EPTand i thought i was good at this game, getting 3 correct scum reads
gg BM
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EchelonTee
United States5239 Posts
and i thought i was good at this game, getting 3 correct scum reads gg BM | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
Feels like a Caller game, as I am still generally confused, and I won. GG echelon, thanks bro | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
How did BM become the cult leader? I suppose it was just a random decision | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Wtf Radfield you troll | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
(a propably way to big analysis for a kaller game) Chapter 1: I don’t recall saying scum. As this was my first PM Game, I was overwhelmed at the beginning. In restrospective my first PMs to JB were really scummy and my (fake) roleclaim was bad, too. I just didn’t know how to act, which is why JB knew I was scum, the second he died. I got a little traction after the first few PMs. Remember the post where I was saying that I need fanpost? That was basically me saying “screw it, I need practice”. Thank God our team was well hidden. Bugs and syllo where taken out day one and the fact that we didn’t have a scum candidate helped too. In PM land some people started to think that there actually is no scum team around night 2. At the first night, we already discovered how little our KP is actually worth. I think two of our shots got blocked. It didn’t help when ON got in a real life car accident and therefore wasn’t able to post. He was our unblockable KP. Unlucky, I guess. Not his fault. Scum was revealed, we had even less KP. Still overall, our team was looking quite good. Evan and K were lurking, but so were other guys. There weren’t many analysis flying around and I felt confident that we’ll easily win. Chapter 2: Downfall I was about to pop the champagne and then everything seemed to fall apart. At first syllo who wasn’t allowed to actually do anything started a witch hunt for forumite and for some reason (he didn’t really give sensible arguments), town followed. Kurumi didn’t read the threat and didn’t interfere. So, our PR got lynched by a ghost. Thanks. Even worse was Kenpachi. He just had no joy in playing anymore and basically commited suicide by fakenuking one of the player who was confirmed to have actual nukes. He didn’t talk answer to PM or QT and his final message was a “screw you guys all, this sucks” message as a gg. To get this straight: If this game followed the ban list, I’d 100% request a ban for him. This is similar to a modkill and I was pissed. So our three players died to: Modkill, Suicide and ghost. Great. Chapter 3: Performing These two losses left scum team a little puzzled at first. But then we were like, fuck it, let’s move on. Which led to the most fun part of the game. I knew that the ocean had changed back and so we had a perfect ditto target. As soon as he was confirmed ocean, I started to push V7 and our dance was IMO quite good and looked genuine. I had tons of fun playing this out. V7 played brilliantly here. We forced a mislynch and gathered some hope again. As evantrees’ lurking started to look like he will die at some point, the idea was to bus him early. I could prove myself as a Rolecop and confirm myself as a Town PR. Evantrees agreed at once (<3) and the play turned out to be great. V7 was unkillable now and I was far from ever getting lynched. The only one who pushed me a bit was GM (who I had a really awkward skype conversation with). We were heading towards 5-2 lylo with no sign of slowing down when… Chapter 4: Betrayal I had DTed BM earlier and shared the result with the QT assuming I could trust my team. The minute V7 read that there is cult out there, he contacted BM to be recruited, when we had all options to win. I could even have RBed BM, if V7 was scared of becoming cult. He just didn’t say anything. We would’ve won as Scum 100%, because nisani wasn’t going to nuke either one of us. But V7 decided differently which is also playing against your wincon IMO. It’s OK to betray your team after being recruited. It’s not OK to just switch teams and fuck your team. Again, with RB + lylo, we would have won 100%. I was pissed. And still am. This was a dick move. Chapter 5: Struggle and Giving up When V7 contacted me to tell me this, I got furious that he threw away our scum victory. Like really mad. My brain went into overdrive how to prevent him from winning. V7: You may think, you played me, but you didn’t. Nothing you said changed my POV. You said, you cared about me winning. That didn’t change anything. I just wanted you to lose. Really badly. As soon as I learned that Nisani is actually still town, I started to send Kurumi questions about rulings to take into account most of the possible outcomes. I even made a spreadsheet. I then found out that V7 lied to me that there’s four players cult, there were actually only three players. So my initial plan was to get BM lynched and kill cyri and lightz. This would have resulted in a 2-1-1 situation were Nisani couldn’t vote me. Which would probably be a draw. Problem here was Nisani’s nuke and the lack of knowledge of the real cult wincon. I had a longer chat with sheth too, when I read that he supported BMs haltless DT claim and realized he was 100% cult. He claimed that there’s a second recruiter (actually he did this before V7 did. I got the feeling that something was off. After a while, I summed up all the question marks: a) could a nuke even kill an ocean? b) what would happen in a voting scenario with 2-1-1? Speed matters? c) was there a second recruiter? If there is, can I kill both? d) how much influence do I really have on NIsani? Would he nuke Sheth or V7? Will he lynch me? As I didn’t want to put my (imo deserved) W in jeopardy, I just swallowed my pride and gave in to a sucker victory. So no V7, you didn’t play me, I was trying to find a way to make you lose regardless what you said. I just wasn’t willing to risk my win and that’s the reason, why I bargained with BM. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
