Aperture Mafia

On March 12 2012 09:14 GreYMisT wrote:


HOW DID YOU KNOW HE WAS IN THE GAME?!

On March 13 2012 00:45 GreYMisT wrote:


Just ask iGrok

On March 15 2012 01:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Pretty sure you have to be American, did you even watch the video tutorial JayJay?

On March 15 2012 06:36 Hassybaby wrote:




?

On March 16 2012 03:53 Hassybaby wrote:


Wait, that's 5pm Central right? So it comes to Sunday morning for the inferiors? (non-American)

On March 16 2012 15:26 Blazinghand wrote:


Day 0: VE claims scum in thread

On March 16 2012 17:12 Blazinghand wrote:


Day 0 Blazinghand claims dayvig, calls shot on Draz.

On March 16 2012 17:15 Blazinghand wrote:


gg town. somehow I always get lynched as a blue ;_;

On March 17 2012 05:54 Hassybaby wrote:
Spam can be good though. It's easier to slip up with spam, plus massive posts are a bitch to read sometimes

On March 17 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also I'm winning with 17 Science Collaboration Points, so everyone should do what I say anyway.

On March 17 2012 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Aw that's cute, you believe in the cake. ^^

On March 17 2012 07:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean, I just don't want to hear a single "tl;dr" all game, that's all I'm saying.

On March 17 2012 08:17 Paperscraps wrote:


Yeah, I didn't think about thiefs, etc... Probably best to not disclose things right now.

On March 17 2012 08:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
BG

On March 17 2012 08:30 Blazinghand wrote:


Why in particular did you think this about VE? Why not someone else?

On March 17 2012 08:39 Jayjay54 wrote:


yea, we already KNOW that VE is a sleeper cell shadowsinger. I don't think is being tested here

but draz claims the kill, so his kill flavour is Consumed by Shadow and Flame

On March 17 2012 09:29 Jayjay54 wrote:
I also want to point out the possibility of wheatley betraying us later on.

For anyone who hasn't played portal 2: He gets the successor of Glados and basically gets insane and stuff.

He will be a cute robot now, but I gotta feeling he won't stay that way.

On March 17 2012 09:39 Bluelightz wrote:
Adding to the discussion Should the person that gets elected should claim the power or not? I think that he should claim the powers if its anti-town but im open to other opinions :D.

On March 17 2012 10:01 Velinath wrote:

This by itself means I will simply refuse to ever vote you in as Wheatley. Nonaccountability isn't a good idea.

On March 17 2012 10:08 Maverick32x wrote:



Geez, you really posted that rather quickly after he put his hat in there... I know you said that you'd like us to trust you.. but that's asking a lot..

I do appreciate Velinath's accountability though, more so than Gonzaw's...

On March 17 2012 10:13 Jayjay54 wrote:
I agree. gonzaw is not a good candidate.

also, self voting is as stupid as it could be and should be ruled out in any mafia game as it basically undermines the purpose of an election on day 1: give information to town.

On March 17 2012 10:17 Blazinghand wrote:


...and.... we NEED to trust you? Come on, man, you can play better than this. So trigger happy, so poorly explained, on both your shot and your Elect vote. ;_; Let's get some serious cases here.

Look, I promised to lower taxes, raise spending,a nd balance the budget. What's your case for Veli? Like a real case.

On March 17 2012 10:21 Bluelightz wrote:
My eyes O_O, I think that Wiggles is town and trustable for the elections, vote for the wiggul cause!

On March 17 2012 10:21 MidnightGladius wrote:


If that is the case, and we end up having to deal with renegade Wheatley, we'll be losing a PR. Why not elect a vanilla town like me, instead?

On March 17 2012 10:26 Bluelightz wrote:
Oh, Drazerks arguement just threw my argument out of the window, Unvoting Wiggles and gonna look at Veli, Drazerk, based on that item would you be fine for lynching him?

On March 17 2012 10:45 MidnightGladius wrote:


I have no power roles, and I win with the town. How does that make me anything other than vanilla town?

