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On March 11 2012 13:40 Jackal58 wrote: Has anybody played with Katina or Abenson before? If so what can we expect? I have meta on both of them Katina is Lanaia, I believe. I am not as up to snuff on the scum game as from town, but I know I could do a good job with the scum if I was able to sense nervousness. In their town game, they like to be a backseat driver. I haven't played with Abenson in years, but from what I can remember, you can expect some crazy little guy who lives on the edge and doesn't take no for an answer hahaha it's not that bad he's kind of cute On March 11 2012 14:43 Caller wrote: goddamn u kids are so tryhard this is how its gonna work i'm gonna find the mafia, and then i'm gonna kill them. any questions? no? good. i say we kill gumshoe for being meta i also say we kill doctorh because i feel like it. i haven't summarily executed anyone in a while, even as a mod why doctorH? He feels like he is genuine to me... you know something I don't? I see both sides of the outting who you PM vs not I have outted it, and it cost the town, so I doubt I will be outting anything this game, unless Isee a blatant slip | ||
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On March 11 2012 14:09 gumshoe wrote: I dont think we should have to announce who were pming, but I do think we should all say when we have at least two people who have decided to pm us. Why? Because I dont think everyone should be pming the one guy who we all think is a great townie, everyone should have 4 contacts ideally, that way the spread of information is even and we have a better chance to gain more information as opposed to having everyone pming one guy. Of course that is optional and I wont suggest that you announce who has decided to pm you, just tell us when you have two contacts so we can keep the spread of pm lines even. i dont like this quote, and it earned my vote the guy doesnt want someone taking pms i always want to be the guy taking pms, personally, that's what i like death to the infidels | ||
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I remember Caller's posting earlier on in the day being suspect. He came in like a bull, china flying everywhere, and the broken glass and debris are making it easy to see a case on him being valid. tl;dr: catching up, asking questions, can see caller being scum | ||
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2) see LAL argument 3) *facepalm* I disagree with Jitsu. I feel fakeclaiming as a townie to soak a hit is very theoretically sound. I know it is viewed negatively, and helps mafia blend in, but I would argue I am very knowledgeable when it comes to playing the other side of the coin from history and meta. Mafia want to know who is what power role the most, so they can figure out how to untie the knot of the town's night actions. They hate not knowing who the doctors, watcher, trackers, whatever are. They want to be able to disrupt that. | ||
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i can decipher he is town from reading up on him he is my number one target when i have time for this game | ||
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mattchew is acknowledging defense is overrated, it is more of a slight town read than katina's katina shows genuine scumhunting, imo. However, it is ignorant to mourn the dead. I am going to sheep your vote, actually, Katina. voting node | ||
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we expect you to be like HI GUYS IM THE TRAITOR | ||
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i wasn't in the know on kurumi being scum, although that would have been nice considerin the town im stuck with this game | ||
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his reads are horrible though i don't like mattchew. i don't like him defending katina, either, considering her IIoA. | ||
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Ive been onto him since his very first post | ||
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that curu case is CRUNCHY caller, i knew you were scum since you're dead, spare us the suspense you're red, aren't you? | ||
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Expect a big post about these two and EchelonTee tomorrow; i've got you guys, take off your hats, royalty is entering the room | ||
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Wiggles is going in my town list I almost voted Abenson without even coming back to the thread, but seeing Wiggles posting the way he does reminds me of when I'm about to be lynched as a townie. I'm catching up backwards, so I haven't seen if anyone has claimed anything, and only caught this from a spoiler in a Mattchew or an EchelonTee post. I really view the Abenson lynch as pro-town, even if he is town If Abenson is a pro-town PR: He needs to claim asap, and we need to assess whether or not we believe him to be a PR or scum. I don't think this will be an issue whatsoever. If Abenson is pro-town townie: It's sort of a policy lynch; I don't care if he's scum, basically. Abenson, afaik, is really rusty, and he wasn't someone I'd have wanted in LYLO when you could have players like myself, deconduo, or curu making decisions instead, if curu even makes it that far. I love Abenson, always have, always will, but this, at worst, is a "cutting the fat" lynch that wiggles was trying to push on me (he didn't know I've been in PM land a bit more than people expect). If Abenson is scum, we crack a bottle of Patron, put it on ice, hi-five, and bromance. If you all want another candidate, I would definitely recommend EchelonTee. He and Caller were my initial scumreads, so I'm definitely wanting to go with that. I don't really have a case, it's just more the general feel of his early posting that made me believe he is scum... of course, I believed Mattchew was scum, too, but given the way the game has gone, I doubt he is. ##vote: Abenson | ||
