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On March 26 2012 16:49 Jayjay54 wrote:
Ok guys, little sleep.
kitaman, if you don't come up with a nice explanation for why you visited gonzaw night one, you are the lord of th riiiiiift. However, if that's true, he seems to have no KP any more. Lynching third is prolly not the best option.
Other than that, "Mementoss" appeared in the QT. If that's really Mementoss and not an alias, dirk has made the most random choice ever. No help at all there. So if this IS Mementoss, I am fine with killing him.
I am willing to trust Nisani to a degree, however, I can't believe that he's still alive and scum killed yugi instead of the inventor. Spider-senses here.
What do you guys think?
@foolishness: only the title exists in english, I am in no mood to translate it all.
1) I think Nisani probably lived because after he claimed inventor, there was a decent possibility of a medic being on him. So, they shot a lower priority target instead. Also, if Nisani decided to change what he was making, they could very easily push a mislynch on him. One point for Nisani not being on the mafia team is that he actually gave the item to someone. If he was scum, because he was claiming after the deadline, he could very easily have given it to a team mate, and then claimed he had targeted one of the dead, flipped, town players.
2) If we don't want to lynch third party today, and we think Kita is third party, then we have to lynch him tomorrow. We can't let him get anywhere remotely near lylo, and judging on the numbers people have posted, it's looking like we're approaching some sort of 3 way stand-off. We can't let someone we think is third party get close to that, because he might try to act as a swing vote between town and mafia and the sleeper cell, to further his win condition. We also can't be sure if he's bullet-proof or not, so a lynch is the only way to kill him.
3) Inviting mementoss to his QT is very weird. It shows that it was pretty throwaway, and that he didn't really care that much about actually utilizing his role to the fullest. Could someone who was in the QT actually post what he talked to mementoss about? I'm interested to see, as it doesn't seem like he could use it best for collaboration with mementoss, because there were stronger players to invite, nor does he have to use it to judge if mementoss is scum or not, as he's more than capable of doing that in the thread. So, it seems more like it would be for manipulating mementoss, or just inviting him and not doing anything. Based on dirk's behaviour, he's very disinterested, and for Palmar, that's usually a sign of being scum.
I think Kita and Dirk are both fine lynches, and someone should shoot the other one tonight. Dirk inviting mementoss doesn't really say much about mementoss by itself to me. Maybe after dirk flips, it could be more revealing.
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On March 26 2012 22:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
1) I think Nisani probably lived because after he claimed inventor, there was a decent possibility of a medic being on him. So, they shot a lower priority target instead. Also, if Nisani decided to change what he was making, they could very easily push a mislynch on him. One point for Nisani not being on the mafia team is that he actually gave the item to someone. If he was scum, because he was claiming after the deadline, he could very easily have given it to a team mate, and then claimed he had targeted one of the dead, flipped, town players.
How do we know he did not give the item to his teammate? We have no idea where the item currently is. Also, it's doubtful at least that he could keep every item he invents for himself. He said he already kept the security camera, so I doutbt that he was able to keep the colour radiator as well.
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kitaman27
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On March 26 2012 22:24 Mementoss wrote:
1. I dont know how to exactly play in a game yet that has so many people its hard to analyse and its hard to not have your posts just buried.
Having more than 1 post over a 5 day period is generally a good start. You played in Newbie V so you know the damage an inactivte/apathetic townie can cause, yet you continue to not post. How did you go from the most competant town player to a player who is afraid of posting? During post game pms, we talked about how establishing your innocence is so important, yet you have put absolutely no effort into doing so.
On March 26 2012 22:24 Mementoss wrote:
2. I have a very pro town role, and have never played a pro-town role before. Only vanilla. I didn't want to fuck up in posting and ruin the town by getting myself killed..
"Hey guys, I'm blue. I'm going to claim at a completely random time just to let you know. I'll even add in some fear mongering to explain the consequences if you lynch me."
On March 26 2012 16:16 Foolishness wrote:
If everyone seems to agree
that Kita should be shot in the knee
then let's pile on the votes and get this guy cracked.
##Vote: Kitaman27
I liked your poems more when you were dead.
