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On March 03 2012 08:56 gunman103 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 08:35 Mementoss wrote:Gunman, did you honestly think this would go un-noticed? On March 03 2012 08:03 gunman103 wrote:
##Vote: Tiystus I thought I would go eat and give you time to give some time to give reasoning in the thread. Its been a half hour. You'd think you would post reasoning before running straight to the vote thread. You do realize voting without trying to at least convince your case/state your opinions in the thread is very suspicious play? The below is hardly reasoning. On March 02 2012 11:54 gunman103 wrote:
#1 Tiystus- He was fine with randomly killing someone early on but then changes his mind later. Seems like one of his scum friends told him what to say. He also never seems to make a decision on anything.
. This vote seems very selfish, and mafia motivated. Give some more reasoning behind this choice and why is this vote a better vote than OtoshmonoU? Why didn't you like the OtoshmonoU evidence that was given by a couple different people in this thread. It seems like you wanted vote without bringing attention to yourself, and to split the town into a no-lynch situation. On March 01 2012 14:11 gunman103 wrote:
DimmuKlok is right. If we have to do a lynch without a strong case, lynching a lurker would be more effective than a RL seeing as how most mafia are lurkers. Also, lets wait before we decide to lynch someone because we don't need to worry about it right now. You even said it yourself, if your going to lynch you need a strong case. What is your strong case in this situation? Later in the above quote you said lynching a lurker would be better than lynching without a strong case, however your reasoning behind voting tiystus didn't mention anything about you thinking him, because he was a lurker. And if you were to vote for a lurker, wouldn't Beorn be a better case as he has the least amount of posts, and has given no kind of read yet? Your move gunman. Alright, I'll change my vote. I suppose I didn't really get a good enough read on oto and focused to much on lurkers. Now that I look at his posts, he does look suspicious. I suppose I thought that lynching a lurker would be better than killing a potential town because lynching a lurker wouldn't actually hurt us all that much because they don't add anything to the discussion, where as if we he turns out to be town, we wouldn't get his input.
Im not trying to post this in an aggressive way, although it sounds that way. You don't have to change your vote im just saying it seems suspicious and you should back up your actions, while or before you take them.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 03 2012 09:08 Sbrubbles wrote:Sorry guys, its a bit overwhelming trying to take in 7/8 pages of discussion, especially considering how many filler/opinion summaries there are. Frankly I think opinion "summaries" are worthless (especially from non-confirmed PRs on day 1). Accusing someone for not wanting NL/normal lynch/RL/whatever is also worthless, because all of those have merits (and statistics, which we don't have, will eventually tell us which is best) . Anyway, for the current discussion: I don't see what Otoshi has done enough to warrant so much suspicion. 1) He first said he wanted no lynch then said would agree with a random lynch. Flip-flopping, but not a major case. 2) He comments on track's bold first post and sends a few one-liners. Suspicious? Sure. Derailing the discussion? It may have been filler, but not annoying, distracting filler, so no. 3) His tell on his 4th post. OK, I will admit this looks pretty damn suspicious, but idk, may just have been phrasing. If anything, this shows that Trackdoor is really on the ball (so far as the first day goes, he's the only one here who looks slightly trustworthy). 4) The rest of his posts he defends himself from Mementos. He doesn't put much effort into his posts, and doesn't post much. This is scumtelling, but I'm not convinced its enough. I'm sticking with a ##Vote: No Lynch. There's already 6 votes on him and I'm not convinced enough to hammer. Now, for my actual suspect here: Maverick + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2012 14:42 Maverick32x wrote:
So.. believe it or not guys.. Tiystus, Friedchicken and Sufficiency… 3 support randomly lynching…. And there are 3 mafia…. I’d like to hear more out of you guys- but the bandwagoning behind this idea is highly suspicious….
1) Slightly confusing graph (as I pointed out last post) and willing to accuse people at once just because they had an argument pro-RL (sure, Tiystus and Sufficiency were pointing fingers as well, but your enphasis was on the pro-RL). In the first day we're here to try to point out mistakes and inconsistencies, and the mafia is (probably) not stupid enough to show themselves together so easily. Your willingness to accuse 3 at once and act like you've solved the case is suspicious. + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2012 14:42 Maverick32x wrote:
Trackd00r- Thank you. I agree. We need activity if we’re going to lynch successfully. What I’m most worried about is that the mafia are eyeing inactive townies and plan on trying to swing us in that direction….
