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Alderan
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Janaan could have looked blue to a scum. This needs to be quoted, it's the scummiest thing that's been said in the whole thread imo (and definitely not just because its about me. On February 29 2012 13:42 nttea wrote: How about default lynch on alderan If we don't get any better ideas? I feel he worked extremely hard (but trying to not make it obvious) on making sure we didn't get a lynch done last day... Someone called him out on it, and he responded with this: ok so 3 people arguing AGAINST alderan, i don't have any better ideas maybe i just suck at this game and yes there's plenty more time for more info to come out that's why i said alderan unless we get something better. Apparently people seem very against that so i'll yield but i hope someone comes up with something This was the best way i could think of contributing since i thought alderan dropped what seemed like something convincing from his part right into nothing, i was just thinking if alderan was scum it would be really good play by him, if he is townie i don't see what he contributed except making sure nobody got lynched, but yeah it's a pretty weak claim that's why default cause we don't have anyone better from what i can see We're not even 12 hours into the 48 of the day period and he is trying to crush discussion and have a default lynch target... He then abandons that because "people don't like it" and "I must suck at this game". Classic scum moves. | ||
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On March 01 2012 01:55 slOosh wrote: Mindset correction: This is a dangerous mindset to hold as is untrue. There is a difference in a person driving discussion and discussion being generated about/around a person. In this case it is the latter, and it is easy for either mafia or town to defend themselves and thereby "create" content. It shouldn't be considered a town tell on that account, let alone the fact that there are mafia playstyles that are very active (zarepath in NMMIII comes to mind). Stuff revolving around Alderan: First off is the flushing of lurkers. I held off on commenting because of this exact reason, and we see nttea come out, sheeping my case. Could be a newbie townie unsure of how to contribute or a mafia supporting a mislynch, or a mafia busing a teammate under scrutiny to take attention off of themselves. Its good that people are keeping watch of everyone, and a few people have called him out. Please stay on that, and for everyone else keep an eye on that (it is counter productive if we all turn our attention to that since if case he is newbie town we just wasted the whole day, and it might turn into easy bandwagon on him, and we don't need whole town to pressure lurkers) Second: I think we have different usage of the word "set up". Mine is more along the lines of what I bolded in your post, and what I wrote as my conclusion: " he is casting confusion amongst town by setting up multiple suspects without good reason or case". I don't think his goal was to pull off the mislynch D1 (I doubt mafia would be so brazen to do that last minute when it would result in intense scrutiny of whoever caused the last minute swing) - I'm saying that it is suspicious to cast suspicion on people without good reason. Third: I didn't bring this piece of information up since I wanted to see how Alderan, and others would respond to my case and his defense. If you look at his PBPA on Choco and read where the quotes come from in Choco's filter, you will realize that the quotes are not chronological (the 3rd quote is actually written before the 1st and 2nd quotes). This is why my suspicion remains on him - removing time stamps so people won't instantly be able to realize it to build a misleading case and cast suspicion on Choco. At best this is a biased townie who built the case with the mindset of proving that Choco is mafia. Was it an honest mistake? Maybe, but if we spend the whole game excusing potentially intentionally poor play by saying it is a newbie game we won't ever get anywhere. Stance on gumshoe As to the discussion revolving around the N1 Janaan kill - Phagga put it best himself: It is discussion that is inconclusive. We can try to guess what the mafia were thinking, but that is all it will amount to. A guess. Even if we discussed it over and come to a consensus, it is still at best conjecture that isn't strong enough to help find and lynch mafia. The reason why we should stop talking about it, is that it allows an easy avenue for mafia to contribute, because its ultimately meaningless - they don't fear saying anything condemning because everyone doing is just guessing and no one is going to be called out on a guess. I don't like gumshoe right now for two reasons: 1) Is the obviously weak accusations he is flinging at me. For someone who is obviously against the use of meta his sole suspicion of me revolves around meta. I've clearly explained the intentional change in my playstyle, and he tries casting suspicion on me, and getting others to do it for him. Not only is it suspicious for him to do this, I have to divert attention and time addressing this each time so people don't start thinking like him and start ignoring my cases and discussion points, and it is really hindering my ability to generate quality posts. Zelblade basically built a case while I was writing up this post. Will read over it and Alderan's response when I have time during the latter part of the day. Sloosh this is getting repetitive.... - You say I'm just defending myself and that's where I'm generating content. If I'm correct I have posted more player analysis than anyone in this thread. Just because they are not "Super long, one post a day posts" (that I did last game when I was scum; that you are doing now) doesn't mean I'm not generating content. - I didn't remove the stamps, it's just much easier to copy and paste and then add quote brackets. They are out of order because the post was not set up chronologically but topically. I wanted to put all the posts on lynching lurkers together, and then I wanted to talk about his lynch deadline availability. - I don't know how you can call me a biased towny, I've said multiple times that my Chocolate case was not that strong, I've taken into account other's input, and I've posted new cases to see what others thought about it. This is how you scum hunt, and it's also the best way to maximize reactions of the town for more reads. Any other questions? | ||
