TL Mafia LII: JubJub Mafia

On March 11 2012 13:41 Jitsu wrote:
What about lying in PM's? In what situation would you use it? Can you logically and clearly explain you're reasoning to the rest of the town when the lie is brought out to the forums?

If yes - yes, I would be ok with that.
If no - no, don't lie.

Simple.

Again, calculated lies are something that could potentially have high risk/low reward. Remember that as well.

On March 11 2012 13:42 Abenson wrote:
Alright, checking in to the game.
Goal #1: Make all my post contain 3+ lines.

For the day 1 lynch I think we should just lynch the lurkers to force them to talk.

On March 11 2012 13:43 Abenson wrote:


Taken from the TL Mafia Quiz Thread

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On March 11 2012 18:19 prplhz wrote:
Hey guys

I'm surprised that Jackal58 is openly advocating that people announce who they are in PM contact with immediately. It's somewhat okay when a guy like Mattchew hides behind the "more information for town"-mantra, but I expect more from Jackal58.

If player A and player B are in contact with each other and they're both town, then why does the rest of the game need to know this? Scum can shoot into people to prevent town circles this way (as Mr. Wiggles already pointed out) and that's pretty bad. You are just giving scum extra information.

The PM mechanism is a town favored mechanism and we shouldn't be so afraid of it as everybody seems to be. We should instead encourage people to use it wisely. Fear mongering such as "Oh, BloodyC0bbler used this in some game to kick town's ass so lets all be afraid of PMs" is harmful, while "Be ware that people might be scum, don't just trust them because they're in PM contact with you. Use your brain." is a lot more useful for the single townie and for town as a whole.

Also, Mr. Wiggles advice on "state in thread when someone rolefishes" is bad. Use your brain. If a guy asks you for his role then there's no real harm in that, both townies and scum would benefit from it. If he insists on you telling him his role while you're trying to talk about reads and analysis, then you can start getting suspicious.

I'm not going to announce who I'm in PM contact with, unless they're scum. Every townie who says that they're going to say in the thread who they're in contact with is making it less likely that other people contact them, which is a bad thing.

I'll probably write a list of people I think are going to be very active in this game and then RNG one of them and PM contact that guy. I didn't really decide yet.

On March 12 2012 02:42 Caller wrote:
i'd just like to say that people who say that we shouldn't lynch people for lying are already thinking about lying. And why would a townie want to lie right now? While their point is valid, they are just running interference for themselves.

gumshoe and jitsu come to mind here. At least one of you is mafia. The other is probably a stupid townie. i say we lynch one of them... after we kill doctor h, of course.

here's why we kill doctor h:

a) doctor h is town
mafia will likely be disorganized this round, so whether or not we kill him this does nothing.
b) doctor h is mafia
we take out mafia and their probable leader.

having played with doctor h numerous times i can tell you that he is a leader type. and if we take out the mafia leader we'd really fuck up the mafia organization and strategy.

tldr: one of jitsu and gumshoe is scum, we should kill doctor h because whether or not he's town or mafia, the worst thing that could happen is that we lose someone who would probably get hit early anyways, whereas at best we would take out somebody that is really essential to a mafia team's strategy.

On March 12 2012 03:13 Caller wrote:


i can come up with arbitrary lists too

jackal58
jackal58
jackal58
jackal58
jackal58

replace jackal58 with any of them. Any questions?

You havne't really procc'd my scummy as fuck trigger yet though. keep going though.

as for gumshoe:


you're wifoming like shit
nobody cares about an "ideal town environment" and "discussion" and "against us"
i alerady explained why doctorh should be lynched bro, nash equilibrium look it up
and finally i don't give a shit about policy. my job is to find mafia and get them killed. anything else is pointless.

On March 12 2012 09:14 jaybrundage wrote:
Matt lurking as mafia is a completely viable strategy. I dont think we should let it be.

Putting the threat of a lynch to lurkers forces them to contribute. Simple as that.

I think the jackal case can hold some merit. However i will hold my vote for now. I would like to see how he responds

On March 12 2012 17:37 prplhz wrote:It's not sarcasm, Jackal58 isn't the sarcasm-y kind of guy. Even if it is sarcasm, is that a townie thing? No it's not, sarcasm just makes the thread harder to read for other people.

