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Maverick32x
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Maverick32x
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Maverick32x
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I'm very interested to see how it all shakes out!! | ||
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Maverick32x
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Also im concerned about the fate of our game... | ||
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Maverick32x
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Even among those 4 that didn't bother to vote, we also have 1 person who is brand new.. and another one who is just ridiculous (sufficiency).... Where do we even go from here? I honestly don't know what there is to discuss at this point? I mean, I guess we can keep pointing fingers.. but that really doesn't get us closer to anything... I guess for the sake of defending myself, @Sbrubbles- feel free to check my limited post history outside of this thread.. I'm very long winded and analytically in my posts... As for the chart, I see the mixup... I was looking at it as the town that are influenced by the mafia.. so I took my base number as the townies.. and you took it as everyone... It really doesn't matter what the numbers are really.. it was just designed to show that RL was a bad idea.. and that in reality a no lynch would be better for us and minimize our loses... so its the concept thats important.. 2) The whole point of lynching lurkers is that they are usually scum, not usually town. There's a good chance there are 2 mafia guys going along with the discussion, but that a third one is hanging back to not endanger himself of later days. If we have to choose between two lurkers, it is up to us (town) to not be dissuaded by someone (or two) who knows which lurker is mafia and which one is town. Still, lynching lurkers is a good strategy, having no better suspect. That is one way of looking at it.. This is my thought process though- Lets say all 3 mafia players are being active at that point in the game. And one of them says "lets lynch the lurkers". Clearly the 3 mafia are aware that they aren't even being considered at this point as potential suspects.... so wouldn't they be okay with this idea? Especially with the amount of low posts at the time- This idea just seems bad. I wonder if someone who has actual contributed and agreed and disagreed with people would be better.. if we got a hit on them, it would be easy to follow them around to other people. As opposed to if we hit a lurker.. okay. we got a mafia.... but now what? And if we got a townie.. we actually accomplished nothing at all. This is obviously my view on this generalized idea- which makes me a suspect.. how? 3) Nervous of sounding "bloodthirsty". You're not even close to the accusation center and you apologise in 3 different posts? Yep, I actually acknowledged that as well... And I've accused multiple people at this point to stir up conversations in preparation of the vote. 4) Your big "summary post". Great way to sound pro-town while being useless. You're just lumping absolutely everything that happened during the day into one big post. Not only is it a horrible way to pass a point across, but it can end up misleading as to what is truly important. The only situation in which this could be useful is when coming from a confirmed PR, and even then it wouldn't be a summary of what happened during the day and who agreed/disaggred with whom, it would have to be more succint. If you're really town, please don't do it like this again. I don't have any other way to possibly convey the information that is occurring... You come off extremely arrogant in all of these points with an attitude of "I know more than you" and its really off putting to me. This of course has no indication of town/scum- just something that makes it hard to agree with you. As for the "Mementoss and Maverick" connection... That just doesn't add up... we both are taking a logical approach and are active.. it just makes sense that the active people we be talking to each other.... Its good to see that our newest addition is involved however, so we will see what happens... | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
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Maverick32x
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He responded pretty well when pressured, which I liked... I'll have to re-read through filters to talk more about it... Its still pretty early.. its not even the 2nd day yet... As for Bubbles.. he just came in too hot to this whole thing.. I'm sure there is a lot of pressure to be subbed in mid-game.. but his "I know more than you" attitude just made me feel like he was trying to take over the group here rather quickly... start to influence and all.. I get the feeling that townies are more "community" focused.. trying to work with each other.... he just didn't strike me as a collaborator.. I'll play no matter what we do fyi. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Mementoss was definitely seen as a threat so lets look at what he's been saying and try to piece something together... From Mafia perspective: Mementoss was leading the charge against Oto... maybe they want us to retaliate by going after him? Or are they just trying to protect him? Mementoss also was pressuring Pablol's a bit early on, maybe this was a revenge kill from him? Also there was a lot of pressure directed at Sufficiency,,,.. What we can learn as town: Mementoss had a good read on Dim- if he was mafia, they wouldn't of killed Mementoss. I agree with Mementoss on that read. Right now, my sights are set on Oto- finish what Mementoss started!!! Or brubbles... He seemed to leap out at me- yet didn't seem to say ANYTHING to mementoss who was sharing a lot of my reads also.... For Aiur Mementoss!!! | ||
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Maverick32x
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I'm leaving for class right now and won't be back home for about another 9ish hours... I'll try to check every so often on breaks to stay up to date on the thread. Lets try to actually get a vote this time? I'm still thinking OtoshimonU- it provoked a response from Mafia and there seems to be sufficient reasons behind it... | ||
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Maverick32x
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Maverick32x
