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One question to you Trackdoor, you say "Don't be afraid to accuse anyone", but we really don't know ANYTHING right now. I'd like to try to stick to the facts/logic that are presented. Your post sounds really bold for being a first post. I'm not saying there is anything particularly scummy about that.. just something I noticed! | ||
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On March 01 2012 12:38 gunman103 wrote: I agree. However, we will lose our number advantage more rapidly if we do lynch someone just for the sake of lynching. If there's no potential for information to be gained by lynching him, then we should not do so. I agree Gunman. I oppose any Random lynching.. I’d rather only do it for a reason. I’m going to touch a bit on this on my other posts… I’m finding some things a bit troubling with some of the other posters. You take this position again later on in the posts- and I like it. Trackd00r- Thank you. I agree. We need activity if we’re going to lynch successfully. What I’m most worried about is that the mafia are eyeing inactive townies and plan on trying to swing us in that direction…. Sufficiency- your posts REALLY made me think that you’re wanting to random lynch so that scum can get a 2 for 1. You make it sound like we’re in a very urgent situation- and I don’t see it that way. Also- what does FoS stand for? I’m assuming its an indication that you think gunman is scum because he doesn’t want to kill anyone off. I’m not thinking Gunman is being suspicious- but rather doesn’t want to sacrifice a townie. As I discussed a bit above. And wow, Sufficiency, you just keep accusing people with literally nothing to go on…. Tiystus- you’re in the same boat as Sufficiency- and it also makes me suspicious… Lastly friedchicken is also in the bandwagon… So.. believe it or not guys.. Tiystus, Friedchicken and Sufficiency… 3 support randomly lynching…. And there are 3 mafia…. I’d like to hear more out of you guys- but the bandwagoning behind this idea is highly suspicious…. Just to be clear, I'm against a completely Random Lynch. But I would be up for finding out if any of those 3 are mafia. | ||
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Also, if anyone is curious, our current lurkers are Mementoss, Rainmaker, Pablols and Beorn. So I'd be really interested to hear what you guys have to say about our current discussion as well. Lastly, I'd like Tiystus, Friedchicken and Sufficiency to explain to me the advantages of a Random Lynch and how doing so would be in the town's best interest. Keeping in mind we have a 75% chance of lynching a townie if we were do it randomly. | ||
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Situation Ratio of Mafia:town___ Percent Mafia influence_______ Change in Mafia Percentage Right now 3: 9 ______________ 33% Mafia Best case: 1:4 ______________ 25% Mafia ______________ -8% difference ______________ 25% chance of this Worst Case: 3: 7 ______________43% Mafia _____________+10% difference ______________75% chance of this Nothing 3:8: ______________ 37.5%Mafia ______________+4.5% Difference ______________ Depends. I'm not sure if this is helpful to anyone- but I'm finding this game really interesting!! I agree with your assessment that it will have a big payoff- but in all honesty, if we're thinking that a RL is the best option... not lynching will only result in slight change of the Mafia's influence, as opposed to the drastic choices associated with the other two. I guess I'm not much of a gambler- especially when there are 3 people in this thread who have an alternate agenda!! And we have 9 people still trying to orientate ourselves to 'who's, who'. It would be a lot easier for the mafia to influence our decisions on a random townie- which they KNOW is a random townie, and we wouldn't even know it until they've been lynched, and we're left trying to piece it all together. Not to mention if we randomly lynch someone, its likely that we won't get any information since they wouldn't of posted any information in the first place!! So as much as a big payoff as it is for the Town, it also could potentially be a HUGE pay off for the mafia- even more than for Town. One thing that obviously makes it difficult to go 'by the numbers' - is suspicions about certain people which make we feel like our percentage is a lot better that we'll hit a mafia. I appreciate your response- but can you also let me know why you think it is so urgent to make this decision at this point in the game? | ||
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Friedchicken: This is my biggest concern when it comes to lynching a lurker, and you guys can tell me I'm wrong, or that its stupid. Lets say all 3 mafia are being active right now. Wouldn't it make sense that they would want us to lynch someone who is not being active, since they KNOW that we would be lynching a town? They wouldn't even have to influence this decision, but just stay back and watch us kill someone. And then after we kill them, we would of literally made NO progress, and now be playing from even more behind. Mementoss: Thanks for posting. Concerning Trackd00r: My only thought is that his first post you quoted kinda doesn't imply that he's for a random lynch.. but that he would like to try to lynch someone the first day. I think these are two extremely different perspectives. Right now I'm FoS'ing Sufficiency. Accusatory out of nowhere, almost picking a fight with multiple people who really haven't given any information. And then is suspicious of someone because they don't want to take a huge risk? Just seems like he has a bit of an agenda to push... Not to mention it really didn't sit with me very well that he just accuses someone, yet has LITERALLY no proof/logic besides "he's a compromiser". What say you Sufficiency? Or anyone else about my assessment so far? | ||
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Agreed, my other two reads (Fried and Tiystus) I'm not as confident in. So I am open to reconsidering. OtoshimonoU is a good read on your part- I'll keep my eye on it. I like your reasoning on it with the "follows what is the trend". I'll be interested to see how that pans out. @RainMaker- Thats a good point- but I guess thats an issue of do we want to lynch someone because they're not playing the game well? I think its important to remember that our goal is to get mafia. But I do see your point. @Trackd00r- haha, the calculations were a bit much, I agree. I'm trying to prevent a random lynch. I see a lynch as an opportunity to actually use the information we have to see if its accurate- not as chance to get 'lucky'.... How much time do we have before a vote? I'm thinking that we may get some information from that? | ||
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@Mementoss- Good reads. I also want to hear more from sufficiency!!! I know you guys are looking at OtoshimonoU and Pablols, but I didn't get a good a read off them intially... however based on that last post, I will agree that these are my main 3 suspects. Also I specifically asked a couple questions to some people, and I'm curious to see if they're sidestepped or if they confront the question.. | ||
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But Mementoss has a good argument for OtoshimonU and Pablols as well... obviously they all can't be mafia.. but those are the people that are sticking out suspiciously at this moment.. I'm hoping that my 'suspicions' are well explained and logical, I don't want to appear bloodthirsty, but I also think its important to apply some pressure and see what pans out. | ||