2) The whole point of lynching lurkers is that they are usually scum, not usually town. There's a good chance there are 2 mafia guys going along with the discussion, but that a third one is hanging back to not endanger himself of later days. If we have to choose between two lurkers, it is up to us (town) to not be dissuaded by someone (or two) who knows which lurker is mafia and which one is town. Still, lynching lurkers is a good strategy, having no better suspect. 3) Nervous of sounding "bloodthirsty". You're not even close to the accusation center and you apologise in 3 different posts? + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2012 10:36 Maverick32x wrote:Okay guys. This is ALL of my reads over the past day. Let me know what you think. If any is inaccurate let me know, but I broke it down into looking at each player's tendency to agree/disagree with someone else to see if there are any patterns of "allegiance" that I can spot. I also looked at behaviors that can be interpreted as either Mafia or Town. I obviously couldn't hit on everything, but these were the things that jumped out at me.. feel free to agree/disagree all you'd like. Lastly, I put in some miscellaneous information that I just thought was interesting or factual about a stance that the person had. I obviously didn't write stuff about myself, but if you'd like to create one for me, go ahead. 1.) gunman103 – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Dimx2
Disagrees with: Sufficiency.
Mafia Behaviors: A kind of wishy-washy with his policy. Starts to fall to RL as a last resort if necessary. Though previously stated he wants to lynch for info, he now is considering a RL, but would prefer a ‘lurker’.
Town Behaviors: Doesn’t want to lynch unless there is information to be gained. Repeats this information. Reinforces this idea a third time
Misc: Against random lynching. Should only lynch for info. . 2.) Mementoss – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Maverickx2
Disagrees with: Trackd00r but takes it back. Sufficiency, OtoshimonUx3, Friedchicken, Pablols
Mafia Behaviors: Possibly keeping attention off himself by focusing on others, Especially OtoshimonoU.
Town Behaviors: Against Random Lynch- presents a well thought out argument. Continues to detail out his reasoning. Consistent with the people he disagrees with and the people he suspects.
Misc: Claims himself as one of the most active. True?
3.) Rainmaker5 + Show Spoiler +Agrees with:
Dissagrees with:
Mafia Behaviors: Willing to sac a townie. Responds very late with little substancex2
Town Behaviors:
Misc: Wants to move onto a new topic since random lynch has been discussed to death. 4.) Pablols – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with:
Disagrees with: Trakd00r-> takes it back(after being exonerated by him), lightly disagrees with Maverick, Mementossx4
Mafia Behaviors: Brings it back to the RL, despite everyone moving on from it. Rambles on a bit at this point.
Town Behaviors: Decently argues for a move to lynch in looking at the long term perspective, willing to take a risk. Puts a lot of effort into pointing out that Mementoss if taking his words out of context. Wants to lynch for a purpose.
Misc: Randomly accuses Mementoss seemingly because he is upset that he was accussed. A bit overaction. 5.) Tiystus – + Show Spoiler +
Agrees with:
Disagrees with: Mementoss
Mafia Behaviors: Indecisive. Encouraging risky/chaotic behaviors.Still contradictory statements. Says Dim is town, but then also accuses him of possibly being mafia. Brings back the RL discussion (though he has been mia for awhile)
Town Behaviors: Would rather go with a hunch than a RL, but feels a lynch is necessary or town will lose.
Misc: all for random lynch- posts that he’s reluctant. Sticks with reluctance, but again is on the “we need to do something NOW train” Back tracks and now is saying RL is a last resort. Didn't answer numerous questions directed at him.
6.) DimmuKlok – + Show Spoiler +
Agrees with: Trackd00r, Mementoss
Disagress with
Mafia Behaviors: First post indicates a strong desire to try to push for a lynch.
Town Behaviors: Still thinks we could lynch a lurker to ‘flush out mafia’, but doesn’t want to randomly do it. Recognizes that we are talking circles about Random lynching or not and wants to change topics.
Misc:wants to lynch on day 1. But wants to see active posters and seems to want to decide on someone. Against random lynching though.
7.) Sufficiency –. + Show Spoiler +
Mafia Behaviors: Wants to RL- pushes this hard. Accusses without any evidence or reasoning.
Town Behaviors:
Agrees with:
Disagrees with: Gunman, OtoshimonU
8.) friedchicken – + Show Spoiler +
Mafia Behaviors: poor logic, wants to lynch no matter what. Flips kind of. Would be willing to lynch a lurker, not necessarily random. There could be only town that are lurking however, so this could be a setup.
Town Behaviors:
9.) Maverick32x 10.) trackd00r – + Show Spoiler +Agrees with: Pablols
Disagrees with: Sufficiency- then flips to say he is town. OtoshimonUx2
Mafia Behaviors: Seems eager in the initial post to try to get people to accuse others right away. Uses past game as evidence of his ability to hunt down mafia to try to set up innocence. Brings up that the activity is too low, but hasn’t posted much.
