, but I can tell one thing for sure:
He's waffling, flip-floping, and hedging.
I don't like that.
I don't like it at all.
I see no reason to unvote JW at this point.
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Next course: My analysis on C_C. I had reserved judgement until he posted more, and now that he has, let's see if he's scummy scum or awful town!
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Blazinghand
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Alright, so since he's scummy flag post, let's see what C_C is up to.
On March 28 2012 03:58 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 03:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I seem to be getting a lot of flak for that soviet flag.
Why did I post it?
I was going to post it regardless of pm.
As for my stances
##Vote Bluelightz Preparing a decent explaination of my stance on him and a couple of others now, just throwing it out there in advance to give you more time to discuss
A shitty defense of his flag post, but the only one he could reasonably make. If he's town, that's probably the right move, since he doesn't want to claim a nationality-- and if he didn't know that before, he knows it now. If he's scum, he's trying to distance himself from that post. This tells us nothing beyond the fact that he made that flag post.
This sort of Bluelightz vote is what I'd expect from someone who's never played with Bluelightz. I personally have a great deal of trouble getting reads on Bluelightz in the games I've played with him. Bluelightz is typically utterly worthless as a townie, so much so that he looks vaguely scummy. As scum, he's usually fairly obvious as well. I'll have to make a determination on which he is after we clear out the obvious scum from this thread.
I like that he attacks Sinensis. I don't like that he doesn't press the issue.
On March 28 2012 08:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 08:00 VisceraEyes wrote:johnny, I know you're not beyond reason. Allow me to share this with you: C_C's Filter from LJust peruse the first few pages and then come back in here and say that again with a straight face. He doesn't give a shit about finding scum in this game, and is only posting enough to alleviate suspicion (see: yourself). He's being intentionally thick in regards to his case (unwilling to even comment on my rebuttal) and he's being intentionally vague about his reasoning behind posting the flag he posted in his first post. Look again johnny: I think you've got a good thing goin there with ET, but we can only lynch one at a time and presently C_C has the most support. What's this? Fear tactics half way into day 1? Shutting down other potential candidates?
A legitimate criticism of VE's statement. I don't like single-wagon towns-- this typically means something is wrong. That being said, C_C is smart enough that he'd make this statement as scum as well. I find this unconvincing.
He has some various prods and defending statements in his filter (which, although short, contains lots of words), but what jumps out at me is this, his most recent post, and voteswitch:
On March 28 2012 08:56 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Johnnywup
Blatently defending me to that extent.
Not many townies would have logically done it, but scum will know I flip town and end up looking good afterwards.
He's my best read.
I think town CC would do this. Town CC would notice JW and be like "what the hell man" and vote him. I'd anticipate a bit more of a case, but this is exactly what CC would do in this situation if he were town, because JW is being super weird. That being said, Scum CC might also do this. It's a decent bus, and JW can better justify his vote against CC on emotional grounds since he's established as a shitty, emotional player.
The thing both of these scenarios have in common is that JW is scum. Either a town CC is trying to make the most of his time left alive, or a scum CC is executing a fairly obvious bus.
This makes me more and more confident that lynching JW D1 is the best move.
On March 28 2012 11:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now. [spoi ler=gg] ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WcKq7.png) [/spoiler]
I don't like this post, for obvious reasons. Another soft claim of being SU? + Show Spoiler [really?] + I mean, yes, it's the softest possible nationality claim, but it's STILL a soft claim. At this point, I'm not even sure this makes C_C scum, because it's not like anyone would respond to that by revealing their nationality. This post isn't scummy, it's just.... dumb.
I don't like C_C, but the case for him being scum SUPPORTS the case for JW being scum. At this moment I'd like to lynch JW, but if the CC wagon rolls across the finish line I would find that acceptable, if sub-optimal.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote:Back from work. Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 11:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now. + Show Spoiler [gg] + So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality. Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi. ##vote: Cyber_Cheese
Let me get this straight: you think that this post you've quoted somehow has anything to do with anyone's nationality? C_C only knows his own nationality... and he's already soft-claimed AND backtracked SU. There's literally no way he was gonna align-fish anything with this latter post that he wouldn't have already with the first post, assuming people are reading the thread. This is a bad and scummy reason to vote for C_C. Was the flag not enough, but somehow this graphic is?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 11:56 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 11:53 Blazinghand wrote:On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote:Back from work. On March 28 2012 11:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now. + Show Spoiler [gg] + So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality. Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi. ##vote: Cyber_Cheese Let me get this straight: you think that this post you've quoted somehow has anything to do with anyone's nationality? C_C only knows his own nationality... and he's already soft-claimed AND backtracked SU. There's literally no way he was gonna align-fish anything with this latter post that he wouldn't have already with the first post, assuming people are reading the thread. This is a bad and scummy reason to vote for C_C. Was the flag not enough, but somehow this graphic is? It is the combination of the flag and the graphic, and the fact that he is segregating names in his graphic based on nationality.
Explain how the segregating names in his graphic based on nationality does anything to help scum or hurt town?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 11:58 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 11:56 Sinensis wrote:On March 28 2012 11:53 Blazinghand wrote:On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote:Back from work. On March 28 2012 11:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now. + Show Spoiler [gg] + So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality. Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi. ##vote: Cyber_Cheese Let me get this straight: you think that this post you've quoted somehow has anything to do with anyone's nationality? C_C only knows his own nationality... and he's already soft-claimed AND backtracked SU. There's literally no way he was gonna align-fish anything with this latter post that he wouldn't have already with the first post, assuming people are reading the thread. This is a bad and scummy reason to vote for C_C. Was the flag not enough, but somehow this graphic is? It is the combination of the flag and the graphic, and the fact that he is segregating names in his graphic based on nationality. I did what now?
The flag shoudl be fairlly obvious, you soft-claimed a nationality and implicitly align-fished as a result. I'm confused about the graphic too though
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 12:00 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 11:57 Blazinghand wrote:On March 28 2012 11:56 Sinensis wrote:On March 28 2012 11:53 Blazinghand wrote:On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote:Back from work. On March 28 2012 11:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now. + Show Spoiler [gg] + So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality. Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi. ##vote: Cyber_Cheese Let me get this straight: you think that this post you've quoted somehow has anything to do with anyone's nationality? C_C only knows his own nationality... and he's already soft-claimed AND backtracked SU. There's literally no way he was gonna align-fish anything with this latter post that he wouldn't have already with the first post, assuming people are reading the thread. This is a bad and scummy reason to vote for C_C. Was the flag not enough, but somehow this graphic is? It is the combination of the flag and the graphic, and the fact that he is segregating names in his graphic based on nationality. Explain how the segregating names in his graphic based on nationality does anything to help scum or hurt town? Mafia wins if they kill every citizen of one nationality. Dividing reads by nationality supports that agenda.
How could he possibly know anybody's nationality? How could anyone possibly know anybody's nationality, or even have a read on it?
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