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This should be fun. I'll get the popcorn :D
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Hi guys! I know it's been a long game so far and Zephirdd has made a lot of posts, but I'll do my best to catch up on the thread and dive right in.
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So what's with all the tyrran votes? He doesn't seem to have posted anything anti-town so far.
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On February 21 2012 07:15 redFF wrote: VI policy lynch.
I don't like this sort of policy lynch. I don't like policy lynches in general-- they are/should be a last resort.
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A last resort if we can't lynch scum. As in, This is the least optimal lynch.
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How not to pressure: say you're pressuring
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Man as far as I'm concerned Tyrran can go sit on a carrot
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I'm just saying I don't like policy lynches
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On February 21 2012 07:29 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 07:27 Blazinghand wrote: I'm just saying I don't like policy lynches why not I'd rather explicitly try to lynch scum. Policy lynch is what you do if you can't make a good case D1. This happens fairly often but that doesn't mean it's a good thing.
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On February 21 2012 07:33 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 07:30 Blazinghand wrote:On February 21 2012 07:29 redFF wrote:On February 21 2012 07:27 Blazinghand wrote: I'm just saying I don't like policy lynches why not I'd rather explicitly try to lynch scum. Policy lynch is what you do if you can't make a good case D1. This happens fairly often but that doesn't mean it's a good thing. If you do not have a good case behind your vote today i expect you to go with a policy lynch.
I don't care about your expectations, but if ANYONE doesn't have a good case behind their vote (either for a policy lynch of a scum lynch) then they should be lynched posthaste.
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On February 21 2012 07:31 redFF wrote: Give me one example of a policy lynch occuring on tl mafia ever.
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
I thought a policy lynch was when you lynch someone for a reason unrelated to "I think this person is scum" such as "I lynch anyone who lies" "I lynch anyone who makes fewer than 3 posts per in-game day" or "I think this guy is a moron so I lynch him every game I play with him"
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On February 21 2012 09:05 chaoser wrote: Also, your unvote of tyrran was pretty bad redFF and seemed extremely defensive. His post wasn't a good enough post to un-pressure vote. I would never get off him from my vote because his post was NOT good.
Yeah tyrran's post is utterly worthless. I'm pretty sure redFF is just trying to duck the spotlight. If your lynching based on policy, I don't see why you wouldn't still want to lynch him now? Policy should still apply, and it's not like Tyrran has been captain mchelpful since showing up in the thread.
I guess you're showing your colors
##Vote: redFF
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EBWOP:
On February 21 2012 09:08 Blazinghand wrote: ##Vote: redFF
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I know, and I've voted in it. I'm just clarifying my voting here. I see no reason not to let everyone explicitly know whenever I change my vote.
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On February 21 2012 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 12:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 21 2012 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 21 2012 12:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 21 2012 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 21 2012 11:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 21 2012 11:42 Jackal58 wrote: Dear redFF and WBG You both suck. Sincerely, Jackal58 I endorse this statement fully and from the bottom of my heart I thank you for letting me know I am not insane. Why are we debating Policy lynches this early into the day? Seriously? This isn't a game with a player like 2010 bill murray who spams while being a dick, this isn't a game with a mod hating spammer named showtime. Instead we have for the most part a fairly solid crew devoid of spammy trolls. If you want to lynch someone for being bad, wait till they start being bad / scumlike, dont lynch them for shits and giggles. Policy lynching people on retarded reasoning is worse than RNG votes for early discussion. Cut the nonsense out. Anyone who keeps talking about it from this post on be warned. as a side note, VE since you are making moderate sense for the first time ever I have to give you props for impressing me two games in a row. /salute What are your thoughts on redFF BC? I'm almost convinced that he's just bad and not scum, but I'd like your thoughts before I act on it. Honestly I think he may be suffering from something like a bat to the back of the head. That or a level of arrogance unseen since showtime. As it stands now short of recommending a terrible idea and being a retarded troll (which is a smiteworthy offense if he keeps it up) I see him more as someone to mock / ignore than take seriously. I know I am moderately guilty of this via my last few posts, however anyone continuing the trend of useless discussion / just trading insults with redff are most likely not playing with town interests in heart. There are a few players already guilty of this obviously. I am currently more intrigued at the people who have let policy discussion run so damn rampant for even this short a duration of a game who (in my mind) should know better. Come on guy....COME ON. You know what I'm asking. Do you think he's scum? Also, I thought we were well beyond policy-discussion - I've put forth a scum-candidate and several people have joined the wagon (with little to no reasoning)....and some (and by some I mean WBG) have even gone on to defend him - citing meta resources that point to badTownRedFF. I mean, did you miss all this in reading? Why are you trying to color this all as policy discussion? What's up yo? its what? 5 hours into the day? I would like to believe redff isn't this horrendous as scum to be caught this quickly. However that is wifom with someone of his experience. The only read I have on him as of now is Bad. Bad town or bad mafia. Hell, I think chaoser is also bad for defending posting town reads as a viable move at this stage in the game. It is only at all useful if people are posting clear scum reads along with clear town reads to make them fully accountable rather than "contributing" without doing much. As for coloring it up to policy discussion, the main point you first raised (I will re-read to see what your entire argument is in exact detail so i stress the first point i saw) was his push on tyrran via policy of being bad. Factor in the mass level of general annoyance with him via his recent behaviour outside of game it is not outside the realms of possibility people are "policy" pushing him based on him being a total wad. I'm mulling over this post. The first thing I noticed about it is that it still doesn't answer my question. I mean, yeah. Okay. I get it. It's early in the game. But you don't even have a read on the guy? Regardless of the fact that he has almost 25% of the posts since the game started? I realize that's a gross exaggeration, but you see what I'm getting at - you should have more of a read on him than "bad" in my opinion. The next thing I noticed is that you respond to my soft accusation of you coloring the discussion surrounding red as 'policy discussion' by boiling down the argument against him I've made to "his push on tyrran via policy is bad". I get that he's kinda a tool outside this thread, but my argument has to do with his actions/decisions in THIS thread. If anyone is voting for him on policy based on his behavior out-of-thread, that's their thing...but that's absolutely not why I'm voting for him, and that's absolutely not what the discussion for the last few pages has been about. Is it possible that people are voting him on policy? Sure I guess. Has that been the subject of discussion, like, ever? Not so much. This is why I said you "colored" the discussion recently as "policy discussion"...because by my estimation, we've been talking about lynching red because he's scum, and you come in and say "why are we still talking about policy-lynch?" I mean, am I missing something here?
I would characterize that is BC's second attempt to dodge. I still don't liked redFF and i don't like the fact that he stopped carrying about his policy lynch. Why is that? I don't like Tyrran and I don't see how Tyrran's current set of posts makes him look town to redFF
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I think WBG is wrong and redFF has not been acting in a pro-town fashion. I think chaoser is picking a dumb fight. what do you think?
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So your contention is "redFF is playing as bad town rather than scum", and although lynching bad town isn't the worst thing we could do, it's substantially preferable to lynch scum. This is a fair point. I will reread thread.
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On February 22 2012 02:19 Toadesstern wrote:second this one. I'm having troubles figuring you out Tyrran. Same about Dirkzor and risk.nuke
I think I have him figured out
##Vote: Tyrran
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On February 22 2012 02:47 redFF wrote: what made me look townier bh?
You're still scum
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On February 22 2012 03:03 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 02:19 Toadesstern wrote:On February 22 2012 01:22 redFF wrote: Give some reads tyyran. second this one. I'm having troubles figuring you out Tyrran. Same about Dirkzor and risk.nuke I'm still at work rigth now, but to make it quick : I dont have any scum read yet. I'm leaning town on several people. I'm wondering about syllo rigth now. He claims to know something we dont about the setup, but doenst share it. I'm not sure if this indicate town or scum.
This was very useful, thanks you. You are an important town asset.
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yeah thats why i voted him
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On February 22 2012 04:23 redFF wrote:I meant you. That's probably the most convincing "Blazinghand is town" sentiment can exist in this game then
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oh sorry was that not clear
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I rather reasonably have like 0 trust in you
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On February 22 2012 06:14 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Guys - enough bickering.
Can we see a lynch-list from everyone? Mine's trash and I'm going back through the thread now - but I'd like to see a list of dudes you guys are willing to lynch to see if we can make something happen. RoL redFF Both subject to change.
RoL imo. redFF may be worthless but at least he's posting
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On February 22 2012 07:25 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 07:22 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On February 22 2012 07:14 redFF wrote: inb4 lying about claim, doesn't matter, its fairly easy to confirm a tracker, and you don't lynch a claimed blue day 1, especially a strong one like tracker. Cool cool. So how do you propose this works where you claim tracker and can confirm it? You claim your tracks every night? I can't wait for the "I was roleblocked" to come out D2 like it almost certainly will, and you could also claim that you saw nothing while tracking someone which is null unless they counterclaim that they had an action, at which point you out a blue. But lets look at it from the if-you-are-a-townie perspective. Now you need to claim your targets everyday and what you saw which will out blues and if you don't claim it we can't believe you. If you claim roleblock we can't know if you are telling the truth. So congrats, your "easy to confirm" role screws us more than helps us. Now you put us in a kill you to keep the game straightforward scenario since we can't discern your real alignment. heh, if i claimed roleblocked erryday then feel free to lynch me. I don't know what else you would want me to do? Not claim and let town lynch a powerful blue role day 1?
Wait so if you claim RB D2 we should lynch you? Wouldn't mafia just RB you for a night and get a free kill?
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On February 22 2012 08:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 08:23 Blazinghand wrote:On February 22 2012 07:25 redFF wrote:On February 22 2012 07:22 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On February 22 2012 07:14 redFF wrote: inb4 lying about claim, doesn't matter, its fairly easy to confirm a tracker, and you don't lynch a claimed blue day 1, especially a strong one like tracker. Cool cool. So how do you propose this works where you claim tracker and can confirm it? You claim your tracks every night? I can't wait for the "I was roleblocked" to come out D2 like it almost certainly will, and you could also claim that you saw nothing while tracking someone which is null unless they counterclaim that they had an action, at which point you out a blue. But lets look at it from the if-you-are-a-townie perspective. Now you need to claim your targets everyday and what you saw which will out blues and if you don't claim it we can't believe you. If you claim roleblock we can't know if you are telling the truth. So congrats, your "easy to confirm" role screws us more than helps us. Now you put us in a kill you to keep the game straightforward scenario since we can't discern your real alignment. heh, if i claimed roleblocked erryday then feel free to lynch me. I don't know what else you would want me to do? Not claim and let town lynch a powerful blue role day 1? Wait so if you claim RB D2 we should lynch you? Wouldn't mafia just RB you for a night and get a free kill? That was basically my point.
Well, then this is a death he will justly deserve.
##Unvote: rebirthoflegend ##Vote: redff
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This wagon is rolling pretty easily >.>
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An easy-rolling wagon doesn't negate the fact that he's scum.
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On February 22 2012 10:55 Blazinghand wrote: This is a game of mafia!
WBG: Oh thank you blazinghand you are so helpful Me: no problem man, any time WBG: Seriously I'd like buy you sangwhiches and stuff. I like walks on the beach Me: hey man that's kinda crossing the line I'm not really into- WBG: DONT YOU LOVE ME??? *click*
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On February 22 2012 11:07 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 11:03 Blazinghand wrote:On February 22 2012 10:55 Blazinghand wrote: This is a game of mafia! WBG: Oh thank you blazinghand you are so helpful Me: no problem man, any time WBG: Seriously I'd like buy you sangwhiches and stuff. I like walks on the beach Me: hey man that's kinda crossing the line I'm not really into- WBG: DONT YOU LOVE ME??? *click* I'm so glad I can smurf by logging into your account and posting this useless shit
Yeah I dunno why you keep talking to yourself, or log into your smurf to post fake conversations of you talking to you
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On February 22 2012 11:11 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 11:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 22 2012 11:03 Blazinghand wrote:On February 22 2012 10:55 Blazinghand wrote: This is a game of mafia! WBG: Oh thank you blazinghand you are so helpful Me: no problem man, any time WBG: Seriously I'd like buy you sangwhiches and stuff. I like walks on the beach Me: hey man that's kinda crossing the line I'm not really into- WBG: DONT YOU LOVE ME??? *click* I'm so glad I can smurf by logging into your account and posting this useless shit Yeah I dunno why you keep talking to yourself, or log into your smurf to post fake conversations of you talking to you
Or rather, *you* dunno why you keep talking to yourself. And by you I mean I.