On March 26 2012 19:42 Adam4167 wrote:
This is of course assuming that Kita is the Lord of the riiiiiift, (something we cant know until he flips) otherwise he can probably die too.
I can confirm that I am not Lord of the Riiiiiiift without flipping, but I won't role claim at this point. This third party talk needs to stop. -_-
I did indeed shoot Palmar. He confirmed in the thread that he recieved a mod message indicating he would be shot. So are you guys saying that you think the scum doctor decided to heal the town aligned Palmar? Or that a town aligned doctor thought Palmar was the best heal?
As a mason (a role which town apparently already has 3 of), he has chosen to take advantage of the newer players though quicktopic manipulation. As a smurf, nobody would think twice of this plan. In the thread, he has shown complete apathy. You really think I'm the better lynch Foolishness? Do you actually think I'm scum/sleeper or are you jumping on the third party nonsense wagon?
Wiggles is still sketchy. He hasn't done anything this game.
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oh WOW, Big edit on my last post Kita= Kenpachi!!
I don't think you're 3rd party Kita.
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Also- I agree that mementoss choosing to disclose that he is a blue is just too suspicious for my liking...
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kitaman27
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On March 26 2012 17:36 phagga wrote:
- we have 2 confirmed dead mafias, up to 2 mafias remain.
How do you come to that conclusion?
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On March 26 2012 23:54 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 17:36 phagga wrote:
- we have 2 confirmed dead mafias, up to 2 mafias remain.
How do you come to that conclusion?
As I already wrote:
On March 26 2012 17:45 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 17:37 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 26 2012 17:36 phagga wrote:Sorry for missing the last 48 hours. Real life always gets the best of me on weekends. On March 26 2012 10:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
midnight, if paper would have been the last member, they had 1 1/2 kp each night (he can use both the kp and the ability if he's the last alive), which would kill three persons instead of two. there's at least one more and he has an ability worth sacrificing half a KP.
also, this mason network confuses me. we're 13 now if I counted right. There's (assumptions!) 2-3 thirds around, 1 scum and 2-3 cell. Which is around 6 anti town. I was specifically advised that scum may have masons. Do you guys have a QT? How many unique viewers do you have? This is fishy.
going to bed now. totally exhausted. I'll hand my final thesis in tomorrow! Yay for master's degree! Here is some players list math for now. I am posting this mostly for reference as some people seem to have a hard time keeping up on the player list, also this should make sure that noone can lurk away and get forgotten (I'm looking at you, Mementoss). I will post my thoughts on possible lynch candidates later. This is the current alive player list if I'm right. 2. Mr. Wiggles 5. Jayjay54 6. Kitaman27 7. Ghost_403 8. MidnightGladius 10. Kenpachi 13. Lanaia(Replaced By Mementoss) 16. Nisani201 19. Adam4167 25. Foolishness Was sent to android hell (and came back) 26. Sbrubbles 28. blubbdavid 29. Phagga 30. Maverick32x 31. Dirk Hardpec So we're at 15 alive Players. - Midnight and Maverick claim 5th party - We have 1 confirmed dead 3rd, up to 3 3rd Party remain - we have 1 confiremd dead cell agent, up to 3 cell agents remain - we have 2 confirmed dead mafias, up to 2 mafias remain. Am I correct that the 4th party is the sleeper cell? This would mean there is a minimum of 5 townies atm. Also there were 6 no-flips on N1/D2. 1 was Gonzaw, who is claimed to be 5th party. 1 was Foolishness, who came back from the dead (or never really was dead). This leaves 4 no-flips death who could all be in not-town roles, making it possible that there is a max of 9 townies atm. The 4 no-flips are Blazinghand, Cwave, Cyber_cheese and RayzorFlash. I guess, I miscounted. However, where did you read that there's 4 and not 6 scum? Out of the concensus in the thread. I remember that this is what was assumed after Drazerk shot VisceraEyes (Mafia has the same amount of members as the sleeper cell), also IF one assumes that Paperscraps was the last Mafia (as Midnight does), than it is more probable that there were only 4 of them, and 2 of them no-flipped. But you're right, it's possible that the mafia count is higher.
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@wiggles: Your point 1 is wrong. He gave the item to Hassy, who was killed last night by the scum team.