On March 12 2012 19:21 prplhz wrote:
+1 for the Pink Floyd reference though.

@EchelonTee How do you feel about Jackal58? You only say that it's fast forming, but it's not really JubJubs flocking, it was three reasonable experienced townies who are very capable of forming their own opinion who all saw the same thing. If anything is unsettling, it's the lack of people jumping on the wagon after the initial three.

On March 12 2012 21:53 prplhz wrote:

I don't know that they're townies, duh. I think it's more likely that they're town than scum right now because they saw the same things I saw.

No, I never agreed with Caller's case on DoctorHelvetica, I made that clear in the thread multiple times, I wonder how you manage to miss that. Caller acknowledged this but he never called me scum so it's a lie when you say that Caller thinks that anybody who called his case bullshit had to be scum. No one complained about the fact that you called Caller's case bullshit, people complained about the way you called Caller's case bullshit.

On March 12 2012 19:21 prplhz wrote:
+1 for the Pink Floyd reference though.

@EchelonTee How do you feel about Jackal58? You only say that it's fast forming, but it's not really JubJubs flocking, it was three reasonable experienced townies who are very capable of forming their own opinion who all saw the same thing. If anything is unsettling, it's the lack of people jumping on the wagon after the initial three.

On March 12 2012 19:21 prplhz wrote:
I don't know that they're townies, duh. I think it's more likely that they're town than scum right now because they saw the same things I saw.

On March 13 2012 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I've been following the thread silently and I'm of the opinion that Caller is scum.

##Vote: Caller

His original case on DocH was a fucking joke - it was literally "he could be scum, and if he's town he's likely to get killed anyway, so let's kill him!" This alone is bad enough, but then he backpedals, says that it was a reaction test.

A reaction test. What kind of reactions was he looking for after a bullshit case like that? Either people calling it bullshit or people hopping onboard obviously. But here's where it gets strange. He gave cred to people who called his case bullshit.

Whaaaaat?

Let's roleplay for a minute: Let's say that Caller is town and is testing for reactions. In this exercise, let's assume for the moment that prplhz is scum, mkay? How do you think a scum prplhz is going to react to the case town-Caller put forward? If you said anything but "Call it fucking bullshit" then you're wrong. As scum, prplhz would be scared as shit of townCaller by virtue of Caller being an easily recognizable name on these forums, right? But then Caller does him a FAVOR and posts a laughable case on DocH. Like, I'd literally be doing a jig if I were scum reading Caller's initial case.

But Caller gives TOWNCRED to prplhz for calling his case BS! That doesn't even make sense - scum benefit more from calling out Caller than town would in that situation - Caller's DocH case was bad enough without someone calling it bad.

I think Caller put forward an easily recognizable shit case with the sole intention of buddying up by giving them towncred anyone who called it bullshit. For this reason, I'm pretty convinced that prplhz is town and Caller is scum.

On March 13 2012 02:51 jaybrundage wrote:

Hate on me all you want. There is a perfectly reasonable chance that Jackal is mafia. Now instead of pushing his reads on other people he is just making flimsy arguments. A case based mosty on meta is still a case.


I voted Schworz. Because as a is stated i want to get some reactions sadly i didn't get as many as I wanted. I also dont like
Rg's play style.

The list I posted was the people that were lurking at that point. Putting pressure on lurkers is never bad. Its important that we keep our options open and think about lynching a lurker if no other good scum lynches come up.

I decided to vote for jackal because i think the cases on him are decent. While mostly based on meta sometimes cases on meta to come thru. I didn't really post a case. Because Curu's case and prplhz mostly changed my mind. If i did post a case it would be rehashing and not worth posting.

That said. I like how the jackal case isn't getting much momentum. It makes me think we could have picked up on a scum.

On March 13 2012 03:34 Katina wrote:


I think it's interesting that you admit to being a bad player especially since I searched your name and found that you have played and hosted in multiple games. You are counting Caller out as scum because he was the first to make a case? Well if I would have known that it's that easy to get off your radar I would have done that first. In BC's game Liquid`Sheth was the first to make a case and he ended up being scum.