Town Behaviors: Initial post is encouraging and pro-town. Continues this trend, wants to hear people talk. Doesn’t want to RL
Misc:Seems positive about staying active. Focuses on wording as his evidence. 11.) OtoshimonoU- + Show Spoiler +Agrees with:
Disagrees with: Trakd00r and Dim
Mafia Behaviors: Wishy-washy. Willing to along with everyone, seems to be trying to lie low.
Town Behaviors: Recognizes the disadvantages of a first day lynch and feels its too hasty.
Misc: Against first day lynching since town is at disadvantage- but will go along if everyone else will do it. Defends Trak’s usage of “accusing” and seems to support him. 12.) Beorn1 + Show Spoiler +Mafia Behaviors: Longest Lurker by far. First post has 0 content.
Town Behaviors: 4) Your big "summary post". Great way to sound pro-town while being useless. You're just lumping absolutely everything that happened during the day into one big post. Not only is it a horrible way to pass a point across, but it can end up misleading as to what is truly important. The only situation in which this could be useful is when coming from a confirmed PR, and even then it wouldn't be a summary of what happened during the day and who agreed/disaggred with whom, it would have to be more succint. If you're really town, please don't do it like this again. Not enough evidence here to outright call you scum, but I'm wary of you.
First, im glad to see such an informed post, it seems as if you were here the whole time.
Second, Im happy you to read into the current suspect for yourself, OtoshmonoU and not just vote because its happening. But I have one question regarding this nolynch, can you provide your reasoning why a no lynch would be better than being 100% on OtoshmonoU and getting some information out of it? Even if you don't nessecarily think he is scum, you seem to see why other people do, and I think a no lynch is a fairly weak first day. What is your opinion on this and how can it benefit the town rather than the lynch at hand?
Third, I appreciate the read on maverick, as it is the first read on him other than the mementoss/maverick mafia team conspiracy. Though I am not convinced he is scum, and that all this behaviour is scummy, it is definitily worth looking at and thinking about.
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I gotta go for the night unfortunately as a lot of interesting action has come up, will read new posts and re-read tommorrow and post with a reply.
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I'm actually back for a quick moment and I think the game might essentially be ruined through modkills >__> we will see though. 
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Lynch everyone that didn't vote see if we can get a decent late game going. Is all that I feel like right now -__- . Its been a long time and I hoped to come back to at least 3 pages of some sort of spark of discussion. Last nights no-lynch seems like a huge fuck up to me. And since there is 5 lurkers non voters, even if 3 of them are scum (doubtful maybe 1) they are ass-fucking the town. It's going to be a hard game from here.
Bubbles I understand your reasoning for the non-lynch but at least lynching OtoshmonoU woulda lynched a non-vote/someone suspicious and woulda sparked some active and productive discussion for today. As it stands, what do we have to discuss today? Who the mafia will kill? If they can even make a decision on who to kill? There is no more information to go on than during the day and I doubt the posting activity will rise. No-lynch is a shit situation cause were still at square 1 when it comes to finding out scum.
@rainmaker, there has been a couple opinions on your "analysis" post. Half the analysis was not analysis at all and just wishy washy thoughts and didn't deserve to be there. You would have been better off doing a 1-2 person analysis more in depth with related quotes etc etc. But hey, at least you voted. That seems towny, but so many people didn't vote that it just gives me a general lazy vibe. So its not really a good lead at all.
@OtoshmonoU be happy your alive. If your town at least start acting like it, and getting some posting done.
Mafia target me tonight? Good luck, if I go down I think its pretty obvious through my filter connections that can be easily made to pick out who is mafia. (The people I have targetted and actively pressured throughout the thread)
--> Come at me bro
/cynical pissed off post
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lol day 2, where the game has completely new players seems to be the direction we're going in. But if it can promote activity and give the town a chance to get back into this game im all for it.
Hi willz.
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On March 04 2012 07:44 DimmuKlok wrote:
Ok, my suspicion is that this game is going to go on. In that case we need to move the conversation over to discussion on a way to solve the lurking problem we have, and start working towards a new lynch target.
My idea on fixing this problem is to force everyone post who they believe to be scum. All it needs to be is one person, and you don't have to put any effort into it if you don't want to. There's nothing against actually trying though.
The reason this idea works is because it's so easy. Mafia can easily participate in any way they feel fit, but they are forced to participate. It also brings back discussion with updated information. Comply or be lynched.