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This is ALL of my reads over the past day. Let me know what you think. If any is inaccurate let me know, but I broke it down into looking at each player's tendency to agree/disagree with someone else to see if there are any patterns of "allegiance" that I can spot. I also looked at behaviors that can be interpreted as either Mafia or Town. I obviously couldn't hit on everything, but these were the things that jumped out at me.. feel free to agree/disagree all you'd like. Lastly, I put in some miscellaneous information that I just thought was interesting or factual about a stance that the person had. I obviously didn't write stuff about myself, but if you'd like to create one for me, go ahead. 1.) gunman103 – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Dimx2 Disagrees with: Sufficiency. Mafia Behaviors: A kind of wishy-washy with his policy. Starts to fall to RL as a last resort if necessary. Though previously stated he wants to lynch for info, he now is considering a RL, but would prefer a ‘lurker’. Town Behaviors: Doesn’t want to lynch unless there is information to be gained. Repeats this information. Reinforces this idea a third time Misc: Against random lynching. Should only lynch for info. . 2.) Mementoss – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Maverickx2 Disagrees with: Trackd00r but takes it back. Sufficiency, OtoshimonUx3, Friedchicken, Pablols Mafia Behaviors: Possibly keeping attention off himself by focusing on others, Especially OtoshimonoU. Town Behaviors: Against Random Lynch- presents a well thought out argument. Continues to detail out his reasoning. Consistent with the people he disagrees with and the people he suspects. Misc: Claims himself as one of the most active. True? 3.) Rainmaker5 + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Dissagrees with: Mafia Behaviors: Willing to sac a townie. Responds very late with little substancex2 Town Behaviors: Misc: Wants to move onto a new topic since random lynch has been discussed to death. 4.) Pablols – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Disagrees with: Trakd00r-> takes it back(after being exonerated by him), lightly disagrees with Maverick, Mementossx4 Mafia Behaviors: Brings it back to the RL, despite everyone moving on from it. Rambles on a bit at this point. Town Behaviors: Decently argues for a move to lynch in looking at the long term perspective, willing to take a risk. Puts a lot of effort into pointing out that Mementoss if taking his words out of context. Wants to lynch for a purpose. Misc: Randomly accuses Mementoss seemingly because he is upset that he was accussed. A bit overaction. 5.) Tiystus – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Disagrees with: Mementoss Mafia Behaviors: Indecisive. Encouraging risky/chaotic behaviors.Still contradictory statements. Says Dim is town, but then also accuses him of possibly being mafia. Brings back the RL discussion (though he has been mia for awhile) Town Behaviors: Would rather go with a hunch than a RL, but feels a lynch is necessary or town will lose. Misc: all for random lynch- posts that he’s reluctant. Sticks with reluctance, but again is on the “we need to do something NOW train” Back tracks and now is saying RL is a last resort. Didn't answer numerous questions directed at him. 6.) DimmuKlok – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Trackd00r, Mementoss Disagress with Mafia Behaviors: First post indicates a strong desire to try to push for a lynch. Town Behaviors: Still thinks we could lynch a lurker to ‘flush out mafia’, but doesn’t want to randomly do it. Recognizes that we are talking circles about Random lynching or not and wants to change topics. Misc:wants to lynch on day 1. But wants to see active posters and seems to want to decide on someone. Against random lynching though. 7.) Sufficiency –. + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: Wants to RL- pushes this hard. Accusses without any evidence or reasoning. Town Behaviors: Agrees with: Disagrees with: Gunman, OtoshimonU 8.) friedchicken – + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: poor logic, wants to lynch no matter what. Flips kind of. Would be willing to lynch a lurker, not necessarily random. There could be only town that are lurking however, so this could be a setup. Town Behaviors: 9.) Maverick32x 10.) trackd00r – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Pablols Disagrees with: Sufficiency- then flips to say he is town. OtoshimonUx2 Mafia Behaviors: Seems eager in the initial post to try to get people to accuse others right away. Uses past game as evidence of his ability to hunt down mafia to try to set up innocence. Brings up that the activity is too low, but hasn’t posted much. Town Behaviors: Initial post is encouraging and pro-town. Continues this trend, wants to hear people talk. Doesn’t want to RL Misc:Seems positive about staying active. Focuses on wording as his evidence. 11.) OtoshimonoU- + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Disagrees with: Trakd00r and Dim Mafia Behaviors: Wishy-washy. Willing to along with everyone, seems to be trying to lie low. Town Behaviors: Recognizes the disadvantages of a first day lynch and feels its too hasty. Misc: Against first day lynching since town is at disadvantage- but will go along if everyone else will do it. Defends Trak’s usage of “accusing” and seems to support him. 12.) Beorn1 + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: Longest Lurker by far. First post has 0 content. Town Behaviors: | ||
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As for the 'bloodthirsty' comment.. I was reading through my filters and I seriously /facepalmed when I saw that I had written it twice.... I KNEW someone would mention it! I don't really have much else to say about it- I want to keep people pressured, but I don't want to be seen as reckless, emotional and illogical- because I don't make decisions that way. Anyways, I'll follow through with your plan shortly. | ||
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#1: Sufficiency: This guy gets accused HARD. Never responds and keeps lurking. His only response so far has been to accuse others. I didn't like how he just jumped out at people for seemingly no reason. #2: Tiystus: Just a ton of back and forth. Never makes a decision. Really seems to be trying to stay out of the spot light. | ||
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I just want to stress this last point. I admit that my posts are gigantic. As for not analyzing myself- feel free to!! The spot is left blank for anyone to put in information about me. I did that on purpose, and even pointed it out. So I encourage anyone to challenge what I'm saying. I posted that to get feedback- not to assert control over everyone. If you read through my spoilers Oto, I specifically point out that Mementoss is shifting the focus off himself and onto you consistently. I enjoy his style of analysis, and I'm liking how thorough he is with his analysis, and in that way we are both similar. Do I agree with everything he says? No. Do I like to have someone to bounce ideas around with? Yes. Maverick, you might sound very strong in your arguments, but to me it already shows your strange behavior. @Oto: I would really be interested to know what it is that you mean by that? Its strange that I'm forming logical arguments? I'm trying to accomplish a goal. If you want to punch holes in my reads, by all means go ahead, but just blanket statements to create doubt doesn't seem like its very helpful. I want to get discussions going based off these reads so we can go into Day 1 Lynch with some suspicions and the ability to make an informed decision (as I've stated numerous times) | ||
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Heading to work, I'll post more when I get there. Lurkers are really barely contributing also.... makes me wonder what is going on with them. | ||
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One thing that I was thinking about on my drive over to work is, "What information will we get if we lynch Sufficiency?" My answer to that is "Not very much". He doesn't appear to be very involved with the game, so even his 'FoS's' aren't of THAT much use... That being said, he doesn't contribute much of anything to the game, and his tone is kind of destructive which I don't really want. What if we lynch Oto? Well, if he's town we are going to have some issues- due to the ferocity that a lot of people have been targetting him. If he's Mafia: That will go a very long way in narrowing down our list of suspects... Would still like to hear more before a decision!!! I'll post my vote at 4:00CST since I won't be around to vote after that. | ||
