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Don't forget attack Palmar, I've done plenty of that as well.
How does any of that make me scum and only scum?
You are assuming Sandroba's guilt from his lack of effort (something BOTH of you were doing) and then inferring my guilt from that.
I never fished for blue roles. Pandain claimed a blue role, I wanted clarification as to which one he was claiming, so I could better assess the situation which we were faced with.
And I am entirely justified in calling you out for doing NOTHING all of day 1 and then insulting the entire town when you are not happy with the result.
None of those things make me scum. Your case is shit.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2012 07:13 Probulous wrote:I leave the thread for a while and this happens! Nice ploy Pandain, I agree AKCT gets town for his response. This I find strange I was very surprised. Rg basically claimed Vanilla Townie or possibly Veteran. Here is something I wrote and was keeping for when his claims became useful. Claims to be able to half sandrobas chance of surviving night -> Vig/SKShow nested quote +On March 01 2012 16:28 rgTheSchworz wrote:On March 01 2012 13:02 sandroba wrote:
I'm kinda bore with Lynch all Liars/Lurkers talk. This game we shall try something new: Lynch whoever I tell you to lynch and win. It works wonders. Your chances of surviving another night are now halved,sir. ... Ive randomed a purely awesome role this game. Repeat of above -> Vig/SKShow nested quote +On March 01 2012 21:06 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Yeah, and Mr Hydra, I rolled something awesome this game, so I can make Sandro and others pay for their cockiness. Claims not to be SK -> VigShow nested quote +On March 02 2012 03:48 rgTheSchworz wrote:
it s probable that we dont have an SK.
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So, Mr SK, we lynch u after all scum have gone,ok? Therefore is either a Vig or a Veteran trying to get shot in a really stupid way (again). The he says Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 19:33 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Who said I m a vig?
I didnt roll scum, FYI. So just from reading his filter his claims don't make sense. Strange hit for me. I guess I was wrong about his attempts to get shot being stupid but that just says mafia aren't reading filters properly.
This is just spam, Probulous. I was not surprised at all that he flipped townie, nor was I surprised that he was lying all game. You didn't even believe all of his claims, you said as much here:
On March 03 2012 20:42 Probulous wrote:
RG stop playing the idiot. No-one believes the 1001 things you have claimed. Going to bed now. Thoughts in the morning.
Your post doesn't even make sense, you start by stating that he claimed Vanilla Townie or possibly Veteran, then somehow finish that he's possibly a Vig or Veteran. What was the point of even posting that wall of text? It contributes nothing.
On March 05 2012 07:44 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 14:15 Adam4167 wrote:
Since you've claimed blue already, can you tell me if you Tracked AKCT or if you Watched rgTheSchworz? I assume its the latter, but id like to know for sure. What use does that answer provide to town? The only possible thing I can think of is that he didn't believe Pandain and was using this as a way of getting him to possibly slip up. Pandain had announced his suspicion of AKCT so it makes sense for him to follow him. I don't see why watching RG would necessarily be more likely. As I previously stated it was obvious that RG claims were bogus from a simple read of his filter. Even if you disregard the above, why ask? I read guilty concience here. Mafia shot RG and wanted to find out if they had been caught. If Pandain claims he tracked AKCT, no harm done. If he claims he watched RG they can counterclaim because they know they were the one's who were shot RG. Thus Pandain was either lying or he knows they are scum. They know that he knows. Thus the only possible way out is to counterclaim as soon as possible with more information. It is a scummy scummy question. ##vote Adam4167
The answer to that question provides nothing to town. It provides information to me. I ask because I wanted to know what Pandain was claiming to get a better grasp on if he was fake-claiming.
"As I previously stated it was obvious that RG claims were bogus from a simple read of his filter", No, you didn't. You finished with the conclusion that he was a Veteran or a Vig.
It is not a scummy question. Why aren't you calling me scum? You're implying it, but you aren't saying it.
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On March 05 2012 08:37 Paperscraps wrote:
Ok so Sandroba claims vet or saved by medic. Why would Sandroba have been targeted as all last night? I don't think a medic would have been on Sandroba either. Thus that leaves the vet claim. Honestly I think Sandroba is SK that is claiming a fake hit.
Theres an option 3 here. Sandroba is an SK that is claiming a real hit (from the mafia):
On February 25 2012 12:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Serial Killer: You are a Serial Killer! Each night, starting night 1, you may send in a night hit. In addition, you have one extra night life.