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While toss has been playing scummy, I'm not convinced he's the best lynch at the moment. Even if he is scum, lynching him doesn't tell us that much about the other scum players in the game. Is he a good vig shot? Sure, but that doesn't make him a good lynch. Tonight, I'll start digging through the filters to see which lynch would not only lynch scum/3rd party, but tell us a lot about what's going on in the game.
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The general behaviour of Mementoss makes him a good lynch candidate. If you look at other games of him, you will see a great disparity in play. Furthermore, his predecessor's (Lanaia) filter is also really lacking, without substance.
And btw, Kita you still didn't state why you visited Gonzaw. Why do you hesitate? What are you waiting for?
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kitaman27
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On March 27 2012 01:11 blubbdavid wrote:
And btw, Kita you still didn't state why you visited Gonzaw. Why do you hesitate? What are you waiting for?
It's not necessary to reveal my role at the moment.
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On March 26 2012 23:46 kitaman27 wrote:
I did indeed shoot Palmar. He confirmed in the thread that he recieved a mod message indicating he would be shot. So are you guys saying that you think the scum doctor decided to heal the town aligned Palmar? Or that a town aligned doctor thought Palmar was the best heal?
This is a flat out lie, I've repeatedly said I received no indication I was going to be shot, or that I had been shot.
Your case on wiggles is bullshit. You posted dumb shit throughout day 2.
You need to die now.
##Vote Kitaman27
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kitaman27
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On March 27 2012 01:33 Dirk Hardpec wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 23:46 kitaman27 wrote:
I did indeed shoot Palmar. He confirmed in the thread that he recieved a mod message indicating he would be shot. So are you guys saying that you think the scum doctor decided to heal the town aligned Palmar? Or that a town aligned doctor thought Palmar was the best heal?
This is a flat out lie, I've repeatedly said I received no indication I was going to be shot, or that I had been shot. Your case on wiggles is bullshit. You posted dumb shit throughout day 2. You need to die now. ##Vote Kitaman27
On March 25 2012 22:06 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
I am however on fire.
What do you think this means? That I'm giving you a big hug of flames and friendship?
So how did you survive being set on fire?
ugahqrjzhlyjzxoskp
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On March 27 2012 01:33 Dirk Hardpec wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 23:46 kitaman27 wrote:
I did indeed shoot Palmar. He confirmed in the thread that he recieved a mod message indicating he would be shot. So are you guys saying that you think the scum doctor decided to heal the town aligned Palmar? Or that a town aligned doctor thought Palmar was the best heal?
This is a flat out lie, I've repeatedly said I received no indication I was going to be shot, or that I had been shot. Your case on wiggles is bullshit. You posted dumb shit throughout day 2. You need to die now. ##Vote Kitaman27
This + the random letters makes me want to kill Kita.
##Vote Kitaman27
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Alright guys I'm going to try to explain my role to the town, without saying anything illegal about my role PM.
So basically here is what my role does. I have access to some kind of Computer Terminal which allows me to equip personality cores into it which then later give an option to use an ability at night. In my role PM I was given 2 personality cores. Lania's Night 1 action was to equip these cores. These cores were the following, Curiosity Core and the Morality Core. The Curiosity Core allows me to track someone, and the Morality Core allows me to use a medic ability. Only one ability may be used per night. Also I can equip new cores at night if they are given to me, however that is my action for the night.
These are all the cores in the game. Morality, Curiosity, Anger, Dampening, Space, Intelligence, Adventure, and Factual. My role PM states that if all the cores are equipped something will happen, but it gives no clue to if its good for town or mafia or third party. I really have no idea what it does, but its not a part of my win-con so I didn't really look into that much. As fishing for items coulda got me killed/If I did equip all the cores, who knows what could happen.
Night 2 I medic protected Dirk. Why? There generally seemed to be a lot of hostility towards Dirk, while I thought he was thought to be pretty townie, because of his role to be able to create this side thread. And the cases on him overall were pretty weak. It looked like he was attracting a vig shot, and I didn't want a townie to die. Maybe this is bad judgement? But it was the best idea I could think of, as that side QT could be a good way of getting information you couldn't in the thread otherwise/pass around scum hunting ideas/plans.
