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Blazinghand
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On February 24 2012 10:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
oh look now he votes some random ass lurker who has next to no chance of actually getting lynched. 0 response to my vote on him and 0 response to what BC asked. It's like he just wants to move on and avoid the pressure.
Anyone seeing a pattern here? Solution = kill Blazinghand.
Your vote merits no response. Your case is crap, like your play in general this game. risk.nuke will not be the first lurker I have succesfully lynched. Check him out. Do you really think he deserves to live?
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On February 24 2012 10:10 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 10:09 Blazinghand wrote:On February 24 2012 10:07 Toadesstern wrote:On February 24 2012 10:07 Blazinghand wrote:I don't like risk.nuke. He did nothing but make some vague complaints about redFF, then nakedly voted BC with no explanation, and when questioned, was like: On February 23 2012 06:46 risk.nuke wrote:On February 23 2012 06:42 Dirkzor wrote:
15 min to lynch.
Risk you are around?!? Any thought instead of just voting BC?! Yeah I don't want to lynch redFF, just got home. So I threw my vote on BC because I like syllo. And has since disappeared from the thread. He's probably hanging out with his scumteam being like "hey guys check out this mad lurking skill" and lurking. ##vote: risk.nuke and I don't like that you don't like him because I don't like him either  ] If that's the case, then make your own read and judge this indepently for yourself. I think he's scum and am voting him, and would like you to do so as well-- but if you don't think he's scum simply because you are suspicious of me, try to just do an objective analysis of him and see what you think what the fuck YOU CALLED OUT RISK NUKE BASED ON THE POST BC QUOTED LOL WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS How can you call someone out and tell them to make an original case when you basically just sheeped someone else?
is my analysis wrong
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To be fair I also called out BC today dude
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On February 24 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 13:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 24 2012 13:50 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 13:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
running theme = anyone who calls me scum when I'm town I call atrocious town (even if they don't really deserve it all the time like prpl LOL)
You realize how counter-productive that is right? I mean, OMGUS is one of the leading causes of mislynches. Ask any scientist. calling them bad usually doesn't equate to calling them scum. it's a great way to poke people into reacting certain ways.I remember I did it to prpl in PYP:I on day 1 and I basically caught him as scum instantly. But the lucky bastard claimed something in PMs that left him alive till the last day. I did the exact same thing to chaoser that same game and then harassed him in PMs for a good 4-5 hours. His reaction was almost identical, oddly enough. I get the tactic, but it's annoying as piss and makes people trying to rationally find scum wade through this shit and wonder if you're being manipulative scum or just an asshole townie. And you've been defending BC. Like WHY THE FUCK bugs? And what about syllo's play is reading scum to you? These are the things I'm having difficulty reconciling.
We should just lynch risk and/or BC. Or risk.
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On February 25 2012 03:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 03:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 25 2012 03:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I never try to make predictions in closed set ups, I always get it wrong and look like an idiot. RoL still hasn't pointed out why redFF is scum other than the fact that he claimed tracker, which is a terrible reason.
VE, how do you expect me to behave toward someone I believe is mafia? You don't have to be a dick. I think Blazinghand is mafia, do you see me repeatedly calling his posts worthless or shitty or whatever the fuck? No. Because I want Blazinghand to enjoy the game IN SPITE of being on the opposite team as him. But you know, I wouldn't expect you to think that way. Just leave me alone Doc. Your posts being fluffy and useless are part of my case. I don't care how upset it makes you.
If your case is based on my posting being shitty/worthless then you should say so. I think it's entirely unreasonable to make a case on someone who's posting shittily and not say he's posting shittily.
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 03:59 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 03:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 25 2012 03:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 25 2012 03:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I never try to make predictions in closed set ups, I always get it wrong and look like an idiot. RoL still hasn't pointed out why redFF is scum other than the fact that he claimed tracker, which is a terrible reason.
VE, how do you expect me to behave toward someone I believe is mafia? You don't have to be a dick. I think Blazinghand is mafia, do you see me repeatedly calling his posts worthless or shitty or whatever the fuck? No. Because I want Blazinghand to enjoy the game IN SPITE of being on the opposite team as him. But you know, I wouldn't expect you to think that way. Just leave me alone Doc. Your posts being fluffy and useless are part of my case. I don't care how upset it makes you. If your case is based on my posting being shitty/worthless then you should say so. I think it's entirely unreasonable to make a case on someone who's posting shittily and not say he's posting shittily.