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On February 22 2012 12:31 chaoser wrote:Guys, I'm looking at the voting and blazinghand has voted for 3 different people under minimal reasoning in the last ten hours. I don't mind a redFF lynch but at the same time, we need to keep up discussion other people. Can you explain why you switched from a redFF vote to a Tyrran vote on February 22 2012 02:43, blazinghands? your posted reason doesn't say much: Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 02:43 Blazinghand wrote:On February 22 2012 02:19 Toadesstern wrote:On February 22 2012 01:22 redFF wrote: Give some reads tyyran. second this one. I'm having troubles figuring you out Tyrran. Same about Dirkzor and risk.nuke I think I have him figured out ##Vote: Tyrran especially given your follow up post: Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 02:53 Blazinghand wrote:On February 22 2012 02:47 redFF wrote: what made me look townier bh? You're still scum
Tyrran came by and posted some worthless stuff so I voted for him. then redFF asked if I thought he was town and I said "you're still scum" because he is still scum.
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Tyrran and Dirkzor can both go sit on thumbtacks. Yall are butthurt and/or terrible at mafia. Seriously.
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Tyrran could he butthurt scum. Dunno what dirks deal is hes probs just dumb
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Jitsu what you think of tyrran, and what you think of me?
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Hmm youre right im usually very conservative with my vote right
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Oh no wait youre completely wrong
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On February 23 2012 01:56 Jitsu wrote: I think Tyrran doesn't know what he's doing.
As for you - one part troll, one part unenthusiastic, add a dash of the possibility of scum, shake and serve on ice.
I'm voting Dirkzor. ##vote Dirkzor
Why? His lack of a case on Chaoser?
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On February 23 2012 02:20 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 02:11 Blazinghand wrote:On February 23 2012 01:56 Jitsu wrote: I think Tyrran doesn't know what he's doing.
As for you - one part troll, one part unenthusiastic, add a dash of the possibility of scum, shake and serve on ice.
I'm voting Dirkzor. ##vote Dirkzor Why? His lack of a case on Chaoser? I don't feel Jitsus case arguments for wanting ro kill Dirkzor is heartfelt. I'd be okey to lynch Jitsu today.
I guess I should ask Jitsu what he asked Chaoser: Where's your case at bro
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I still don't see what the problem is with lynching redFF at this point. He's never gonna get shot by the mafia if he's town just to make us sad, will get RBed or *And I think this is the case* he's just mafia and punched out this tracker claim since he's out of breathing room and will claim RB.
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What you think redFF should live? I can't see him being anything but a liability going forwards. I guess my question for you is, "do we want to assume the mafia is retarded" and if so, then yes maybe they will shoot redFF n1. On the other hand it's possible they're not, and, hey, nobody who plays mafia here is that insanely dumb. What do you know
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Man prplhz do you have little squares in you that hold maple syrup because I see you waffling.
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On February 23 2012 02:49 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 02:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On February 23 2012 02:31 Jackal58 wrote:On February 22 2012 23:42 syllogism wrote:On February 22 2012 23:34 Jackal58 wrote:On February 22 2012 21:59 syllogism wrote: As I noted earlier, I do not think it's likely that the setup has a scum tracker but no town tracker. Therefore the town tracker can just counter claim him, but I doubt that's going to happen as it's more likely that he is our town tracker. These are assumptions, but reasonable and likely ones. Anyway, I don't think he is town because of his claim, but due to other aforementioned evidence and rationale. What if there are 2 separate scum factions Syllo? Palmar states that multiple factions are a possibility in the OP. I am not convinced red is town. A townie redFF would never call me a good scum hunter. He has made a point of telling me and others how much I suck at this game in the past. I can't reconcile this- On February 22 2012 07:09 redFF wrote:what, jackal said he thought toad was scum, i think jackal is a good scumhunter, i have similar thoughts, i post why i think toad is scum, jackal says he never thought toad was scum, i call him a wily old fox. - with a townie redFF. OP says there are 4 mafia, so that's not a possibility I don't see how that precludes the possibility. If I remember right the wording was kind of funny, but the other faction was supposed to refer to the possibility of a serial killer. The odds of two scum factions with two players each is really low, it would be near impossible for them to win. Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 21:05 Palmar wrote:Game specific rules and notes: The SetupThis is a closed normal setup. There are however variations of roles that can be considered non-normal. Thus you should treat this game as something of a borderline themed/normal. The distinction is somewhat hard to make, so just keep it in mind as you enter the game. It has no explicit themes. It’s only the roles that make the game somewhat unusual. There may be more than 2 factions in the game. This is a hard setup. It's not forgiving for any faction. Mistakes, disinterest and general incompetence can lead to a quick victory for either side. The game might even feel unbalanced if one side screws up too hard. But trust me that we've gone through like 10 iterations to get this right. This is a hard setup. I will be expecting everyone to play to their win condition and participate in the game as they best see fit. Sounds like he tried to make near impossible for any body to win. If redFF rage quit as it appears why are we discussing him anyways. We should be looking at other possibilities.
This is a fair point. I like Tyrran and Prplhz for lynches today.
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On February 23 2012 03:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually, RoL can be safely removed from my lynch list and replaced by BH - this guy is active to a fault in games he rolls town - I haven't seen that at all this game. All I've seen is a bunch of mudslinging and sheep-voting. Not diggin it.
Blazinghand relaced RebirthOfLegenD on my Lynch-List.
Ah yes you're right I never sling mud in any of my games, i am the paragon of respect
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I would like to strongly suggest you not lynch me based on meta. If you feel there's been a problem with my level of activity or sheeping, I would consider that an acceptable case and do what I can to address it, however.
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On February 23 2012 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay guys, I'm switching to BH. I think he's scum too, and I can at least admit that we're losing less (no offense) being mistaken and lynching BH than we are being mistaken and lynching BC.
;_; man I don't see what the issue here is with the redFF lynch
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On February 23 2012 03:45 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 03:38 prplhz wrote:On February 23 2012 03:33 syllogism wrote:On February 23 2012 03:29 prplhz wrote:On February 23 2012 03:27 Toadesstern wrote:On February 23 2012 03:19 prplhz wrote: I am not lying, it takes more time than 15 mins for me to read up on a page and make notes.
You should think this over syllogism because you're dead wrong and I think you have been right in just about everything else so far. I am trying my best this game, I am being active when you need me to be and I'm not being disruptive at all. There are way better targets around for a last-minute-switch. Names would be nice. Who are those people who are supposed to be way better targets? Why are you mentioning that but I have to ask you about this? Why are you not just trying to help right now and tell us what you think in the first place? Because I didn't want to post as long as I wasn't in danger of getting lynched and as long as I wasn't fully up date with my notes and with reading filters. That sounds almost too bad to be scum. You say you are trying your best, try to be active when "i need you (????)" and you've been making tons of notes. Yet despite all this, you have made no effort at all to stop a lynch of someone you consider town from happening. You never really even said who you would like to be lynched instead. What the fuck are you talking about. I complained about the redFF lynch and pushed the BloodyC0bbler lynch. Right now I am trying to stop the lynch of me and pushing the Blazinghand lynch. It may not be the best around but it's a ton better than me. You are trying to pull arguments out of the thin air with the "dissatisfied getting lynched day1" argument and the timing-argument. I agree with the other things you've said, I haven't been performing as I ideally wanted to be and as people would probably expect me to be. It's again the same thing. I don't want you to do a huge ass case within 5 minutes. I got that you're still reading but it feels like you're dodging the question. Who are those people. Just give us a couple of names, maybe a little sentence why and when you're done with that you may do another post later on and explain your thoughts. I just really want to hear something right now and so far you only say "there's way better options" and you keep saying that all the time without actually mentioning who that might be. You said BH is okayish but not the best lynch. Who would be the best lynch?
He's getting ready to vote me but wants cover if the wagon rolls through for when I flip town, obviously. Remember prplhz is captain mcwaffle.
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On February 23 2012 03:49 prplhz wrote: Off the top of my head, BloodyC0bbler is the one who looks most scummy to me. sylllogism, DoctorHelvetica and myself have made posts on him and I like those posts. Since we have dropped the BloodyC0bbler lynch I think that Blazinghand is a good lynch for town, especially if I'm the alternative.
Would I not be a good lynch if you weren't the alternative?
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On February 23 2012 03:50 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 03:43 Blazinghand wrote:On February 23 2012 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay guys, I'm switching to BH. I think he's scum too, and I can at least admit that we're losing less (no offense) being mistaken and lynching BH than we are being mistaken and lynching BC. ;_; man I don't see what the issue here is with the redFF lynch Well, he believably claimed tracker and (at least for my part) my scumreads want him dead. That's MY issue with the redFF lynch.
Would you be amenable to a redFF lynch tomorrow? I don't think it's legitimate for him to be so scummy, then just claim tracker and be like "welp no need to be in the thread anymore" since that's basically what he's done
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prplhz you have like 2 votes on you you can stop shitting bricks
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On February 23 2012 03:56 prplhz wrote: Like, I think BloodyC0bbler is scummy but I'm always kinda unsure about my reads (because, allegedly, I'm bad). Sometimes I just fake it but I'm not doing that in this game because that wouldn't help on this crowd anyway.
Ah yes waffle more
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On February 23 2012 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 05:42 Dirkzor wrote: I've thought about the whole RedFF thing. Whatever allignment he is doesn't matter right now. There are no indication that he wants to play. When/if he returns we can take a stance on him. Should we lynch him today we gain nothing going forward anyway so I would much rather lynch someone else.
I'm still want BH to hang. I think my case on him was pretty solid and he have done NOTHING to convince me otherwise.
I'll read up on BC now and the posts made against him. (It is Syllo, prp and who else who have made cases on him?) I'm with you on BH, but BC has more support and is more detrimental to town if he's scum. (inb4 BC says I'm fearmongering) Also, BH is more likely to slip-up and confirm his alignment the longer he's alive.
:D Someone has faith in me! I'll just post a bunch and all will become clear.
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So the case on BC is
All he's basically done is argue with jackal He's mad for no reason he jumped on the redFF wagon he hasn't been helpful He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else Layabout doesn't want to get shot
and this is more convincing than the case against redFF>
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That and "scummy people want to lynch redFF"
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Alright lets roll this wagon across the finish line. I'll vote him I anticipate this will earn me lots of town credit and you guys will be like "wow blazinghand what a fortuitous voteswitch, that makes you a good person" and send me chocolates and stuff but you don't have my address so I won't get any which is really actually good since I'm trying to lose weight
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On February 23 2012 06:14 layabout wrote: Whilst i would like to call VE dumb with have bigger things to deal with.
Voting for BC right now is not only dumb due to how people have been behaving but it a terrible move. This was first pointed out to me in Purgatory.
If there are two wagons the first wagon is significantly more likely to hit a scum because no counterwagon against a scum player would gain mafia support and the wagon would likely fail. So any successful counterwagon is much more likely to hit town than it is to hit scum because the wagon should only gain support from mafia if it is a townie.Barring a DT check, that is the only time that a counterwagon could be correct.
Unless the scum was on the first wagon...
