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Ugh, I hate the janitor effect :/.
The 3 "burned to death" deaths have a detail that seems unlikely to be coincidental: the three players are right next to each other on the player list. This sounds exactly like the RPG item described in the original "Blackaller Market," which leads me to a few conclusions:
- "burned to death" is probably not the mafia kill flavor
- The original target was Cyber_Cheese. Cwave and RayzorFlash were collateral damage
- The mafia killed one of gonzaw, Blazinghand, or Foolishness.
As gonzaw was obviously killed by KALTHAZAR, the mafia must have killed one of BH or Foolishness, and the other was more likely hit by 3rd party or a 2nd mafia KP than a town-aligned vigilante. Ultimately, I highly doubt that mafia has 3 KP right now.
I don't want to kill GlaDOS. I think doing so would be an excruciatingly bad idea.
I'm still not impressed with ghost's posting since after I noted him as lurking. He clearly didn't read properly about Kenpachi's campaign to kill GlaDOS, and he's only been making some general comments, without making any direct scum reads. That offer still stands, by the way.
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Did anyone else get item-blocked by the Breaker card, or was it just me?
Kita, everyone I've posted about my role has been true. When I said that I had no role abilities and won with the town, that was in the context of people worrying that a PR Wheatley might have to be killed later on if his win-condition changed.
Wiggles, that last post of yours says an awful lot of nothing. Why bother making it? You defend yourself against kita by saying that you're not going to bother defending against him, and then you post an unusually long string of fluff. I hope that your upcoming reads are solid, because otherwise I'm not getting a great town read from you, and I would hate to have for you to be on a team opposed to us.
Zeph and david: Seriously? If you're here, you might as well be contributing. This thread is near dead compared to where it was yesterday.
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On March 21 2012 07:52 Sbrubbles wrote:Few questions here: @Midnight + Show Spoiler +On March 21 2012 06:40 MidnightGladius wrote:
Did anyone else get item-blocked by the Breaker card, or was it just me?
Kita, everyone I've posted about my role has been true. When I said that I had no role abilities and won with the town, that was in the context of people worrying that a PR Wheatley might have to be killed later on if his win-condition changed.
Midnight, can you share with us what you meant by the "item-blocked" thing? Also, what's up with this:
At the same time that Grey posted the card in the thread, I received a PM from him telling me that my items have been disabled. I was not told the duration of the effect, so it might be 1 day, 1 cycle, or forever. At first I was wondering whether it was a targeted effect or a global effect. Now it's clear that someone targeted me.
/shakes fist
On March 21 2012 07:52 Sbrubbles wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2012 11:59 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 11:43 gonzaw wrote:
@Grack: Please post info about this Lemon Tree.
Did someone give you more lemons? What does the Lemon Tree do (apart I guess from just giving you more lemons)? I'm a 4th party role. I am unlynchable, bullet proof and I win with all possible roles/factions. Once per day/night cycle I must plant a lemon tree. My win condition is that I must collect the entire game's supply of lemons. My only weakness is that I am susceptible to poisoned lemons.... In reality, MidnightGladius said that people looking for lemons should grow a lemon tree... so i grew a lemon tree. It did nothing, and has no meaning. I haven't gotten anymore lemons but it's no big deal... unless of course I was telling the truth about my above role. On March 19 2012 12:12 Grackaroni wrote:
Because MG is masoned with me and has a similar role.
He is trying to collect potatoes.
he just posted the bit about the lemons to make my lemon tree planting seem less suspicious
Anyone trying to get potatoes? grow them. As far as I can tell, your only response was to call him silly. Did I miss something?
I made an offhand remark about the lemon trade discussion (telling people they should just grow their own lemons), and Grack tried planting a lemon tree in the thread. Gonzaw then freaked out and started asking him about it, and Grack claimed 4th party lemon tree grower in response. I thought it was an obvious joke, Grack later confirmed that he wasn't serious, and I'll confirm again that I'm not masoned with him, and I win with town, not by collecting potatoes <3
I will support the lynch on Dirk, pending his defense. Anything you can say about his role, JJ, or should we just believe that in good faith? I also wouldn't mind Nisani getting vigged, he responded to my pressure with a bunch of one-liners, and he still hasn't posted any reads..
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Any thoughts on Dirk, Maverick? He seems to be shaping up to be one of our possible lynch targets today, and you have yet to voice an opinion on him.