The only way I see this being exploited is if someone makes a simple post on someone and then lurks until it's lynching time. This behavior should be pretty easy to spot and pointed out by one of us, so I'm not too worried.
This post pretty much confirms town on DimmuKlok's part. All his posts have good content in it, and the game was at a current state where lurking was the majority and mafia could sit back and laugh to victory as for almost 6 hours since the lynch nothing significant has been posted. Not that many people have been claiming DimmuKlok as mafia, but I want to go back and check who actually did call DimmuKlok mafia.
OtoshmonoU - Still feeling strong on him for the reasons stated previously in the thread. (check filter as there a couple long posts about OtoshmonoU in general.
This also makes me suspicisious of him,
On March 03 2012 12:45 OtoshimonoU wrote:
I will stand on my suspicion over mementoss and maverick, but also state that DimmuKlok is giving me an iffy feeling.
"I agree. Lets lynch beorn. He has yet to contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate for today"
"##FoS: Rainmaker5"
"I'm somewhat lost when it comes to Sufficiency"
"##Vote: OtoshimonoU"
Maybe he's just a townie that doesn't understand what he wants to do or just wants to follow the leader or someone that wants someone lynched. I can't get a clear view of him, all I see from him is throwing out random thoughts.
As I stated he attacks Dimmu, who I strongly believe shows town. He also attacks other people similar to dimmuklok that produce thought out posts, and actively post. Such as Mementoss, and Maverick. Then he FoS, Sufficiency to blend in andor to get the attention off himself.
But I do not want a no lynch again. That being said my nuumber 2 is still Sufficiency. He makes no sense and is either a very confused townie, or a spammy derailing style mafia.
Other than that I would go with beorne just because of his 1 post count.
Everyone should post there FoS right now and we can move on from there, THIS HELPS THE TOWN. IF YOU ARE TOWN MAKE A GOOD POST, think it through. Anyone who doesn`t do this can be considered suspicious mafia or just ignoring the game completely.
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On March 04 2012 08:17 kitaman27 wrote:
blubbdavid has replaced Beorn1. Say hi!
Kitaman27 I would like to take this time to thank you for putting in all this effort to keep the game going and working even though almost half the roster was inactive. You`re doign a great job running/moderating the game keep it up.
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Night is almost half done, Lurkers still lurking. New people I know its alot of pressure but try to read the thread as quick as possible and form your opinions in post. The town is in dire state as of late.
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On March 04 2012 09:20 Maverick32x wrote:
This is all just a bit ridiculous now that we have all of these new people here. Any reads that we had on anyone are confirmed useless- since odds are the 'lack of response' was due to a lack of interest in the game. I'm not really going to bandwagon with anyone since its pretty much a very different game at this point... I'm not going to vote OtoshimonoU since he actually responded. He didn't vote yet was suspicious of people.. I think he's just bad town... I'm keeping my eyes on Sbrubbles since I'm considering that he is worried that the town are active and he wants to instill some doubt and hostility in us.. that could be because I just don't like him though? we will see what happens after the first night rolls around.
What is your reasoning behind OtoshimonoU being bad town over scum? Also I have been keeping my eyes on bubbles too. But I was wondering your reasoning behind this as well, is this just accusing him because he was bringing up you??
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My opinion on the replacements is yes its sketchy but regame is sketchy too as you'll bring all the biases of this game into it cause its the saame players yet there could be different roles. Also you can still use previous reads on people that replaced the role cause scum coulda made a big mistake before replacement and then the replacement has to cover it upo, either that or they were so lurker that there was no read on them anyways.
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I will play no matter what too, im out for the night I hope there is posts tonight I want to do some more reads.
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GG guys im upset that im leaving so early, but my aggressiveness seemed to lead to my lead my death!! Go town, try your best you can do it! My first game must have been fucked up by being too aggressive towards mafia. I'm at least happy I got to post what I thought what best after my death!!! I will still Obs this game! GL HF!
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On March 16 2012 12:47 Maverick32x wrote:
This was my first game, and though the inactivity was kind of annoying, I REALLY liked it.. so much that I signed up for another game!
It is a GREAT way for me to spend time at my pretty boring job- and I love being able to analyze what people are typing and try to 'solve' things... any general tips for me? I felt like I was going a bit overboard a couple times and jumping to conclusions WAY too much... I also think I just had a lot of free time to really dig into everyone's posts....
^^This this this. Hope to see you in a future game maverick. GG town. I thought mafia would flawless victory, but it all came down to one vote! I thought things were really weird at the end cause if Dim was mafia I don't think he woulda killed maverick to bring more suspicion to himself. Well played by Blubbdavid, good fake DT claim. Fun times, though you scum killed me first day.
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