On March 13 2012 05:09 Jackal58 wrote:
What a derp fest.
Since I die night one anyways with the regularity of 90 year old virgin on a prune diet I'm claiming.
I'm Dreamflower. The suicidal vigilante. If I shoot a townie I die. Whether I hit them or not. So go lynch scum ya derps.
Start with Node. That's where I'm switching my vote too. Caller has a tendency to piss me off so I'll just ignore him until I decide to shoot him.

On March 13 2012 05:42 prplhz wrote:
I see no particular reason to believe or disbelieve Jackal58's claim, it hasn't changed how I think that he's scum.

I'd really like to be around for deadline but I'm going to bed soon. I expect Jackal58 to be dead tomorrow.

@Curu There's probably a role blocker since that's the most common scum role around, and all other common bases are covered with they funky KP powers.

On March 13 2012 06:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

See, the funny thing, is that I never actually wrote, or even implicated that they were all scum. I just wrote that prplhz calling Caller Curu and then Curu coming out with his own case right after looked like it was planned, and asked if they were communicating about it because it looked weird to me. In fact, the first person to draw the implication that I was calling them all scum together... was you.




So now, it looks like you're trying to set up a possible lynch on me, by saying that I've been posting only about mechanics and town strategy, and calling that post a forced and illogical attempt at scum-hunting. However, it was actually yourself who attributed my post to calling them scum. Funny, isn't it?

Hey, look! While I was writing, you did it again:

I'm assuming that I'm player A, but again, look at how DrH is trying to misrepresent me as calling prplhz and Curu scum, when I didn't write anything of the sort.

How long was it going to be before you tried to make a push for my lynch?


I don't think that will work. Jackal will claim roleblocked every night, and we won't be able to tell, because scum can use a cover, and if Jackal claims RB, we wouldn't know the difference.

Also, just to point it out now, the OP implies that the mafia are in possession of KP roles. Each member of the mafia contributes .5 KP, and there's 4 mafia. That's 2 KP to start. The cover ability costs 2.0 KP. That means, that mafia are not naturally able to use the cover ability in conjunction with a kill unless they recruit the traitor without losing any members, which seems unlikely. That implies to me, that the mafia are likely to have some sort of vigilante role, so that they actually have the option of using the cover to hide a kill in the game.

On March 13 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:


By posting this, you introduce another possibility:

prplhz is town, you shoot, scum block you, lynch you and if you're town, lynch prplhz and he's town.

But you know, it's like whatevs.

On March 13 2012 07:15 Curu wrote:
I'm looking at Werewolves and Jackal was a power role there about to be lynched.

He did not claim his role at all even when right before lynch to save himself.

He was highly, highly active leading up to his lynch, impossibly aggressive and pushing hard to make sure Town knew what he thought and who to lynch after he died. Look at his activity:












Same sort of thing in LOTR Mafia where he went ballistic when people were trying to lynch him.

His behavior this game is more like how he acted in Pick Their Power 2 (as scum) when pressured for lynch, posted a few things, tried to point the lynch at someone else but generally just disappeared and laid low (like now).

On March 13 2012 06:51 Curu wrote:
I am looking at it this way:

If Jackal is Town and we leave him alive he basically has to shoot. And the probability is very high that he hits a Townie. So in this case we have dead Town Jackal, dead Town someone else, and a dead lynch target. No one to me looks obvious scum enough to warrant switching the lynch like this.

If Jackal is Town and we lynch him then we've lynched a Townie day 1. We end up with a net of dead Town Jackal and lose a substitute dead lynch target.

If Jackal is scum then yay.

I don't feel like there is another candidate I want to lynch bad enough to take the tradeoff of high probability 2 Townie deaths vs low probability scum hit in the event that Jackal is Town.

Yeah you guys go on about "omg we killed a blue" but look at what the blue does. IMO in this scenario mislynching a blue suicidal Vig is better for Town than mislynching a Vanilla Townie.

On March 13 2012 07:54 Curu wrote:
lol at what point did Jackal ever indicate he was going to shoot me? He'd been going on about Caller and prplhz and his vote is on Caller.

You said the meta analysis was legit and now you're trying to claim that because the case is based on meta it's bad? What a fucking joke.

On March 13 2012 07:54 Curu wrote:
lol at what point did Jackal ever indicate he was going to shoot me? He'd been going on about Caller and prplhz and his vote is on Caller.

You said the meta analysis was legit and now you're trying to claim that because the case is based on meta it's bad? What a fucking joke.