On March 17 2012 10:53 Bluelightz wrote:


Its tempting to believe this because Kenpachi does this every game :O, any thoughts?

On March 17 2012 11:00 Nisani201 wrote:

Why should we give you super powers?

On March 17 2012 22:16 zelblade wrote:


Why was your wincon suddenly changed?

On March 17 2012 22:28 Jayjay54 wrote:
drazerk. you explained your wincons and you believe ven is like you.

how was he a good vote target when you had to win with town and why is he a "horrible" target now? Isn't that contradicting itself?

On March 17 2012 22:36 Jayjay54 wrote:


Even if draz is the balrog (which is likely), that doesn't say shit about his alignment or real wincon. Balrog has more of a serial killer flavour IMO. Balrog is chaotic, I don't think he'd win with town. But I know that this is set-up speculation...

On March 17 2012 22:44 Jayjay54 wrote:


can you link me to that? you prolly mean different player...igrok was an ork:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&currentpage=88#1744

On March 17 2012 22:51 Jayjay54 wrote:


you are kidding right? You reference to a lie of a scum player!

igrok was a scum orc that game.

On March 17 2012 22:53 zelblade wrote:


Wait a sec just looked at LOTR... wasnt barlog a fakeclaim by a scum player?

On March 17 2012 22:54 Jayjay54 wrote:


ninja'd. so you're saying that you got the role igrok lied about for real this time? but it wasn't announced immediately? and then not even halfway through day 1 your wincon changes to the fake one of igrok?

that doesn't even make sense...

also, what is this group you're talking about. Are you guys like a group of superfriends? or what do you have in common?

On March 17 2012 23:08 Jayjay54 wrote:
the OP suggest 5 different colours. VT, Blues, Scum, Third and Sleepers. but how is this going to help us.

Draz: If you can "find them", does that mean you can communicate with them or something?

On March 17 2012 23:34 Velinath wrote:
ebwop: as I read through the thread, I noticed Draz claimed third party. I'm not third party; I'm town aligned.

If anyone has doubts about my ability to play transparently, please go take a look at Student Mafia. It's from a while ago, but I think I did a good job of playing very transparently, honestly, and actively in that game.

On March 18 2012 00:30 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think Draz is bullshitting. The "I need 5 items" condition makes no sense as balrog. It's completely random.

Draz refers to this old Balrog fake claim and adds another random condition to it.

So they took an old fake role as a gag, implemented it here and were like "yea he needs more stuff".

You also claim to have restrictions on your KP item wise. Also completely nonsense for flavour (balrog doesn't need shit to kill).

I still think he might be sleeper cell or even scum (who didn't intend to claim until he knew he hit third).

Overall, draz, you are a perfect day 1 lynch. At worst (in case you weren't bullshitting), we lose a third party who wants to kill a townie and looks for items, which is still OK from town perspective. At best, me nail a lanch at scum or sleeper.

Sounds like a plan to me.

##vote Drazerk

On March 18 2012 00:37 Jayjay54 wrote:


I am not voting you, because of that. I am voting you, because I don't buy your role.

Balrog who is resembling an old fake claim, but is now suddenly obsessed with items in addition.

yea right.

On March 18 2012 00:38 Jayjay54 wrote:


yea, that'll help. Because he can't at no point say "Hey I received an item". That's totally a prove.

On March 18 2012 00:49 Jayjay54 wrote:
You want to use items to get back? Sorry. Just no.

Also, that was sarcasm.

Draz can at any point claim he got given an item. Now what? No one claims to have given an item.

draz: can you only kill when you get an item?

On March 18 2012 00:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Hey Drazerk, why did you want to make town elect velinath, because you believed he was 3rd party. When you claimed that your win condition before was just to survive and win with town?

On March 18 2012 01:23 Jayjay54 wrote:


he have claimed just because of that. if you believe him, then his wincon has changed. so he might have thought he was no threat for town THEN.