And unless your win condition is "Blazinghand has fun" you're probably doing it wrong
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On February 25 2012 04:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
My case on you BH is based almost solely on meta and I've said this. You're clearly not looking for scum, you're just hopping on bandwagons started by veterans because in your experience those are the bandwagons that end up being successful. It's transparant as hell and it's why I want you to hang.
But as a side-note, your posts ARE useless, but because I don't find that indicative of alignment, merely of skill, I've left that out.
Alright, well consider then my vote on BC both at the end of the lynch yesterday and after the start of the day today. Surely if I were going to hide, I'd hide in a successful wagon?
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On February 25 2012 04:16 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:10 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 04:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
My case on you BH is based almost solely on meta and I've said this. You're clearly not looking for scum, you're just hopping on bandwagons started by veterans because in your experience those are the bandwagons that end up being successful. It's transparant as hell and it's why I want you to hang.
But as a side-note, your posts ARE useless, but because I don't find that indicative of alignment, merely of skill, I've left that out. Alright, well consider then my vote on BC both at the end of the lynch yesterday and after the start of the day today. Surely if I were going to hide, I'd hide in a successful wagon? I really don't understand how your filter has 7 pages and not one post in there is worth anything. You're not scum hunting, you're not defending yourself, you're not...doing anything. This is a great way to either get ignored or lynched. The former is great for scum and the latter is great for...village idiot. Personally I don't find village idiot likely, seeing as I've never seen a game on this forum with one in the game. However, how else is anyone supposed to explain your play?
If I can't convince you, I can't convince you. Okay look my play has been somewhat sub-optimal so far. That's a fair assessment. I still have plenty of time alive, so I'll develop cases and contribute analysis, and try to not get lynched.
On February 24 2012 19:10 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 10:07 Blazinghand wrote:I don't like risk.nuke. He did nothing but make some vague complaints about redFF, then nakedly voted BC with no explanation, and when questioned, was like: On February 23 2012 06:46 risk.nuke wrote:On February 23 2012 06:42 Dirkzor wrote:
15 min to lynch.
Risk you are around?!? Any thought instead of just voting BC?! Yeah I don't want to lynch redFF, just got home. So I threw my vote on BC because I like syllo. And has since disappeared from the thread. He's probably hanging out with his scumteam being like "hey guys check out this mad lurking skill" and lurking. ##vote: risk.nuke ![[image loading]](http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/funny-gifs-haha-good-one.gif) You're all still dumb for killing redFF, you don't kill a person who claims tracker. If he were town scum would either have to kill him and we wouldn't need to waste a lynch or let him live in the hopes that we will kill him out of suspicion but also leaves the risk of him finding scum. If he were scum we would had lynched him soon out of suspicion anyway.
This is risk.nuke breezing by the thread to make a worthless post, then dispensary again.
This is the only post he has made since getting a vote on him. I don't believe this to be a pro-town behavior. A town player would try to help figure things out, I dunno, ANY TIME, or at least comment on what's going on. Risk is not doing any of this. He hasn't done it before my post, and given that this is what he has contributed after my post, I highly recommend the rest of you stop by his filter and take a look at what he's done useful.
Hint: It's nothing and we should lynch him.
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On February 25 2012 04:31 syllogism wrote:
Blazing so any thoughts on RoL yet? Remember when I asked that last night and you said you were reading his filter but never actually said what you thought about it
Oh good question I'll go take a look. I ended up going to bed instead lol
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So it looks like RoL is lurking to me. In Purgatory Mafia he did the same thing and he was scum (a few IRL days in, though, he suggested some horrible mass claim plan that made it pretty clear).
He has a few posts that are less lurkey:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426¤tpage=25#498
But no major reads, which I find scummy. He also is making posts like this:
On February 24 2012 16:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Hey guys, sorry about inactivity today I just got home. I will be on tomorrow around 6pm EST from work and will post my case then.
This seems like typical lurkin behavior, and attempting to generally dodge and be unhelpful.