On March 13 2012 11:36 Curu wrote:
The best Town player to have received the Dreamflower role, Mig, decided not to use the role at all because it was a role that had much more potential to harm Town than do good for Town.

I would argue that the Suicidal Vig role would be best played as just a Vanilla Townie since the costs outweigh the benefits but we can't exactly have that with Jackal now can we? He's only off the hook with many people because of his confirmable role claim. If he is Town then he has to use a role that's detrimental to Town to prove it, if he is Mafia then we've wasted a day and inevitably face this same discussion next cycle.

There's no other even close to realistic option at this point. It looks like we are headed squarely for a no lynch.

On March 13 2012 11:48 Curu wrote:
Yeah that's true Jackal, my dick is pretty huge.

The activity level in this game is pretty pathetic. Probably the worst I've ever played in. It's not even that we no lynched because people found other cases/other reads, we no lynched because only about 5 players in this game actually give a shit.

Do me a favour and shoot me if you're really Dreamflower Jackal. We can ride off into the sunset together.

On March 14 2012 07:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
VE, Palmar says you two talked for a while in PMs. What did you end up talking about?

On March 14 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote:


Mostly arguing about whether or not I should roleclaim to him. I asked him a few questions designed to help me determine his alignment, but those all flopped because he refused to read the thread at the time...something about being at work and hating effort.

On March 14 2012 07:28 prplhz wrote:

I thought the best thing for Jackal58 to do was to kill a scum.

On March 14 2012 09:49 deconduo wrote:
Sorry I haven't been around the last couple of days, real life hit unexpectedly. I'm playing catch up now though.

Jackal hasn't called me out on my massive amount of lurking. This alone to me indicates that he's probably scum. In any game where he's town he's the first person to call me out on absolutely anything.

Three people 'independantly' coming up with a case against him is shady as fuck, I guarantee at least two of Caller, prpl and Curu are PMing each other.

There was a handful of people pushing LAL at the start of the game, yet none of them have suggested lynching Caller after his Dr. H ploy. Why? If you follow LAL to the letter of the law, you should be pushing for Caller's lynch.

I've liked what I've seen from VE so far this game. Scum should definitely be scared of him. However don't assume he's town just because he's come off of a big win in Storm.

Where is Bill Murray? He almost has less posts than me and I've been around for about five minutes total.

More stuff coming up as I read through the thread.

On March 14 2012 10:37 jaybrundage wrote:


Simple, Its just like looking at someone that post's regularly. You look at there posts and see any hidden agenda's or inconsistencies. I'm post who i think we should lynch tommorow. Don't like posting cases at night D:

But Doc how about you do you think we should go for Caller or Jitsu still?

On March 14 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote:

mean to who?

On March 14 2012 13:14 Curu wrote:
Oh look Jackal didn't shoot what a fucking surprise.

On March 14 2012 22:19 Palmar wrote:
Jackal, that's not how it works, you already claimed that:





It's reasonable to assume you didn't shoot. In addition, assuming you are actually dreamflower and Curu is scum, how would he have any knowledge of whether or not you shot?

On March 14 2012 22:59 Palmar wrote:
Jackal this is boring why don't you answer my question rather than some unimportant shit asked by some unimportant person?

On March 14 2012 22:31 Mattchew wrote:
we started with 17 - 18 town vs 4 scum 1 traitor

I agree losing 2 extra townies would suck, but it would hardly cripple us... its weirder that jackal thought he was getting shot and didn't use his powers

On March 14 2012 22:36 Palmar wrote:
The problem is that it's not beneficial for town to have to be hung up on Jackal's alignment for so long. It's strictly inefficient not to shoot just to clear shit up. Remember, he was the prime lynch candidate last night but somehow did not get randomly lynched. Usually when deadline is close and a no lynch is happening people just flock towards whatever lynch works because they think it'll give them information, this didn't happen. Why?

And what's with the pessimism? Jackal is a decent player, he is well capable of shooting scum, especially when, assuming he's town, he has been the victim of tunneling for the last game-day, it should be quite possible to spot scum on that wagon, for the person on the other end.

Even if only to clear out some lurkertrash, jackal did the town a disfavour by not shooting.

On March 14 2012 23:17 Palmar wrote:


answer.