If we find a better lynch, I am fine with moving on. However, this lynch is at worst a third party lynch. We won't lose a townie. Before we randomly lynch a player, lynching drazerk is by far the better option. And that doesn't even take into account that there's a fair chance he's lying.

I still think we should give Wheatley to one of the newer players (mav, david or whatever), since they might not be as good in abusing OP powers, yet (no offense, bros! seriously!). That is, if they're willing to be transparent and to let town guide their actions. If they get insane, it will be probably easier for town to recognize it, while vet-players will annihilate town.

On March 18 2012 01:31 Maverick32x wrote:


Why did your win con change?

On March 18 2012 01:39 Grackaroni wrote:
Drazerk you're clearly holding something back from us.
Original win con : survive until the end with town.
New win con : Kill Gandolf, get 5 items.

Old win con: Velinath should be Wheatly because you think he has a pro-town role similar to yours.
New win con : Velinath is a horrible candidate and we must not let him get elected.
Either you were trying to do something scummy earlier by electing a 3rd party (defended by the fact that 3rd party is basically overpowered blues) or you turned anti-town and didn't want somebody who you thought had a pro-town role to win the election.

Nothing in your wincon should have made that change in your view of Velinath so you are either holding something back from us or you are just bullshitting completely.

On March 18 2012 03:31 Foolishness wrote:
On Wiggles you must keep your eye
So hard to tell when he is to lie
He's a powerful player
Do not make him mayor
It's hard to read him, but give it a try...

On March 18 2012 03:48 Jayjay54 wrote:


now it's just getting sad. You already had a DT item, now you have a second one which happens to kill people lynching you? really? try to be more creative.

On March 18 2012 03:17 Kenpachi wrote:
kk. im going to hand you my item Drazerk, in return, you must vote GLaDOS everyday you are alive (in case we dont get majority day 1).

On March 18 2012 07:41 Velinath wrote:

Man, your credibility is already shot. Give us something more than this to explain why this is a good idea.

On March 18 2012 07:58 gonzaw wrote:



Also, why do you even care about town anymore? You haven't answered any of our questions nor tried to lend your powers to us, so clearly you don't care.

Do you even know you are about to get lynched? Do you know that if you are indeed 3rd party you will LOSE? Why don't you even acknowledge that, and more importantly STOP it altogether?
You are giving me more and more reasons for thinking you are actually scum.

On March 18 2012 08:13 Jayjay54 wrote:


are you actually claiming to be town?

On March 18 2012 08:37 Grackaroni wrote:

Speaking of which why did Kenpachi giving you that item convince you that we should kill GlaDOS?

On March 18 2012 09:04 Kenpachi wrote:

it was a deal fool

On March 18 2012 09:29 Blazinghand wrote:


Fair enough. I still consider the chief goal to avoid electing a power role to Wheatley. We want someone as (rule-wise) worthless as possible, since if he turns, we won't lose hard assets for the town. I also thing we want someone who's definitely town. So...

me.

Another thought (and I'm not sure this will work) is that we could just never kill GLaDOS, and Wheatley won't turn evil?

On March 18 2012 09:50 Hassybaby wrote:
And God help us if GLaDOS gets the cores...

On March 18 2012 19:46 Jayjay54 wrote:


Your threats show, how much of a liability to town you are. You are willing to screw town over just to fullfil your wincon. We can't leave you alive.

Why would you laugh at me? I believe you are third and am completely willing to lynch you, even if everything you say is true.

On March 18 2012 23:18 blubbdavid wrote:
blzinghand is talking too much imo. And his case on zelblade is ridiculous.

I hope velinath becomes a worthy robot.

On March 18 2012 23:47 Bluelightz wrote:
Here it is I think that

Dirk - Fluffy fluff fluff, lurking hardcore
Sinani - Lurking
Drazerk - I'm fairly sure the Balrog is an anti town role, because that Shadow & Flames doesnt sound like a town kill flavor.

are anti-town roles, Can't be sure if 3rd party/Scum on either of em.