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Good posts!! I'm really glad to hear from you!! That being said, I truly am suspecting the following people as the most likely to be mafia at this point- Sufficiency- Its not so much the things you said, but the reactions that I've been gathering from the bottom two. Obviously I suspected you from the start due to your poor posting. But it seems like a lot of the other people were eager to let you get by as "poor town", and you weren't confronted at all. Then all of a sudden you post that you want to get rid of the lurker, and Dim hopes right on board. You've established zero credability in this thread, if anything you were seen as a non-helpful, yet for some reason you're getting bandwagon support..... Dim- You've spent a lot of time defending Mementoss, and bandwagoned with Sufficiency. On March 02 2012 19:25 DimmuKlok wrote: My thoughts regarding Mementoss and Pablols, I think we have a case of 2 townies accusing each other. Yes Mementoss did misquote Pablols but his posts thus far have given me a town vibe, and a misquote is no reason to lynch someone. Pablols doesn't really have a solid case on him since Mementoss's case was addressed by Pablols, and in my opinion truth except for accusation of Mementoss. Normally I wouldn't be posting who I think is town, but I don't want to see the discussion of who to lynch on these two, since I think it's a waste of time at the moment. On March 03 2012 03:24 DimmuKlok wrote: I agree. Lets lynch beorn. He has yet to contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate for today. On March 02 2012 07:59 DimmuKlok wrote: Because some of you are starting to look at Mementoss, I'm going to post my opinion on him quickly and post my scum reads a bit later. Mementoss's posts thus far seem pro town to me. He's been either giving his opinion on the topic at hand, pointing out inactives, and posting his scum reads. Even if all his scum picks were wrong, it's still pro town to put it out there. It forces responses from the accused, which brings more information to the table. I think this is highly suspicous behavior. Both players have bounced off each other and defended each other's actions to establish credability. Mementos: On March 02 2012 05:46 Mementoss wrote: Sufficiency (although trackd00r brings up a point about his sloppy posts) Not counting Beorn cause I think it might be cause hes a noob and just forgot about the game starting to be honest. But he is in my mind too. Creating excuses for Sufficiency. On March 02 2012 10:37 Mementoss wrote: @Maverick - I would also like to hear more from Sufficiency, I still have a decently scummy read on him based on his low amount of posting. Content related posters (includes at least 1 post unique opinion with logic and evidence to back it up.) Mementoss trackd00r maverick dimmuklok --> interested in your opinion of scum. No unique opinion (bandwagoners) - Little content posts/one liners /derails gunman rainman friedchicken tiystus otoshimoU beornt Quick to judge - Quick fos, multiple FoS, no evidence to back it up Pablos FoS ->(trackd00r, mementoss) Suffiency FoS ->(gunman, OtU) I honestly was shocked when I saw Dimm in this list. I looked through his filter and did not see a whole lot of "Meaningful posts".. but I guess the bar was set kind of low for this... I think he kept Sufficiency in the bottom since obviously I have been making a scene about him. You later make a huge post about how scummy Sufficiency is, and how you think he is the worst townie ever, or mafia. On March 03 2012 02:57 Mementoss wrote: @Maverick, I still don't see the read on Tiystus personally, but would lvoe to hear more from him. I consider him more of a lurker than anything. If we lynch Sufficiency or OtoshimonoU I think there is a damn good chance one of them is scum, and they are both pretty worthless (so far ) as town. Don't forget OtoshimonoU not responding to you as well Not only ignores you but ignores trackd00r. Not only ignores you and trackd00rs question but also mine. About Sufficiency, I think he is town. No newbie mafia would try to catch up so much attention in that way. They'd rather stay more quiet and apparently contribute, which it's kinda working for them now. Beorn1 hasn't posted anything yet. The player I would worry right now is OtoshimonoU. He has been the least contributor (excluding beorn) so far. This is his only post with actual content. Right now the lack of posting is really hurting us seeing different point of views, and to get more of a read on where some people stand. Both sufficiency and OtoshimonoU are good lynches imo, and I just want to make sure we get the majority to get one out and gain some information. My vote right now is committed to [red]OtoshimonoU.[red] Yet you've flipped to Oto, and are actively trying to make me consider Oto, and point to his lack of answering to both myself and Trackd00r- trying to get us to sway our votes. All this being said!!!! I won't vote for mementoss or Dim. They do talk a lot, which would be useful later on if they do end up being Mafia... So I guess that leads me to who I should vote for... I have about 2 hours left!! So I'm going to keep reading through and seeing what people come up with!!! Feel free to respond Sufficiency, Dim and Mementoss- I'd like to hear a counter to what I've posted, since I'm trying to stay open-minded. | ||
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I'm very interested to see how it all shakes out!! | ||
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Also im concerned about the fate of our game... | ||
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Even among those 4 that didn't bother to vote, we also have 1 person who is brand new.. and another one who is just ridiculous (sufficiency).... Where do we even go from here? I honestly don't know what there is to discuss at this point? I mean, I guess we can keep pointing fingers.. but that really doesn't get us closer to anything... I guess for the sake of defending myself, @Sbrubbles- feel free to check my limited post history outside of this thread.. I'm very long winded and analytically in my posts... As for the chart, I see the mixup... I was looking at it as the town that are influenced by the mafia.. so I took my base number as the townies.. and you took it as everyone... It really doesn't matter what the numbers are really.. it was just designed to show that RL was a bad idea.. and that in reality a no lynch would be better for us and minimize our loses... so its the concept thats important.. 2) The whole point of lynching lurkers is that they are usually scum, not usually town. There's a good chance there are 2 mafia guys going along with the discussion, but that a third one is hanging back to not endanger himself of later days. If we have to choose between two lurkers, it is up to us (town) to not be dissuaded by someone (or two) who knows which lurker is mafia and which one is town. Still, lynching lurkers is a good strategy, having no better suspect. That is one way of looking at it.. This is my thought process though- Lets say all 3 mafia players are being active at that point in the game. And one of them says "lets lynch the lurkers". Clearly the 3 mafia are aware that they aren't even being considered at this point as potential suspects.... so wouldn't they be okay with this idea? Especially with the amount of low posts at the time- This idea just seems bad. I wonder if someone who has actual contributed and agreed and disagreed with people would be better.. if we got a hit on them, it would be easy to follow them around to other people. As opposed to if we hit a lurker.. okay. we got a mafia.... but now what? And if we got a townie.. we actually accomplished nothing at all. This is obviously my view on this generalized idea- which makes me a suspect.. how? 3) Nervous of sounding "bloodthirsty". You're not even close to the accusation center and you apologise in 3 different posts? Yep, I actually acknowledged that as well... And I've accused multiple people at this point to stir up conversations in preparation of the vote. 4) Your big "summary post". Great way to sound pro-town while being useless. You're just lumping absolutely everything that happened during the day into one big post. Not only is it a horrible way to pass a point across, but it can end up misleading as to what is truly important. The only situation in which this could be useful is when coming from a confirmed PR, and even then it wouldn't be a summary of what happened during the day and who agreed/disaggred with whom, it would have to be more succint. If you're really town, please don't do it like this again. I don't have any other way to possibly convey the information that is occurring... You come off extremely arrogant in all of these points with an attitude of "I know more than you" and its really off putting to me. This of course has no indication of town/scum- just something that makes it hard to agree with you. As for the "Mementoss and Maverick" connection... That just doesn't add up... we both are taking a logical approach and are active.. it just makes sense that the active people we be talking to each other.... Its good to see that our newest addition is involved however, so we will see what happens... | ||