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To be honest, Dirk, I don't really see the merits of your case against kitaman, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, as long as you're going to maintain at least this level of activity. Note that this also hinges on Jayjay's claim about one of your abilities: if his shot on Nisani does indeed occur in a way that is consistent with how he has been describing it, then I'm much more willing to believe you.
Regardless, Bluelightz's list response to kita looks really shaky, and he hasn't responded to most of the questions put to him. I'm also confused by why he would marginalize his own case against Kenpachi by putting it in quotes. He also mentions wanting to lynch Sinani even before Kenpachi, which indicates that he either isn't reading, or is subtly trying to derail with a discussion of Jayjay's claim. Either way, he clearly isn't putting much effort into this game, even compared to the other games he's concurrently playing, and he clearly doesn't have the town's interests in mind.
##Vote: Bluelightz
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On March 22 2012 01:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 01:16 MidnightGladius wrote:
To be honest, Dirk, I don't really see the merits of your case against kitaman, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, as long as you're going to maintain at least this level of activity. Note that this also hinges on Jayjay's claim about one of your abilities: if his shot on Nisani does indeed occur in a way that is consistent with how he has been describing it, then I'm much more willing to believe you. So you're willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after constructing a poor case, yet before you stated that you would support his lynch? Why does a anti-town action make you less willing to lynch him?
This has already been answered, but I trust JayJay's claim about Dirk, contingent on his claim about Nisani. I've had a town read on JayJay for a while now, and as it makes no sense for him to lie about Nisani, I just don't see any motivations for him to lie about Dirk. His weak case notwithstanding, I don't think that he is the correct lynch today.
I'm also taking a look at the votes as they stand now, and I've noticed something real bizarre.
Bluelightz votes for Kenpachi in the thread here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13997915) but never votes for him in the voting thread. Afterwards, a ton of people cast votes without a corresponding ##Vote in the thread, which makes it really difficult for me to see who actually justified their vote.
Here are the players that cast a vote without making a post in the thread at around the same time:
- blubbdavid (on Bluelightz): posts a weak attack on Bluelightz 2 hours before voting,
- Paperscraps (on Dirk): votes 5 hours after his last post in the thread.
After we lynch Bluelightz today, I would definitely take a further look at these two.
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On March 22 2012 04:10 blubbdavid wrote:
I don't understand this. You are voting for bluelightz too.
I forgot to cast my vote after the case so I ninja'd it. But still, I am the first one to cast his vote on bluelightz (this day).
Ninja voting is very, very bad, and the fact that you admit to doing it, but didn't say so earlier without being prompted makes me very suspicious. The fact that I'm also voting for Bluelightz is not the point of contention here. Ironically enough, I'm more certain of his guilt because of his voting abnormality, and you claim that it's not a big deal? If we can't connect people's private thought processes to their public votes, then it becomes way easier to hide as scum.
For example, when Maverick ninja voted earlier, he immediately explained it the next day and provided reasoning for his vote (granted he was drunk on St. Patrick's Day, but the point stands). Things like that establish transparency, and it makes it possible to do ex post vote analysis.
While you're here, what were you trying to achieve by asking Kenpachi and Grackaroni their roles? Did you think that they would actually give you an answer?
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So we can actually confirm a mafia faction in this game. What a relief 
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I'm quite surprised that Nisani and Sinani are both alive.
I'm willing to believe zelblade's claim. His posting so far has been pro-town, and he handled the earlier sleeper agent accusation rather well. Barring other circumstances, I'd be willing to lynch kitaman today. His flip will also help explain the interactions between him, Dirk, and Jayjay.
Foolishness, glad to have you back, though a role that forces you to post in limericks and then doesn't let you die in peace sounds like no fun at all :D. You mentioned keeping up to date with the thread while you were dead. Do you have any reads for us?
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If there is still the chance that Jayjay's timing is off, and sinani is still going to die, I would hesitate to waste a lynch on him.
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Assuming that the mafia only send 1 KP, and given that Bluelightz was responsible for the "sent to android hell" deaths, it seems that the new mafia kill flavor is "discouraged." Foolishness and Grack both make sense as scum kills.
"Drowned in a sea of madness" could well be the sleeper cell kills, as BH and Zeph also make sense as scum kills, and I think the "burned to death" deaths are town-aligned, or are at least in the interests of town (killing lurkers).