He does come to his own defense, but it's all meta ._.
On February 25 2012 01:30 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 16:34 syllogism wrote:WBG seems fine to me so far. RoL on the other hand has done no scum hunting at all and basically voted for redff because he claimed tracker. Dr.H's case here makes a lot of sense. He also seemed fine with BC lynch which is ok, but he didn't add any reasons of his own other than just stating "I'd rather get him out of my head". What? I'm also not letting him get away with inactivity day after day as happened in Purgatory. That case better be amazing RoL and I don't want opinions just on one player ##vote Rebirthoflegendrisk.nuke any thoughts on anyone at all? You still aren't playing the game despite getting called out. The few posts you have have basically no content. I've only very vague and weak reasons for believing that you might be town, but if you don't start posting content soon, that will change. You do remember you called me scum the entire game for being inactive day 1, even though I was active rest of the game? Then now you are mad because I was active day 1, but was busy part of day two? This wreaks of inconsistency, just saying dude.
This is his only case:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 25 2012 01:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Forgive me if this is a bit brief, but I have to head to work soon, but I will be back around 6. Helvetica is scum, not really going to preface this but I will show the posts specifically and demonstrate my points. Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 23 2012 02:43 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On February 23 2012 02:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 23 2012 02:22 Jitsu wrote:On February 22 2012 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 22 2012 11:44 Jitsu wrote:
I wouldn't roll with a BC lynch at the moment. He pretty much said exactly what I was thinking with the "role does not equal alignment." There is no defined set-up information, and it could be plausible that a tracker type would be on the mafia side. No?
Dirkzor
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Cool case, brah. Would it be ok to say that chaoser is a red read to you, then? If not, who then?
He made one okay point therefore we shouldn't lynch him? I agree with it too. That doesn't mean anything really. BC is way better than this. He's playing negatively, passively, he's criticizing others for not contributing past the PL discussion but offers nothing to the thread himself. Yeah, RedFF could be faking it and the fact that he hasn't said a role name yet makes me suspect but I feel way stronger about BC with that last post of his now. The fact that I had the same idea is less about me agreeing with it and more about having the same train of thought. Did you read L? Everyone was making the same case about him in L, saying how he was causing more chaos then good, especially with revealing his role. Not comfortable with lynching him at this point. I could get down with a Dirkzor lynch. - non-committal early on, staying out of the spotlight for the most part. - says that chaoser is curious because he is "flippy floppy" - On February 21 2012 18:44 Dirkzor wrote:
RedFF's fast unvote of Tyrran was weird after he had pushed and defended his policy lynch so much.
Kita's vote on (policy?) Tyrran while attacking Toad for defending Tyrran while attacking RedFF for his history regarding policy lynches and then unvoting Tyrran to vote RedFF is weird. Don't know what I should think about it. I like that you can argue with someone while still having the same opinion but this just looks way to double sided.
I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy... This post makes just about zero sense to me. It's more of the same, with a bit of confusion as well. If I wanted to post something to make it look like a contribution, this would be it. - says he can't wrap his head around this game, then two posts later, claims chaoser as his primary scumread, and adds a [weak] case about how chaoser is scum. - doesn't even vote for chaoser, even though it's his target. Something is up. ##vote Dirkzor No, I'm completely unfamiliar with BC's meta other than a game I played with him as scum too long ago to remember. That game was a perfect victory for us too. Dirkzor has made some alarming posts but also some solid points against other players, I want to hear how he responds to criticism before I consider lynching him because I may just be misunderstanding or misreading him. On February 23 2012 02:26 Blazinghand wrote:
