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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
February 26 2012 03:45 GMT
#121
On February 26 2012 12:38 Janaan wrote:
Day 1 post says 4 scum


But it also says one of them is Qatol, so is it 3?
Guts? Determination? $5?
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
February 26 2012 03:46 GMT
#122
EBWOP: Sniped by Qatol ^^
Guts? Determination? $5?
Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
February 26 2012 03:47 GMT
#123
Gumshoe, what's your opinion on an early vote deadline?
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2012 03:52 GMT
#124
meh, it'll work, didn't help us much last game, but I'm down for say 20 hours before deadline?
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2012 03:54 GMT
#125
are we agreed on no no lynch?
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2012 03:56 GMT
#126
Also I would really like everyone to post the time they will be active,

Ill be on probably 07-12 est then 17-22
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
February 26 2012 03:59 GMT
#127
I suppose I'll go ahead and briefly address an issue that is often a problem, especially in these mini-games. That problem is players lurking. Not posting is anti-town behavior. Don't do it. Post. Don't just post a couple content-less sentences, either. Scum often will want to hide and post without actually saying anything worthwhile. If townies do the same thing, it can get hard to distinguish between the two. So post with good content. If you don't, chances are that you'll be high on our list to lynch Day 1 unless we can find an obvious scummy player.
Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
February 26 2012 04:01 GMT
#128
On February 26 2012 12:54 gumshoe wrote:
are we agreed on no no lynch?

Yeah, I'm down with that.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2012 04:04 GMT
#129
Well not much happening now, I'll be back in an hour to check in one last time then I'm signing off. What times will you usually be on janaan?
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
February 26 2012 04:05 GMT
#130
On February 26 2012 12:54 gumshoe wrote:
are we agreed on no no lynch?

Yup

On February 26 2012 12:56 gumshoe wrote:
Also I would really like everyone to post the time they will be active,

Ill be on probably 07-12 est then 17-22

7:30 EST
17-21 EST
Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
February 26 2012 04:09 GMT
#131
It varies a bit day-to-day. In general, on weekdays I'll be on after around 6:00 PM EST, then on Thursday I'll get off after only an hour for the rest of the night. Fridays I won't get on until maybe 7-8:00 PM EST. Saturday I don't have anything, so I'll be on and off all day. Sunday varies a bit due to church activities. In general, I'll be on from 3:00 PM EST until 6:30 PM EST, then back on 9:00 PM EST.
NightFury
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada114 Posts
February 26 2012 04:10 GMT
#132
On February 26 2012 12:54 gumshoe wrote:
are we agreed on no no lynch?


Sounds good to me.
Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
February 26 2012 04:13 GMT
#133
NightFury, what's your view on lynching lurkers vs. a slightly scummy looking player on Day 1?
NightFury
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada114 Posts
February 26 2012 04:15 GMT
#134
On February 26 2012 12:56 gumshoe wrote:
Also I would really like everyone to post the time they will be active,

Ill be on probably 07-12 est then 17-22


Weekdays: Evening/Night mostly... I work during the day but I can be semi-active on a slow work day.
Weekends: Completely random at best. Tomorrow afternoon good, evening/night bad... next weekend no idea yet.

I'm in EST btw.
NightFury
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada114 Posts
February 26 2012 04:19 GMT
#135
On February 26 2012 13:13 Janaan wrote:
NightFury, what's your view on lynching lurkers vs. a slightly scummy looking player on Day 1?


Lurkers might be a better choice since they don't contribute much to begin with... also promotes activity. Slightly scummy is okay but can be a bit of a toss up? Depends on how strong the read is?
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 26 2012 04:29 GMT
#136
I think I'm gonna agree with a 2 round early deadline system as suggested by NightFury, with perhaps a longer period before the 2nd deadline (30-60 minutes seems quite short to me, but this is my very first mafia game so I don't know how often vote changes backed by solid reasoning can occur within this time). I just think that having only one early deadline would discourage first time townies from changing votes past the deadline if they have legitimate reasons, for fear of being lynched for not following these "rules".