I would be fine for lynching any of the above.

On March 18 2012 23:50 Hassybaby wrote:
Add Kita to the list. His 3 posts so far have been:

/in
lol game started, catching up in a bit
lol too tired, catching up in the morning

On March 19 2012 00:13 Velinath wrote:
Don't waste the lynch on a lurker, IMO. We have a known third party, and we can vig lurkers as discussed earlier.

On March 19 2012 00:16 Jayjay54 wrote:
I just want to add:

to all of you who say "we have to get rid of drazerk at some point", you are right. But NOW is the point. Town will accumulate more information over time, lurkers will have to post, opinions stated. D1 is the lynch which is normally the most random. The information is little, we have seen no nightkills.

Why would you propose to trade the lynch NOW for a later day lynch when we have a lot more information and cases to fall back onto?

We don't want to have a killing third party around on LYLO. Let's take care of this problem now, get the items and use the information, we gain (from night actions), to get a good D2 lynch.

On March 19 2012 00:21 Hassybaby wrote:
Jayjay, there's one bit you're forgetting though. If Drazerk is lynched then there is a small chance his items go to scum, just because it a roll of the dice and they could vote him to have a throw

If he's vigged, then a town gets the items

On March 19 2012 00:25 Jayjay54 wrote:


if we all vote you then town has like a 65% chance or so.

On March 19 2012 00:35 Jayjay54 wrote:
screw items and stuff.

there just will never be a better time to get rid of third party then D1. If we ever have a lack of good candidates (other than lurkers) it is now.

if he (as he claimed) has 3 items, he will most def fire into town tomorrow to fulfill his wincon as fast as possible (if he didn't lie). He will then hope that gandalf has an item and begs for another.

so even if he tells the truth about his wincon, he will shoot into town tomorrow.

nuff' said. he's a good D1 lynch.

On March 19 2012 01:22 Velinath wrote:

Excellent now we have absolutely no reason not to lynch you

On March 19 2012 01:32 Zephirdd wrote:


> Directs blues
> Asks for blue claims

Yeah, I'm electing BH and I got my scum right here.

[b]##Elect: BH[/b
##VoteLynch: Paperscraps

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Extras for his case:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=62048

> Unnecessary clarifications
> Finds a lurker to park his vote in
> Keeps saying how good Velinath is, even though it was suggested by the one player he wants to lynch
> Wants to lynch Bluelightz because Bluelightz is Bluelightz; Never has a solid target

And most importantly, a very low activity as to be very careful with his own posts.

If anything, I'd say Veli is scumbuddy with Paper; However I am not sure about that at this point. Still, it's pretty clear that all Paper has done is to try to buddy up with a relatively well accepted player(as in, many people want him elected) while staying wishy-washy with his lynch targets. Oh, and of course, blue fishing.

On March 19 2012 01:38 ghost_403 wrote:
Sigh.

I try to lynch insane play, and it turns out he's a townie. (last game)

I try not to lynch insane play, and he admits to being scum.

Just can't win.

##vote: Drazerk

On March 19 2012 01:42 Grackaroni wrote:

Maybe he's a sleeper agent? he already admitted he was 3rd party.

If Drazerk actually survived the lynch he knows that people will be shooting him anyways so he's not going to waste time letting scum kill his target. Look at the way he plays now trying to threaten people for voting him by making up the anger core and threatening to give scum items if people vote for him.

Drazerk, I might believe your veli claim more if you tell us the full deal with your role. You're already getting lynched anyways.

On March 19 2012 01:45 ghost_403 wrote:
@draz - You said earlier you needed five items to cross the rift back into wherever the fuck it is you came from. Now, you tell us you gave away all your items to scum. According to you, that's playing against your wincon. Either you're a liar, or scum who knows he's going to get lynched. Either way, I'm okay with lynching you today.