I still don't see what the problem is with lynching redFF at this point. He's never gonna get shot by the mafia if he's town just to make us sad, will get RBed or *And I think this is the case* he's just mafia and punched out this tracker claim since he's out of breathing room and will claim RB. So you sheep all game and then say it's okay to lynch town just because "mafia won't shoot him" night 1? How do you know what the mafia will do? WIFOM galore and lynching town is not okay. K, I know you are smarter than this or at the very least functionally literate, so I'm going to give you around 20 minutes to read the last 3 pages of the thread and realize why this isn't some dumb wifom shit, its an obvious end result of RedFF's dipshit scummy claim. It is WIFOM. I agree scum would probably not shoot redFF if he is town AND survives Day 1 considering he's distracting and an easy lynch target, but I don't agree that it's alright to lynch town. redFF's claim is stupid and I'm not sold on it considering he didn't even say a name with it and just dipped out immediately. They should roleblock him but I just don't like making arguments or lynches based on predicting what the mafia will do. I can think of countless times I've been scum and we've concocted to do the opposite of what town would expect, even make bad shots just to confuse people. Mafia is not a game played by machines that make the most efficient decisions and even if what he said is likely correct, it is not helpful. This post is scummy. Seriously, I can't stress this enough. The logic isn't congruent. Predicting scum behavior can be hard sometimes, but this is honestly one of the most straightforward uses of it. We know scum most likely has a RBer, or at the very least we are assuming that. When someone claims Day 1 so they don't die they intend to use their power to prove their claim, or that's the idea. As scum, you can claim must of been roleblock, but even if he's town then scum most definitely will roleblock him because we are forced to deal with RedFF giving no evidence to his innocence through role usage and holding off a claim that never actualizes. What? The mafia is going to mind fuck us by confirming a tracker....? I can't imagine any circumstance where they would let that happen. It's bullshit. Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 09:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I didn't sheep anybody. I made my case on BC well before I even read syllogisms original post. You're connecting points I'm making in specific reference to other peoples posts to unrelated ideas. I was trying to illustrate that the wagon forming quickly doesn't mean much. The scum don't need to defend redFF if they can get somebody else lynched.
I don't think my posts are wishy washy. I wasn't yelling in the thread for one person to get lynched over any other, but that can't really be defined as wishy washiness. I wasn't planning on rebutting the case on redFF because I never ever thought it needed to be rebutted. I voted for redFF in the end. I moved my vote to BC to put pressure on him and make sure he stays active in the thread, his responses satisfied me enough that I wanted to stick with my original convictions and give BC Day 2 to prove himself. Needless to say I'll be keeping a close eye on him.
Calling BC the alternative lynch is a non-point since his flip, or lack thereof, was inconclusive. You don't know whether or not he is scum, unless you are scum, so implying that it is a defensive alternative makes no sense as town especially considering redFF is the person I voted for.
I never called RedFF not scum. I never called him 100% scum. I said very clearly RedFF is likely scum or terrible town but his claim is poorly done and seems defensive. I was more than okay with the RedFF lynch, which seemed so likely to go through at the time I switched to BC to pressure another player I was suspicious of. Seeing as RedFF has been AWOL during this entire period, I feel I made the right choice. If I didn't think RedFF was very suspect, I would have been far more vocal in trying to get people to join a BC bandwagon but you will notice I did no such thing as far as I can recall anyway. That's as much as I'll say in the interest of defending myself.
This redFF "flip", or whatever it is, is inconclusive and I don't feel it necessary to comment on it further. I'll read filters when I have the time. This is the second thing that really stood out to me. He's soft defending RedFF by trying to switch over to BC last minute while still saying he thinks RedFF is still possibly scum. If you think he's scum then why switch to BC? It doesn't make sense, then when the town decides on RedFF he marches right back over flip flopping. The first post I used and his behavior around the end of day 1 were both suspicious with the blatantly poor logic to defend redff, and the flipflopping BC/RedFF towards the end of Day 1. Day 1 DrH also barely did anything and posts a whole bunch of filler, but that can be said of most people. Its what his real activities goals were namely, soft defending RedFF without trying to make it obvious when there is one reason to try to mask who you are defending. Anyway, I had these reads since day 1. I skimmed the thread from day 2, but I will try to post more when I get back later. This two were some of the biggest scum reads I had day 1. So yeah, ##Vote DoctorHelvetica
and only after he was attacked. It strikes me as BS. He's lurking, but not as bad as Risk imo. If he doesn't shape up during this day I'd be comfortable going after him. At least he's made some statements that he can be held to.
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 04:36 syllogism wrote:
Was it a power nap because you said that at 06:13 (KR forum time) and kept posting until at least 10:19
Yeah well go eat a dick asshole
User was warned for this post
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Blazinghand
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EBWOP: Yeah, well go eat a dick, asshole.