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dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here
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On February 23 2012 06:11 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 21 2012 12:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 21 2012 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 21 2012 12:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 21 2012 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 21 2012 11:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 21 2012 11:42 Jackal58 wrote: Dear redFF and WBG You both suck. Sincerely, Jackal58 I endorse this statement fully and from the bottom of my heart I thank you for letting me know I am not insane. Why are we debating Policy lynches this early into the day? Seriously? This isn't a game with a player like 2010 bill murray who spams while being a dick, this isn't a game with a mod hating spammer named showtime. Instead we have for the most part a fairly solid crew devoid of spammy trolls. If you want to lynch someone for being bad, wait till they start being bad / scumlike, dont lynch them for shits and giggles. Policy lynching people on retarded reasoning is worse than RNG votes for early discussion. Cut the nonsense out. Anyone who keeps talking about it from this post on be warned. as a side note, VE since you are making moderate sense for the first time ever I have to give you props for impressing me two games in a row. /salute What are your thoughts on redFF BC? I'm almost convinced that he's just bad and not scum, but I'd like your thoughts before I act on it. Honestly I think he may be suffering from something like a bat to the back of the head. That or a level of arrogance unseen since showtime. As it stands now short of recommending a terrible idea and being a retarded troll (which is a smiteworthy offense if he keeps it up) I see him more as someone to mock / ignore than take seriously. I know I am moderately guilty of this via my last few posts, however anyone continuing the trend of useless discussion / just trading insults with redff are most likely not playing with town interests in heart. There are a few players already guilty of this obviously. I am currently more intrigued at the people who have let policy discussion run so damn rampant for even this short a duration of a game who (in my mind) should know better. Come on guy....COME ON. You know what I'm asking. Do you think he's scum? Also, I thought we were well beyond policy-discussion - I've put forth a scum-candidate and several people have joined the wagon (with little to no reasoning)....and some (and by some I mean WBG) have even gone on to defend him - citing meta resources that point to badTownRedFF. I mean, did you miss all this in reading? Why are you trying to color this all as policy discussion? What's up yo? its what? 5 hours into the day? I would like to believe redff isn't this horrendous as scum to be caught this quickly. However that is wifom with someone of his experience. The only read I have on him as of now is Bad. Bad town or bad mafia. Hell, I think chaoser is also bad for defending posting town reads as a viable move at this stage in the game. It is only at all useful if people are posting clear scum reads along with clear town reads to make them fully accountable rather than "contributing" without doing much. As for coloring it up to policy discussion, the main point you first raised (I will re-read to see what your entire argument is in exact detail so i stress the first point i saw) was his push on tyrran via policy of being bad. Factor in the mass level of general annoyance with him via his recent behaviour outside of game it is not outside the realms of possibility people are "policy" pushing him based on him being a total wad. I'm mulling over this post. The first thing I noticed about it is that it still doesn't answer my question. I mean, yeah. Okay. I get it. It's early in the game. But you don't even have a read on the guy? Regardless of the fact that he has almost 25% of the posts since the game started? I realize that's a gross exaggeration, but you see what I'm getting at - you should have more of a read on him than "bad" in my opinion. The next thing I noticed is that you respond to my soft accusation of you coloring the discussion surrounding red as 'policy discussion' by boiling down the argument against him I've made to "his push on tyrran via policy is bad". I get that he's kinda a tool outside this thread, but my argument has to do with his actions/decisions in THIS thread. If anyone is voting for him on policy based on his behavior out-of-thread, that's their thing...but that's absolutely not why I'm voting for him, and that's absolutely not what the discussion for the last few pages has been about. Is it possible that people are voting him on policy? Sure I guess. Has that been the subject of discussion, like, ever? Not so much. This is why I said you "colored" the discussion recently as "policy discussion"...because by my estimation, we've been talking about lynching red because he's scum, and you come in and say "why are we still talking about policy-lynch?" I mean, am I missing something here? No BH. This has nothing to do with him being uncharismatic or mad for no reason...at least for me. BC came right out of the gates with scumminess.
1) you quoted the wrong guy 2) i meant to say "uncharacteristic" but autocorrect is an ass
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On February 23 2012 06:20 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote: dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here Go find a retard.
ah yes you're right, in the next 40 minutes you're gonna get all the votes you need to lynch me, you're being SO USEFUL right now
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Look dude currently BC or redFF is gonna get lynched, pick whichever one is scummier and vote him
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On February 23 2012 06:21 Dirkzor wrote: Blazinghand is so far of his meta and have been sheeping thought troughout the game. He is the best lynch today and everyone should vote him.
Really you're making a meta argument against a guy who's been playing for 2 months, that's your story and you're sticking with that?
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On February 23 2012 06:22 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:06 Blazinghand wrote: So the case on BC is
All he's basically done is argue with jackal He's mad for no reason he jumped on the redFF wagon he hasn't been helpful He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else Layabout doesn't want to get shot
and this is more convincing than the case against redFF> Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:Alright lets roll this wagon across the finish line. I'll vote him I anticipate this will earn me lots of town credit and you guys will be like "wow blazinghand what a fortuitous voteswitch, that makes you a good person" and send me chocolates and stuff but you don't have my address so I won't get any which is really actually good since I'm trying to lose weight Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote: dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here Ok those 3 posts worry me A LOT right now. Anyone got the same feeling?
goddamn it's like anything I do everyone's like "oh hey BH isn't acting normal" well you can go eat a dick
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Also in the middle post everything after the smiley is a joke, in case your autism filter is turned on to full blast atm
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On February 23 2012 06:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:22 Toadesstern wrote:On February 23 2012 06:06 Blazinghand wrote: So the case on BC is
All he's basically done is argue with jackal He's mad for no reason he jumped on the redFF wagon he hasn't been helpful He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else Layabout doesn't want to get shot
and this is more convincing than the case against redFF> On February 23 2012 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:Alright lets roll this wagon across the finish line. I'll vote him I anticipate this will earn me lots of town credit and you guys will be like "wow blazinghand what a fortuitous voteswitch, that makes you a good person" and send me chocolates and stuff but you don't have my address so I won't get any which is really actually good since I'm trying to lose weight On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote: dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here Ok those 3 posts worry me A LOT right now. Anyone got the same feeling? It's like I'm playing with Coagulation all over again. They're obnoxious but this kind of playstyle is hard to get any read from other than "annoying". The only thing that worries me is that BH seemingly hasn't contributed a single original thought or point despite posting prolifically.
This is actually the first legitimate criticism of my play all game
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On February 23 2012 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:25 prplhz wrote: I agree with Toadesstern and Jackal58 on Blazinghand. Thanks for letting us know
Where would we be without prplhz this game
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Hm that's a good point. IT could be a function of WHEN your wagon started though right
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Yeah I'm going back to redFF
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On February 23 2012 06:31 VisceraEyes wrote:lmao
come at me bro
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On February 23 2012 06:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:30 Blazinghand wrote: Hm that's a good point. IT could be a function of WHEN your wagon started though right It's a shit point. The best defense is being behind in votes. It's unnecessary for anyone to hard defend scum BC unless he gets 1-2 behind.
wouldn't it be unneccessary... until he gets ahead?
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On February 23 2012 06:34 Dirkzor wrote: I never said the case againts you is good. I actually said your filter did not look scummy. But you have also not contributed at all the entire game. Which make you an okay lynch.
You have a point that I'm giving RedFF a free pass. It was never meant to be "never lynch RedFF until he post". Merely a way to get people to vote where I want them, BH. I will of course reevalutate my position on RedFF as the game goes on but right now I don't think he is a good lynch.
I have used boldface to highlight the contradictory statements
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On February 23 2012 06:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:33 Blazinghand wrote:On February 23 2012 06:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 23 2012 06:30 Blazinghand wrote: Hm that's a good point. IT could be a function of WHEN your wagon started though right It's a shit point. The best defense is being behind in votes. It's unnecessary for anyone to hard defend scum BC unless he gets 1-2 behind. wouldn't it be unneccessary... until he gets ahead? That depends on your preference as scum. I would gun it a little bit early to avoid the inevitable "he changed his vote as soon as BC started winning" thing if I'm scum. It could be a little bit behind, tied, ahead, it doesn't really matter. redFF winning would be all the defense BC needs.
Ah so this is why it was scummy for me to vote BC
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On February 23 2012 06:36 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 23 2012 06:21 Dirkzor wrote:Its not like the BC wagon is forming quickly. Scum voting for RedFF can just sit there and hope 7 votes are enough to hang RedFF. And to be precise we have 3 wagons. RedFF Bloodyc0bble --------------> Blazinghand <-------------- RedFF is a non-issue. He don't want to play anymore. If he returns we can take the discussion again. There are argument for and against keeping him alive even if he is scum. Bloodyc0bble is gone. He don't care. He is indifferent. He have been a target for some time now but he don't want to defend himself. Okayish lynch. Blazinghand is so far of his meta and have been sheeping thought troughout the game. He is the best lynch today and everyone should vote him. Ok, i have to take off for work soon but as it seems people are being retarded I have to come in and defend myself. Reasons like this post are reasons I am more or less a dick this game. You just said redff is a non issue because he doesn't want to play? If he is scum he is still going to help his team and guess what else? It means you just gave him a free pass to lurk the fuck out of the game without ever contributing and not die unless he actively posts. There are no activity requirements this game and you are letting someone go with a free pass seriously. You then paint a bullseye on me for being indifferent and not defending myself? The case against me is terrible. Wasting my time on a case that imo doesn't warrant being lynched on is something I should never have to respond to. The fact that said case is also being pushed by players who know better is even sadder. Whats even worse is you have those same people pushing my lynch saying I am more likely scum, yet one of the major reasons for their defense (as near all of them have also defended redff), is that there was near no resistance to his lynch. Guess what? I have seen very few people defend me through this lynch yet redff has had a ton defending him. If redFF quit he will not be mod killed for inactivity. But he will get mod killed for not voting. If he votes without posting we lynch him. He has already voted today before he quit I believe. I think it's a wasted lynch.
brilliant plan but redFF has already voted, on toad
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Like are we gonna lynch redFF day3 for a non vote on Day 2? I'm pretty sure that's not even a realistic possibility
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Also all you guys who think redFF shouldn't be lynched need to reconsider the split wagons between me and BC, just from a tactical perspective lol
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On February 23 2012 06:42 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:40 Blazinghand wrote: Also all you guys who think redFF shouldn't be lynched need to reconsider the split wagons between me and BC, just from a tactical perspective lol Its to late for hidden messages. Say what you want instead of writing riddles.
Um what you can't parse that? If you're against redFF being lynched and are jumping off the BC wagon to lynch me, you're dumb, because my wagon isn't going anywhere. Go do something useful with your vote.
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On February 23 2012 06:43 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 23 2012 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 23 2012 06:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 23 2012 06:21 Dirkzor wrote:Its not like the BC wagon is forming quickly. Scum voting for RedFF can just sit there and hope 7 votes are enough to hang RedFF. And to be precise we have 3 wagons. RedFF Bloodyc0bble --------------> Blazinghand <-------------- RedFF is a non-issue. He don't want to play anymore. If he returns we can take the discussion again. There are argument for and against keeping him alive even if he is scum. Bloodyc0bble is gone. He don't care. He is indifferent. He have been a target for some time now but he don't want to defend himself. Okayish lynch. Blazinghand is so far of his meta and have been sheeping thought troughout the game. He is the best lynch today and everyone should vote him. Ok, i have to take off for work soon but as it seems people are being retarded I have to come in and defend myself. Reasons like this post are reasons I am more or less a dick this game. You just said redff is a non issue because he doesn't want to play? If he is scum he is still going to help his team and guess what else? It means you just gave him a free pass to lurk the fuck out of the game without ever contributing and not die unless he actively posts. There are no activity requirements this game and you are letting someone go with a free pass seriously. You then paint a bullseye on me for being indifferent and not defending myself? The case against me is terrible. Wasting my time on a case that imo doesn't warrant being lynched on is something I should never have to respond to. The fact that said case is also being pushed by players who know better is even sadder. Whats even worse is you have those same people pushing my lynch saying I am more likely scum, yet one of the major reasons for their defense (as near all of them have also defended redff), is that there was near no resistance to his lynch. Guess what? I have seen very few people defend me through this lynch yet redff has had a ton defending him. Look again pal - I've counted layabout, Blazinghand and WBG all defending you so far. And I have counted you, syllo, prpl, drH, and more defending redff either directly or indirectly. Your point? There are far less defending me then there are on redff. Aside from general indifference I have done exactly what I said I would. Call out bad play. Redff has outright rage quit the thread after creating a clusterfuck of a day. Yet you are fine with someone actively disrupting and sabotaging a thread, but don't like when someone gets pissed off at bad play. Palmar invited people so that serious play would be done this game. I have yet to be given a game I was promised. What did you expect me to do day 1? Have an elaborate setup based plan in a closed setup? Did you expect me to post a list of scum reads day 5 hours into the day (when you guys have primarily based your entire argument on me around). Anyone who knows my style knows that I do not do this regardless of alignment. My ability to differentiate bad town from bad mafia or mafia in general is sub par in comparison to foolishness, incog, ver, etc... You can ask them and they will confirm this. Tell me what you expected? I was promised decent play in a game that has for the most part been herp derpy. Do you really want me to pull another pyp3? That was not enjoyable for me or anyone in the game. L had 10 times the herp-derpiness this game has had - and yet you were able (with the help of superior scumhunters, by your estimation) to come up with some reads. Your entire defense is based around the fact that "everyone has these unrealistic expectations of me", but the fact of the matter is that you've been entirely useless this game so far - oh, you called out bad play and voted for redFF?! COOL STORY BRO THAT'S WHAT WBG HAD BEEN DOING ALL EFFING GAME. No, you're scum and I think the fact that instead of posting reads or whatever when the heat is on, you went instantly into defensive mode when it's pretty clear that your wagon isn't even going to make it.
Hm that's actually super true. I'm moving over to BC
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I don't claim to know what's gonna happen but like we could use some help on the BC wagon Dirk
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with Jitsu's vote on redFF, redFF is sitting on 7 votes to BC's 6 and will be lynched in 8 minutes
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redFF at 7 BC at 6 redFF about to get lynched
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Helvetica sealing the deal it seems
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On February 23 2012 06:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:54 risk.nuke wrote: God dammit don't lynch a person who claimed tracker day 1. If you have ANY brains. He claimed tracker powers day 1 and hasn't played since then, he didn't claim a named role though which is extremely odd since it's allowed. And this is weirder than BC's weirdness?