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He responded pretty well when pressured, which I liked... I'll have to re-read through filters to talk more about it... Its still pretty early.. its not even the 2nd day yet... As for Bubbles.. he just came in too hot to this whole thing.. I'm sure there is a lot of pressure to be subbed in mid-game.. but his "I know more than you" attitude just made me feel like he was trying to take over the group here rather quickly... start to influence and all.. I get the feeling that townies are more "community" focused.. trying to work with each other.... he just didn't strike me as a collaborator.. I'll play no matter what we do fyi. | ||
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Mementoss was definitely seen as a threat so lets look at what he's been saying and try to piece something together... From Mafia perspective: Mementoss was leading the charge against Oto... maybe they want us to retaliate by going after him? Or are they just trying to protect him? Mementoss also was pressuring Pablol's a bit early on, maybe this was a revenge kill from him? Also there was a lot of pressure directed at Sufficiency,,,.. What we can learn as town: Mementoss had a good read on Dim- if he was mafia, they wouldn't of killed Mementoss. I agree with Mementoss on that read. Right now, my sights are set on Oto- finish what Mementoss started!!! Or brubbles... He seemed to leap out at me- yet didn't seem to say ANYTHING to mementoss who was sharing a lot of my reads also.... For Aiur Mementoss!!! | ||
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I'm leaving for class right now and won't be back home for about another 9ish hours... I'll try to check every so often on breaks to stay up to date on the thread. Lets try to actually get a vote this time? I'm still thinking OtoshimonU- it provoked a response from Mafia and there seems to be sufficient reasons behind it... | ||
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We have WAY too many Lurkers right now... I would love to say/think that everyone who is lurking is Mafia, but obviously that is impossile. There are people making votes with little or no explanation of why they are voting. Lets go through the list!(Just because I know how much Brubbles hates this) 1. )gunman103 Filter @I think that you're on the right track, and I follow a lot of your logic. (Suspecting Brubbles and Oto...) You've been able to post a decent amount, but I'd really like to try to get another person in here who actually is actively making reads. 3.) Rainmaker5 Filter Lurker. Barely any posts. Can't even get a good read off this guy. Was active-ish at the start, hasn't posted much since. 4.) Pablols Filter Makes me a bit nervous- he was adament that Mementoss was scum, yet he obviously isn't. I get how he got to this conclusion however, especially with the mis-qoutes and things like that... I will 100% agree that sufficiency is on my list. I'm still not sure if he is just bad town, or if he is scum... Either way, I'd really like to focus on him after Day 2.... 5.) willz22912 Filter (replaced Tiystus) @ I agree that Oto is kind of a strange situation. I defintely get that he may of "just given up", but he really has done nothing to defend himself actively. One of the reasons why I think he is scum is because the vote didn't go through on Day 1. We were 1 vote away, yet we couldn't manage to get that? I feel like if he WAS town, scum would be eager to throw their votes behind him. If he ends up being town, I think our next list of suspects would be anyone that voted for him. If he flips mafia, we have a gold mine of information and will be able to narrow down who is scum relatively easily. 6.) DimmuKlok Filter Another person who was active prior to the Mementoss kill. Its unclear where you are at in all of this. It sounds like you want the conversations to pick up, but not much else beyond that. One thing that kind of makes me feel like you're town is that you were willing to seperate yourself from Mementoss as having a unique thought- I feel like if you were scum you would want to allign yourself with him as much as possible, but you're clearly willing to state your own opinion and not bandwagon.... 7.) Sufficiency Filter Accusing people of nothing. Never explaining your position. Claiming you know roles... what a mess.... 8.) Sbrubbles Filter(replaced friedchicken) His lack of vote resulted in a no-lynch situation. If Oto turns out to be Mafia, this is your next target without a doubt in my mind. If Oto is not mafia, then Brubbles is 100% town. 10.) trackd00r Filter Seems okay. Nothing too revolutionary in the posts, but accurate in my opinion. You recognized that mafia killed off one of the more active players to slow down activity, we need to realize that, and be ACTIVE. 11.) OtoshimonoU Filter We need to vote this guy. The information will be extremely helpful regardless of if he is scum or town. He has dodged everything we've thrown at him and hasn't been active at all. Again with my other point, if he WAS town, mafia would of voted him off with the lynch. 12.) blubbdavid Filter(replaced beorn1) You were able to craft one of the detailed posts in terms of why we need to lynch Oto, and that is awesome. Keep up the good work!!! ALSO, if Blubb ends up being town, I think its interesting to see the votes that randomly got thrown at him from sufficiency.... In conclusion: We need to lynch Oto or we will not make progress. | ||
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As for how I plan to use this information? If Oto turns out to be Mafia. Sufficiency and you will likely be mafia. Both of you side tracked the last vote to keep him alive.... If he turns out to be town- Sufficiency and you are likely to be town. Myself, trackd00r and rainmaker should be looked at as highly suspicious for encouraging the vote. | ||
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I actually kind of agree with you Willz- However. Like I said in my post, if he flips green, that tells us A LOT actually. If you look at the Day 1 vote, he misses being lynched by ONE vote. That means, it is highly likely that mafia are within that voting group! (or the lurkers that didn't vote). So we've pretty much narrowed our focus significantly, and odds are that the people who didn't vote for him on Day 1 (besides lurkers) are also town. | ||
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I guess this is where I'm stuck... Would Mafia vote for someone else, KNOWING that if they voted for Oto on Day 1.. that he would be lynched? I find it hard to believe that they would pass up a chance for Town to sacrifice their own member for pretty much no risk? (an overwhelming majority of active players) This is my number one reason for voting for Oto. I'm not concerned about this day's vote, since clearly at this point since there are enough votes, Mafia can just lay low and vote whoever they want to, bandwagon, or not vote for anyone. However I think its important to really look at that first Day's vote.... | ||