As for when I'll be active, I'll be online on and off for about 7-8 hours from now. I'll be available tomorrow at around this time, give or take 1 or 2 hours. I'm in Australia (GMT + 11 currently), while the other part of our hydra is in California, but I don't think she'll be posting much (or at all) because she got a really hectic schedule this upcoming week. I'll have enough time to stay active by myself though

BassInSpace
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
February 26 2012 04:32 GMT
#137
My availability varies quite a bit. But I'm pretty good about letting the thread know if I'm going to be gone for an extended period.

I agree with gum on the no lynching, however:

On February 26 2012 12:39 gumshoe wrote:
1: Please wait a little while into the game before making accusations, mafia love conflict, they thrive in it, there is no plus side to you getting into a fight with a fellow townie, so wait a few hours till your sure someones scum before you post a case on them, and if someone does something scummy early on, make a note of it, don't just blurt it out, scum slips are much more useful as part of a bigger picture, and if scum are comftarble they are more likely to make more mistakes.


Do not use this as your guide. There are plenty of guides linked in the OP which will give you a more nuanced view of how to play and what to look for. That being said, gumshoe isn't wrong, but he isn't presenting all the options. When you post you need to have a purpose for that post in mind. There can be many motivations behind posting a case against someone, or even just pointing out a 'scum slip'. Try to post to cause the greatest effect. If you follow gumshoe's suggestion here and hold back what you see until you can compose a strong case, that is fine. If you decide to use what you have in order to pressure a person, that's great too. Don't pick a fight with a person because you think they are scummy. Objectively apply pressure, create cases, and persuade others to your point of view. Conflict is a useful tool, and putting someone under the gun can give you as much evidence against them as letting them relax and mess up on their own. Conflict is not where mafia thrive. Pointless conflict is where mafia thrive. The point is, have a purpose to your posts and use your head.

Guts? Determination? $5?
Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
February 26 2012 04:34 GMT
#138
On February 26 2012 13:29 k2hd wrote:
I think I'm gonna agree with a 2 round early deadline system as suggested by NightFury, with perhaps a longer period before the 2nd deadline (30-60 minutes seems quite short to me, but this is my very first mafia game so I don't know how often vote changes backed by solid reasoning can occur within this time). I just think that having only one early deadline would discourage first time townies from changing votes past the deadline if they have legitimate reasons, for fear of being lynched for not following these "rules".

BassInSpace

(responding to bold) Very rarely, honestly. Or at least, that's what I've been told by vets of mafia. How do you feel about lynching lurkers?
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 26 2012 04:38 GMT
#139
I agree with lynching lurkers. At the very least, we're getting rid of unhelpful town. How does 2-4 hours for a second deadline sound?
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2012 04:40 GMT
#140
On February 26 2012 13:32 DoYouHas wrote:
My availability varies quite a bit. But I'm pretty good about letting the thread know if I'm going to be gone for an extended period.

I agree with gum on the no lynching, however:

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 12:39 gumshoe wrote:
1: Please wait a little while into the game before making accusations, mafia love conflict, they thrive in it, there is no plus side to you getting into a fight with a fellow townie, so wait a few hours till your sure someones scum before you post a case on them, and if someone does something scummy early on, make a note of it, don't just blurt it out, scum slips are much more useful as part of a bigger picture, and if scum are comftarble they are more likely to make more mistakes.


Do not use this as your guide. There are plenty of guides linked in the OP which will give you a more nuanced view of how to play and what to look for. That being said, gumshoe isn't wrong, but he isn't presenting all the options. When you post you need to have a purpose for that post in mind. There can be many motivations behind posting a case against someone, or even just pointing out a 'scum slip'. Try to post to cause the greatest effect. If you follow gumshoe's suggestion here and hold back what you see until you can compose a strong case, that is fine. If you decide to use what you have in order to pressure a person, that's great too. Don't pick a fight with a person because you think they are scummy. Objectively apply pressure, create cases, and persuade others to your point of view. Conflict is a useful tool, and putting someone under the gun can give you as much evidence against them as letting them relax and mess up on their own. Conflict is not where mafia thrive. Pointless conflict is where mafia thrive. The point is, have a purpose to your posts and use your head.



way to undermine my imaginary authority DYH The thing about conflict is pretty much fluff, the heart of my request is that we don't pressure until say 10 hours in, theres nothing to pressure at this stage, and fights this early on more often than not are between townies :/ but I don't think this minor argument should take up more of our time so ill leave it to the townies to decide how they want to build their style.
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