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Well good news for you WBG is that redFF is dead.
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how about based the fact that you are captain mcunhelpful
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On February 23 2012 06:58 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:57 Blazinghand wrote: Well good news for you WBG is that redFF is dead. Happy little scum bucket aren't you.
AS a town player your goal is to not get mislynched, if you do it's your own fault.
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On February 23 2012 07:01 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:58 Blazinghand wrote:On February 23 2012 06:58 Jackal58 wrote:On February 23 2012 06:57 Blazinghand wrote: Well good news for you WBG is that redFF is dead. Happy little scum bucket aren't you. AS a town player your goal is to not get mislynched, if you do it's your own fault. But you're not town are you? what a useful post
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On February 23 2012 07:07 kitaman27 wrote: I better not have been tricked into playing a no flip game :p I can't stop laughing, having read this
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On February 23 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Maybe his being "missing" is part of the reason he hasn't posted for the latter half of the day.
I'm pretty sure he said he had to go
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what would we do without you chaoser
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On February 24 2012 05:41 wherebugsgo wrote: I can't actually see any reason for anyone of any alignment to ever say what you just said.
Anyway, need to know basis. I have no vested interest in answering any questions ATM.
He's trying to say that he expected a stronger attack from you, and the fact that you backed off surprised him-- WBG is not known for pulling his punches.
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what's wrong with lynching BC
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On February 24 2012 05:49 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 05:45 Blazinghand wrote:On February 24 2012 05:41 wherebugsgo wrote: I can't actually see any reason for anyone of any alignment to ever say what you just said.
Anyway, need to know basis. I have no vested interest in answering any questions ATM.
He's trying to say that he expected a stronger attack from you, and the fact that you backed off surprised him-- WBG is not known for pulling his punches. I find it funny that you're talking for him. Are you his scumbuddy by chance? @syllo same thing I said to Dr. H.
I find it funny that you weren't able to understand him.
Are you illiterate by chance?
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On February 24 2012 06:05 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 06:02 Blazinghand wrote:On February 24 2012 05:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 24 2012 05:45 Blazinghand wrote:On February 24 2012 05:41 wherebugsgo wrote: I can't actually see any reason for anyone of any alignment to ever say what you just said.
Anyway, need to know basis. I have no vested interest in answering any questions ATM.
He's trying to say that he expected a stronger attack from you, and the fact that you backed off surprised him-- WBG is not known for pulling his punches. I find it funny that you're talking for him. Are you his scumbuddy by chance? @syllo same thing I said to Dr. H. I find it funny that you weren't able to understand him. Are you illiterate by chance? Who says I couldn't understand him? The two of you seem so bothered by all of this. It's really hilarious. BH are you scared of me? Is that why you're relying on unsubstantiated assumptions to try and lower my credibility?
Man you were like "what do you mean by this" and I'm like "uh its kinda obvious" I don't see the problem here
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On February 24 2012 06:11 syllogism wrote: So no thoughts on RoL blazinghand? I will read his post-delurk filter presently
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No comments on me all game huh Jitsu what you got to hide
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On February 24 2012 06:53 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 06:44 syllogism wrote: A third party power that hides flips makes no sense at all. What possible function would that serve? I have no idea. I really don't know what kind of thirdparty roles excist and all I know about them is what I know from irc-Mafia and that Batman and Catwoman might exist. Other than that I never saw a thirdparty role in a game. I'd say it's something like that for me: It's probably the townie that dies when lynched but flips a day later. It's maybe some weird 3rd party shit I don't know. It's pretty unlikely that it's a mafia power but could be. Maybe it's nothing of thos 3 things :p
1) Assuming redFF was town-aligned, why would he claim tracker rather than that power or whatever? That doesn't make sense. 2) Unlikely 3) Hey now that makes sense, because hiding flips helps MAFIA
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On February 24 2012 06:56 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 06:37 Blazinghand wrote: No comments on me all game huh Jitsu what you got to hide What do you want me to comment on? The fact that you are playing like garbage?
Yeah... I mean typically if someone's playing poorly that's something you should call out. But apparently... not? In your opinion?
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So is this a completely terrifying "no flips, no kps" game?
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On February 24 2012 07:17 Toadesstern wrote:are you drunk or did I make some grammar mistake and we're both reading something else? Show nested quote +I seriously doubt that it's a "normal flip game" but palmar gave a mafia the ability to hide flips every single day essentially making it a no-flip game To me this reads as "I doubt it's a normal game and palmar ended up giving mafia an ability to make it an unnormal game". You just bolded the last part without reading the first part or I don't know what's going on oO
Did you know there was gonna be no night kill
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On February 24 2012 07:32 Jitsu wrote: @Blazinghand
I don't need to say you're play sucks. You garnered four(?) votes yesterday because of you're poor play. Me saying that "Blazing is playing terribly this game" doesn't need to be stated again. I can't help it if you, or some other people, are too busy derping around the thread to actually contribute something solid to town discussion instead of derailing it into the ground. You've said it yourself in previous games: if you are a town, and you get lynched, it's you're own fault for acting so scummy.
Make a case other than "4 people voted blazinghand" or it just looks to me (and to any rational observer) like you're trying to get some cred without doing anything.
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On February 24 2012 07:37 Jitsu wrote: Make a case on what? I said you are playing bad. I didn't say you are scum.
Guilty conscience?
So you think I'm town
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Alright guys I think we should lynch BC today. Here's the case, which others have made, and which is only stronger over a day later with him not having contributed substantially in the meantime:
So here's my case for BC
BC opens up like this:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 21 2012 11:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 11:42 Jackal58 wrote: Dear redFF and WBG You both suck. Sincerely, Jackal58 I endorse this statement fully and from the bottom of my heart I thank you for letting me know I am not insane. Why are we debating Policy lynches this early into the day? Seriously? This isn't a game with a player like 2010 bill murray who spams while being a dick, this isn't a game with a mod hating spammer named showtime. Instead we have for the most part a fairly solid crew devoid of spammy trolls. If you want to lynch someone for being bad, wait till they start being bad / scumlike, dont lynch them for shits and giggles. Policy lynching people on retarded reasoning is worse than RNG votes for early discussion. Cut the nonsense out. Anyone who keeps talking about it from this post on be warned. as a side note, VE since you are making moderate sense for the first time ever I have to give you props for impressing me two games in a row. On February 21 2012 11:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 11:50 redFF wrote: Ace is a cunt and not in this game, stop riding his dick and play. and yet hes better than you in near every way. What does that say about you? On February 21 2012 11:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 11:56 redFF wrote:On February 21 2012 11:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 21 2012 11:50 redFF wrote: Ace is a cunt and not in this game, stop riding his dick and play. and yet hes better than you in near every way. What does that say about you? him being a cunt has nothing to do with his skill at mafia. I was more referencing the fact your behaving worse than he normally does (he is better than you). As you are being a total douche canoe yet don't carry the level of skill or better than him I was referencing that you were deserving of a far lower and baser title. I am free to let others pick for you as I simply switch to different and more entertaining terms. Now, shall we play instead of focusing on how fun it is that you play in the shallow end of the sandbox all alone.
This is BC being mad, unhelpful, and criticising the discussion without legitimately helping or doing anything. This isn't very BC-like and isn't really helping the town at all.
Then he's actually kinda noncomittal on redFF: + Show Spoiler +On February 21 2012 12:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 21 2012 11:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 21 2012 11:42 Jackal58 wrote: Dear redFF and WBG You both suck. Sincerely, Jackal58 I endorse this statement fully and from the bottom of my heart I thank you for letting me know I am not insane. Why are we debating Policy lynches this early into the day? Seriously? This isn't a game with a player like 2010 bill murray who spams while being a dick, this isn't a game with a mod hating spammer named showtime. Instead we have for the most part a fairly solid crew devoid of spammy trolls. If you want to lynch someone for being bad, wait till they start being bad / scumlike, dont lynch them for shits and giggles. Policy lynching people on retarded reasoning is worse than RNG votes for early discussion. Cut the nonsense out. Anyone who keeps talking about it from this post on be warned. as a side note, VE since you are making moderate sense for the first time ever I have to give you props for impressing me two games in a row. /salute What are your thoughts on redFF BC? I'm almost convinced that he's just bad and not scum, but I'd like your thoughts before I act on it. Honestly I think he may be suffering from something like a bat to the back of the head. That or a level of arrogance unseen since showtime. As it stands now short of recommending a terrible idea and being a retarded troll (which is a smiteworthy offense if he keeps it up) I see him more as someone to mock / ignore than take seriously. I know I am moderately guilty of this via my last few posts, however anyone continuing the trend of useless discussion / just trading insults with redff are most likely not playing with town interests in heart. There are a few players already guilty of this obviously. I am currently more intrigued at the people who have let policy discussion run so damn rampant for even this short a duration of a game who (in my mind) should know better. This is actually a worthless post. "He's being bad, mocking poeple, but so am I, there are a few players like this, oh hey look a policy discussion" On February 21 2012 12:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 12:06 redFF wrote: Actually bc I'm kind of pissed you're calling me the troll when any personal flaming/animosity started with wbg's first posts of the game, everything I've said has been a response to that. Before that I was being perfectly civil, maybe bad and stupid, but not a dick. Trolls aren't always flaming asshats. I find that the way you continued talking about policy lynching troll like. The continuing of posts between you and wbg (screams troll from both of you) is bad. I am moderately guilty as well, but as someone who has played with ace for years and as he is not in this game it is moderately disrespectful to trash him. You also said things I viewed as bad Pushing what I will view as bad agendas or bad forms of play is something I near always comment on. The kettle and the pot calling each other black
On February 21 2012 12:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 21 2012 12:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 21 2012 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 21 2012 11:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 21 2012 11:42 Jackal58 wrote: Dear redFF and WBG You both suck. Sincerely, Jackal58 I endorse this statement fully and from the bottom of my heart I thank you for letting me know I am not insane. Why are we debating Policy lynches this early into the day? Seriously? This isn't a game with a player like 2010 bill murray who spams while being a dick, this isn't a game with a mod hating spammer named showtime. Instead we have for the most part a fairly solid crew devoid of spammy trolls. If you want to lynch someone for being bad, wait till they start being bad / scumlike, dont lynch them for shits and giggles. Policy lynching people on retarded reasoning is worse than RNG votes for early discussion. Cut the nonsense out. Anyone who keeps talking about it from this post on be warned. as a side note, VE since you are making moderate sense for the first time ever I have to give you props for impressing me two games in a row. /salute What are your thoughts on redFF BC? I'm almost convinced that he's just bad and not scum, but I'd like your thoughts before I act on it. Honestly I think he may be suffering from something like a bat to the back of the head. That or a level of arrogance unseen since showtime. As it stands now short of recommending a terrible idea and being a retarded troll (which is a smiteworthy offense if he keeps it up) I see him more as someone to mock / ignore than take seriously. I know I am moderately guilty of this via my last few posts, however anyone continuing the trend of useless discussion / just trading insults with redff are most likely not playing with town interests in heart. There are a few players already guilty of this obviously. I am currently more intrigued at the people who have let policy discussion run so damn rampant for even this short a duration of a game who (in my mind) should know better. Come on guy....COME ON. You know what I'm asking. Do you think he's scum? Also, I thought we were well beyond policy-discussion - I've put forth a scum-candidate and several people have joined the wagon (with little to no reasoning)....and some (and by some I mean WBG) have even gone on to defend him - citing meta resources that point to badTownRedFF. I mean, did you miss all this in reading? Why are you trying to color this all as policy discussion? What's up yo? its what? 5 hours into the day? I would like to believe redff isn't this horrendous as scum to be caught this quickly. However that is wifom with someone of his experience. The only read I have on him as of now is Bad. Bad town or bad mafia. Hell, I think chaoser is also bad for defending posting town reads as a viable move at this stage in the game. It is only at all useful if people are posting clear scum reads along with clear town reads to make them fully accountable rather than "contributing" without doing much. As for coloring it up to policy discussion, the main point you first raised (I will re-read to see what your entire argument is in exact detail so i stress the first point i saw) was his push on tyrran via policy of being bad. Factor in the mass level of general annoyance with him via his recent behaviour outside of game it is not outside the realms of possibility people are "policy" pushing him based on him being a total wad.