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We have WAY too many Lurkers right now... I would love to say/think that everyone who is lurking is Mafia, but obviously that is impossile. There are people making votes with little or no explanation of why they are voting. Lets go through the list!(Just because I know how much Brubbles hates this) 1. )gunman103 Filter @I think that you're on the right track, and I follow a lot of your logic. (Suspecting Brubbles and Oto...) You've been able to post a decent amount, but I'd really like to try to get another person in here who actually is actively making reads. 3.) Rainmaker5 Filter Lurker. Barely any posts. Can't even get a good read off this guy. Was active-ish at the start, hasn't posted much since. 4.) Pablols Filter Makes me a bit nervous- he was adament that Mementoss was scum, yet he obviously isn't. I get how he got to this conclusion however, especially with the mis-qoutes and things like that... I will 100% agree that sufficiency is on my list. I'm still not sure if he is just bad town, or if he is scum... Either way, I'd really like to focus on him after Day 2.... 5.) willz22912 Filter (replaced Tiystus) @ I agree that Oto is kind of a strange situation. I defintely get that he may of "just given up", but he really has done nothing to defend himself actively. One of the reasons why I think he is scum is because the vote didn't go through on Day 1. We were 1 vote away, yet we couldn't manage to get that? I feel like if he WAS town, scum would be eager to throw their votes behind him. If he ends up being town, I think our next list of suspects would be anyone that voted for him. If he flips mafia, we have a gold mine of information and will be able to narrow down who is scum relatively easily. 6.) DimmuKlok Filter Another person who was active prior to the Mementoss kill. Its unclear where you are at in all of this. It sounds like you want the conversations to pick up, but not much else beyond that. One thing that kind of makes me feel like you're town is that you were willing to seperate yourself from Mementoss as having a unique thought- I feel like if you were scum you would want to allign yourself with him as much as possible, but you're clearly willing to state your own opinion and not bandwagon.... 7.) Sufficiency Filter Accusing people of nothing. Never explaining your position. Claiming you know roles... what a mess.... 8.) Sbrubbles Filter(replaced friedchicken) His lack of vote resulted in a no-lynch situation. If Oto turns out to be Mafia, this is your next target without a doubt in my mind. If Oto is not mafia, then Brubbles is 100% town. 10.) trackd00r Filter Seems okay. Nothing too revolutionary in the posts, but accurate in my opinion. You recognized that mafia killed off one of the more active players to slow down activity, we need to realize that, and be ACTIVE. 11.) OtoshimonoU Filter We need to vote this guy. The information will be extremely helpful regardless of if he is scum or town. He has dodged everything we've thrown at him and hasn't been active at all. Again with my other point, if he WAS town, mafia would of voted him off with the lynch. 12.) blubbdavid Filter(replaced beorn1) You were able to craft one of the detailed posts in terms of why we need to lynch Oto, and that is awesome. Keep up the good work!!! ALSO, if Blubb ends up being town, I think its interesting to see the votes that randomly got thrown at him from sufficiency.... In conclusion: We need to lynch Oto or we will not make progress. | ||
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Maverick32x
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Maverick32x
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As for how I plan to use this information? If Oto turns out to be Mafia. Sufficiency and you will likely be mafia. Both of you side tracked the last vote to keep him alive.... If he turns out to be town- Sufficiency and you are likely to be town. Myself, trackd00r and rainmaker should be looked at as highly suspicious for encouraging the vote. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
I actually kind of agree with you Willz- However. Like I said in my post, if he flips green, that tells us A LOT actually. If you look at the Day 1 vote, he misses being lynched by ONE vote. That means, it is highly likely that mafia are within that voting group! (or the lurkers that didn't vote). So we've pretty much narrowed our focus significantly, and odds are that the people who didn't vote for him on Day 1 (besides lurkers) are also town. | ||
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Maverick32x
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I guess this is where I'm stuck... Would Mafia vote for someone else, KNOWING that if they voted for Oto on Day 1.. that he would be lynched? I find it hard to believe that they would pass up a chance for Town to sacrifice their own member for pretty much no risk? (an overwhelming majority of active players) This is my number one reason for voting for Oto. I'm not concerned about this day's vote, since clearly at this point since there are enough votes, Mafia can just lay low and vote whoever they want to, bandwagon, or not vote for anyone. However I think its important to really look at that first Day's vote.... | ||
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Maverick32x
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trackd00r Rainmaker5 Maverick32x DimmuKlok gunman103 As some of our *active* possible culprits...Obviously the lurkers make it difficult... but there's some thoughts!! | ||
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Maverick32x
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I need to kind of reorientate myself to the game however, since I put a lot of my stock in Oto flipping Mafia... I think I had a lot of assumptions built up around that... Now lets get down to some reads... -Rainmaker is the ultimate lurker. I'm not sure if this means he is scum? But its a big problem for me. He hasn't really engaged very much in the game, but still seems to just be 'around' and off a lot of people's radars. (mine at least). - trackd00r- An interesting player to say the least...Early on he was big into going after oto and getting that ball rolling... However, notice that on the second day he switches his vote to Rainmaker? One thing that I found 'townie' about trackd00r, is his blatent accusations. I feel like if he is mafia, these will come back to haunt him. For example, he accusses both Oto and Rainmaker very hard. If we find out that he is Mafia, chances are that he wouldn't be posting such an accusatory post at his own team... so again, we are able to narrow down our possible suspects.... Obviously his read on Rainmaker is consistent with a lot of us, and seems justified... It does make me wonder if the people who are targetting rainmaker are just using the 'lurking' as an excuse to target a townie? Though apparently the general consensus is that lurkers= scum.. Thats all I got for right now- actually need to do work at work.. (imagine that..) One thing that I'm really banking on is that we can catch a mafia SOON.... I really think that will only take 1 to start unravelling this mess... I guess in terms of FoS- Rainmaker? Due to excessive lurking behaviors? I'm really not committed to that however, and I've obviously was wrong on the last one.. so I'm willing to get a couple more reads before deciding on anyone.... | ||
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