On March 19 2012 02:20 Grackaroni wrote:
Voting Drazerk for obvious reasons.
Electing Velinath over BH because BH could be scary as the role and I felt like he was getting some random votes at the start which helped dissuade me from voting him. Velinath seems active and transparent and it's hard to do that as a new player if you are anti-town.

On March 19 2012 02:24 Grackaroni wrote:

Why are you helping me?

On March 19 2012 02:25 Velinath wrote:

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I'm just going to assume this is still your thing about how I must be third party. I've already explained how your reasoning doesn't work there.

On March 19 2012 02:28 Grackaroni wrote:

He can correct me if I'm wrong but I think his only other game was student and he acted transparently in that game as well.

On March 19 2012 02:29 Jayjay54 wrote:


ok, now we KNOW this is bullshit. While there may be a way for the cell leader to communicate with players, it won't work the other way round.

is veli really a newer player?

On March 19 2012 02:29 Grackaroni wrote:
Also I think Drazerk is just trying to distract town at this point, even if he is a sleepercell agent VE's role PM tells us that normal agents can't even communicate with the cell leader.

On March 19 2012 02:29 Velinath wrote:

Alright, now I know you've been lying basically the whole time, because I've stated before (and will again now) that I am town.

On March 19 2012 02:35 Jayjay54 wrote:
well, I don't buy Draz, I think he is messing.

Also, I didn't know Veli is new. He basically fits perfectly into my Wheatley profile.

Just be transparent about the abilities, k bro?

##Elect: Velinath

On March 19 2012 02:36 Lanaia wrote:
So, Drazerk, I can't tell if you're being serious or not, but if so...


why would the cell leader help YOU?



I can't understand any reason why cell leader would help you.
"I'm not scum, I'm third party." Technically any anti-town faction is scum, no?

Voting drazerk. Claimed scum is scum.

On March 19 2012 02:38 Grackaroni wrote:

did you give him your anger core as well?

On March 19 2012 02:41 Grackaroni wrote:

K, so the item never existed.

On March 19 2012 02:42 Jayjay54 wrote:


your completely full of shit bro. if you did this to screw town over, why not keep it and kill town

On March 19 2012 02:49 Kenpachi wrote:
This town sucks

On March 19 2012 02:50 Jayjay54 wrote:

ok I'll just stop talking to dead people (we still need 3 or so votes, vote draz if you haven't already).

The quoted post almost got lost and gives some players to look at. Especially the david one is interesting.

On March 19 2012 02:51 Jayjay54 wrote:


helpfull as ever. thank god, I experienced myself how helpfull you are as scum as well. Why do you even play this game? Seriously.

On March 19 2012 03:01 Grackaroni wrote:

Why is everybody in this anti-town state of mind?
There's a difference. Zelblade's EBWOP was in the middle of a post asking about sleeper cells and sleeper cell agents will try to find someway to breadcrumb their identity.



It's hard to believe that you are a veteran.
You don't give any reasoning on voting JJ.
You insult the town while choosing to vote for somebody who will not get lynched over a confirmed non-town player.
You still expect people to vote GlaDOS when you give people no reason to believe you are town.

On March 19 2012 03:31 blubbdavid wrote:
Imo the cell leader is able to communicate with everyone. He will never be 100% sure whether the one he is talking with is actually a cell member.

On March 19 2012 03:53 Grackaroni wrote:

Thanks again for shooting VE btw.

On March 19 2012 03:59 Foolishness wrote:
Mr. Drazerk has so far provided,
many reasons to be misguided.
He's a big distraction
and of another faction
kill him and we'll all be delighted.

##Unvote: Dirk Hardpec
##Vote: Drazerk

On March 19 2012 04:05 Foolishness wrote:

I did try to kill Dirk but my efforts was in vain.
And a no-lynch right now would certainly be lame.
Though I am taking caution,
there is no other option
When you die you'll suffer a whole world of pain!

On March 19 2012 04:14 Grackaroni wrote:

Wouldn't you agree that BH is getting over voted as well?
People were only willing to vote these 2 people and I think that BH getting votes was pretty random before he at least pointed out a questionable post by Zelblade.
I would have been happy doing it myself.