This is actually semi reasonable but it's an important thing to note to contrast with his next post:
On February 22 2012 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why did I subject myself to read this fucking nonsense. Do I have to say this? Role does not equal alignment. Redff claiming his role in hopes to confirm his alignment is horseshit. In an unknown setup and him claiming that there may be multi target abilities the chances of mafia having a role to find said abilities is just as within reason as the town.
He then states that if he is roleblocked to lynch him, but says its not optimal to lynch claimed blues? Contradiction and sounds like hes just finding any reason to stay alive.
This level of play is so insanely bad that it makes me sad. He knows all this and yet still does the play to create a total shit fest of a thread and does not in anyway create a pro town environment.
As for syllo.
Get off my nuts. 5 hours is never enough information to actually commit to a read especially given my horrible ability to differentiate between bad play and bad scum. Find other straw men to go burn.
##vote redff
Now let's take a look at where we are so far
1) BC hasn't analyzed dick all game 2) redFF claims tracker 3) this causes BC to say "well before the claim he seemed iffy, but claiming tracker means he could be a scum-aligned tracker? maybe there are multiple trackers!"
This is possibly the worst reason to get on the redFF wagon I could think of.
He then continues to defend himself not with reason but with rage and incoherences, since there's no real reason for his defense. He claims that there's nothing you can really do day 1 in a closed setup, and generally makes excuses.
As he avoids the noose, and here's what he promises:
On February 23 2012 06:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's fine then. Can I expect to see some contribution beyond criticism from you on Day 2, BC?
I'm pretty sure prplhz is scum and I'll make my case on him tonight in case I die. RedFF seems likely as well, but we'll see when the flip happens. BC has responded fairly well to the pressure as far as explaining himself in my opinion, all that's lacking is for him to make some positive play or follow through with his criticisms by scumhunting on the second day.
correct.
And yet here we are, over a day later. Was BC so sure he wouldn't die overnight? Will we see anything at all useful from him today?
I don't think there's anything valuable coming out of BC because he's trying to be unvaluable. His attacks were shoddy, his vote on redFF was antireasoned (he provided a reason that was literally bad), and his defense was empty and hollow.
And here we are, greeted by crushing silence from him.
What's the deal, BC?
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler
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Blazinghand
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On February 24 2012 08:46 VisceraEyes wrote:Here's a good neutral topic we can at least have a conversation about. I think Blazinghand is scum and his vote on BloodyC0bbler serves as a.....fuck, I don't know, like an ANTI-lightning rod. I think it serves to remove credibility from the wagon by his sheer presence, repulsing votes. I think this was planned. What do you think about Blazinghand?
If you think that's the case, then join me and lynch BC. My case is reasonable. Maybe you think I played scummy D1, but my case is fundamentally reasonable and it cannot be denied.
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Blazinghand
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On February 24 2012 08:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 08:50 Blazinghand wrote:On February 24 2012 08:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 08:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Good idea. Here's a good neutral topic we can at least have a conversation about. I think Blazinghand is scum and his vote on BloodyC0bbler serves as a.....fuck, I don't know, like an ANTI-lightning rod. I think it serves to remove credibility from the wagon by his sheer presence, repulsing votes. I think this was planned. What do you think about Blazinghand? If you think that's the case, then join me and lynch BC. My case is reasonable. Maybe you think I played scummy D1, but my case is fundamentally reasonable and it cannot be denied. Your case is nothing that hasn't already been said BH. I'm giving BC a chance to manipulate me (or try). Hold your horses. He's still on my list sir.
Well, believe it or not I am rather comfortable changing my vote if I should later determine him to be a town player. For now my vote is on the player who I believe is scum.
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Blazinghand
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On February 24 2012 08:56 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 08:54 Blazinghand wrote:On February 24 2012 08:52 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 08:50 Blazinghand wrote:On February 24 2012 08:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 08:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Good idea. Here's a good neutral topic we can at least have a conversation about. I think Blazinghand is scum and his vote on BloodyC0bbler serves as a.....fuck, I don't know, like an ANTI-lightning rod. I think it serves to remove credibility from the wagon by his sheer presence, repulsing votes. I think this was planned. What do you think about Blazinghand? If you think that's the case, then join me and lynch BC. My case is reasonable. Maybe you think I played scummy D1, but my case is fundamentally reasonable and it cannot be denied. Your case is nothing that hasn't already been said BH. I'm giving BC a chance to manipulate me (or try). Hold your horses. He's still on my list sir. Well, believe it or not I am rather comfortable changing my vote if I should later determine him to be a town player. For now my vote is on the player who I believe is scum. Oh, I believe it - your buddy was actually in danger of dying yesterday, you had to do something right?. XD
Who was my vote on at the end of the day
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Blazinghand
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On February 24 2012 09:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:On February 24 2012 08:56 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 08:54 Blazinghand wrote:On February 24 2012 08:52 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 08:50 Blazinghand wrote:On February 24 2012 08:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 08:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Good idea. Here's a good neutral topic we can at least have a conversation about. I think Blazinghand is scum and his vote on BloodyC0bbler serves as a.....fuck, I don't know, like an ANTI-lightning rod. I think it serves to remove credibility from the wagon by his sheer presence, repulsing votes. I think this was planned. What do you think about Blazinghand? If you think that's the case, then join me and lynch BC. My case is reasonable. Maybe you think I played scummy D1, but my case is fundamentally reasonable and it cannot be denied. Your case is nothing that hasn't already been said BH. I'm giving BC a chance to manipulate me (or try). Hold your horses. He's still on my list sir. Well, believe it or not I am rather comfortable changing my vote if I should later determine him to be a town player. For now my vote is on the player who I believe is scum. Oh, I believe it - your buddy was actually in danger of dying yesterday, you had to do something right?. XD Who was my vote on at the end of the day The guy who didn't die. So shut the fuck up about it.
well then I didn't really "save my buddy" unless I was saving him by voting for him right
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Blazinghand
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Why are you asking yourself a question
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Blazinghand
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On February 24 2012 09:06 VisceraEyes wrote: I responded to your question with the quote, and asked you a question.
Why are you playing like a retard? I know you're better than this Blaze. I played with you as town before, I know you're capable of more. I know you're fucking scum Blaze, why are you pushing me?
Wat where am I pushing you >.>
I'm pretty sure you're pushing me and I'm pushing BC lol
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Blazinghand
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On February 24 2012 09:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 09:36 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote: ##unvote bloodyc0bbler Well, that didn't take much. I appreciate the effort BC. If your quality of posting stays at least close to the quality of your last post, I can entertain the possibility of lynching others first. What are your thoughts on WBG BC? at the moment an aggressive asshat who needs to shape up or ship out.
From what I gather he's always an aggressive asshat
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Blazinghand
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On February 24 2012 09:54 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 09:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 24 2012 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 09:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 24 2012 09:36 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote: ##unvote bloodyc0bbler Well, that didn't take much. I appreciate the effort BC. If your quality of posting stays at least close to the quality of your last post, I can entertain the possibility of lynching others first. What are your thoughts on WBG BC? at the moment an aggressive asshat who needs to shape up or ship out. By your estimation, how much "aggressive asshattery" is it going to take before he's no longer able to "shape up" enough and has to be "shipped out"? That's a really really wishywashy stance on someone who's active when you're largest gripe with RoL is his inactivity sir. RoL's biggest tell in near all games as red that I can recall is his activity level. He lurks and will bust out excuses as to why he was inactive but always appears when he has to (called out or to avoid being heavily suspected, etc..) whereas town he even when busy with life shite always has quality posts if inactive. As for how much it will take for wbg is similar to what I would expect what it will take for myself or RoL. IE contribute. I am overall fine with aggressive posting but aside from a few of his posts he has come off as someone attempting to avoid leaving a huge mark on the thread in solid opinions. He obviously has had some solid posts, but he has a ton of fluff ones as well. I agree with you assessment of RoL
In Purgatory that is how he played as well (as scum).
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Blazinghand
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I don't like risk.nuke. He did nothing but make some vague complaints about redFF, then nakedly voted BC with no explanation, and when questioned, was like:
On February 23 2012 06:46 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:42 Dirkzor wrote: 15 min to lynch.
Risk you are around?!? Any thought instead of just voting BC?! Yeah I don't want to lynch redFF, just got home. So I threw my vote on BC because I like syllo.
And has since disappeared from the thread. He's probably hanging out with his scumteam being like "hey guys check out this mad lurking skill" and lurking.
##vote: risk.nuke
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Blazinghand
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On February 24 2012 10:07 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 10:07 Blazinghand wrote:I don't like risk.nuke. He did nothing but make some vague complaints about redFF, then nakedly voted BC with no explanation, and when questioned, was like: On February 23 2012 06:46 risk.nuke wrote:On February 23 2012 06:42 Dirkzor wrote: 15 min to lynch.
Risk you are around?!? Any thought instead of just voting BC?! Yeah I don't want to lynch redFF, just got home. So I threw my vote on BC because I like syllo. And has since disappeared from the thread. He's probably hanging out with his scumteam being like "hey guys check out this mad lurking skill" and lurking. ##vote: risk.nuke and I don't like that you don't like him because I don't like him either ] If that's the case, then make your own read and judge this indepently for yourself. I think he's scum and am voting him, and would like you to do so as well-- but if you don't think he's scum simply because you are suspicious of me, try to just do an objective analysis of him and see what you think
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Blazinghand
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On February 24 2012 10:08 wherebugsgo wrote: oh look now he votes some random ass lurker who has next to no chance of actually getting lynched. 0 response to my vote on him and 0 response to what BC asked. It's like he just wants to move on and avoid the pressure.
Anyone seeing a pattern here? Solution = kill Blazinghand.
Your vote merits no response. Your case is crap, like your play in general this game. risk.nuke will not be the first lurker I have succesfully lynched. Check him out. Do you really think he deserves to live?
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Blazinghand
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On February 24 2012 10:10 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 10:09 Blazinghand wrote:On February 24 2012 10:07 Toadesstern wrote:On February 24 2012 10:07 Blazinghand wrote:I don't like risk.nuke. He did nothing but make some vague complaints about redFF, then nakedly voted BC with no explanation, and when questioned, was like: On February 23 2012 06:46 risk.nuke wrote:On February 23 2012 06:42 Dirkzor wrote: 15 min to lynch.
Risk you are around?!? Any thought instead of just voting BC?! Yeah I don't want to lynch redFF, just got home. So I threw my vote on BC because I like syllo. And has since disappeared from the thread. He's probably hanging out with his scumteam being like "hey guys check out this mad lurking skill" and lurking. ##vote: risk.nuke and I don't like that you don't like him because I don't like him either ] If that's the case, then make your own read and judge this indepently for yourself. I think he's scum and am voting him, and would like you to do so as well-- but if you don't think he's scum simply because you are suspicious of me, try to just do an objective analysis of him and see what you think what the fuck YOU CALLED OUT RISK NUKE BASED ON THE POST BC QUOTED LOL WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS How can you call someone out and tell them to make an original case when you basically just sheeped someone else?
is my analysis wrong
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Blazinghand
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To be fair I also called out BC today dude
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Blazinghand
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On February 24 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 13:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 24 2012 13:50 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 13:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
running theme = anyone who calls me scum when I'm town I call atrocious town (even if they don't really deserve it all the time like prpl LOL)
You realize how counter-productive that is right? I mean, OMGUS is one of the leading causes of mislynches. Ask any scientist. calling them bad usually doesn't equate to calling them scum. it's a great way to poke people into reacting certain ways.I remember I did it to prpl in PYP:I on day 1 and I basically caught him as scum instantly. But the lucky bastard claimed something in PMs that left him alive till the last day. I did the exact same thing to chaoser that same game and then harassed him in PMs for a good 4-5 hours. His reaction was almost identical, oddly enough. I get the tactic, but it's annoying as piss and makes people trying to rationally find scum wade through this shit and wonder if you're being manipulative scum or just an asshole townie. And you've been defending BC. Like WHY THE FUCK bugs? And what about syllo's play is reading scum to you? These are the things I'm having difficulty reconciling.
We should just lynch risk and/or BC. Or risk.
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 03:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 03:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 25 2012 03:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I never try to make predictions in closed set ups, I always get it wrong and look like an idiot. RoL still hasn't pointed out why redFF is scum other than the fact that he claimed tracker, which is a terrible reason.
VE, how do you expect me to behave toward someone I believe is mafia? You don't have to be a dick. I think Blazinghand is mafia, do you see me repeatedly calling his posts worthless or shitty or whatever the fuck? No. Because I want Blazinghand to enjoy the game IN SPITE of being on the opposite team as him. But you know, I wouldn't expect you to think that way. Just leave me alone Doc. Your posts being fluffy and useless are part of my case. I don't care how upset it makes you.