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trackd00r Rainmaker5 Maverick32x DimmuKlok gunman103 As some of our *active* possible culprits...Obviously the lurkers make it difficult... but there's some thoughts!! | ||
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I need to kind of reorientate myself to the game however, since I put a lot of my stock in Oto flipping Mafia... I think I had a lot of assumptions built up around that... Now lets get down to some reads... -Rainmaker is the ultimate lurker. I'm not sure if this means he is scum? But its a big problem for me. He hasn't really engaged very much in the game, but still seems to just be 'around' and off a lot of people's radars. (mine at least). - trackd00r- An interesting player to say the least...Early on he was big into going after oto and getting that ball rolling... However, notice that on the second day he switches his vote to Rainmaker? One thing that I found 'townie' about trackd00r, is his blatent accusations. I feel like if he is mafia, these will come back to haunt him. For example, he accusses both Oto and Rainmaker very hard. If we find out that he is Mafia, chances are that he wouldn't be posting such an accusatory post at his own team... so again, we are able to narrow down our possible suspects.... Obviously his read on Rainmaker is consistent with a lot of us, and seems justified... It does make me wonder if the people who are targetting rainmaker are just using the 'lurking' as an excuse to target a townie? Though apparently the general consensus is that lurkers= scum.. Thats all I got for right now- actually need to do work at work.. (imagine that..) One thing that I'm really banking on is that we can catch a mafia SOON.... I really think that will only take 1 to start unravelling this mess... I guess in terms of FoS- Rainmaker? Due to excessive lurking behaviors? I'm really not committed to that however, and I've obviously was wrong on the last one.. so I'm willing to get a couple more reads before deciding on anyone.... | ||
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Can you explain a bit more about why you think Dim is suspicious? I see a lot of flipflopping in willz's posts, and I do see where Dim is coming from with his reasoning. I don't think that is completely fabricated.... Also I'll take a moment to look through Dim's filter.... His posts are pretty 'pro-town'... He actively defended Mementoss (who was town), and is really anti-lurker in his posts. Also he matches your suspicion on Rainmaker.... How do we start to look at a lurker such as Rainmaker to try to figure out what our next steps are? Is this dependent on a DT? If we start to look at lurkers as our next target, Rainmaker is the only one that really fits that role the best... As for being suspicous of me- I was really stubborn with that Oto lynch, and I regret that. I tunnel-visioned my way into a town lynch and I'm not pleased with that.... | ||
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I hadn't noticed that switch after a lot of votes on Oto though.. thats a good read. So you're suggesting that he assumed that Oto would of been lynched that first day, so he just changed to avoid suspicion.. pretty much what he is accusing Willz of doing? I do get a feeling that mafia would accuse others of behaviors that they themselves are doing... I must not of read that post thoroughly, so I appreciate the repost... fits in well with your latest..... | ||
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Lets see who we have left- 1.) gunman103 - A bit lurky looking through his posts. Nothing major... in looking through his filters- has accused tiystus (Willz) and Pablos early on... but shifted to Mementoss. Its possible that these are more townies? Thats assuming he is scum.. which is something that we can't really guess that at this point in the game.. 4.) Pablols - Another lurker.. (seeing a pattern?) Targetted Sufficiency (but who wasn't?). I'm also noticing a pattern of "you guys should participate more" and then the player actually doesn't participate in any discussions? Scum trait? 5.) willz22912 - targetting sufficiency a bit, but was defending Oto back and forth.. I know Dim built up a case against Willz, but its kinda 'meh' based off the responses.... 6.) DimmuKlok - Targets Rain based off lurking... but he got modkilled.. so really I guess thats the ultimate lurking... Targets Willz based off some controversial posting, Seems suspicious of sufficiency... 7.) Sufficiency - This guy posts nothing of substance. Has pretty much not posted any suspiciouns outside of his day1 controverial FoS which made 0 sense. 10.) trackd00r - Targets Oto with a pretty large post... but its kind of 'early'.. His top 2 scum reads were Oto and Rainmaker... His accustation on Rain was a bit random.. accused him of lurker (which he was), but then followed it up by analyzing who he qoutes.. I don't like basing decisiosn off that since I don't think it really gives a lot of information.. but is rather a desperate attempt to make some behavior suspicious which really isnt.. His next targets though are Gunman and Pablols. I like his read on Gunman though actually. 12.) blubbdavid- Okay, This could be a REALLY long shot in the dark. But he throws out the following names as "You should investiage these people"- they are- Sufficiency, Pablols, Dim and Rainmaker... Rainmaker is confirmed town... He also really seems interested in trying to flush out a PR.... Lets say Blubb is mafia... It would make sense that he would want the DT to waste their last investigate (if they exist) to target one of them....AND to claim DT.... So here is my LAST thought... and this is really doubling down on this whole game.... and I'll admit that it is reckless.. but a big move may be our only chance to win... If blubb slipped up here and screwed his team mates over.. the people who aren't listed as 'people to investigate' would be mafia....?? That is also potentially way too much of a leap- but I'm grasping at straws here!!! | ||
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Pretty much I think we need to determine if we're going to focus lurkers or active players... What do we think? There are 3 predominant lurkers... | ||
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Here is the re-write: I dont think we should vote for Dim. Even if he is mafia, he is too ambigious at this point. etc etc. Basically what I'm trying to say is that he may very well be scum.. but I don't think we have as good a case against him as we do for gunman or pablols.. I'm still thinking that sufficiency is Town... call me crazy.. but that 1st day vote bought him my pseudo-support.... | ||
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Gunman, pablols or sufficiency... I would say the order that makes the most sense is the one I just listed... if we have a DT remaining, they should investigate sufficiency and hope hes just a regular mafia so we can set up a hit on the following day (assuming we get this next lynch correct) My vote right now is for Gunman. I'm thinking that we are pointing fingers at each other while Mafia just slide into the background.... It seems like the remaining town are in a frenzy to try to stay alive and solve this... while the remaining people are not involved in this at all.... | ||
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NICE WORK GUYS!!! YA!!! :D disappointing that Pablols died.. but nice work!!!! We are one step closer!! So proud of you guys <3 | ||