On March 05 2012 10:46 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote:
Nope, don't like Adam. You seemed to be setting yourself up for an "i told you so" moment when i flipped town/non-visiting, making you look townier at the end of it - knowledge that you would only have if you knew who really did make the kill, meaning you are either a Blue or Scum. I'm leaning towards the latter.
##Vote Adam4167
AKCT: I don't even understand how the hell you are getting that from:
On March 04 2012 14:15 Adam4167 wrote:
Well well, isn't that interesting.
Since you've claimed blue already, can you tell me if you Tracked AKCT or if you Watched rgTheSchworz? I assume its the latter, but id like to know for sure.
Please elaborate and make yourself more clear.
On March 05 2012 12:35 Bluelightz wrote:If your going to vote me atleast spell it right -_-"
I don't care If I get lynched, If Town wants to lynch me fine. Know that the mislynch is on you. Again no time  wil post in like 2 hours maybe.
Bluelightz, why are you giving up so easily after one vote? Compared to your play in Normal Mini Mafia I, where you had 4 votes piled on you the first day and you tried to defend yourself.
Do you feel guilty again, like in Student Mafia?
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I was occupied with life events yesterday, hence my inactivity for a large portion of it.
Its far too late in the day to start pushing another case. Id like to see a resolution to this night-hit situation.
##Vote sandroba
Jackal, for a game you claimed 'is worth playing', you sure are going about it strangely. Do you plan to just ignore me calling your case shit? is that because you know it was?
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On March 06 2012 09:08 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:32 Probulous wrote:
Jackal, so far you have been as useful as tits on a bull.
You survived night 1 which was your reason for lurking day 1. Well it is day 2 and we have nothing from you. What is your reason today? If this keeps up I will have to assume you don't care about town winning and so must be scum. You're good at this game gives us something. Thank you. Just got home from work. I don't know why anybody thinks I'm good at this. It pops up every game. Dunno what Sandroba is. I was hoping Palmar would slip but it's hard to get Palmar to slip, but any ways I think Palmar is SK. If he's scum he has done a good job changing his scum persona. If he's 3rd party he's changed that a bit as well but I certainly don't see him as town. I stand by my belief Adam is scum. I've been absent. He's been useless. Pandain scares the hell out of me. I've seen him pull this kind of fake claim as scum before. And get away with it. Everybody else no freaking clue.
##VOTE: Adam4167
What you're saying makes no sense.
You don't know what sandroba is, yet you were inferring my guilt from me defending him earlier.
You think Palmar could be 3rd party or scum. I spent a large portion of D1 attacking Palmar.
Yet i'm scum.
You calling someone useless is rich. I hope for your sake you aren't town, because if this is your town play, you have a very inflated reputation.
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You arent even reading the thread, are you?
I posted before you did, at 8:55 KST
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On March 06 2012 10:16 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 09:31 Adam4167 wrote:
You arent even reading the thread, are you?
I posted before you did, at 8:55 KST Jumping on a Sandroba wagon does not count. And seriously at that point you should be able to see that nobody had voted anywhere else. You're scum bro.
You keep banging that drum.
And I'm not your 'bro'.
You come back with a coherent case that consists of more then baseless accusations, and then I'll defend myself. Otherwise, find something more productive to do, because right now you're just filling the thread with pointless noise.
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I'm posting from my phone so I can't quote stuff.
Prob, I already stated why I'm on the sandroba lynch in that post. It's too late in the day for me to push the cases I want to push, so I'm bandwagon voting on sandroba to try and get a better grasp on what happened last night. I like other lynches better but convincing at least 4 people to move off of sandroba is something that would take more time then we had when I voted.
It's a shit vote and I know it, but my vote going anywhere else is just as shit, considering the current vote tally.
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Town Adam does as he pleases, regadless of what people think of him.
Town Adam is also developing a habit of defending mafia. Really need to work on that.
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On March 06 2012 15:01 Probulous wrote:
Urrgh this thread is dead. I'm going to laugh if I die overnight cause this thread will turn into a ghost town. Come on guys post your thoughts, move this thread along. There is plenty to analyse but no-one is here. I'm heading home now and might log on later.
I'm home now.
What do you want to talk about?
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On March 06 2012 12:34 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 12:06 Adam4167 wrote:
Town Adam does as he pleases, regadless of what people think of him.
Town Adam is also developing a habit of defending mafia. Really need to work on that. As it should be. I knew GMarshall. You sir are no GMarshall.
Whats with the GMarshall comment?
