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United States1825 Posts
On March 26 2012 08:28 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'm tempted to think that the Aperture Science mafia team is dead. Paperscraps' ability, coupled with the fact that he's been sending in kills these past two nights, strongly suggest that he was the last mafia member.
Maybe this is obvious, but what makes you think that? We're only down two confirmed mafia members at the moment. The likelyhood that two of them died night 1 is pretty low. I guess we'll know for sure after the next night.
I'd love to ask Veli for more info on the kingmaker thing just played. In his earlier post, he indicated that there would be some sort of list, but I don't know what for. The fact that it was given to JJ does seem weird, but I don't know what to make of that.
So far, haven't read anything that rules out the possibility of a scum inventor, but if Nisani is going to play nice, we should definitely keep him around.
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On March 23 2012 08:22 Velinath wrote:
on a side note, the lynch tomorrow will be based around a kingmaker item that's being sold on the black market. essentially the person who buys the item makes a list, and the top person on that list that survives today and the following night gets to choose the lynch target for tomorrow
FUCK. I don't think he ever told us who it was that bought the item. If he (or some other townie with access to the black market) bought the item, it makes sense for JayJay to be high on the list. But what are the implications otherwise?
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United States1825 Posts
Not really sure. We have no idea what the list has to do with anything. I'm incline to think that Veli was the only townie with access to the black market, but I could be wrong about that.
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On March 26 2012 09:09 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:22 Velinath wrote:
on a side note, the lynch tomorrow will be based around a kingmaker item that's being sold on the black market. essentially the person who buys the item makes a list, and the top person on that list that survives today and the following night gets to choose the lynch target for tomorrow FUCK. I don't think he ever told us who it was that bought the item. If he (or some other townie with access to the black market) bought the item, it makes sense for JayJay to be high on the list. But what are the implications otherwise?
oh, I totally forgot about that.
was anyone ever involved with the black market?
is there even anyone who claims making me king?
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On March 26 2012 09:08 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 08:28 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'm tempted to think that the Aperture Science mafia team is dead. Paperscraps' ability, coupled with the fact that he's been sending in kills these past two nights, strongly suggest that he was the last mafia member.
Maybe this is obvious, but what makes you think that? We're only down two confirmed mafia members at the moment. The likelyhood that two of them died night 1 is pretty low. I guess we'll know for sure after the next night.
I'd love to ask Veli for more info on the kingmaker thing just played. In his earlier post, he indicated that there would be some sort of list, but I don't know what for. The fact that it was given to JJ does seem weird, but I don't know what to make of that.
So far, haven't read anything that rules out the possibility of a scum inventor, but if Nisani is going to play nice, we should definitely keep him around.
Paperscraps' ability says that he can't both send in kills and use his burn ability unless he's the only member of his team remaining. As we know his kill flavor (was discouraged), we see that he was responsible for deaths on consecutive nights. If the mafia team has more members, they surely wouldn't want to give up KP by having Paperscraps send in any kills, but that looks to have happened.
The alternative is that there are multiple roles capable of dealing .5kp, and that Paperscraps took 2 cycles to kill one player and then killed another player who had already taken .5kp of damage.
It's not guaranteed, but I think the first alternative is far more likely than the second.
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On March 26 2012 09:16 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 09:09 Sbrubbles wrote:On March 23 2012 08:22 Velinath wrote:
on a side note, the lynch tomorrow will be based around a kingmaker item that's being sold on the black market. essentially the person who buys the item makes a list, and the top person on that list that survives today and the following night gets to choose the lynch target for tomorrow FUCK. I don't think he ever told us who it was that bought the item. If he (or some other townie with access to the black market) bought the item, it makes sense for JayJay to be high on the list. But what are the implications otherwise? oh, I totally forgot about that. was anyone ever involved with the black market? is there even anyone who claims making me king?
I was given access to the black market by other players. I do believe that Velinath, under the alias iloveoov, bought the watcher that he gave to ghost, and this kingmaker item, which he presumably trusted with you.
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On March 26 2012 09:18 MidnightGladius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 09:08 ghost_403 wrote:On March 26 2012 08:28 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'm tempted to think that the Aperture Science mafia team is dead. Paperscraps' ability, coupled with the fact that he's been sending in kills these past two nights, strongly suggest that he was the last mafia member.