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Now that we have a confirmed Mafia.. its really time to check those filters!! I'm going to organize this read based off who Gunman has talked about/accussed/supported. 5.) willz22912 Filter (replaced Tiystus)- Accused Tiystus (willz's double) pretty hard. Targeted him as #1.. Ok, thats it!! Wow, he really was a lurker!! haha Since I don't want this to just be a 2 sentence post, lets look at Trackd00r a bit closer and see what we can dig up- He does make a pretty big post against Gunman!! Which I think is really important.. given that this is before his major freakout/break near the end of the voting... 5.) willz22912 Filter (replaced Tiystus)- Targets early on... 6.) DimmuKlok Filter- Gets a little fiesty against Dim.. 7.) Sufficiency Filter- Says he thinks sufficiency is town.... Kinda starts to think that its a good idea to lynch sufficieny...But then immediatly switches to say he's 'not dangerous' Pretty wishy-washy.. 9.) Maverick32x Filter- kind of supportive early on? .. 12.) blubbdavid Filter(replaced beorn1) Checking his filters also- he CONSISTENTLY targets Gunman... Why would he target mafia the whole time? I'm going to give a couple general reads before the night ends.. in case I die!! 5.) willz22912 Filter Town. 6.) DimmuKlok Filter- Scum 7.) Sufficiency Filter- Scum 10.) trackd00r Filter- Town 12.) blubbdavid Filter- Town Boom. That is what it is. I think this is the only way it can happen... Allow me to explain- Willz- was targetting VERY early on by Gunman at a time when ANYONE could of been voted out. This would not of happened if Gunman and Willz were together... Gunman NEVER accused any of the likely scum that I posted above. In fact he was supportive of Dim, and NEVER brought up Sufficiency despite claiming that he wanted to lynch lurkers, and sufficiency is the BIGGEST lurker of them all... Dim- This one kind of breaks my heart because for a long time I really thought Dim was town.. but allow me to explain. Dim targetted Trackd00r at the end of this rant. That means that him and Trackd00r can not be mafia. Dim also votes randomly for Beorn for being a lurker... The only other person who voted for Beorn was... Sufficiency!! (Starting to see the connection?) He defends sufficiency- and NEVER accusses him.. Dim and Sufficiency have a connection. Sufficiency- Just a lurker. The case against him in the things he says are weak.. its how others interact with him that is important.. though I suppose lurking is kind of evidence in itself... Trackd00r- He had his freak out at the end which kind of paints him poorly.. HOWEVER- consider the lengthy post that he made before he freaked out that outlines a lot of reasons to target Gunman... I find this behavior suspicious.. but I don't think he was trying to change the vote.. but rather felt strongly that sufficiency was mafia (which I think he is correct in) Blubb- Based off my above statement, If Blubb was mafia, and trackd00r was mafia, he would not of jumped on Trackd00r that much.... Leaning towards Dim, which means they are probably not the 'same' despite both being suspicious of Trackd00r....Targets sufficiency... Likely not with Sufficiency and Dim because they both voted against him (in a former life when he was Beorn).. Either way, if I die tonight- those are my reads. and I feel VERY strongly about them. One of the biggest parts of this is that you can't really re-arrange Mafia in other way that makes sense... Check those filters and see how everyone matches up. | ||
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I really want to hear what sufficiency has to say on all this!! For a guy that posts everyday on other forums, he rarely posts in this thread... Also- if we have a DT, I'd say DON'T investigate Dim... he is likely the godfather if he is mafia... he would of been the only mafia that is outspoken..... | ||
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On March 02 2012 19:25 DimmuKlok wrote: My thoughts regarding Mementoss and Pablols, I think we have a case of 2 townies accusing each other. Yes Mementoss did misquote Pablols but his posts thus far have given me a town vibe, and a misquote is no reason to lynch someone. Pablols doesn't really have a solid case on him since Mementoss's case was addressed by Pablols, and in my opinion truth except for accusation of Mementoss. Normally I wouldn't be posting who I think is town, but I don't want to see the discussion of who to lynch on these two, since I think it's a waste of time at the moment. It's past 4 in the morning here so I'm going to wait to post who I think we should lynch for in the morning. What I do want to post now is who is slipping underneath the radar... Rainmaker has posted twice so far. In his last post he said he had to head to class and that he would post his later on, which he never did. Beorn has only had one post thus far in which he agrees with the general consensus on random lynches. Early on you pick out two people.. 1 of which is confirmed town, the other though lost interest in the game, his replacement I'm thinking is also town. On March 02 2012 20:36 DimmuKlok wrote: Fair enough... I was hoping it was something a little more elaborate, but ok.  Despite this complete dodge/slap in the face. You seem okay with taking this as answer. On March 03 2012 03:24 DimmuKlok wrote: I agree. Lets lynch beorn. He has yet to contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate for today. Targeting the lurker, seems safe... however what about sufficiency?! On March 03 2012 03:55 DimmuKlok wrote: The only useful thing about this post is your opinion on OtoshimonoU. There is no point in bringing up the names of people that are not on our current suspect list and then not even accuse them of anything. That kind of information is just taking up space. You haven't posted much up until now and that post is looking pretty suspicious to me... ##FoS: Rainmaker5 Again, confirmed townie. On March 03 2012 05:06 DimmuKlok wrote: Beorn, we're still waiting for your case on who to lynch. When you decide to start contributing, please also give me your opinion on Rainmaker and what you think about my read on him. Still nothing on sufficiency... On March 03 2012 06:50 DimmuKlok wrote: Defending Mementoss was simply me trying to get the conversation in a more productive direction and off someone I thought was innocent at the time. Bandwagoning with Sufficiency actually had nothing to do with Sufficiency at all. When Sufficiency posted that he wanted to lynch Beorn, I quickly agreed and threw my vote on him. This was done in order to pressure Beorn out of hiding. In the post I hint at exactly what I want him to do, and that's to "contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate". I suspected him as scum so his response was going to give me a lot of information. I even make another post to put the pressure back on Beorn and get some information out of him here: My vote was not initially intended for Beorn, nor did I intend to keep it on him, because I didn't think he would get enough votes before the deadline. I'm changing my vote to Oto, who I originally intended on voting for. I want to state however that we cannot let this continue after today. We will always be more conformable with lynching someone who we have a read on, but we need a way to get lurkers to post. Consider this scenario... mafia without any consequences of not contributing can just chill day after day while everyone kills each other. On Day 2 I think we should seriously consider lynching lurkers, or start conversation on how to get them to post more. Kind of a strange post.. seemingly distancing yourself from sufficiency since you're starting to worry that people are connecting you... You suspect Beorn of lurking and being scum.. but again.. no mention of sufficiency... On March 03 2012 07:18 DimmuKlok wrote: I'm somewhat lost when it comes to Sufficiency. I can't tell if he's smart and trying to get reactions out of people with his posts, or one of the many other things I've considered. If people are interested I can make a more detailed case on my opinion of him, but even I'm not too confident in my read on him. This NEVER happens. On March 05 2012 08:27 DimmuKlok wrote: GG Mementoss, it's been fun. OtoshimonoU, what is your read on Sufficiency? Also, who is your top scum read right now and why? It honestly sounds like you're trying to figure out who's the biggest threat in the town... On March 07 2012 01:55 DimmuKlok wrote: I don't see how a DT case on Rain is wasted, or even less effective than a DT case on anyone else. Everyone has the same chance of being mafia, statistically, and Rain is the most likely to come up as Mafia in my opinion. If you investigate anyone and they turn up town, what does