If your case is based on my posting being shitty/worthless then you should say so. I think it's entirely unreasonable to make a case on someone who's posting shittily and not say he's posting shittily.
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 03:59 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 03:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 25 2012 03:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 25 2012 03:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I never try to make predictions in closed set ups, I always get it wrong and look like an idiot. RoL still hasn't pointed out why redFF is scum other than the fact that he claimed tracker, which is a terrible reason.
VE, how do you expect me to behave toward someone I believe is mafia? You don't have to be a dick. I think Blazinghand is mafia, do you see me repeatedly calling his posts worthless or shitty or whatever the fuck? No. Because I want Blazinghand to enjoy the game IN SPITE of being on the opposite team as him. But you know, I wouldn't expect you to think that way. Just leave me alone Doc. Your posts being fluffy and useless are part of my case. I don't care how upset it makes you. If your case is based on my posting being shitty/worthless then you should say so. I think it's entirely unreasonable to make a case on someone who's posting shittily and not say he's posting shittily.
And unless your win condition is "Blazinghand has fun" you're probably doing it wrong
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 04:08 VisceraEyes wrote: My case on you BH is based almost solely on meta and I've said this. You're clearly not looking for scum, you're just hopping on bandwagons started by veterans because in your experience those are the bandwagons that end up being successful. It's transparant as hell and it's why I want you to hang.
But as a side-note, your posts ARE useless, but because I don't find that indicative of alignment, merely of skill, I've left that out.
Alright, well consider then my vote on BC both at the end of the lynch yesterday and after the start of the day today. Surely if I were going to hide, I'd hide in a successful wagon?
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 04:16 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:10 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 04:08 VisceraEyes wrote: My case on you BH is based almost solely on meta and I've said this. You're clearly not looking for scum, you're just hopping on bandwagons started by veterans because in your experience those are the bandwagons that end up being successful. It's transparant as hell and it's why I want you to hang.
But as a side-note, your posts ARE useless, but because I don't find that indicative of alignment, merely of skill, I've left that out. Alright, well consider then my vote on BC both at the end of the lynch yesterday and after the start of the day today. Surely if I were going to hide, I'd hide in a successful wagon? I really don't understand how your filter has 7 pages and not one post in there is worth anything. You're not scum hunting, you're not defending yourself, you're not...doing anything. This is a great way to either get ignored or lynched. The former is great for scum and the latter is great for...village idiot. Personally I don't find village idiot likely, seeing as I've never seen a game on this forum with one in the game. However, how else is anyone supposed to explain your play?
If I can't convince you, I can't convince you. Okay look my play has been somewhat sub-optimal so far. That's a fair assessment. I still have plenty of time alive, so I'll develop cases and contribute analysis, and try to not get lynched.
On February 24 2012 19:10 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 10:07 Blazinghand wrote:I don't like risk.nuke. He did nothing but make some vague complaints about redFF, then nakedly voted BC with no explanation, and when questioned, was like: On February 23 2012 06:46 risk.nuke wrote:On February 23 2012 06:42 Dirkzor wrote: 15 min to lynch.
Risk you are around?!? Any thought instead of just voting BC?! Yeah I don't want to lynch redFF, just got home. So I threw my vote on BC because I like syllo. And has since disappeared from the thread. He's probably hanging out with his scumteam being like "hey guys check out this mad lurking skill" and lurking. ##vote: risk.nuke You're all still dumb for killing redFF, you don't kill a person who claims tracker. If he were town scum would either have to kill him and we wouldn't need to waste a lynch or let him live in the hopes that we will kill him out of suspicion but also leaves the risk of him finding scum. If he were scum we would had lynched him soon out of suspicion anyway.
This is risk.nuke breezing by the thread to make a worthless post, then dispensary again.
This is the only post he has made since getting a vote on him. I don't believe this to be a pro-town behavior. A town player would try to help figure things out, I dunno, ANY TIME, or at least comment on what's going on. Risk is not doing any of this. He hasn't done it before my post, and given that this is what he has contributed after my post, I highly recommend the rest of you stop by his filter and take a look at what he's done useful.
Hint: It's nothing and we should lynch him.
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 04:31 syllogism wrote: Blazing so any thoughts on RoL yet? Remember when I asked that last night and you said you were reading his filter but never actually said what you thought about it
Oh good question I'll go take a look. I ended up going to bed instead lol
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Blazinghand
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So it looks like RoL is lurking to me. In Purgatory Mafia he did the same thing and he was scum (a few IRL days in, though, he suggested some horrible mass claim plan that made it pretty clear).
He has a few posts that are less lurkey:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426¤tpage=25#498
But no major reads, which I find scummy. He also is making posts like this:
On February 24 2012 16:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Hey guys, sorry about inactivity today I just got home. I will be on tomorrow around 6pm EST from work and will post my case then.
This seems like typical lurkin behavior, and attempting to generally dodge and be unhelpful.
He does come to his own defense, but it's all meta ._.
On February 25 2012 01:30 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 16:34 syllogism wrote:WBG seems fine to me so far. RoL on the other hand has done no scum hunting at all and basically voted for redff because he claimed tracker. Dr.H's case here makes a lot of sense. He also seemed fine with BC lynch which is ok, but he didn't add any reasons of his own other than just stating "I'd rather get him out of my head". What? I'm also not letting him get away with inactivity day after day as happened in Purgatory. That case better be amazing RoL and I don't want opinions just on one player ##vote Rebirthoflegendrisk.nuke any thoughts on anyone at all? You still aren't playing the game despite getting called out. The few posts you have have basically no content. I've only very vague and weak reasons for believing that you might be town, but if you don't start posting content soon, that will change. You do remember you called me scum the entire game for being inactive day 1, even though I was active rest of the game? Then now you are mad because I was active day 1, but was busy part of day two? This wreaks of inconsistency, just saying dude.
This is his only case:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 25 2012 01:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Forgive me if this is a bit brief, but I have to head to work soon, but I will be back around 6. Helvetica is scum, not really going to preface this but I will show the posts specifically and demonstrate my points. Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 23 2012 02:43 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On February 23 2012 02:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 23 2012 02:22 Jitsu wrote:On February 22 2012 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 22 2012 11:44 Jitsu wrote: I wouldn't roll with a BC lynch at the moment. He pretty much said exactly what I was thinking with the "role does not equal alignment." There is no defined set-up information, and it could be plausible that a tracker type would be on the mafia side. No?
Dirkzor v Cool case, brah. Would it be ok to say that chaoser is a red read to you, then? If not, who then?
He made one okay point therefore we shouldn't lynch him? I agree with it too. That doesn't mean anything really. BC is way better than this. He's playing negatively, passively, he's criticizing others for not contributing past the PL discussion but offers nothing to the thread himself. Yeah, RedFF could be faking it and the fact that he hasn't said a role name yet makes me suspect but I feel way stronger about BC with that last post of his now. The fact that I had the same idea is less about me agreeing with it and more about having the same train of thought. Did you read L? Everyone was making the same case about him in L, saying how he was causing more chaos then good, especially with revealing his role. Not comfortable with lynching him at this point. I could get down with a Dirkzor lynch. - non-committal early on, staying out of the spotlight for the most part. - says that chaoser is curious because he is "flippy floppy" - On February 21 2012 18:44 Dirkzor wrote: RedFF's fast unvote of Tyrran was weird after he had pushed and defended his policy lynch so much.
Kita's vote on (policy?) Tyrran while attacking Toad for defending Tyrran while attacking RedFF for his history regarding policy lynches and then unvoting Tyrran to vote RedFF is weird. Don't know what I should think about it. I like that you can argue with someone while still having the same opinion but this just looks way to double sided.
I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy... This post makes just about zero sense to me. It's more of the same, with a bit of confusion as well. If I wanted to post something to make it look like a contribution, this would be it. - says he can't wrap his head around this game, then two posts later, claims chaoser as his primary scumread, and adds a [weak] case about how chaoser is scum. - doesn't even vote for chaoser, even though it's his target. Something is up. ##vote Dirkzor No, I'm completely unfamiliar with BC's meta other than a game I played with him as scum too long ago to remember. That game was a perfect victory for us too. Dirkzor has made some alarming posts but also some solid points against other players, I want to hear how he responds to criticism before I consider lynching him because I may just be misunderstanding or misreading him. On February 23 2012 02:26 Blazinghand wrote: I still don't see what the problem is with lynching redFF at this point. He's never gonna get shot by the mafia if he's town just to make us sad, will get RBed or *And I think this is the case* he's just mafia and punched out this tracker claim since he's out of breathing room and will claim RB. So you sheep all game and then say it's okay to lynch town just because "mafia won't shoot him" night 1? How do you know what the mafia will do? WIFOM galore and lynching town is not okay. K, I know you are smarter than this or at the very least functionally literate, so I'm going to give you around 20 minutes to read the last 3 pages of the thread and realize why this isn't some dumb wifom shit, its an obvious end result of RedFF's dipshit scummy claim. It is WIFOM. I agree scum would probably not shoot redFF if he is town AND survives Day 1 considering he's distracting and an easy lynch target, but I don't agree that it's alright to lynch town. redFF's claim is stupid and I'm not sold on it considering he didn't even say a name with it and just dipped out immediately. They should roleblock him but I just don't like making arguments or lynches based on predicting what the mafia will do. I can think of countless times I've been scum and we've concocted to do the opposite of what town would expect, even make bad shots just to confuse people. Mafia is not a game played by machines that make the most efficient decisions and even if what he said is likely correct, it is not helpful. This post is scummy. Seriously, I can't stress this enough. The logic isn't congruent. Predicting scum behavior can be hard sometimes, but this is honestly one of the most straightforward uses of it. We know scum most likely has a RBer, or at the very least we are assuming that. When someone claims Day 1 so they don't die they intend to use their power to prove their claim, or that's the idea. As scum, you can claim must of been roleblock, but even if he's town then scum most definitely will roleblock him because we are forced to deal with RedFF giving no evidence to his innocence through role usage and holding off a claim that never actualizes. What? The mafia is going to mind fuck us by confirming a tracker....? I can't imagine any circumstance where they would let that happen. It's bullshit. Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 09:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I didn't sheep anybody. I made my case on BC well before I even read syllogisms original post. You're connecting points I'm making in specific reference to other peoples posts to unrelated ideas. I was trying to illustrate that the wagon forming quickly doesn't mean much. The scum don't need to defend redFF if they can get somebody else lynched.
I don't think my posts are wishy washy. I wasn't yelling in the thread for one person to get lynched over any other, but that can't really be defined as wishy washiness. I wasn't planning on rebutting the case on redFF because I never ever thought it needed to be rebutted. I voted for redFF in the end. I moved my vote to BC to put pressure on him and make sure he stays active in the thread, his responses satisfied me enough that I wanted to stick with my original convictions and give BC Day 2 to prove himself. Needless to say I'll be keeping a close eye on him.
Calling BC the alternative lynch is a non-point since his flip, or lack thereof, was inconclusive. You don't know whether or not he is scum, unless you are scum, so implying that it is a defensive alternative makes no sense as town especially considering redFF is the person I voted for.
I never called RedFF not scum. I never called him 100% scum. I said very clearly RedFF is likely scum or terrible town but his claim is poorly done and seems defensive. I was more than okay with the RedFF lynch, which seemed so likely to go through at the time I switched to BC to pressure another player I was suspicious of. Seeing as RedFF has been AWOL during this entire period, I feel I made the right choice. If I didn't think RedFF was very suspect, I would have been far more vocal in trying to get people to join a BC bandwagon but you will notice I did no such thing as far as I can recall anyway. That's as much as I'll say in the interest of defending myself.
This redFF "flip", or whatever it is, is inconclusive and I don't feel it necessary to comment on it further. I'll read filters when I have the time. This is the second thing that really stood out to me. He's soft defending RedFF by trying to switch over to BC last minute while still saying he thinks RedFF is still possibly scum. If you think he's scum then why switch to BC? It doesn't make sense, then when the town decides on RedFF he marches right back over flip flopping. The first post I used and his behavior around the end of day 1 were both suspicious with the blatantly poor logic to defend redff, and the flipflopping BC/RedFF towards the end of Day 1. Day 1 DrH also barely did anything and posts a whole bunch of filler, but that can be said of most people. Its what his real activities goals were namely, soft defending RedFF without trying to make it obvious when there is one reason to try to mask who you are defending. Anyway, I had these reads since day 1. I skimmed the thread from day 2, but I will try to post more when I get back later. This two were some of the biggest scum reads I had day 1. So yeah, ##Vote DoctorHelvetica
and only after he was attacked. It strikes me as BS. He's lurking, but not as bad as Risk imo. If he doesn't shape up during this day I'd be comfortable going after him. At least he's made some statements that he can be held to.