Maybe this is obvious, but what makes you think that? We're only down two confirmed mafia members at the moment. The likelyhood that two of them died night 1 is pretty low. I guess we'll know for sure after the next night.
I'd love to ask Veli for more info on the kingmaker thing just played. In his earlier post, he indicated that there would be some sort of list, but I don't know what for. The fact that it was given to JJ does seem weird, but I don't know what to make of that.
So far, haven't read anything that rules out the possibility of a scum inventor, but if Nisani is going to play nice, we should definitely keep him around. Paperscraps' ability says that he can't both send in kills and use his burn ability unless he's the only member of his team remaining. As we know his kill flavor (was discouraged), we see that he was responsible for deaths on consecutive nights. If the mafia team has more members, they surely wouldn't want to give up KP by having Paperscraps send in any kills, but that looks to have happened. The alternative is that there are multiple roles capable of dealing .5kp, and that Paperscraps took 2 cycles to kill one player and then killed another player who had already taken .5kp of damage. It's not guaranteed, but I think the first alternative is far more likely than the second.
I think you misunderstood. Any scum player can carry out the mafia KP with the depending flavour. If he is the last player he can do the kill AND have his ability. Actually this indicates, that there's another member around with a better ability than his.
Then again, it's 2:30 am.
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On March 26 2012 09:19 MidnightGladius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 09:16 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 26 2012 09:09 Sbrubbles wrote:On March 23 2012 08:22 Velinath wrote:
on a side note, the lynch tomorrow will be based around a kingmaker item that's being sold on the black market. essentially the person who buys the item makes a list, and the top person on that list that survives today and the following night gets to choose the lynch target for tomorrow FUCK. I don't think he ever told us who it was that bought the item. If he (or some other townie with access to the black market) bought the item, it makes sense for JayJay to be high on the list. But what are the implications otherwise? oh, I totally forgot about that. was anyone ever involved with the black market? is there even anyone who claims making me king? I was given access to the black market by other players. I do believe that Velinath, under the alias iloveoov, bought the watcher that he gave to ghost, and this kingmaker item, which he presumably trusted with you.
interesting, why the hell are you in that black market thing? and do you have currency?
also, does the market still exist?
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
I'd be interested in reading the entire contents of the black market Midnight, if you are willing to copy and paste it in the thread.
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On March 26 2012 09:28 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 09:18 MidnightGladius wrote:On March 26 2012 09:08 ghost_403 wrote:On March 26 2012 08:28 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'm tempted to think that the Aperture Science mafia team is dead. Paperscraps' ability, coupled with the fact that he's been sending in kills these past two nights, strongly suggest that he was the last mafia member.
Maybe this is obvious, but what makes you think that? We're only down two confirmed mafia members at the moment. The likelyhood that two of them died night 1 is pretty low. I guess we'll know for sure after the next night.
I'd love to ask Veli for more info on the kingmaker thing just played. In his earlier post, he indicated that there would be some sort of list, but I don't know what for. The fact that it was given to JJ does seem weird, but I don't know what to make of that.
So far, haven't read anything that rules out the possibility of a scum inventor, but if Nisani is going to play nice, we should definitely keep him around. Paperscraps' ability says that he can't both send in kills and use his burn ability unless he's the only member of his team remaining. As we know his kill flavor (was discouraged), we see that he was responsible for deaths on consecutive nights. If the mafia team has more members, they surely wouldn't want to give up KP by having Paperscraps send in any kills, but that looks to have happened. The alternative is that there are multiple roles capable of dealing .5kp, and that Paperscraps took 2 cycles to kill one player and then killed another player who had already taken .5kp of damage. It's not guaranteed, but I think the first alternative is far more likely than the second. I think you misunderstood. Any scum player can carry out the mafia KP with the depending flavour. If he is the last player he can do the kill AND have his ability. Actually this indicates, that there's another member around with a better ability than his. Then again, it's 2:30 am.
From the flip:
You may also carry out kills on behalf of aperture science in the place of using your powers( you may perform both if you are the last remaining member).
Emphasis mine, and note the parenthetical clause.