that tell you? Nothing, because it could be wrong, and even if it's right then you just have a confirmed town player who will continue to do what they did before that. My opinion of Willz is after this. Possibly directing the DT towards a town? On March 07 2012 03:03 DimmuKlok wrote: Why I called out Willz: Willz was the first person to vote for Oto. In this post he states clearly that he's completely ok with the current case on Oto and willing to lynch him. He even throws in a scapegoat for funzies(He's new). He then states here, as confusingly as possible, that he thinks lynching Oto would be a mislynch. Later in the post saying he's more ok with a Sufficiency lynch than Oto, because of Blubbdavids post. He's now sure that Oto is town and lynching him will give no information. I bolded it for importance. If Oto was mafia, obviously him getting lynched would give us plenty of information. All of these point of views are not incriminating yet, but important to keep in mind when you read this: This is where he begins to try to prove his innocence, while still getting rid of Oto. When you read this post, it's made very clear to you that he thinks Oto is green. I'd go even further to say that he knows that he's green. But alas, "That being said, I will be willing to switch to the OtoshimonoU vote if people are dead set on it, and we need my vote. I will state for the record that I am against this, but if it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU then we have no choice, and can try and gain information from it." Yea, lets get that information out of him that you said there wasn't any of... This post was made immediately after. He has the inherent feeling that he needs to defend his choice without anyone accusing him. Remember, it's for the information. This post is the most telling. He tells everyone what he knew all along. Oto flipping green will not give information. He also knows that Oto is going to flip green, and that explains all the effort he put in to make sure that he would not be a suspect after his death. His last 3 posts were shortly before the lynch, and all pushed the same message. Oto being lynched was the perfect way for Willz to look innocent and to stay out of the light. It was too suspicious not to bring up. After thinking about it, a DT check on Willz wouldn't be too bad of an idea either. Why you called out Willz- to protect Sufficiency? Pretty much switching the pressure.. On March 08 2012 16:20 DimmuKlok wrote: This is my assumption too. Of the three I'm thinking Gunman is the most likely candidate, but it's hard to say with them being so inactive in the late game. I have to look into this further before I vote. I would say Sufficiency is the least likely to be mafia, but that's only if I can make the assumption that this early posts were to get reads on their reactions, and not just bad play. The posts I'm referencing: Later, I tried to confirm which it was, and sadly his answer was: You defend sufficiency some more.... On March 09 2012 09:46 DimmuKlok wrote: I went with Gunman. Obviously it's our only option at this point. Defending would be too obvious..... SO there are a couple examples of the 'connection'... I'm all for going for sufficiency first though.. so you still got time~ Lastly, who could the other 2 mafia be if not Sufficiency and Dim? Really try to answer that, and look at the connection between confirmed town and the 1 mafia that we have left.... There is a pattern of communication here- everyone left here had sufficiency in their sights at some point in the game... except Dim.... | ||
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But okay- flip through my filters. I realize that I've made some bad calls (oto specifically), and I accused people early on to try to get some motion going. But I want you guys to take note of the fact that I spared no one in my critical analysis of every single person in here. I didn't do it to make you guys angry- I did it to get people thinking and to also think critically about what I was saying. I came into this game not trusting anyone and assuming everyone is mafia- so I would read through every post and look for the connections.... 1) I just want to remind everyone that there were accusations that I was 'teaming up' with Mementoss.. a confirmed townie. 2) I also initiated the vote on the ONLY mafia that we have found so far. 3) I've been a constant presence in all of these threads in order to target mafia- and to win. @Dim- your only 'proof' of me being mafia is the fact that I'm targeting you right now based off of what I've written. You're not my target on this next vote so don't worry... I'm aiming for sufficiency... (but you will be next) Actually, all of your proof now that I re-read it is empty and from the assumption that I'm somehow making up all of this information? I'd also love to hear who you think the second mafia is if you think I am one also- who have I teamed up? I realize that a lot of you guys have taken for granted the fact that someone who posts a lot and is active in finding mafia is actually town and not trying to trick you. I appreciate your faith and trust in me- and I look forwards to seeing this through till the end... If you're going to target someone, it only makes sense to do this in pairs... We need to look at the rest of this game from a more global perspective.. if we try to just target ONE person... we will be guessing.... | ||
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I think the safest vote is sufficiency? That's who I will be voting for. | ||
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Think globally... Who have I worked with out of the remainders? What indicates my connection to them as mafia? | ||
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I'm interested to hear everyone else on this... We are in a lynch or lose situation and dim wants to take a gamble on one of the most pro town players in this game who has identified the remaining Mafia... Read the filters and you'll reach the same conclusion I have... I see we are now on opposites dim.. it will be sad if you're town... But it's looking less and less likely... | ||
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Ha. That's awesome Dim.... So I guess the deciding vote will be Blubb then? On March 06 2012 08:12 willz22912 wrote: Okay, took a look at the responses. We definitely have to get a successful lynch off on someone today otherwise mafia gets another free kill and we're still clueless. My top suspect so far is still Sufficiency, he still hasn't contributed anything meaningful and hasn't responded to any of the new accusations brought upon him. The other suspects proposed are OtoshimonoU and Rainmaker because he hasn't been active. I'm inclined to just leave OtoshimonoU alone for another day and vote someone else like Sufficiency or Rainmaker, but you guys are seriously pushing for OtoshimonoU... I am 90% confident that if we do decide to lynch OtoshimonoU he will flip green making the situation completely muddled. Better to get rid of someone who is barely active than a ridiculously easy target. If mafia were really pushing for his lynch than as stated, why has the vote been so hard to pull off? 3 Mafia + bandwagoning townies would have made it easy, the most likely reasoning is that we had too many lurkers fail to vote. That doesn't mean the Mafia are targetting him, that means that they are most likely content to just let us go after a mis-lynch on our own without trying to influence us too much. That being said, I will be willing to switch to the OtoshimonoU vote if people are dead set on it, and we need my vote. I will state for the record that I am against this, but if it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU then we have no choice, and can try and gain information from it. Willz clearly DOESN'T want to vote for Oto.. yet he will go with so that we get a lynch.. He was the only person who stepped up and tried to prevent this from happening... Is that a Mafia agenda? I guess this is your attempt at targeting the only remaining person who has targeted you as well? | ||