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On February 25 2012 04:36 syllogism wrote: Was it a power nap because you said that at 06:13 (KR forum time) and kept posting until at least 10:19
Yeah well go eat a dick asshole
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EBWOP: Yeah, well go eat a dick, asshole.
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On February 25 2012 04:39 layabout wrote: vote Blazinghand On balance he looks worse than VE. Today VE has put in some semblance of an effort to find scum, BH has done anything but.
A) you're wrong about VE, I think he's doing a fair job this game B) why don't we lynch scum instead of me, like Risk
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On February 25 2012 04:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:39 layabout wrote: vote Blazinghand On balance he looks worse than VE. Today VE has put in some semblance of an effort to find scum, BH has done anything but. the funny thing is BH has actually done pretty much the same amount it's just kinda lost in the spam
IF you want to find my useful posts, just skim my filter and look for posts longer than 1-2 lines, usually containing several quotes and spoilers. You'll find that I have actually done stuff other than 1-liners.
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On February 25 2012 04:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:42 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 04:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 25 2012 04:39 layabout wrote: vote Blazinghand On balance he looks worse than VE. Today VE has put in some semblance of an effort to find scum, BH has done anything but. the funny thing is BH has actually done pretty much the same amount it's just kinda lost in the spam IF you want to find my useful posts, just skim my filter and look for posts longer than 1-2 lines, usually containing several quotes and spoilers. You'll find that I have actually done stuff other than 1-liners. that's my point you and VE both made a case tonight the difference being that VE's came right after i posted a case on WBG that i originally didn't even want to post because i felt like I was cluttering too much and he spent a lot of time announcing he was gonna do it first you actually look better in that case overall you are the most useless player in this thread and the one who is hurting town most
I would rather not hurt town. I'm gonna go examine Tyrran and Jitsu's filters and see if there's anything worth analyzing there. I hope it helps
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Jitsu: I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting.
Tyrran: After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification.
Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said.
;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game
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On February 25 2012 06:00 wherebugsgo wrote:+1 still no thoughts on RoL, BH?
Go sit on a carrot
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On February 25 2012 06:37 kitaman27 wrote:You aren't going to make me read through his filter are you? I think one of the reasons nobody looked at jayjay in arkham was because his filter was too long as well -_-
A town move would be to actually read my filter, or at least read other people's cases against me, and determine what you think about it.
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On February 25 2012 06:04 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:36 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 04:36 syllogism wrote: Was it a power nap because you said that at 06:13 (KR forum time) and kept posting until at least 10:19 Yeah well go eat a dick asshole lol
On a more serious note, I had a midterm earlier today and during that time I was studying and intermittently posting. I didn't want to invest time into reading a filter and posting a read. This is something I have done in the meantime, and you can find it here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426¤tpage=55#1084 + Show Spoiler +On February 25 2012 04:36 Blazinghand wrote:So it looks like RoL is lurking to me. In Purgatory Mafia he did the same thing and he was scum (a few IRL days in, though, he suggested some horrible mass claim plan that made it pretty clear). He has a few posts that are less lurkey: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426¤tpage=25#498But no major reads, which I find scummy. He also is making posts like this: Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 16:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Hey guys, sorry about inactivity today I just got home. I will be on tomorrow around 6pm EST from work and will post my case then. This seems like typical lurkin behavior, and attempting to generally dodge and be unhelpful. He does come to his own defense, but it's all meta ._. Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 01:30 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On February 24 2012 16:34 syllogism wrote:WBG seems fine to me so far. RoL on the other hand has done no scum hunting at all and basically voted for redff because he claimed tracker. Dr.H's case here makes a lot of sense. He also seemed fine with BC lynch which is ok, but he didn't add any reasons of his own other than just stating "I'd rather get him out of my head". What? I'm also not letting him get away with inactivity day after day as happened in Purgatory. That case better be amazing RoL and I don't want opinions just on one player ##vote Rebirthoflegendrisk.nuke any thoughts on anyone at all? You still aren't playing the game despite getting called out. The few posts you have have basically no content. I've only very vague and weak reasons for believing that you might be town, but if you don't start posting content soon, that will change. You do remember you called me scum the entire game for being inactive day 1, even though I was active rest of the game? Then now you are mad because I was active day 1, but was busy part of day two? This wreaks of inconsistency, just saying dude. This is his only case: + Show Spoiler +On February 25 2012 01:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Forgive me if this is a bit brief, but I have to head to work soon, but I will be back around 6. Helvetica is scum, not really going to preface this but I will show the posts specifically and demonstrate my points. Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 23 2012 02:43 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On February 23 2012 02:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 23 2012 02:22 Jitsu wrote:On February 22 2012 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 22 2012 11:44 Jitsu wrote: I wouldn't roll with a BC lynch at the moment. He pretty much said exactly what I was thinking with the "role does not equal alignment." There is no defined set-up information, and it could be plausible that a tracker type would be on the mafia side. No?
Dirkzor v Cool case, brah. Would it be ok to say that chaoser is a red read to you, then? If not, who then?
He made one okay point therefore we shouldn't lynch him? I agree with it too. That doesn't mean anything really. BC is way better than this. He's playing negatively, passively, he's criticizing others for not contributing past the PL discussion but offers nothing to the thread himself. Yeah, RedFF could be faking it and the fact that he hasn't said a role name yet makes me suspect but I feel way stronger about BC with that last post of his now. The fact that I had the same idea is less about me agreeing with it and more about having the same train of thought. Did you read L? Everyone was making the same case about him in L, saying how he was causing more chaos then good, especially with revealing his role. Not comfortable with lynching him at this point. I could get down with a Dirkzor lynch. - non-committal early on, staying out of the spotlight for the most part. - says that chaoser is curious because he is "flippy floppy" - On February 21 2012 18:44 Dirkzor wrote: RedFF's fast unvote of Tyrran was weird after he had pushed and defended his policy lynch so much.
Kita's vote on (policy?) Tyrran while attacking Toad for defending Tyrran while attacking RedFF for his history regarding policy lynches and then unvoting Tyrran to vote RedFF is weird. Don't know what I should think about it. I like that you can argue with someone while still having the same opinion but this just looks way to double sided.
I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy... This post makes just about zero sense to me. It's more of the same, with a bit of confusion as well. If I wanted to post something to make it look like a contribution, this would be it. - says he can't wrap his head around this game, then two posts later, claims chaoser as his primary scumread, and adds a [weak] case about how chaoser is scum. - doesn't even vote for chaoser, even though it's his target. Something is up. ##vote Dirkzor No, I'm completely unfamiliar with BC's meta other than a game I played with him as scum too long ago to remember. That game was a perfect victory for us too. Dirkzor has made some alarming posts but also some solid points against other players, I want to hear how he responds to criticism before I consider lynching him because I may just be misunderstanding or misreading him. On February 23 2012 02:26 Blazinghand wrote: I still don't see what the problem is with lynching redFF at this point. He's never gonna get shot by the mafia if he's town just to make us sad, will get RBed or *And I think this is the case* he's just mafia and punched out this tracker claim since he's out of breathing room and will claim RB. So you sheep all game and then say it's okay to lynch town just because "mafia won't shoot him" night 1? How do you know what the mafia will do? WIFOM galore and lynching town is not okay. K, I know you are smarter than this or at the very least functionally literate, so I'm going to give you around 20 minutes to read the last 3 pages of the thread and realize why this isn't some dumb wifom shit, its an obvious end result of RedFF's dipshit scummy claim. It is WIFOM. I agree scum would probably not shoot redFF if he is town AND survives Day 1 considering he's distracting and an easy lynch target, but I don't agree that it's alright to lynch town. redFF's claim is stupid and I'm not sold on it considering he didn't even say a name with it and just dipped out immediately. They should roleblock him but I just don't like making arguments or lynches based on predicting what the mafia will do. I can think of countless times I've been scum and we've concocted to do the opposite of what town would expect, even make bad shots just to confuse people. Mafia is not a game played by machines that make the most efficient decisions and even if what he said is likely correct, it is not helpful. This post is scummy. Seriously, I can't stress this enough. The logic isn't congruent. Predicting scum behavior can be hard sometimes, but this is honestly one of the most straightforward uses of it. We know scum most likely has a RBer, or at the very least we are assuming that. When someone claims Day 1 so they don't die they intend to use their power to prove their claim, or that's the idea. As scum, you can claim must of been roleblock, but even if he's town then scum most definitely will roleblock him because we are forced to deal with RedFF giving no evidence to his innocence through role usage and holding off a claim that never actualizes. What? The mafia is going to mind fuck us by confirming a tracker....? I can't imagine any circumstance where they would let that happen. It's bullshit. Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 09:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I didn't sheep anybody. I made my case on BC well before I even read syllogisms original post. You're connecting points I'm making in specific reference to other peoples posts to unrelated ideas. I was trying to illustrate that the wagon forming quickly doesn't mean much. The scum don't need to defend redFF if they can get somebody else lynched.
I don't think my posts are wishy washy. I wasn't yelling in the thread for one person to get lynched over any other, but that can't really be defined as wishy washiness. I wasn't planning on rebutting the case on redFF because I never ever thought it needed to be rebutted. I voted for redFF in the end. I moved my vote to BC to put pressure on him and make sure he stays active in the thread, his responses satisfied me enough that I wanted to stick with my original convictions and give BC Day 2 to prove himself. Needless to say I'll be keeping a close eye on him.
Calling BC the alternative lynch is a non-point since his flip, or lack thereof, was inconclusive. You don't know whether or not he is scum, unless you are scum, so implying that it is a defensive alternative makes no sense as town especially considering redFF is the person I voted for.
I never called RedFF not scum. I never called him 100% scum. I said very clearly RedFF is likely scum or terrible town but his claim is poorly done and seems defensive. I was more than okay with the RedFF lynch, which seemed so likely to go through at the time I switched to BC to pressure another player I was suspicious of. Seeing as RedFF has been AWOL during this entire period, I feel I made the right choice. If I didn't think RedFF was very suspect, I would have been far more vocal in trying to get people to join a BC bandwagon but you will notice I did no such thing as far as I can recall anyway. That's as much as I'll say in the interest of defending myself.
This redFF "flip", or whatever it is, is inconclusive and I don't feel it necessary to comment on it further. I'll read filters when I have the time. This is the second thing that really stood out to me. He's soft defending RedFF by trying to switch over to BC last minute while still saying he thinks RedFF is still possibly scum. If you think he's scum then why switch to BC? It doesn't make sense, then when the town decides on RedFF he marches right back over flip flopping. The first post I used and his behavior around the end of day 1 were both suspicious with the blatantly poor logic to defend redff, and the flipflopping BC/RedFF towards the end of Day 1. Day 1 DrH also barely did anything and posts a whole bunch of filler, but that can be said of most people. Its what his real activities goals were namely, soft defending RedFF without trying to make it obvious when there is one reason to try to mask who you are defending. Anyway, I had these reads since day 1. I skimmed the thread from day 2, but I will try to post more when I get back later. This two were some of the biggest scum reads I had day 1. So yeah, ##Vote DoctorHelvetica and only after he was attacked. It strikes me as BS. He's lurking, but not as bad as Risk imo. If he doesn't shape up during this day I'd be comfortable going after him. At least he's made some statements that he can be held to.
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On February 25 2012 07:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 06:16 Jitsu wrote: Just got back for the day. Saw a few things that struck out at me.
It seems a lot of this RoL train has to do with his meta of being inactive. I'm not entirely privy to this. That being said, he's another one that is basically sitting back and letting the town attack each other without doing anything groundbreaking to prove his innocence. He comes back after lurking, to post OMGUS reads, then peaces. I haven't read the entirety of his case on DrH yet, only saw that he had posted it, so I will go back and check that out.
Dirkzor is floating somewhere between null and scum to me. I think part of it is confirmation bias, but since DrH has stated a lot of things the same as I have in my first case against him, I feel confident in my read. That, and I have received very little criticism about it, other then the fact that it was [defended?] by Dirkzor.
Risk.nuke. Guy is giving me negative vibes, mannnn.
Guy calls me out Day1 and says he would support my lynch. Doesn't give reasoning other then my Dirkzor case wasn't heartfelt. Laugh Out Loud. Lurks it the fuck up. Then he comes back, and either A) disregards my request to answer me about the above lynch support, or B) isn't reading the thread. To me, and to everyone else, he's acting anti-town. How has anything he has done supported town discussion or behavior?
cool thanks for the summary of what is happening no one cares
I care! Jitsu still playing in a sub-optimal fashion, in stark contrast with his D1 play.