On March 26 2012 09:29 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 09:19 MidnightGladius wrote:On March 26 2012 09:16 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 26 2012 09:09 Sbrubbles wrote:On March 23 2012 08:22 Velinath wrote:
on a side note, the lynch tomorrow will be based around a kingmaker item that's being sold on the black market. essentially the person who buys the item makes a list, and the top person on that list that survives today and the following night gets to choose the lynch target for tomorrow FUCK. I don't think he ever told us who it was that bought the item. If he (or some other townie with access to the black market) bought the item, it makes sense for JayJay to be high on the list. But what are the implications otherwise? oh, I totally forgot about that. was anyone ever involved with the black market? is there even anyone who claims making me king? I was given access to the black market by other players. I do believe that Velinath, under the alias iloveoov, bought the watcher that he gave to ghost, and this kingmaker item, which he presumably trusted with you. interesting, why the hell are you in that black market thing? and do you have currency? also, does the market still exist?
I think now is a good time to claim, so please read closely.
I am a member of House Chezinu, 5th Party, a mason group consisting of me, Maverick, and gonzaw. We are aligned with the town, and Maverick and gonzaw breadcrumbed this with the first letters of their sentences during the beginning of the game (I didn't bother, because I was lazy :D).
Gonzaw's plan was to claim the engine to draw fire, while actually giving it to one of us for protection. The details of his role flip would have allowed us to claim safely, and then we would have blanked one or more 3rd-party kill (which I still think are oneshot) and confirmed 2 town players. The masked flip made this plan not work as intended, so we've waited until now to reveal ourselves.
As an additional perk of being in the House, we elected me to be a member of the Black Market. My alias is BoxeR, and I used my 400$ to buy a kp and a watcher. However, at this time the Spell Breaker disabled my use of items, so I gave them to Maverick, who watched Dirk and attempted to shoot Nisani. However, due to failing to PM all 3 of the mods, his shot didn't go through, and Nisani claimed in the following day. Maverick then shot Paperscraps last night, but apparently it was superceded by the "Burned to Death" player.
I currently have 0$, but I do have 5 "Evidence Packets," which each are a one-shot framer item. I put them up for sale, but no one has shown interest in buying them.
The Market still exists. Today's auction item is "Delicious Cake," which enforces a posting restriction on a player so that they can't post for 24 hours. No one has yet to bid on it.
Kitaman, I can't disclose the full contents of the QT per rules, but I can tell you that there seem to have been 3 active participants: Me, Velinath, and one other, who bought the Companion Cube and was offering to sell letters (1-shot PMs). However, none of these were purchased either. There could be more participants, but if so, they haven't posted yet.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 26 2012 09:47 MidnightGladius wrote:
I am a member of House Chezinu, 5th Party, a mason group consisting of me, Maverick, and gonzaw. We are aligned with the town, and Maverick and gonzaw breadcrumbed this with the first letters of their sentences during the beginning of the game (I didn't bother, because I was lazy :D).
You are town or you are aligned with town? Does the role pm confirm that the other players cannot have a different alignment than yourself?
On March 26 2012 09:47 MidnightGladius wrote:
Kitaman, I can't disclose the full contents of the QT per rules, but I can tell you that there seem to have been 3 active participants: Me, Velinath, and one other, who bought the Companion Cube and was offering to sell letters (1-shot PMs). However, none of these were purchased either. There could be more participants, but if so, they haven't posted yet.
It might be a lot of work, but can you use time stamps and posting mannerisms to idenitify the third player's identity?
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This becomes a matter of semantics, but my role is in green, and I am told that I win with the town. Our alignments are not mutually mod-confirmed, but our interactions, especially those involving exchanging items, led us to mutually trust each other. I have a hard time believing that Maverick is scum or third party, because he could have easily shot me with the kp I gave him, taken the rest of items with no one the wiser, at no risk to himself.
Regarding the Black Market, I just looked back and there are 2 more posters in it, but they haven't posted anything since the very first day/night cycle. Most of the posts in there are bids and offers, so there isn't much to analyze in terms of style.
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midnight, if paper would have been the last member, they had 1 1/2 kp each night (he can use both the kp and the ability if he's the last alive), which would kill three persons instead of two. there's at least one more and he has an ability worth sacrificing half a KP.
also, this mason network confuses me. we're 13 now if I counted right. There's (assumptions!) 2-3 thirds around, 1 scum and 2-3 cell. Which is around 6 anti town. I was specifically advised that scum may have masons. Do you guys have a QT? How many unique viewers do you have? This is fishy.
going to bed now. totally exhausted. I'll hand my final thesis in tomorrow! Yay for master's degree!
