TL Mafia LII: JubJub Mafia

On March 12 2012 03:30 jaybrundage wrote:
In response to gumshoe I think withholding information is completely fine. This would mostly affect our blues. If someone is role fishing you and you dont trust them then not giving them information. By ignoring the question or even straight up lying in that instance is fine.

Also I am firmly with the policy lynch all liars however more in the thread then pms. In Arkham City we had Rg lying multiple times in the thread making it hard for the town to get information, and completely discrediting himself. End game the town ended up lynching him Because they could not trust him at all. If he had been gone sooner town would have been better off. Also if we put this policy/guideline in place it will discourage people from blatantly lying, fake roleclaiming, and so on.

Regarding PMs i think that they would be better saved for late game usually. Announcing who you are PMing should be fine. I can see both arguments so it should be up to the individuals discretion although i am leaning on announcing.

This players have not posted in the thread yet. And i suggest we lynch one of them.

Katina
VisceraEyes
Node
[Uon]Sentinel
Pandain
RgTheSchoworz
Curu

On March 12 2012 04:01 Mattchew wrote:
so can someone explain to me why keeping your talking buddies private is helpful to town?

What i want to know is who people were talking to outside of thread before they die. It seems very helpful to scum to not reveal who they are PM'ing and kill them off if they are suspicious of them and we don't want to hold them accountable for being in talks with them?

On March 12 2012 07:22 layabout wrote:

"Hey i think we should share who we PM" - this is dumb pro-mafia sheeping

"I still think that we should announce our PMs but i am less sure than i was earlier because i am not sure if town are buying this crap"

so yeah lets kill Jaybrundage
Vote: jaybrundage

On March 11 2012 15:08 Mattchew wrote:

if i see a good veteran pm a not so good newbie that will raise an alarm really quickly.

On March 13 2012 01:21 Curu wrote:
I also don't buy this "don't lynch him yet, he's a good player etc etc" there is only one person I would extend this rule to and that is Mig because he is a crushing Town player and an awful scum player. You lynch based on who you think has the highest probability to flip scum, way back in the day when I was on the scumteam we were able to pull out a dominating victory because people kept pushing "don't lynch Curu/chaoser/Mig/etc yet because they are good players (we were all scum)," ended up constantly lynching newbies and Palmar, who was the one pushing pretty hard for all 3 of us. was then killed. Palmar's cases faded from memory and we cruised through the rest of the game.

Sentinel's vote is even worse, there are different merits and failures for sharing/not sharing who you are PMing. Neither option is inherently pro Town or pro Mafia, wanting a lynch on him because he advised sharing who you PM with is absurd.

On March 13 2012 06:37 Jitsu wrote:


As far back as I remember it, it is.

On March 14 2012 04:20 gumshoe wrote:


Traitor was brought back wasn't he?

someone ask in green! I dont know how.

On March 14 2012 04:53 gumshoe wrote:


Sentinal I thought we got the traitor back because I pmed syl before the start of the game and he mentioned it had been returned, why did you think the traitor was back?

On March 15 2012 01:14 Caller wrote:

Wait what?

On March 15 2012 02:25 Bill Murray wrote:
yeah sentinel
we expect you to be like HI GUYS IM THE TRAITOR

On March 15 2012 05:22 EchelonTee wrote:

did caller actually pm sentinel, or is someone lying?

On March 15 2012 05:58 EchelonTee wrote:

1. It makes utterly no sense to frame you, and I don't even think scum can frame someone as traitor.
2. Caller is implying that what you said makes no sense, or is false. I'll wait to see what he says

Frame: Cost .5KP makes a player appear as mafia for 1 night cycle.

On March 15 2012 07:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

Sentinel, why do you make no sense at all? If Caller believes you're the traitor, it probably means that he thinks you're the traitor based on your behaviour, not because he's a detective/is in contact with a detective. I don't get how you're making the logical leap to that. =/

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Kurumi, you've already claimed, so would you mind explaining exactly how your role works and what it does? I've tried searching it up, but I can't find anything specific, and it doesn't mean your role is the same.