On March 14 2012 23:25 Curu wrote:
The fact that Jackal insinuated over and over that he was going to shoot then didn't is another giant sign. When the claim was saving him from lynch, he constantly said he would prove it by shooting. But then he doesn't. Because he can't.

On March 14 2012 23:53 Curu wrote:
Mattchew's looking pretty damn bad too. After VE made the case on Caller he didn't say anything about it, choosing to go for BM instead and not even commenting on the case.

After VE dies the case is suddenly "very good" and he decides to go with it without once mentioning or commenting on it before. Then he tries to ridicule the Jackal58 case with some stupid quoting from the OP then when Palmar lays it on Jackal as well he starts softly "reconsidering." Smells like riding the bandwagon to me.

Think Town, if I was scum what motivation would I possibly have to push Jackal as hard and singlemindedly as I am? To kill a "blue?" The blue role claimed is more detrimental to Town than Mafia, if I was Mafia I'd happily leave him be and let him do whatever he wants.

On March 15 2012 03:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Curu is lying, I never once said Jackal's role was good for town or pro-town. I said it's a retarded lynch.


"Why are we lynching a claimed blue with town KP instead of Jitsu again? Because this is a "normal" game ? "

Apparently not wanting to mislynch someone who is potentially useful down the line (after a broadcasted DT check for example) which I say easily in the same breath as calling it a role that is generally bad for town, those statements are in no way contradictory, means I think his role is great for town and I'm a liar

Curu you are either scum or a complete fucking moron

On March 15 2012 06:51 Mattchew wrote:
jackal have you used your pm's?

On March 15 2012 07:30 prplhz wrote:
Yea, but you didn't think so. Your case was bad from your point of view and that was what I was trying to say.

The chance is not 19/23.

There are 22 other townies than him and 5 bad guys, 4 scum + 1 traitor. Quickly down to 5/18, or almost 1/3. Jackal58 is a smart guy and I believe that he could make those odds even better.

I thought the risk of him shooting into his best scum read was worth the reward of having the issue resolved. Curu and Palmar both think this too so there has to be something about it, yes?

On March 15 2012 06:31 Kurumi wrote:

1st:
He was after Jackal58 day one. He believed he was scum. He dropped him, without any mention on D2 and jumped on me without any strong evidence. He's now gone too. I have no idea what's going there, but I think it's scummy.
I don't know how his team decided to play it out. They were probably convinced I am really traitor so they made Jay go for easy cred in case I die or something and try to recruit me and go from there. But it failed, because I am not the traitor. But thanks to my trap they can use it to push my lynch, I knew it could backfire on me. I took the risk for the greater good.

Hey Jackal, did You get roleblocked tonight?
You haven't said anything so I guess no.

On March 15 2012 08:13 layabout wrote:
@"People that have played multiple games with Kurumi",

Do you think a town-aligned Kurumi would act as he has acted so far?

On March 15 2012 08:28 prplhz wrote:
Yea this whole argument against DoctorHelvetica was mostly just for my amusement but the rest of your case I don't agree with. (could call it bad but then you're just going to call me negative)

I have a hard time reading Kurumi's behavior because he insists on making a big thing out of being insane and polish in all games. Like this Rattata needs friends traitor hint pokémon rant stuff, I have no idea what to make of it other than Kurumi trying to make himself harder to understand while complaining that people don't want to understand him. His actions speak for themselves though.

@Kurumi Hinting on night1 that you were fake claiming traitor when townies were already complaining means nothing.

On March 15 2012 08:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
jackals claim was OBVIOUSLY fake but kurumi is tellin the truth right? fuck

On March 15 2012 08:49 Mattchew wrote:
jackal you gonna shoot tonight?

On March 15 2012 08:47 deconduo wrote:


I'm here. Voting Kurumi for his obviously faked claim.

##Vote Kurumi

On March 15 2012 09:22 prplhz wrote:
DoctorHelvetica is a guy who has a set of opinions that he considers unequivocally true and consequently the people who disagree with him the loudest has to be scum.

I don't really think you're scum anymore.

On March 15 2012 21:04 Palmar wrote:
Might lynch Caller though.

On March 15 2012 21:53 deconduo wrote:


Why would a town come up with a completely fake claim to defend Jackal?