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On March 11 2012 14:01 DimmuKlok wrote: It wasn't calling me out that made it obvious. It wasn't even defending Maverick. What sold the deal was that you, along with Maverick, wanted to push the Sufficiency lynch. Maverick should be considered confirmed mafia after the reply I made about him. His focus first and foremost was a Sufficiency lynch. This made it obvious that he was town. The only options was you or Blubb. I had suspected that it was you after going through your filter, but I knew one of you would slip. Blubb, go through Mavericks and Willz filters and see their relations to eachother and gunman. You'll see it. On March 01 2012 13:48 DimmuKlok wrote: We shouldn't need to worry about a RL and I don't see the point in discussing one. Even if we don't have a solid case on someone after the first day, we would be better off lynching a lurker than someone at random. Mafia would love to not have to contribute. Those are your words. Yet Sufficiency literally hasn't contributed at all.. and somehow wanting to vote him off his considered "confirmed mafia?" Give me a break... you're falling all over yourself right now!!! And whats my relationship to gunman? The fact that I was the first person who committed to Gunman's vote? I don't see how you can say otherwise when its clear that I was the person that made that shift.. in essence... SAVING you Dim..... Now lets take a bit of a deeper look into Mafia's reasons for lynching trackd00r.... It was clear that he had already been posting negatively about Dim.. he had come up with a large list of reasons why he was mafia.... Perhaps this was an attempt to keep Dim safe from his major opposition? | ||
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Lets play out a couple scenarios- We vote out Sufficiency who is Mafia- Dim is the clear next target based off everything we have said, and his reaction so far. We vote out Willz who is Mafia- Well I guess I'd be the logical next target, and we lose, thought it could still be sufficiency or Blubbz.... We vote out Blubbz who is mafia- Well, it could be any of the remainders really... We vote out Dim who is mafia- This leaves Sufficiency or Blubbz, since either of them COULD be mafia.... And I guess for the fun of it, I get voted out and we lose. Obviously any person we vote out and we're wrong about.. we will lose. This is something that worries me however.. a lot.. and I was thinking about this before I went to bed... I made my read BEFORE the night ended... yet I'm still alive and trackd00r was killed... Is it possible that I was left alive so that I would be able to mislead the town into lynching Sufficiency/Dim? Or would my death be seen as a confirmation of my theory, so I couldn't be killed or else the mafia would be sure to lose? | ||
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Trackd00r was really arguing a lot.. so maybe that is what happened? I'll try not to read too much into it I guess.. hard to guess motivations... As for why Sufficiency is the safest over Dim.. if we vote for Dim, that leaves A LOT of possibilities open... Willz could still be mafia.. you could still be mafia... I could still be mafia.... If we vote out sufficiency.. its clear how adament Dim has defended him, and how myself, you and Willz all have targetting sufficiency much more than Dim... so logically.. thats the next step.... Either way for me, it doesn't really matter.. I'll vote for Dim or Sufficiency first.. whichever you guys think will lock down our last vote.... | ||
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As for trying to sacrifice a mafia to establish credibility- YES!!! That is EXACTLY the problem right now!! That is why I asked you to extend your vote PAST the first person, and to look to who is also the second. You need to be right TWICE in order to win. And that quote is an awesome example of me sticking up for you- since I saw a lot of your behaviors as pro-town. Based off my reads however- the only logical TWO (not ONE, but TWO), would be you and sufficiency.. no other players line up as well as you guys do.... I can point to every single person left and try to devise reasons why they ALONE are mafia.. However, that is not enough for us to win the game... we need to look at interactions between players and the way we all have interacted in order to come to a conclusion that WINS. | ||
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Like I said, busy day at work, but when I get home I'll make a post before the night ends in case I get killed, kind of outlining my remaining thoughts... I'll try to get a list together of what I think specific people deaths during this last night could represent and point out who I think is most suspicious! As for what would of happened if Dim didn't change his vote... we would of lost the game... Even if Dim was trying to bus his teammate, that is so risky when he literally could of WON. Right then and there. He could of stuck to a story of ME busing my own team mate, and using that as leverage to try to kill me and win the game... Another thing that is important for those of you looking through the filters... don't forget that some of the players are replacement players... so perhaps we could look at the things they said previously that could indicate an alignment now that we know the full story? Generally speaking- I want to point out that it appears Myself, Dim and Willz are the most 'active' of the remainders... Blubb- looking at you to try to put some stuff together here.... | ||
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Here is my read: @Gunman- I don't really like to do this kind of 'read' in general since I don't think it carries much weight, but I figured I may as well point it out.. Look at his beginning posts... This is WHO he is responding to... 1st: Dim- 2nd: sufficiency 3rd: Sufficiency 4th: No One 5th: Dim 6th: No one 7th: Targets one confirmed townie and Willz former life. 8th: Quotes Pablols, targets Willz and confirmed townie. Trails off here, but I just think I wanted to point that out... Bringing up Willz's character so early on and trying to make him a target could clear Willz as mafia...? He also defends me and stats I'm town (I don't want to leave this out so you guys will jump on me for it) but I think that was more of a move to establish credibility... @Sufficiency- Much less to be read in his posts.. Its difficult because he is so short with everyone that it doesn't give you any information... To be honest, my decision rests between Blubb and Dim.. both of them have very convincing stories/actions that make this extremely difficult to decide between.. Willz- if you are mafia.. congratulations.. you did an awesome job... I would be voting for Dim without a doubt if it wasn't for those most recent voting antics.. unless this really was a plan to just fool us.. I truly don't know... | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Blubbs- you brought up DT a LOT.. which makes me think you're saying the right thing... Willz- you targeted the mafia and stuck with it... Dim- You're latest actions were great, but I can't help to think you may of just made a mistake and tried to get into the last round? | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
GG guys, looking forward to post-game discussions~ | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Though I'm not going to lie.. that last couple posts by you Blubb really made me second guess what you had written... be glad you killed me that last night :b As for Dim- I'm SO SORRY!!!! !!!!! !! !! ! ! ! ! @ Willz- I knew you were townie :D I have a general question- why in the world did everyone trust me so much?! I'll be honest- halfway through I was really wishing I was mafia.... | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
It is a GREAT way for me to spend time at my pretty boring job- and I love being able to analyze what people are typing and try to 'solve' things... any general tips for me? I felt like I was going a bit overboard a couple times and jumping to conclusions WAY too much... I also think I just had a lot of free time to really dig into everyone's posts.... | ||
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