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On March 22 2012 06:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He wants to lynch lurkers because he's scum and too scared to do anything else lol "klets just lynch lurkers guys i know theyre scum" is classic scum play, older than my grandpa yeah - if i see someone proposing this this far in, or a chain lynch, i'm going to rip my hair out On March 22 2012 07:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm learning a lot from JB. If anyone ever accuses me from now on I'll just say "you look bad tunneling a townie bro" and no one will ever think im scum brilliant well, i disagree I felt like you slipped on the most recent page, but reading back, I don't see it in your other posts I'm not going to let one weirdly worded sentence negatively effect my read on you, and considering I've only quoted you twice now, I'm beginning to believe that I'm tunneling on town, too, on you I'd like to provide personal meta here. Dr.H, you saw how I like to out my reads as scum, make fake lists, etc? Do you believe that I had a scumread on Caller early on in the game? Do you feel like I had any reaction to Kurumi (i.e. did I know Kurumi was scum)? On March 22 2012 07:07 jaybrundage wrote: I know I'm town. So your tunneling a townie is bad. But your right me lynching scum and pushing is my reads is really scummy >.> I haven't played meek at all this entire game. My first post was voting for Rg because i didn't like his play. You call me sheeping Palmar? Lol I thought Palmar might be scum for a long while. Doc you act like im confirmed scum. When this game ends and I'm town. You can just see how bad your read was. I have pushed lynches on Kurumi and I was one of the first to vote for Caller (wasn't to sure on him tho) The funniest part is that we have the same reads and you still think im scum. Pretty funny stuff. We are not lynching me period get over it. Would you be willing to lynch Katina tomorrow? Because that's the lynch i would like. Almost forgot Ill try to compile a case on Katina. Im so tired tho  this is a good post I like the point you made about not being sure about Caller. I was, but hearing you say you weren't sounds really good. It's that kind of reverse psychology that makes me believe you're probably town. On March 22 2012 07:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You're completely missing the point of my post. "I'm town" is not a defense nor does it indicate my alignment. Since when is anyone expected to have 100% of their reads right? I'm more upset by how awful you are as a player than anything, maybe that's clouding my judgment. Either way you flip, you are a horrible player since you said that he's awful regardless of what he flips, I want to hear what your read on him is Tell me what your read is on jaybundrage. On March 22 2012 08:06 Mattchew wrote: I do find it funny how jaybrun calls anyone (me and DocH) casting suspicion on him "tunneling" You as buddying scum? check. On March 22 2012 08:31 jaybrundage wrote: Not true Matt layabout was FOSing me and wanted to lynch me. I never said he was tunneling. Doc if you think im a bad player and that is clouding your judgement on my alignment. I don't know what to say to you stop being childish maybe? I just think what happened is that me being confident in my reads rubbed you the wrong way. Because of that you are trying to get me out of the game because you didn't like my cockiness? I don't usually play this aggressively. However nothing wrong with a play style switch. I disagree with you. I think I have been playing very well this game. I pushed Kurumi and I also think Katina will flip red as well. Funny Doc doesn't think I can prove that I'm not scum. Must be scum then. Doc I didn't know you played mafia jubjub style XD you people tunneling jay need to stop On March 22 2012 09:14 sandroba wrote: @docH you promised you'd explain why you think JB is scum and I still see nothing. All I see is useless argument going in circles. If you think the guy is scum you don't need to convince him, you present a case for us. Please be more objective. Are you stirring the pot, sandroba? I've got meta on Katina, and I am completely ok with this lynch. Lurking combined with that post on 78... plus it's not even lurking, it's active lurking, that's even worse... and she has sealed her fate. | ||
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I thought town was in a GREAT position, and I was merely coasting We're approaching LYLO tomorrow... | ||
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What happened to this, Katina? | ||
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It simplifies things Katina is town /speaking out against the thread I don't see why we need to lynch Dr.H tomorrow, Curu, and you know I'm town I'm definitely threatening to split votes on this one I want to filter the remaining players where are the filters? my vote was mainly pressure... I'm not really sold on Dr.H. I'm definitely leading tomorrow, I'm clear because of Matt | ||
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Apparently people weren't satisfied with that I am green checked, and it is LYLO, so you all need to vote with me If I'm voting you, and you're town, you better appeal to me My vote as of right now is going onto Katina She just contradicted herself - twice 1) Katina attacks dr.H for muddying the waters in relation to my confirmation. Katina then attacks me in PMs to layabout. That's a snake in the grass if I've ever seen one, trying to keep out of the public eye 2) Katina attacks Dr.H for making excuses in relation to the time they have in the thread, after literally just doing so: On March 27 2012 14:01 Katina wrote: Sorry, life kicked in today. and then attacks dr.h? I feel like scum pushed 2 mislynched yesterday, and they're just happy trying to ride this one as a counterwagon If Deconduo doesn't come off this lynch, I'm probably going to have to resignedly hop back onto it, as I'm 100% sure he is town at this point... if it's dr.h/layabout/echelon hats off to you gentlemen, but I'm just not buying dr.h as scum he has been pushed way too much all game, and still being pushed in LYLO? feels like a mislynch ##vote: katina | ||