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Let's see what we got here: I think I can address all of Sloosh and Jekyll's worries about me in one sentence: A person can have more than one case active at a time, especially when the town is as inactive as this one. Look, I posted a couple cases of people I find scummy at the end of the night/beginning of the day period to see what everyone thinks about the cases. Sloosh I used to think you were just playing poorly (while ridiculing my play nonetheless) but now I realize you are just misleading the town to cast suspicion on me. Alderan puts up a case against k2hd, but as Hyde points out he drops case and suspects Janaan. I did not drop anything, I'm suspicious of multiple people, ya know, because there are more than one scum. Then you had this post: On March 01 2012 15:52 slOosh wrote: Alright, gotta sleep now. DYH I don't think right now holding off too much on your case is the best choice. Right now our votes are spread between 4 suspects, and it is critical that we rally and focus on the best possible choice. It could be the case that more than 1 of them are mafia, but even then we should be unified in which one to lynch. Thinking about our friends in alternate timezones, they may not be able to read your case and we can't really bank on Alderan and k2hd posting satisfactorily and I think in this situation a soft deadline would also be helpful. But I trust your judgement - we need content from everyone and not just a few of us. I just want us to be mindful of the situation that we are in. What in the hell does that even mean? Again you continue to try to discredit my name, my cases, and my contributions for seemingly no reason. You already admit that you don't find me as suspicious as you originally did with your first case, so why the blatant cut down. | ||
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Alderan
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K2hd has still not provided anything of value, under the guise of being a "noob town". Quite frankly I'm sick of responses like this. WE'RE ALL NOOBS.... hence the title of this game. Read filters and make cases. I say from this point forward we stop accepting responses like this. His vote is currently on Ghost_403. His reasons: - He thinks Chocolate is town. - Ghost voted for Chocolate. - Ghost made a slightly suspicious post (a point that I actually brought up initially) - Therefore Ghost is scum. What? It doesn't work like that. ##vote K2hd | ||
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Please look objectively? "we can't really bank on Alderan and k2hd posting satisfactorily".... There is only one way to take this sentence, regardless of the fluff you just posted above. I understand we need more contributions, and we need to come to a come to consensus which is why I'm dropping this fight with you. Your vote is on gumshoe, would you consider switching it to k2hd? | ||
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On March 02 2012 04:53 DoYouHas wrote: EBWOP: So should zelblade. If our mafia last game was looking at the situation last night, we would have split the votes equally, definitely no more than 2 on the same person so as to cut losses if some shit hit the fan. I would have set it up where it was 2 maybe on Chocolate (assuming he's town), one on igadob (assuming he's town) and one on a random other. I think the wrench in things when comparing it to last game is the orientation of igadob. Because he was a lurker, and didn't even vote, it's highly possible he was just a scum inactive player, and because we have heard next to nothing from his replacement there's still no way to tell. If this was the case they would make sure to save igadob's life if at all possible because a replacement was almost guaranteed. In this situation I would put one on igadob and the rest on his closest competitor, who at the time was Chocolate. As scum, I would not have wanted any of our cases to have been one of the one's leading the lynch on the first day (I know mine against Dimmuklok was, but I've already said I did not want him to get lynched at all). So that being said everyone would post soft arguments and coast into the first night. The Day 2 was about starting casting suspicion, but again, you don't want to come out real strong against someone and them flip green. So you come out hard against people, but not necessarily put a vote on, or actually try to get them lynched. I did this with Sloosh last game, I believe he might be doing this to me now. There were two lurkers on our team through day 2, and I would expect that to be fairly similar here. Then we had semi active noob scum, Steveling, who reminds me of K2hd from this game. It's all WIFOM'y, nothing solid, but I certainly keep how our scum played in the back of my mind, as this game does seem to be playing out similarly. | ||
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On March 02 2012 07:39 gumshoe wrote: man why is this thread so quiet, does seriously no one have any questions for me? Is test the only one interested in my accusation? This is kinda sad -_- I mean gum, I don't really know what you want.... It's a PBPA against a lurker with 11 posts, 5 hours prior to the vote... We need to be focusing on who to lynch. I think we have targets picked with a little more solid case behind them. Testproject is a good back up plan, but I think there are better cases on the table that will get us more information upon the flip. I'm not sure that test has a lot of informational value at the time. This is I guess assuming that he will eventually come and be a proper player of this game. You know what the say about assuming though. | ||
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If I'm being 100% honest, I don't even remember posting those 2 posts last night. For that I apologize. As for the ntea lynch. It seems unacceptable to allow him to continue lurking and ninja voting. My vote will be on him unless something very drastic happens. ##Vote: Ntea I'm going to go back and read through the last couple of pages again so I can comment on the other issues. | ||
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Alderan
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If anyone has any questions for me off the top, that would be the easiest answer. | ||
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Alderan
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When I flip town you can almost assuredly say that DYH is town. There are a couple reasons, but the biggest one is that on N1 DYH basically berated me for buddying up to him. This is not something that scum does, they want the town to befriend them, so they can carry votes and look less suspicious. DYH calling me out on buddying him that early in the game would have been a terrible move as scum, and DYH is better than that. Everyone's vote should instantly go on Sloosh. He's done nothing but belittle others (namely me and DYH) under the guise of active posting. He's also the Godfather, so a dt claim that he is town will only show scum who to hit. Honestly if there is a vig, shoot Sloosh tonight. Trust me. Sloosh's hardcore defense of K2HD leads me to believe that k2hd is town. He would not have been this aggressive in defending him had he been scum as it would have looked terrible if me and DYH had gotten the lynch to go through. He wanted k2hd to get lynched so he comes out and looks very town and can lynch both me and DYH. Don't let that happen. The other 3 are not set in stone yet, but in my mind, one is definitely one of the lurker players, probably TestSubject. That can be determined after Sloosh. Also, I feel like I have already been checked by a DT. Do NOT claim. You alive and me confirmed town is worth more to the town than me confirmed town and you shot tonight. If we have another medic, save DYH tonight, and every night you can. Now that I got this out I'm going to provide more evidence on the Sloosh case, just wanted to hurry this out before I was unable to post anymore. | ||
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