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On February 25 2012 03:54 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 03:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I never try to make predictions in closed set ups, I always get it wrong and look like an idiot. RoL still hasn't pointed out why redFF is scum other than the fact that he claimed tracker, which is a terrible reason.
VE, how do you expect me to behave toward someone I believe is mafia? You don't have to be a dick. I think Blazinghand is mafia, do you see me repeatedly calling his posts worthless or shitty or whatever the fuck? No. Because I want Blazinghand to enjoy the game IN SPITE of being on the opposite team as him. But you know, I wouldn't expect you to think that way. Just leave me alone Doc.
Your posts being fluffy and useless are part of my case. I don't care how upset it makes you.
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I think BH is an SK or something of that nature if he isn't scum and should be Vig'd or DT'd tonight. If I had a shot I would use it on him.
prplhz voting for syllo? ugh i really don't wanna go through that filter again but why syllo over anyone else? you even said you thought BH and nuke were mafia so why not vote there?
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@VE
Useless posting is absolutely indicative of alignment
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On February 25 2012 04:39 layabout wrote:
vote Blazinghand
On balance he looks worse than VE.
Today VE has put in some semblance of an effort to find scum, BH has done anything but.
the funny thing is BH has actually done pretty much the same amount it's just kinda lost in the spam
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oh shit i always get you and sandroba confused
if there is a third party, which i find likely, sk makes the most sense besides survivor or vi which i hate but it's still possible
this may just be my tendency to stray away from anything too obvious. ex: coagulation in insane mafia
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On February 25 2012 04:42 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 25 2012 04:39 layabout wrote:
vote Blazinghand
On balance he looks worse than VE.
Today VE has put in some semblance of an effort to find scum, BH has done anything but. the funny thing is BH has actually done pretty much the same amount it's just kinda lost in the spam IF you want to find my useful posts, just skim my filter and look for posts longer than 1-2 lines, usually containing several quotes and spoilers. You'll find that I have actually done stuff other than 1-liners.
that's my point
you and VE both made a case tonight the difference being that VE's came right after i posted a case on WBG that i originally didn't even want to post because i felt like I was cluttering too much and he spent a lot of time announcing he was gonna do it first
you actually look better in that case
overall you are the most useless player in this thread and the one who is hurting town most
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On February 25 2012 06:16 Jitsu wrote:
Just got back for the day. Saw a few things that struck out at me.
It seems a lot of this RoL train has to do with his meta of being inactive. I'm not entirely privy to this. That being said, he's another one that is basically sitting back and letting the town attack each other without doing anything groundbreaking to prove his innocence. He comes back after lurking, to post OMGUS reads, then peaces. I haven't read the entirety of his case on DrH yet, only saw that he had posted it, so I will go back and check that out.
Dirkzor is floating somewhere between null and scum to me. I think part of it is confirmation bias, but since DrH has stated a lot of things the same as I have in my first case against him, I feel confident in my read. That, and I have received very little criticism about it, other then the fact that it was [defended?] by Dirkzor.
Risk.nuke. Guy is giving me negative vibes, mannnn.
Guy calls me out Day1 and says he would support my lynch. Doesn't give reasoning other then my Dirkzor case wasn't heartfelt. Laugh Out Loud.
Lurks it the fuck up.
Then he comes back, and either A) disregards my request to answer me about the above lynch support, or B) isn't reading the thread. To me, and to everyone else, he's acting anti-town. How has anything he has done supported town discussion or behavior?
cool thanks for the summary of what is happening
no one cares
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It comes off as scummy to me. What exactly are you saying in that post other than "I have no real thoughts about any of these people but I'm about to go read stuff", just go do that then, you don't really need to announce it. That is the kind of post I make all the time if I'm scum. It's too easy.
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On February 25 2012 08:23 Jitsu wrote:
Except for the part where I said that i'm curious on my Dirkzor read, but you making a case against him affirms my position that I think he is playing scummy.
And that Risk.Nuke needs to step it up, because he is giving me negative vibes.
How is that saying "I have no real thoughts on these players?" Blazinghand starting to discredit me enough to make my thoughts invalid?
Do you think i'm scum?
That's very wishy washy "I don't know really what to think about it and had no confidence in my read but a town player seems to agree so I'm confident now"
sounds like scum who is unsure about their agenda hoping for town support
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On February 25 2012 09:06 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 09:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 25 2012 08:23 Jitsu wrote:
Except for the part where I said that i'm curious on my Dirkzor read, but you making a case against him affirms my position that I think he is playing scummy.
And that Risk.Nuke needs to step it up, because he is giving me negative vibes.
How is that saying "I have no real thoughts on these players?" Blazinghand starting to discredit me enough to make my thoughts invalid?
Do you think i'm scum? That's very wishy washy "I don't know really what to think about it and had no confidence in my read but a town player seems to agree so I'm confident now" sounds like scum who is unsure about their agenda hoping for town support Or i'm not very confident in my scum-hunting ability, since I have only 4 games played total. Take you're pick. Also, you didn't answer my question. Do you think i'm mafia?
Need to read your filter to determine if you're bad town or mafia. I think RoL and BH are at the present time. I need to read your whole filter and I don't want to get unfocused and post a million reads right now, shit sucks for town when there are like 5 bandwagons.
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On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote:
And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.
Pretty funny if you ask me.
How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another.
Acting like a fool? That's an interesting "criticism" to some light pressure. This is a pretty scummy reaction. If anyone looks afraid here, it isn't me.
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On February 25 2012 10:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC - is this DocH's normal play? It looks to me like he's pouring on the "Hey guys, watch me pressure these noobs!" a little thick...
why are you so obsessed with me pressuring you?
do you think that makes me scum or something, what would you like me to do instead? buddy up to you like you've been doing to people all game?