On March 15 2012 21:54 Palmar wrote:
Cause bleurgh. Maybe I'm wrong though, I'm not gonna stop a lynch on him. I still want to lynch you Deconduo.

On March 15 2012 21:56 Palmar wrote:


Can't you just shoot him tongiht?

On March 15 2012 23:51 Palmar wrote:
I don't care.

On March 16 2012 00:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

Why do you think Kurumi's a townie?

It seems much more likely, that he's actually scum, not the traitor, and that dreamer was provided to mafia as a safeclaim. So, he knows what the role does, but he had to make up his own dreams, which ultimately revealed him. Dreamer's a decent thing to claim, because if you write your dream cryptically enough, you can probably get town to waste a whole bunch of time trying to decipher it, when it's complete gibberish. Also, if Kurumi's actually scum and trying to cover for you, it puts you in a much worse light. As traitor, it could have been he just thought you were scum, but as scum, he would have known you were scum.

Also, Kurumi's traitor behaviour makes sense for mafia. "Pretending to be the traitor" seems like a decent enough way to attract him into PMs with him. It's like a public call-out to the traitor.

On March 16 2012 01:03 Palmar wrote:
you should've shot jackal, but at least, don't worry. I'm joining you soon enough, scum will win this game ez.

I'm never replacing into games again.

On March 16 2012 01:49 Palmar wrote:


I can't say that when mattchew suggested just lynching I wasn't thrilled by the idea of killing you. In addition, you got shot by mafia in storm Jackal.

I wonder if I can change my lynch, that would be interesting.

On March 16 2012 02:10 Palmar wrote:
Bad sentence, sorry, second language etc.

What I'm trying to say.

Mattchew told me to just lynch you, and I was excited, because I love the idea of killing you.

On March 16 2012 03:09 Mattchew wrote:
Hi guys. We are lynching Kurumi today because it is the right thing to do.

His "role" or defense of Jackal or w.e it is, is completely stupid. Him and Jackal have both caused chaos and shitfits for the past 3 days in the thread, and we need to move on past this. There is an extremely high chance of flipping scum and he is playing really badly.

On March 16 2012 04:44 prplhz wrote:
Jackal58 can you actually give us anything to go on now that you're dead? What is your scum team?

On March 16 2012 07:01 Curu wrote:
prplhz you should go vote for Kurumi. You too Caller. That puts us at majority.

The rest of the nonvoters are either scummy as fuck (EchelonTree, Katina, layabout), not even playing the game (Bill Murray, rgTheSchworz, Pandain), or presumably dead (Jackal58). I don't know what to make of gumshoe, I'd have to go read his posts.

Jackal buddy boy you should go vote for Kurumi too in case Palmar was bluffing.

On March 16 2012 07:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
A lot of people are probably suspicious of BM, just not as obvious of a scum as Kurumi is. Vote for Kurumi unless you want no-lynch.

On March 16 2012 07:22 gumshoe wrote:
Actually if someone posts an awesome case I will oblige it with a vote.

On March 16 2012 08:20 Curu wrote:
Realistically right now the choices are Kurumi or no lynch.

If you decide to vote somewhere else you are essentially stating that you firmly think Kurumi is Town or you for some other reason want him alive.

All you retards waiting for a "solid 100% scum case" need to smarten up because no one can provide a 100% sure-fire sign that someone is Mafia. If you are waiting for that shit go back to playing SC2 Mafia where everyone is a Detective.

On March 16 2012 08:43 Mattchew wrote:

I think he is town because i think Jackal is town

if jackal is town why the fuck would scum push SO hard to go as far as making up a role for him not to be lynched

On March 16 2012 08:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If all I have to do from now on to prove I'm town is defend townies I think I'll do that in every game I roll scum in from now on, I guess it doesn't matter how anti-town I play or how much I lie

On March 16 2012 09:29 prplhz wrote:

Yea those two were kind of Palmar's doing weren't they? Kinda unfair to blame Curu I'd say.

On March 16 2012 10:47 Curu wrote:
No lynching only allows Town to get concrete information from who the Mafia decides to kill and you can be damn sure Mafia won't be killing anyone that will give us any useful information or connections.

It's actually mind boggling to see a Town so reluctant to use the lynch. The only reason you should be advocating a no lynch is if you are 95% sure that person is Town, which is utterly and completely impossible in this situation.