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 26 2012 10:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
going to bed now. totally exhausted. I'll hand my final thesis in tomorrow! Yay for master's degree!
Congrats! Topic?
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On March 26 2012 10:16 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
going to bed now. totally exhausted. I'll hand my final thesis in tomorrow! Yay for master's degree! Congrats! Topic?
thanks!
"Method development and evaluation to design a material supply concept for variable batch production driven by volatile demand"
yes, that still counts as mechanical engineering here in Germany  I spezified in production engineering.
good night!
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On March 26 2012 10:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
midnight, if paper would have been the last member, they had 1 1/2 kp each night (he can use both the kp and the ability if he's the last alive), which would kill three persons instead of two. there's at least one more and he has an ability worth sacrificing half a KP.
also, this mason network confuses me. we're 13 now if I counted right. There's (assumptions!) 2-3 thirds around, 1 scum and 2-3 cell. Which is around 6 anti town. I was specifically advised that scum may have masons. Do you guys have a QT? How many unique viewers do you have? This is fishy.
going to bed now. totally exhausted. I'll hand my final thesis in tomorrow! Yay for master's degree!
Jayjay,
Night 1, he burns a player. (Grack)
------ I hypothesize that one of the hidden flips was Aperture mafia
Night 2, he burns a player. (Grack dies)
----- Bluelightz is lynched, leaving Paperscraps as the last Aperture mafia
Night 3, he burns a player and sends in a kill. (Hassy dies, presumably .5kp leftover)
Our QT's number of unique views (16) was modconfirmed to be limited to the three of us, and the mods.
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Wow ... this is quite a lot to take in, Midnight. Still, I really hope you're telling the truth, if only because I wouldn't know what to do if we figured that the kingmaker item was bought by scum (not Velinath) and JJ was one of them.
Tell me, what's the relationship between you two and Foolishness? I had him pegged as town for reviving after being killed by mafia, but clearly he knew about you two (and you two about him). What's going on?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 03:51 Foolishness wrote:
Lots of shit will happen in this town.
So before you can show a frown
I ask of you
don't look for clues
and to Chezinu I am not brown.
I assume you still have your kp? If your kill was superceded, then your item must have been refunded.
Last thing: not that I don't believe you, but I just can't see any breadcrumbing in Maverick and Gonzaw's posts. Can you elaborate?
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United States311 Posts
Hey guys,
I can confirm what Midnight said and clarify some of your questions.. yes we use a QT to talk.
I did my best to breadcrumb, but made a bunch of mistakes haha since I kept forgetting about it.. but its somewhat in there.. I only got to like Gonzaw and Midni and I stopped.. its the first letter of my posts...
@Brubbles- I also wanted to know about that as well... I assumed Chezinu was some kind of 'famous' mafia player?
I sent the Sentry after Paperscraps, which clearly didn't go as planned... I still have a remaining KP at night to use~ (I'm 99% sure..)
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On March 26 2012 10:27 Sbrubbles wrote:Wow ... this is quite a lot to take in, Midnight. Still, I really hope you're telling the truth, if only because I wouldn't know what to do if we figured that the kingmaker item was bought by scum (not Velinath) and JJ was one of them. Tell me, what's the relationship between you two and Foolishness? I had him pegged as town for reviving after being killed by mafia, but clearly he knew about you two (and you two about him). What's going on? + Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 03:51 Foolishness wrote:
Lots of shit will happen in this town.
So before you can show a frown
I ask of you
don't look for clues
and to Chezinu I am not brown. I assume you still have your kp? If your kill was superceded, then your item must have been refunded. Last thing: not that I don't believe you, but I just can't see any breadcrumbing in Maverick and Gonzaw's posts. Can you elaborate?
I know nothing of Foolishness, and I have no idea what he knows about us. I would actually love for him to explain that bit to me, as well.
I don't know if Maverick's kp was refunded or not, but I've played in games where stacking shots are refunded, or aren't refunded.
Gonzaw's breadcrumb is the first letter of each of his posts, starting with: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13948366
There a couple of messed up places, but it reads: MAVE_RI__CK MIDNIGHT ARE HOUSE CH_E__ZINU FIFT_ PARTY
Maverick did a similar thing, I can dig it up too, if you want.
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The mods told us that Maverick no longer has his KP  .
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