@Drazerk, you know I love questioning you. Your lynch was your own fault there were people calling you confirmed town after your VE shot. Why ruin that by posting a bunch of lies?

On March 19 2012 04:25 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
In order to defend myself, Foolishness, you must provide something I can defend against. Your sole complaint was that I used many words to say very little, and well... if that's your criteria for scumhunting I guess I must be scum. I tried to openly explain my thought process behind disbelieveing Drazerk's claim, and I still do think he will flip scum and not 3rd party or some other faction.

Just think about it for a little while, what is the point of having a third party in the game that town does not want/need to get rid of? the chances of there being such a third party are very little. It would also make for a very uninteresting role, as that person's best interest is to claim day1 and then just play whatever minigame they're in.

No, the only people it makes sense for to claim such a third party are mafia.

I will be voting Blazinghand into office. His explanation of the drazerk situation was both correct and funny.

When Drazerk flips scum, we will lynch with imputiny anyone who tried to actively push the idea that he couldn't be scum because of how he played.

##Elect Blazinghand

On March 19 2012 05:58 kitaman27 wrote:


They are rather Curious. Another game comes to Mind. To be Frank, I'm Always suspicious of people WhO hope to mislead us with Major distractions such as these. Food5

On March 19 2012 06:07 gonzaw wrote:



Cool story bro.

Even if that's the case we should still kill you so mafia can't join-win with you in LYLO



You are a little late there


Also, why do you want to elect me?
What do you think about me?

On March 19 2012 06:12 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't really either. I know VI wants to get lynched but do you kill people who voted you?

On March 19 2012 06:15 kitaman27 wrote:


Hmm? Not saying it was beneficial. I wasn't home all day with 6 hours of travel, St. Patricks Day and a dead harddrive. Just saying I'm not lurking



Maybe if you use a defeatist attitude like that.



Similar mindframe with myself? Or it was completely random.



Right, the Village Idiot who claims before the deadline?

On March 19 2012 06:42 Hassybaby wrote:
Ok, so Draz is basically dead. But from my count, Veli and Blazing are neck and neck at 13 each. 4 people should really have a look at these two candidates and pick the better option because other votes are a bit wasted.

On March 19 2012 07:12 Sbrubbles wrote:
So, Drazerk, you win when you get lynched? Good job for you, but how does that hamper us as town? If anything it doesn't allow you to joint win with scum in LYLO. There's probably more, but we'll find out what that is soon enough. I'm joining the bandwagon but would gladly vote for kenpachi for being the idiot who gave you an item.

On March 19 2012 07:21 Lanaia wrote:
Meh, we're better off without him anyway considering how much he must have lied. I mean, if he's VI... what the hell was all that other shit.

On March 19 2012 07:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
You guys are naive. He is not a VI. A VI jas no shooting ability. Even more so his shooting ability wouldnt have the flavour devoured by shadow and flame or whatever.

I like that sinani is modkilled. he has a decent chance of flipping scum.

On March 19 2012 07:39 sinani206 wrote:


no

##Vote: Drazerk

Hello, everyone. I'm back.

On March 19 2012 07:43 sinani206 wrote:

Except that's what I've been doing for the past hour. Otherwise I definitely wouldn't have voted you. These last 10 or so pages have changed that.

On March 19 2012 07:49 sinani206 wrote:


really? drazerk has pretty much been playing as if he wants to die.

On April 07 2012 00:53 Toadesstern wrote:
only followed this day1 but all I said in the obs QT was something along the lines: Lynch the VE-shooter (forgot who that was), next one to lynch: Blue followed by wiggles. Me so gosu :3

gg no re, will read a little bit into the game once I'm a little more rested.

On April 07 2012 00:57 ghost_403 wrote:
Uh, you told us that you gave all your item to the sleeper cell leader. (We didn't know they were toast.) What did you expect us to do?