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On February 25 2012 09:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 03:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
RoL thinks I'm mafia because I don't care about guessing what the mafia will do at night, especially after people are announcing it in the thread. Terrible analysis, he's doing it only out of defense and his "activity" is completely centered around his defense now.
I swear to god, I get this shit every time. I'm not bothering defending your accusation which is retarded. You were mad I didn't reiterate points against BC, yet if I did I would get accused of having no original analysis. It's fucks me either way in your analysis so don't try to pretend that was even an actual point. I have over 30 posts and I have other shit to do, I don't get it. Do I need to spam 24/7 from my phone to not be accused of inactivity? I could surely go WBG/BH style all over this game if you want.
It is an actual point. Your whole reason for voting redFF was that he claimed and instead of coming out and explaining why he is scum you just focused on the immediate point which was that he made a claim which was not a helpful town play but if RedFF was indeed town it's very understandable that he would claim tracker.
A lot of the points made against BC were points I made anyway. I just don't understand how you could be so lazy to not offer any explanation for who you thought was scum until you got called out by me. The first time you even bothered to push a lynch or make a case for why someone was scum was defensively. Being inactive is one thing but I think you're scum because of your posts primarily.
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On February 25 2012 11:56 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
I feel you Toad; I said the exact same thing about VE earlier.
Generally though if someone is exhibiting both tells I just ignore them until I'm forced to deal with them. BH is nothing but scum and RoL is nothing but lurk so it's easy killings either way. the sad part here is that I'm not getting out here alive no matter what's going to happen, because it's the very same situation we had in L d1 with Palmar. If BH flips town and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafa and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me because I was "defending" him. If BH flips town and I vote him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafia and I vote vote him everyone is going to rant about how I only voteswitched after I had to. Sad story, isn't it?  However, I'm going to rethink this whole thing when I wake up tomorrow. Should be plenty of time. For now I'm sticking with RoL.
You seem to care an awful lot about how town perceives you
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there is a dimension of difference between defending yourself from attacks/pressure and justifying your vote as town based on how guilty it might make you look
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On February 25 2012 12:08 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 12:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 25 2012 11:56 Toadesstern wrote:On February 25 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
I feel you Toad; I said the exact same thing about VE earlier.
Generally though if someone is exhibiting both tells I just ignore them until I'm forced to deal with them. BH is nothing but scum and RoL is nothing but lurk so it's easy killings either way. the sad part here is that I'm not getting out here alive no matter what's going to happen, because it's the very same situation we had in L d1 with Palmar. If BH flips town and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafa and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me because I was "defending" him. If BH flips town and I vote him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafia and I vote vote him everyone is going to rant about how I only voteswitched after I had to. Sad story, isn't it? However, I'm going to rethink this whole thing when I wake up tomorrow. Should be plenty of time. For now I'm sticking with RoL. You seem to care an awful lot about how town perceives you yeah because believe or not, I don't want to be lynched no matter if I rolled mafia or town. Because in both scenarios being lynched is not helping my team. So what you're telling me is that you successfully figured out I'm not a VI? But that's of course wifom. I could totally be a VI trying to look pro-town to try and look like I don't want to be lynched. That would be so ingenious. Just imagine the faces of the people: "We're totally lynching that pro-town playing guy ololol" and the moment I flip VI they're all like W T F. + Show Spoiler +Just for clarification: Yes parts of this posts were sarcasm and are not meant to be taken seriously + Show Spoiler +
if you think BH is scum then vote for him
if you're town you're the last person who would get lynched if he flipped town, the fact that you're worried enough about town perspective on your own guilt to vote based on that openly is highly suspicious
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I voted for RedFF specifically to get him lynched over BC because I thought he was scum
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On February 25 2012 19:13 Dirkzor wrote:
Shit I actually believe that claim =/ (haven't reread though)
why, it wasn't factored into the vote at all
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RoL 4/5 paragraphs in that post are just explaining why his roleclaim was a bad play. Since you admit this is a closed setup and we have no idea what scum or town might be able to do why would you assume he is scum based on a no-flip? This could just be a no-flip game anyway.
The fact that he said if I'm RB'd kill me makes me more inclined to think his claim was genuine. Mafia would be far more aware of the rules and how roleblocking works if they have one and him forgetting that he wouldn't even know about an RB is more town than scum indicative.
I was more concerned with how badly he misrepresented other peoples arguments and seemed to be putting words in peoples mouths than the fact that he was spammy. He wasn't halfheartedly pushing a policy lynch, he was pushing it really hard until no one went along with it. His moving around from candidate to candidate in retrospect seems very indecisive or that he is doubting himself under pressure, although it could indeed be scum flip-flopping.
If you think I'm scum for defending RedFF that's interesting seeing as he was my #1 read on Day 1 and I voted to lynch him and switched my vote at the last minute after pressuring BC a lot. Am I scum for "defending" BC now?
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I expect that RoL will be voting for BH since claiming in this game makes you scum apparently
redFF: 7
RebirthOfLeGenD
Kitaman27
Wherebugsgo
chaoser
BloodyC0bbler
layabout
Blazinghand
Is it normal for these doublevote roles not to have their votes counted as such? Shouldn't it say
redFF: 8
RebirthOfLeGenD
Kitaman27
Wherebugsgo
chaoser
BloodyC0bbler
layabout
Blazinghand
I'd be willing to lynch RoL or VE and we could test BH's claim if it was something like this:
BH : 6
Person
Person
Person
Person
Person
VE : 5
BH
Person
Person
Person
Person
If BH is telling the truth, VE would die come night instead of BH.
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EPT