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On February 25 2012 04:39 layabout wrote:
vote Blazinghand
On balance he looks worse than VE.
Today VE has put in some semblance of an effort to find scum, BH has done anything but.
A) you're wrong about VE, I think he's doing a fair job this game
B) why don't we lynch scum instead of me, like Risk
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On February 25 2012 04:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:39 layabout wrote:
vote Blazinghand
On balance he looks worse than VE.
Today VE has put in some semblance of an effort to find scum, BH has done anything but. the funny thing is BH has actually done pretty much the same amount it's just kinda lost in the spam
IF you want to find my useful posts, just skim my filter and look for posts longer than 1-2 lines, usually containing several quotes and spoilers. You'll find that I have actually done stuff other than 1-liners.
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On February 25 2012 04:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:42 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 04:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 25 2012 04:39 layabout wrote:
vote Blazinghand
On balance he looks worse than VE.
Today VE has put in some semblance of an effort to find scum, BH has done anything but. the funny thing is BH has actually done pretty much the same amount it's just kinda lost in the spam IF you want to find my useful posts, just skim my filter and look for posts longer than 1-2 lines, usually containing several quotes and spoilers. You'll find that I have actually done stuff other than 1-liners. that's my point you and VE both made a case tonight the difference being that VE's came right after i posted a case on WBG that i originally didn't even want to post because i felt like I was cluttering too much and he spent a lot of time announcing he was gonna do it first you actually look better in that case overall you are the most useless player in this thread and the one who is hurting town most
I would rather not hurt town. I'm gonna go examine Tyrran and Jitsu's filters and see if there's anything worth analyzing there. I hope it helps 
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Jitsu:
I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting.
Tyrran:
After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification.
Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said.
;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game
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On February 25 2012 06:00 wherebugsgo wrote:+1 still no thoughts on RoL, BH?
Go sit on a carrot
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On February 25 2012 06:37 kitaman27 wrote:You aren't going to make me read through his filter are you? I think one of the reasons nobody looked at jayjay in arkham was because his filter was too long as well -_-
A town move would be to actually read my filter, or at least read other people's cases against me, and determine what you think about it.
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On February 25 2012 06:04 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:36 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 04:36 syllogism wrote:
Was it a power nap because you said that at 06:13 (KR forum time) and kept posting until at least 10:19 Yeah well go eat a dick asshole lol
On a more serious note, I had a midterm earlier today and during that time I was studying and intermittently posting. I didn't want to invest time into reading a filter and posting a read. This is something I have done in the meantime, and you can find it here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426¤tpage=55#1084
+ Show Spoiler +On February 25 2012 04:36 Blazinghand wrote:So it looks like RoL is lurking to me. In Purgatory Mafia he did the same thing and he was scum (a few IRL days in, though, he suggested some horrible mass claim plan that made it pretty clear). He has a few posts that are less lurkey: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426¤tpage=25#498But no major reads, which I find scummy. He also is making posts like this: Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 16:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Hey guys, sorry about inactivity today I just got home. I will be on tomorrow around 6pm EST from work and will post my case then. This seems like typical lurkin behavior, and attempting to generally dodge and be unhelpful. He does come to his own defense, but it's all meta ._. Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 01:30 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On February 24 2012 16:34 syllogism wrote:WBG seems fine to me so far. RoL on the other hand has done no scum hunting at all and basically voted for redff because he claimed tracker. Dr.H's case here makes a lot of sense. He also seemed fine with BC lynch which is ok, but he didn't add any reasons of his own other than just stating "I'd rather get him out of my head". What? I'm also not letting him get away with inactivity day after day as happened in Purgatory. That case better be amazing RoL and I don't want opinions just on one player ##vote Rebirthoflegendrisk.nuke any thoughts on anyone at all? You still aren't playing the game despite getting called out. The few posts you have have basically no content. I've only very vague and weak reasons for believing that you might be town, but if you don't start posting content soon, that will change. You do remember you called me scum the entire game for being inactive day 1, even though I was active rest of the game? Then now you are mad because I was active day 1, but was busy part of day two? This wreaks of inconsistency, just saying dude. This is his only case: + Show Spoiler +On February 25 2012 01:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Forgive me if this is a bit brief, but I have to head to work soon, but I will be back around 6. Helvetica is scum, not really going to preface this but I will show the posts specifically and demonstrate my points. Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 23 2012 02:43 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On February 23 2012 02:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 23 2012 02:22 Jitsu wrote:On February 22 2012 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 22 2012 11:44 Jitsu wrote:
I wouldn't roll with a BC lynch at the moment. He pretty much said exactly what I was thinking with the "role does not equal alignment." There is no defined set-up information, and it could be plausible that a tracker type would be on the mafia side. No?