Even though I have massive respect for him, I was never trying to be him??
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I don't push cases at night time, unless its so close to the deadline that mafia cant shoot me for it.
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There's really no way to know which it is until morning.
Even then, there's situations where it could be ambiguous.
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Nope, not in the slightest. I disagreed with you because I thought you might be scum.
I wanted to see your reaction and get a better grip on what was actually happening.
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On March 06 2012 23:08 Palmar wrote:
do you think I'm scum now?
No.
Its not out of the realm of possibility that you knew sandroba was going to be useless and bused him, but I think looking elsewhere right now is a better usage of my time.
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On March 07 2012 06:58 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 15:55 Adam4167 wrote:
I don't push cases at night time, unless its so close to the deadline that mafia cant shoot me for it. Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 21:21 Adam4167 wrote:
There's really no way to know which it is until morning. Even then, there's situations where it could be ambiguous. Why you such a downer this game Adam? I don't think I have ever seen someone get shot for posting at night. All you are doing is refusing to contribute behind a weak excuse. The sandoba shot is the one thing we have right now that can help provide some useful information. Of course the conclusions have to be tentative but we can still work it out based on his posting. I think my logic is clear and fairly robust. Besides if there was one thing you could comment on that would surely not get you shot it would be the dead guy. You're avoiding posting, why?
I said right at the beginning that I will only be contributing where I see it relevant, not just for the sake of it.
I disagree that we can get anything useful out of sandroba or his actions. It boils down to complete speculation as to his motives and mindset. As I have no idea what those are, trying to speculate setup from mafia motives and strategies is a complete waste of time.
I am not avoiding posting, I am avoiding irrelevant and speculative posts.
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Hah, your case is laughable. How can you possibly claim I seem like i'm trying to contribute? I have been actively not contributing since day 1. The rest of it is a pile of turds about my interactions with the now deceased and is complete WIFOM.
I've been acting like a dick to you because I thought you were scum the second you sheep voted onto sandroba with the reasoning of "my reads look a lot like Palmars, so ill vote like he does".
You've sidetracked this game into setup discussion which boils down to an answer no townie can know on more than one occasion.
You asked Pandain for his reads on who he thought was scum, he named Bluelightz, Jackal and myself.
This is a glaring contradiction to his stance towards me yesterday. He was actively defending me and pushing the lynch in any other direction. Yet you don't even bat an eye-lid at his complete 180.
Town Probulous is better then that, he would call out the glaring contradiction.
##Vote Probulous
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Trying to draw conclusions from a possible scum-team involving me will ultimately fail, because i am going to flip town in around 24 hours.
The assumption that anyone voting for someone you have a town read on must be scum, is just flat out stupid.
I don't hate paper for voting me, it was me or him when he did, so that's an obvious choice.
I suggest everyone take a hard look at AKCT, who's posted even less then bluelightz after being 'confirmed town'. He also claimed 'vanilla townie', which is inconsistent with the role in the OP 'townie'. Palmar did the same thing, he flipped blue, but I don't think AKCT will.
Snarfs, find me a mafia that actually admits he hasn't been contributing, and ill show you an idiot. Mafia deflect or misdirect. I do think Pandain is town hence why I didn't attack him. Why his read has shifted towards me, that is not something I can answer, you can ask him.
Deconduo, your 'case' against me is terrible. Its filled with confirmation bias. Palmar was the obvious choice to die on N2 since he was clearly town and probably not just a plain townie. Jackal's read is wrong, he clearly wasn't putting much into this game, why would you expect his read to be even close to right?
If we had a medic that wasn't on Palmar N2 after leading the sandroba lynch, then hes useless. I would go as far as to say you should lynch anyone that even claims medic for that. If there's a medic, its a Medic, because I really don't see a town medic being stupid enough to protect sandroba N1.
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Lets WIFOM away at this Probulous, you like doing that.
What kind of stupid scum strategy is it to attack the most townie looking person? Scum buddy the big townie while picking them off at night.
The fact that you are so adamant at shutting me up is hilarious though. I obviously don't have "the ability to sway people with my flimsy cases", as no one even took my case on Palmar halfway seriously.
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You say "Adam is more important today. He has the ability to sway people with flimsy cases". Implying I need to die first because of what i'm saying.
Of course I didn't answer your question, I clicked post before it was even on my screen, look at the time-stamp -_-.
I do still think you're scum, if this is your town play, then I had a very different picture in my head of what town Probulous should look like.
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