The Lord of the Rift kill was probably one-shot, which suggests that the 4 "great powers" 3rd party each have one-shot unblockable KP, and that there are 2 more unused shots. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that they have similar win-conditions, where each "great power" is trying to kill one of the other 3. If this were the case, one would already have "won" and now only needs to survive. Perhaps this might even explain Dirk's behavior: he clearly can play this game very well, but has chosen to basically sit back and do nothing. It could be because he's already won.
If, as according to Jayjay, Dirk can telepathically mason with people at will, then it might be indicative of him being a "great power." Obviously, these are tentative conjectures, and I'd much rather stick with lynching someone like kita, nisani, or sbrubbles today, but I think it's worth taking into consideration.
Also, note that the destabilization level didn't rise further today. Clearly, the Lord of the Rift didn't get the Engine from gonzaw. One small victory for us, at least.
Velinath, are we supposed to trust ghost to also be transparent and use the item for the good of the town? From his last post, it surely doesn't seem like it :/. I would personally have felt much more comfortable if you had just used the item yourself and announced it.
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You received a watcher item at the beginning of Day 2, used it, and saw that willz visited Velinath during the Day?
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If Maverick watched Dirk last night and lived, then Dirk can't be a PGO.
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I still think that the 3 Burned to Death players were an RPG effect (kills 3 players consecutive in the signup) and then a normal shot. As all of the killed players have been lurkers, I think the kills belong to a town-aligned player. Of course, this is to an extent WIFOM, but what kind of scum player would shoot willz Night 2?
I assume that Maverick watched Dirk and didn't track willz, because if so, he would have known that willz had visited multiple people. Just to clarify, though, confirm that you did watch Dirk. Did anyone else visit him besides willz?
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EBWOP:
Forgot to add: It would make a lot more sense for Mav to be watching Dirk than for Mav to be tracking willz.
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Yeah, Nisani surviving the Night had to be some kind of fluke. It's still early in the Day, though, so I want to open up a few more cases so we don't waste a Day on what should have been a vig hit :/. Sbrubbles looks like the next good lurker lynch, but there's a good chance he will be Burned to Death, at this rate. I would guess that there are still 2 mafia and 2 sleepers, with 3 confirmed third parties, so there's still a lot of scum to find.
However, I have to take two midterms today before my Spring Break starts, so I won't be able to properly build cases until later this evening (and to be honest I probably shouldn't have been playing at all these last few days :S). For now,
##Vote: Nisani
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Gah. I thought I would be back in time to post last night, but after my midterms I ended up partying until 2 in the morning, and then I overslept this morning, got lunch with my parents, and drove back home for Spring Break. I wasn't able to read the last 5 pages of the thread, and I'm surprised that we let Nisani live, because his claim doesn't make any sense from the town-aligned perspective. He didn't give his name, made really anti-town items, and didn't play in a way to maximize the use of his items. He watched Velinath Night 2. Why would a town-aligned player watch him instead of someone more likely to be targeted by mafia? I'm just not buying it.
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On March 25 2012 05:40 GreYMisT wrote:
Vote Count!
Nisani201 (8): Jayjay54, MidnightGladius, Kenpachi, sinani206, Mementoss, Ghost_403, Hassybaby, The Dark Magician
Sinani206 (11): velinath, Sbrubbles, Maverick32x, Mr. Wiggles, Adam4167, phagga, blubbdavid, Nisani201, Foolishness, zelblade, kitaman27
With 20 Alive it takes 11 to lynch! the day ends in 2 hours and 30 minutes! 3 people still havn't voted!
Must be nice to be a double voter, eh, Hassybaby?
Nisani, I still don't believe your innocence, but it would be awfully nice if you made an item that would reveal to all the role PMs, or at least the alignments, of the people whose flips were hidden during Night 1.
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Huh, I guess Nisani isn't scum. His earlier actions still don't fit my expectations, but assuming that the radiator does indeed do what he claimed, we can force whoever has it to give it to our strongest townread and then have that player reveal the results. I don't have it, for what it's worth.
I'm tempted to think that the Aperture Science mafia team is dead. Paperscraps' ability, coupled with the fact that he's been sending in kills these past two nights, strongly suggest that he was the last mafia member.
[g]Now that Yugi is dead, and a full cycle has passed, am I still under the effect of the Spell Breaker item-blocking effect?[/g]
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So presumably our mysterious "Burner to Death" has the radiator :/. Whoever you are, if you don't think claiming is going to be helpful, then just pass the item along.
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