Seriously dont get mad at me. I tried to find palmar or kurmi to talk to about the fine print of playing to win vs playing to win for your current win con and couldnt find them. With the game moving along I needed to commit to one or the other. Cults are often not used in games because they are a bit op and they change win cons. There is no way you should ever fault someone for deciding to pla to win overall. When I say play you I mean lie to you. I engaged in very long talks with you with the intention of lieing... thats all I mean by that phrase. I think I accomplished my goals in playing you because the last day and night of the played out exactly as I told you and the cult I wanted it to. JJ, keep in mind, it would b accurate to say that there being a cult alone made this a bastard game. I winch at the tone of post game anger. You kinda implied I cheated. If you are saying so please take into account I have 7 (i think) previous games with a cult in them... of which 7 games were by cult even after horrible play on the cults side. The fact that there was a living cult recruiter at that point in the game made thier chances of victory extremely high. This puts into conflict play to win vs play for your CURRENT win con. The op clearly states play for your win con with no regaurd for time. I choose to see thha as the allowed option to do what I did. All I did was PM bm with a subject of bank asking if he was drinking punch. I in no way play against my current win con at that time by say outin that im scum or you are scum. Tl;dr Dont be mad about me playing to win. Keep in mind that if cult recruited you, or me that night things would have played out the exact same way. If there was a 2-1-1 situation the game becomes a semi trigger finger event and well, I have strong feelings about that as well. The last game I was ended as a trigger finger game and it was lame. I am actuallly planning making a post about that because it something tl needs to discuss. I did not see playing for that situation as a reliable way to win. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
I realized syllogism was dead I also had a huge scumread on forumite, you, and v7 check my posts | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
I could have easily gotten you lynched fmpov | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On March 15 2012 02:19 vaderseven wrote: Sheth told you there was a second recruiter as wrll? Damnnnnn. Good shit by sheth. Seriously dont get mad at me. I tried to find palmar or kurmi to talk to about the fine print of playing to win vs playing to win for your current win con and couldnt find them. With the game moving along I needed to commit to one or the other. Cults are often not used in games because they are a bit op and they change win cons. There is no way you should ever fault someone for deciding to pla to win overall. When I say play you I mean lie to you. I engaged in very long talks with you with the intention of lieing... thats all I mean by that phrase. I think I accomplished my goals in playing you because the last day and night of the played out exactly as I told you and the cult I wanted it to. JJ, keep in mind, it would b accurate to say that there being a cult alone made this a bastard game. I winch at the tone of post game anger. You kinda implied I cheated. If you are saying so please take into account I have 7 (i think) previous games with a cult in them... of which 7 games were by cult even after horrible play on the cults side. The fact that there was a living cult recruiter at that point in the game made thier chances of victory extremely high. This puts into conflict play to win vs play for your CURRENT win con. The op clearly states play for your win con with no regaurd for time. I choose to see thha as the allowed option to do what I did. All I did was PM bm with a subject of bank asking if he was drinking punch. I in no way play against my current win con at that time by say outin that im scum or you are scum. Tl;dr Dont be mad about me playing to win. Keep in mind that if cult recruited you, or me that night things would have played out the exact same way. If there was a 2-1-1 situation the game becomes a semi trigger finger event and well, I have strong feelings about that as well. The last game I was ended as a trigger finger game and it was lame. I am actuallly planning making a post about that because it something tl needs to discuss. I did not see playing for that situation as a reliable way to win. well, you can find it in every single mafia game OP. you surely have read them: Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. you just didn't. you ignored your team and played for yourself. and not even well. WE COULD HAVE ROLEBLOCKED BM no recruiting whatsoever. 100% scum victory. you just ignore that, don't you? you just wouldn't talk to me about that. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On March 15 2012 02:27 vaderseven wrote: BM the night you recruited me, who would you have recruites had I not PMd you indicating I knew you are cult? rooooooooleblock | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On March 15 2012 02:22 Bill Murray wrote: I disagree Forumite was "just because of syllogism" I realized syllogism was dead I also had a huge scumread on forumite, you, and v7 check my posts well, bluelightz had a votelead of 7-2 before syllo stepped up. so yes, just because of syllo. Even though forumite looked scummy, he would not got lynched this day and probably would have killed someone at night with his PGO stuff. I checked your posts, you didn't even mention me once. except for the kids and the haltless red dt check, when you knew I was scum. and V7 was supposed to look scummy. | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On March 15 2012 02:59 Nisani201 wrote: can someone explain the "kids" They were an item. The Pope started with them in his inventory. If they survived, there'd be a good ending. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On March 15 2012 02:22 Bill Murray wrote: I disagree Forumite was "just because of syllogism" I realized syllogism was dead I also had a huge scumread on forumite, you, and v7 check my posts What gave me away? You might have had a huge scumread on me, but there was very little talking about my scumminess in the thread, my lynch felt very odd, which is why I was almost certain that it was cult-motivated. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On March 15 2012 03:08 Kurumi wrote: They were an item. The Pope started with them in his inventory. If they survived, there'd be a good ending. they did survive, what do I win? | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
If forumite had ever gotten the kids then only the winning team would have won. | ||
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