Hi, I rolechecked you last night and found out that you're the traitor. What do you have to say for yourself?

On March 16 2012 03:58 Jitsu wrote:
Yeah, Sentinel gives me a raw feeling too. I don't believe this is the first time that he has promised content but (probably) won't deliver.

Sentinel, why are you waiting to the deadline? If it's something beneficial to town, wouldn't it be smart to solidify a vote on someone, whether Kurumi or else? Why give the smallest amount of time possible for town to discuss things that you might have to say that might change our mind on something.

On March 15 2012 00:58 Mattchew wrote:

Hi, I have flip flopped all over the place all game. This is because of ignorance and stupidity on my part. Sometimes I ignored and didn't fully read posts, and sometimes I didn't understand them.

Since Mason'ing Palmar I have been able to solicit better and more experienced opinions on what I am reading.

While I do not agree with literally everything Palmar believes in, I do firmly believe he is town (if he is scum he is putting in an exorbitant amount of work to convince me, someone barely anyone in this game listens to, that he is town). Seeing as Palmar is Palmar, and I have basically confirmed him as town, he is a great person to sheep or share ideas with.

Lets see how node flips.

Moving the game along, mostly because I don't have anything better to say about anyone else.

I'll post some stuff tonight, closer to deadline.

##Vote: Kurumi

On March 15 2012 05:54 Caller wrote:
i did in fact pm sentinel. you have a problem with that?

his response just made no sense to me.

I had a read on Sentinel as a traitor since there was that whole mixup about a traitor which seem to completely perplex him. So I offer to go pretend that I caught Sentinel as traitor on a rolecheck. I leave my self insurance in the form of a PM with Palmar where he agreed with me to go ahead and see if we could fish the traitor. As was pretty much expected, Sentinel runs around screaming that I had rolechecked him as traitor except that he wasn't traitor or something blah blah blah. Which, if he had been paying attention, is totally impossible, given that a) traitors don’t show up on rolechecks and b) I just shot somebody, and unless there’s some new meta where vigis also have dt powers, I’m not going to have a bloody check. This op basically does jack shit.

On March 18 2012 12:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
no, i think everyone is out getting drunk

On March 20 2012 01:40 prplhz wrote:
I'd rather just lynch blindly into whatever list Palmar posted before he died.

On March 22 2012 01:42 Mattchew wrote:
well this is fun. I'm trying to figure out if scum gave up or are sitting back laughing their asses off

Bill Murray was checked and cleared
Caller and Kurumi Flipped scum
Palmar, jitsu and gumshoe flipped town
Decon and Curu IMO have improved dramatically
Prp and Jackal are dead

This leaves what should be our next 3 lynches barring unforseen changes

Mr. Wiggles needs to die because he doesn't seem to care about how this game is going, just popping by to drop stupid posts every once in a while.
Abenson needs to die for lurking.
DrH needs to die for not wanting jackal to shoot and being in general pretty complacent with how badly the game is going

do not forget the dead

On March 20 2012 21:57 Mattchew wrote:
Mr. Wiggles is who we should be lynching.

Currently it is 10 - 3

If we mislynch it goes to 7 - 3 (unless medic or jailor saves)

if we mislynch again it goes to 4 - 3 (unless medic or jailor saves)

If we get our first lynch correct it goes to 9 - 2 (only 1 kp)

This is a CRUCIAL lynch for us.

[3/16/2012 10:52:17 PM] Matt Kaplan: who you checking
[3/16/2012 11:27:32 PM] Matt Kaplan: WHO'D YOU CHECK AND WHAT WERE THE RESULTS
[3/17/2012 12:05:28 AM] Palmar: bill murray
[3/17/2012 12:05:33 AM] Palmar: same as visceraeyes

##vote Mr. Wiggles

On March 18 2012 03:52 deconduo wrote:
I really really doubt mafia would have an infinite day vig, its just way too overpowered. Its much more likely that Caller is just bad.

On March 25 2012 23:53 jaybrundage wrote:
Curu we are not lynching Doc this is so dumb. We should be lynching katina we have been ignoring her all game. Every single person she has pushed as been town.