Dirkzor
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Cool case, brah. Would it be ok to say that chaoser is a red read to you, then? If not, who then?
He made one okay point therefore we shouldn't lynch him? I agree with it too. That doesn't mean anything really. BC is way better than this. He's playing negatively, passively, he's criticizing others for not contributing past the PL discussion but offers nothing to the thread himself. Yeah, RedFF could be faking it and the fact that he hasn't said a role name yet makes me suspect but I feel way stronger about BC with that last post of his now. The fact that I had the same idea is less about me agreeing with it and more about having the same train of thought. Did you read L? Everyone was making the same case about him in L, saying how he was causing more chaos then good, especially with revealing his role. Not comfortable with lynching him at this point. I could get down with a Dirkzor lynch. - non-committal early on, staying out of the spotlight for the most part. - says that chaoser is curious because he is "flippy floppy" - On February 21 2012 18:44 Dirkzor wrote:
RedFF's fast unvote of Tyrran was weird after he had pushed and defended his policy lynch so much.
Kita's vote on (policy?) Tyrran while attacking Toad for defending Tyrran while attacking RedFF for his history regarding policy lynches and then unvoting Tyrran to vote RedFF is weird. Don't know what I should think about it. I like that you can argue with someone while still having the same opinion but this just looks way to double sided.
I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy... This post makes just about zero sense to me. It's more of the same, with a bit of confusion as well. If I wanted to post something to make it look like a contribution, this would be it. - says he can't wrap his head around this game, then two posts later, claims chaoser as his primary scumread, and adds a [weak] case about how chaoser is scum. - doesn't even vote for chaoser, even though it's his target. Something is up. ##vote Dirkzor No, I'm completely unfamiliar with BC's meta other than a game I played with him as scum too long ago to remember. That game was a perfect victory for us too. Dirkzor has made some alarming posts but also some solid points against other players, I want to hear how he responds to criticism before I consider lynching him because I may just be misunderstanding or misreading him. On February 23 2012 02:26 Blazinghand wrote:
I still don't see what the problem is with lynching redFF at this point. He's never gonna get shot by the mafia if he's town just to make us sad, will get RBed or *And I think this is the case* he's just mafia and punched out this tracker claim since he's out of breathing room and will claim RB. So you sheep all game and then say it's okay to lynch town just because "mafia won't shoot him" night 1? How do you know what the mafia will do? WIFOM galore and lynching town is not okay. K, I know you are smarter than this or at the very least functionally literate, so I'm going to give you around 20 minutes to read the last 3 pages of the thread and realize why this isn't some dumb wifom shit, its an obvious end result of RedFF's dipshit scummy claim. It is WIFOM. I agree scum would probably not shoot redFF if he is town AND survives Day 1 considering he's distracting and an easy lynch target, but I don't agree that it's alright to lynch town. redFF's claim is stupid and I'm not sold on it considering he didn't even say a name with it and just dipped out immediately. They should roleblock him but I just don't like making arguments or lynches based on predicting what the mafia will do. I can think of countless times I've been scum and we've concocted to do the opposite of what town would expect, even make bad shots just to confuse people. Mafia is not a game played by machines that make the most efficient decisions and even if what he said is likely correct, it is not helpful. This post is scummy. Seriously, I can't stress this enough. The logic isn't congruent. Predicting scum behavior can be hard sometimes, but this is honestly one of the most straightforward uses of it. We know scum most likely has a RBer, or at the very least we are assuming that. When someone claims Day 1 so they don't die they intend to use their power to prove their claim, or that's the idea. As scum, you can claim must of been roleblock, but even if he's town then scum most definitely will roleblock him because we are forced to deal with RedFF giving no evidence to his innocence through role usage and holding off a claim that never actualizes. What? The mafia is going to mind fuck us by confirming a tracker....? I can't imagine any circumstance where they would let that happen. It's bullshit. Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 09:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I didn't sheep anybody. I made my case on BC well before I even read syllogisms original post. You're connecting points I'm making in specific reference to other peoples posts to unrelated ideas. I was trying to illustrate that the wagon forming quickly doesn't mean much. The scum don't need to defend redFF if they can get somebody else lynched.