So here I am, stuck with this role, trying to catch with 60 pages of spam and mechanics talk, with a touch of analysis thrown in there. I looked into the most popular lynch cases at the time, just to decide which one I thought was best for a vote, I looked in the general part of the thread to see who was trusted and who was not trusted, then went through filter to make an opinion on that. It is hard to post when you are not confident in your reads and yourself, and generally just are confused at the state of the game.
Why did I claim? Because it looked like people were going to waste a vig shot on me double hurting the town. And I feel like I haven't been helpful really at all to the town, other than saving Dirk's life. I feel that maybe claiming could allow people to give me advice/ make me a more useful member to the town.
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Also, I am in the QT, I have no idea why I got invited so don't ask me. Also, kitaman wtf is with the random letter stuff.
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EBWOP and by Night two I meant last night.
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kitaman27
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On March 27 2012 02:49 Mementoss wrote:
Alright guys I'm going to try to explain my role to the town, without saying anything illegal about my role PM.
So basically here is what my role does. I have access to some kind of Computer Terminal which allows me to equip personality cores into it which then later give an option to use an ability at night. In my role PM I was given 2 personality cores. Lania's Night 1 action was to equip these cores. These cores were the following, Curiosity Core and the Morality Core. The Curiosity Core allows me to track someone, and the Morality Core allows me to use a medic ability. Only one ability may be used per night. Also I can equip new cores at night if they are given to me, however that is my action for the night.
These are all the cores in the game. Morality, Curiosity, Anger, Dampening, Space, Intelligence, Adventure, and Factual. My role PM states that if all the cores are equipped something will happen, but it gives no clue to if its good for town or mafia or third party. I really have no idea what it does, but its not a part of my win-con so I didn't really look into that much. As fishing for items coulda got me killed/If I did equip all the cores, who knows what could happen.
Night 2 I medic protected Dirk. Why? There generally seemed to be a lot of hostility towards Dirk, while I thought he was thought to be pretty townie, because of his role to be able to create this side thread. And the cases on him overall were pretty weak. It looked like he was attracting a vig shot, and I didn't want a townie to die. Maybe this is bad judgement? But it was the best idea I could think of, as that side QT could be a good way of getting information you couldn't in the thread otherwise/pass around scum hunting ideas/plans.
What was your night three action? I assume you tracked someone?
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kitaman27
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On March 27 2012 02:57 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 02:49 Mementoss wrote:
Alright guys I'm going to try to explain my role to the town, without saying anything illegal about my role PM.
So basically here is what my role does. I have access to some kind of Computer Terminal which allows me to equip personality cores into it which then later give an option to use an ability at night. In my role PM I was given 2 personality cores. Lania's Night 1 action was to equip these cores. These cores were the following, Curiosity Core and the Morality Core. The Curiosity Core allows me to track someone, and the Morality Core allows me to use a medic ability. Only one ability may be used per night. Also I can equip new cores at night if they are given to me, however that is my action for the night.
These are all the cores in the game. Morality, Curiosity, Anger, Dampening, Space, Intelligence, Adventure, and Factual. My role PM states that if all the cores are equipped something will happen, but it gives no clue to if its good for town or mafia or third party. I really have no idea what it does, but its not a part of my win-con so I didn't really look into that much. As fishing for items coulda got me killed/If I did equip all the cores, who knows what could happen.
Night 2 I medic protected Dirk. Why? There generally seemed to be a lot of hostility towards Dirk, while I thought he was thought to be pretty townie, because of his role to be able to create this side thread. And the cases on him overall were pretty weak. It looked like he was attracting a vig shot, and I didn't want a townie to die. Maybe this is bad judgement? But it was the best idea I could think of, as that side QT could be a good way of getting information you couldn't in the thread otherwise/pass around scum hunting ideas/plans. What was your night three action? I assume you tracked someone?
Ninja'd. There were three nights. What did you do on night two then?
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Hmm, discrepancies... interesting :D.
I told Maverick to watch Dirk during Night 2, and he told me in the QT that Dirk was visited by Willz and Kita. Yet you claim to have protected Dirk that night as well.
Needless to say, I trust Maverick far more than I trust you, but can you offer an explanation for why this might be?
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