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I have a huge townread on deconduo, why would scum have a pm checker? he's confirmably a pm checker, or so he claims, and if he has fooled me a third time then I'm going to become his personal fan - Flavor Cop layabout just towntold to me in pm, saying that if there is a mislynch, that it will be him. Notice the language? a mislynch. That's really town. I'm upset with him that he has been playing for the hammer so much, but I have to be logical here. Why would I be upset with him? Because he's on my side - Townie DoctorH is trying his ass off, still, after the pressure switched onto katina, to get jaybundrage lynched? Why? Because it's lylo. He is putting his personal life into this game more than he should, and needs to drop the caveman game, but he is a class act as an individual, and I will always support him. I am so very surprised that he wasn't lynched yesterday, the day before, or the day before that in relation to the Kurumi lynch. He has been slaving away, always stating his reads, and stifling over the thread - Townie That's what made me not vote for him. I have this weird feeling in the back of my mind he isn't what we think he is. I thought, what if the mafia pushed not one mislynch, but two? Layabout spoke out against it. Sentinel wanted to push Wiggles, Deconduo, whoever... Sentinel was town, so is layabout. The people on it, because me and deconduo, was the 3rd voter - Katina. Katina is scum. She has been actively lurking, and playing in PM land. That is what scum do. They don't want to contribute until pressured. Jaybundrage was a little trickier. He is not doing what I expected, but I guess scum don't always have to be intelligent. He gets wrote off a lot because of that, yet he is still crafty, for he deceived me. I am not really that strong on this read. Echelon, ah, Echelon. From your very first post... literally the same as Caller I expected you to flip scum DoctorH looked terrible today, but he's still pushing, so this is making more sense to me Scum are: Katina/EchelonTee/Jaybundrage | ||
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if we're all happy with katina, all of a sudden, that makes no sense dr.h is defending her as a townie too Scum are bussing plain and simple let's not unvote this there is no other logical explanation let's let it be where there are no ties though we know katina is going to flip red i don't mind. It lowers their kill power to 1, so it will be 3:2 tomorrow, with more analysis. | ||
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when you said "Being logical and reasonable throughout a game is an indicator of being town, but as town, it's impossible and frankly incorrect to remain rigid to your stances." You say this, but is it not easier for scum to make up reasons? How is this indicative of someone being town at all? | ||
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I have been thinking about this, and I am very happy and content with this lynch. Katina has been caught lying and being hypocritical. | ||
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here is a little taster + Show Spoiler + I felt that after the Kurumi lynch it looked like scum were going to try to get Katina lynched next. Of course until we find out what Katina its all just WIFOM. Why would Mattchew claim the green check on you if he was scum? Original Message From Bill Murray: you don't see katina as potential lurking scum? I don't see the townread on matt from that, to be honest. What do you read out of that? Who are some of your other suspects? Hide nested quote - Original Message From deconduo: I though Mattchew might be scum too, but changed my mind after day/night 2. Specifically this post is where he started looking townish: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=316574¤tpage=60#1196 Original Message From Bill Murray: yeah ech and caller were my top 2 scumreads i was feeling mattchew for the 3rd Original Message From deconduo: Reading through his posts I suppose not. He wasn't exactly the driving force behind those lynches, but he was vocal enough. I just really hate it when people post like this in a closed setup: On March 19 2012 12:53 Curu wrote: So since I am triple super confirmed Town, everyone should go ahead and claim to me. On March 19 2012 13:04 Curu wrote: Mr. Wiggles, Jitsu, jaybrundage, Sentinel, BillMurray, Katina Abenson. Use your PM on me and roleclaim. Mattchew is probably town as well, as is DrH. I'm leaning scum on EchelonTee actually, thought? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=316574&user=152817 Original Message From Bill Murray: How is Curu scummy at all? You think he bussed two people? Original Message From deconduo: Yeah I'm pretty sure you're town as well, but I used all my PMs by the time I realised. I've already openly claimed in the thread so no need for a mouth though. What are your other reads? For me, Sentinel is almost certainly town. I also really don't like how Curu is trying to claim credit for everything, seems scummy to me. Abenson is another scum candidate. Original Message From Bill Murray: I have a huge townread on you I hope you don't prove me wrong I'm a townie, but if you want me to be your mouth, I'm down for that. | ||
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