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On February 25 2012 08:23 Jitsu wrote: Except for the part where I said that i'm curious on my Dirkzor read, but you making a case against him affirms my position that I think he is playing scummy.
And that Risk.Nuke needs to step it up, because he is giving me negative vibes.
How is that saying "I have no real thoughts on these players?" Blazinghand starting to discredit me enough to make my thoughts invalid?
Do you think i'm scum?
Look at all this great analysis. I'm not discrediting you, that's you who's doing that. I just wondered where you've been the last couple days.
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On February 25 2012 09:06 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 09:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 25 2012 08:23 Jitsu wrote: Except for the part where I said that i'm curious on my Dirkzor read, but you making a case against him affirms my position that I think he is playing scummy.
And that Risk.Nuke needs to step it up, because he is giving me negative vibes.
How is that saying "I have no real thoughts on these players?" Blazinghand starting to discredit me enough to make my thoughts invalid?
Do you think i'm scum? That's very wishy washy "I don't know really what to think about it and had no confidence in my read but a town player seems to agree so I'm confident now" sounds like scum who is unsure about their agenda hoping for town support Or i'm not very confident in my scum-hunting ability, since I have only 4 games played total. Take you're pick. Also, you didn't answer my question. Do you think i'm mafia?
The Jitsu I saw in the newbie mafia and other games was an aggressive scumhunter, and confident enough in his reads. He didn't afraid of anything, and his response to a criticism was to point to his ample scumhunting record and the excellence of his reads. I don't see any of that this game.
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On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote: And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.
Pretty funny if you ask me.
How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another.
I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this.
This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are.
The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town.
Yet here we are.
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On February 25 2012 09:51 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote: And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.
Pretty funny if you ask me.
How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another. I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town. Yet here we are. I didn't ask "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH." Don't play it up like I am blowing up in you're face. I said, Do you think i'm scum? I asked it for a reason. The "sudden dearth of content and pressure" was due to me being busy most of the morning/afternoon until I got home, after lunch, with my girlfriend. Then I got on to post. I can't help it that there were 6 pages of "conversation" that was generated during that time. If that gives you cause to pressure, so be it. What pressure? This is all in response to one fucking person saying "no one cares" about my post. Totally different from pressure. Again, you are trying to paint me in a negative light. I was responding to why DocH was being an absolute dick for almost no apparent reason, at least to my standards, and was questioning that - it had nothing to do with you until you voiced your unwanted opinion. And even beyond that, if you have a scent of a scum player, are you seriously going to get off the trail? No. The Blazinghand I know wouldn't have "bigger fish to fry." You would go after it. And as for that, I don't like the way you have handled your entire game thus far, and since I like to hold people accountable for their stupid actions. ##vote: Blazinghand
I'm still waiting for a useful post from you. Not surprised by the OMGUS/wagon hop though.
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hey BH I have a question for you. Why is it that you are so suspicious of me yet so far have posted cases on people that I have pushed? Why is it that your cases are all rehashes of other peoples cases? Why is it that you seem to not possess a single original thought of your own in this entire game? Why are you so fing hostile to people who have done nothing but question you on valid reasons?
You appear to be buddying yourself up to me hard core yet stated you think I am mafia. As such you would have no reason to look at the people I point at and then rehash my entire arguments. Not only that but you quote the same posts I used for my case on risk.nuke. It looks scummy as hell then add in your general behaviour now you seem like the best lynch at this moment.
##vote Blazinghand
I'm not your buddy pal
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 10:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hey BH I have a question for you. Why is it that you are so suspicious of me yet so far have posted cases on people that I have pushed? Why is it that your cases are all rehashes of other peoples cases? Why is it that you seem to not possess a single original thought of your own in this entire game? Why are you so fing hostile to people who have done nothing but question you on valid reasons?
You appear to be buddying yourself up to me hard core yet stated you think I am mafia. As such you would have no reason to look at the people I point at and then rehash my entire arguments. Not only that but you quote the same posts I used for my case on risk.nuke. It looks scummy as hell then add in your general behaviour now you seem like the best lynch at this moment.
##vote Blazinghand I'm not your buddy pal Then start thinking of your own cases or your own points to add to cases. You have yet to post anything new or insightful. Possibly something useful you could learn
I highly disagree. I think I rather reasonably called out Jitsu.
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 11:10 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hey BH I have a question for you. Why is it that you are so suspicious of me yet so far have posted cases on people that I have pushed? Why is it that your cases are all rehashes of other peoples cases? Why is it that you seem to not possess a single original thought of your own in this entire game? Why are you so fing hostile to people who have done nothing but question you on valid reasons?
You appear to be buddying yourself up to me hard core yet stated you think I am mafia. As such you would have no reason to look at the people I point at and then rehash my entire arguments. Not only that but you quote the same posts I used for my case on risk.nuke. It looks scummy as hell then add in your general behaviour now you seem like the best lynch at this moment.
##vote Blazinghand I'm not your buddy pal lawl I love watching you contradict yourself over and over even semantically, it's fucking hilarious
This is actually a south park reference
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 11:25 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:23 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 11:10 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 25 2012 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hey BH I have a question for you. Why is it that you are so suspicious of me yet so far have posted cases on people that I have pushed? Why is it that your cases are all rehashes of other peoples cases? Why is it that you seem to not possess a single original thought of your own in this entire game? Why are you so fing hostile to people who have done nothing but question you on valid reasons?
You appear to be buddying yourself up to me hard core yet stated you think I am mafia. As such you would have no reason to look at the people I point at and then rehash my entire arguments. Not only that but you quote the same posts I used for my case on risk.nuke. It looks scummy as hell then add in your general behaviour now you seem like the best lynch at this moment.
##vote Blazinghand I'm not your buddy pal lawl I love watching you contradict yourself over and over even semantically, it's fucking hilarious This is actually a south park reference and as you can tell, I don't care for your spam
sorry ;_;
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 11:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote: Jitsu: I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting.
Tyrran: After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification.
Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said.
;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active. Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake.
I didn't say I pushed a case. Tell me where I said I pushed a case on Jitsu.
Oh, hey, you can't, cause you're misrepping me like a member of congress
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:27 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 11:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote: Jitsu: I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting.
Tyrran: After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification.
Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said.
;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active. Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake. I didn't say I pushed a case. Tell me where I said I pushed a case on Jitsu. Oh, hey, you can't, cause you're misrepping me like a member of congress You actively analyzed his posts and although never made a "case" you were obviously pushing him as a potential scum. However, to use your own words against you. Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote: And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.
Pretty funny if you ask me.
How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another. I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town.Yet here we are. This here is actually a "case" you made yet you deny making a case? So does that mean that as all you have done is rehash peoples arguments and not pushed your own targets and thus not actively hunted scum you have already broken the advice you gave Jitsu? What about all the spam one liners and insults you have recently posted which is also not helpful to town. You are denying making a case, (although I believe you did, making a case even if its only used as suspicion is still a case), and have not been helpful to town at all today, and your "scum hunting" is spotty at best so that would make you a hypocrite and thus must be scum by your own reasoning.
I didn't say I didn't make a case, I said I didn't say I made a case. You said I said I made a case and I said I called him out.
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 11:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:37 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 11:27 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 11:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote: Jitsu: I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting.
Tyrran: After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification.
Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said.
;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active. Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake. I didn't say I pushed a case. Tell me where I said I pushed a case on Jitsu. Oh, hey, you can't, cause you're misrepping me like a member of congress You actively analyzed his posts and although never made a "case" you were obviously pushing him as a potential scum. However, to use your own words against you. On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote: And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.
Pretty funny if you ask me.
How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another. I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town.Yet here we are. This here is actually a "case" you made yet you deny making a case? So does that mean that as all you have done is rehash peoples arguments and not pushed your own targets and thus not actively hunted scum you have already broken the advice you gave Jitsu? What about all the spam one liners and insults you have recently posted which is also not helpful to town. You are denying making a case, (although I believe you did, making a case even if its only used as suspicion is still a case), and have not been helpful to town at all today, and your "scum hunting" is spotty at best so that would make you a hypocrite and thus must be scum by your own reasoning. I didn't say I didn't make a case, I said I didn't say I made a case. You said I said I made a case and I said I called him out. MAKING A CASE IS CALLING HIM OUT YOU DUMB FUCK
Again, I didn't say I didn't make a case, I said I didn't say I made a case. The case wasn't a huge case, but he didn't have a huge filter (post end of D1). It is what it is.
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Blazinghand
United States25546 Posts
On February 25 2012 11:40 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:37 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 11:27 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 11:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote: Jitsu: I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting.
Tyrran: After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification.
Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said.
;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active. Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake. I didn't say I pushed a case. Tell me where I said I pushed a case on Jitsu. Oh, hey, you can't, cause you're misrepping me like a member of congress You actively analyzed his posts and although never made a "case" you were obviously pushing him as a potential scum. However, to use your own words against you. On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote: And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.
Pretty funny if you ask me.
How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another. I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town.Yet here we are. This here is actually a "case" you made yet you deny making a case? So does that mean that as all you have done is rehash peoples arguments and not pushed your own targets and thus not actively hunted scum you have already broken the advice you gave Jitsu? What about all the spam one liners and insults you have recently posted which is also not helpful to town. You are denying making a case, (although I believe you did, making a case even if its only used as suspicion is still a case), and have not been helpful to town at all today, and your "scum hunting" is spotty at best so that would make you a hypocrite and thus must be scum by your own reasoning. I didn't say I didn't make a case, I said I didn't say I made a case. You said I said I made a case and I said I called him out.
I can't sto plaughing omg
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Blazinghand
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Look more concisely: He said I said something and I didn't. The thing he said I said was something I could have said, though.
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Blazinghand
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Wait look so maybe my wording isn't perfect, but I'm definitely not the best lynch today. I've been trying to improve my game and everything you guys ;_;
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Blazinghand
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At least there's someone in the thread acknowledging it's possible I can flip town.
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Blazinghand
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So it's 12 hours to the lynch deadline and as it stands I'm gonna get lynched. I'm also going to be somewhat busy tomorrow around when the vote closes, so this is about as late as it gets for me.
It would be somewhat untowards to be offed without at least claiming. I was hoping I could demonstrate my helpfulness today but it seems my poor day 1 play has destroyed my ability to do so.
In any case, gentlemen, here's what I got:
I am a blue with a passive role.
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Blazinghand
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Would it help if i was more specific about my role and had a crumb?
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Blazinghand
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Also certain aspects of my role relate to how i played at the end of d1
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Blazinghand
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Alright so my role is that my vote counts as 2 votes.
I crumbed it here:
On February 23 2012 06:46 Blazinghand wrote: I don't claim to know what's gonna happen but like we could use some help on the BC wagon Dirk This at the time that it appeared to be 6-6 with redFF in the lead due to getting a majority first when in fact it was 7-6 in favor of BC.
I moved my vote around because I was trying not to be on the wrong side of a tie broken by "who hit plurality first" and I found both of them lynchworthy. Mafia knowing there's a doublevoter doesn't seem wise.
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Blazinghand
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I'd really prefer we go after someone completely worthless (risk, jitsu) or actively lurking (chaoser) rather than lynching a weak blue role.
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Blazinghand
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So you are utterly unconvinced by my claim, my crumb, and my explanation for my voting actions near the end of D1?
I'm heading to bed fairly soon. I guess at least this will provide some context for who was getting on my wagon when etc when I flip. Hopefully though I won't, since you guys are reasonable.
Any questions/comments/concerns before I sleep?
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Blazinghand
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Well, in that case, I'm going to park my two votes on RoL and hope for the best-- if it's a chance to lot get lynched, I'll take it. I suppose I deserve this for my poor D1 play, but I think I've played acceptably D2, and I think that Risk and Jitsu are being allowed to skate by due to the attention on me.
Good night, and good luck.
Hope to see you all tomorrow.
##vote rebirthoflegend
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Blazinghand
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As an aside, sorry to Toad for the offensive comments. I let my emotions get the best of me ;_;
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Blazinghand
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Hey guys, I'm actually back before the deadline!
1) my ability is always active 2) it doesn't show up in the vote count
3) I shouldn't have moved my vote off Risk. Even though RoL is more likely to be lynched, if I go out I might as well go out with my finger on the trigger.
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Blazinghand
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##unvote ##vote: risk.nuke
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Blazinghand
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Ah yes you're right he's totally in danger of getting lynched.
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Blazinghand
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My play was real bad this game sorry guys ;_;
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