I don't think my posts are wishy washy. I wasn't yelling in the thread for one person to get lynched over any other, but that can't really be defined as wishy washiness. I wasn't planning on rebutting the case on redFF because I never ever thought it needed to be rebutted. I voted for redFF in the end. I moved my vote to BC to put pressure on him and make sure he stays active in the thread, his responses satisfied me enough that I wanted to stick with my original convictions and give BC Day 2 to prove himself. Needless to say I'll be keeping a close eye on him.
Calling BC the alternative lynch is a non-point since his flip, or lack thereof, was inconclusive. You don't know whether or not he is scum, unless you are scum, so implying that it is a defensive alternative makes no sense as town especially considering redFF is the person I voted for.
I never called RedFF not scum. I never called him 100% scum. I said very clearly RedFF is likely scum or terrible town but his claim is poorly done and seems defensive. I was more than okay with the RedFF lynch, which seemed so likely to go through at the time I switched to BC to pressure another player I was suspicious of. Seeing as RedFF has been AWOL during this entire period, I feel I made the right choice. If I didn't think RedFF was very suspect, I would have been far more vocal in trying to get people to join a BC bandwagon but you will notice I did no such thing as far as I can recall anyway. That's as much as I'll say in the interest of defending myself.
This redFF "flip", or whatever it is, is inconclusive and I don't feel it necessary to comment on it further. I'll read filters when I have the time. This is the second thing that really stood out to me. He's soft defending RedFF by trying to switch over to BC last minute while still saying he thinks RedFF is still possibly scum. If you think he's scum then why switch to BC? It doesn't make sense, then when the town decides on RedFF he marches right back over flip flopping. The first post I used and his behavior around the end of day 1 were both suspicious with the blatantly poor logic to defend redff, and the flipflopping BC/RedFF towards the end of Day 1. Day 1 DrH also barely did anything and posts a whole bunch of filler, but that can be said of most people. Its what his real activities goals were namely, soft defending RedFF without trying to make it obvious when there is one reason to try to mask who you are defending. Anyway, I had these reads since day 1. I skimmed the thread from day 2, but I will try to post more when I get back later. This two were some of the biggest scum reads I had day 1. So yeah, ##Vote DoctorHelvetica and only after he was attacked. It strikes me as BS. He's lurking, but not as bad as Risk imo. If he doesn't shape up during this day I'd be comfortable going after him. At least he's made some statements that he can be held to.
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On February 25 2012 07:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 06:16 Jitsu wrote:
Just got back for the day. Saw a few things that struck out at me.
It seems a lot of this RoL train has to do with his meta of being inactive. I'm not entirely privy to this. That being said, he's another one that is basically sitting back and letting the town attack each other without doing anything groundbreaking to prove his innocence. He comes back after lurking, to post OMGUS reads, then peaces. I haven't read the entirety of his case on DrH yet, only saw that he had posted it, so I will go back and check that out.
Dirkzor is floating somewhere between null and scum to me. I think part of it is confirmation bias, but since DrH has stated a lot of things the same as I have in my first case against him, I feel confident in my read. That, and I have received very little criticism about it, other then the fact that it was [defended?] by Dirkzor.
Risk.nuke. Guy is giving me negative vibes, mannnn.
Guy calls me out Day1 and says he would support my lynch. Doesn't give reasoning other then my Dirkzor case wasn't heartfelt. Laugh Out Loud.
Lurks it the fuck up.
Then he comes back, and either A) disregards my request to answer me about the above lynch support, or B) isn't reading the thread. To me, and to everyone else, he's acting anti-town. How has anything he has done supported town discussion or behavior?
cool thanks for the summary of what is happening no one cares
I care! Jitsu still playing in a sub-optimal fashion, in stark contrast with his D1 play.
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