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Blazinghand
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On February 23 2012 06:14 layabout wrote:
Whilst i would like to call VE dumb with have bigger things to deal with.
Voting for BC right now is not only dumb due to how people have been behaving but it a terrible move. This was first pointed out to me in Purgatory.
If there are two wagons the first wagon is significantly more likely to hit a scum because no counterwagon against a scum player would gain mafia support and the wagon would likely fail. So any successful counterwagon is much more likely to hit town than it is to hit scum because the wagon should only gain support from mafia if it is a townie.Barring a DT check, that is the only time that a counterwagon could be correct.
Unless the scum was on the first wagon...
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Blazinghand
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dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here
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On February 23 2012 06:11 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 21 2012 12:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 21 2012 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 21 2012 12:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 21 2012 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 21 2012 11:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 21 2012 11:42 Jackal58 wrote:
Dear redFF and WBG
You both suck.
Sincerely,
Jackal58 I endorse this statement fully and from the bottom of my heart I thank you for letting me know I am not insane. Why are we debating Policy lynches this early into the day? Seriously? This isn't a game with a player like 2010 bill murray who spams while being a dick, this isn't a game with a mod hating spammer named showtime. Instead we have for the most part a fairly solid crew devoid of spammy trolls. If you want to lynch someone for being bad, wait till they start being bad / scumlike, dont lynch them for shits and giggles. Policy lynching people on retarded reasoning is worse than RNG votes for early discussion. Cut the nonsense out. Anyone who keeps talking about it from this post on be warned. as a side note, VE since you are making moderate sense for the first time ever I have to give you props for impressing me two games in a row. /salute What are your thoughts on redFF BC? I'm almost convinced that he's just bad and not scum, but I'd like your thoughts before I act on it. Honestly I think he may be suffering from something like a bat to the back of the head. That or a level of arrogance unseen since showtime. As it stands now short of recommending a terrible idea and being a retarded troll (which is a smiteworthy offense if he keeps it up) I see him more as someone to mock / ignore than take seriously. I know I am moderately guilty of this via my last few posts, however anyone continuing the trend of useless discussion / just trading insults with redff are most likely not playing with town interests in heart. There are a few players already guilty of this obviously. I am currently more intrigued at the people who have let policy discussion run so damn rampant for even this short a duration of a game who (in my mind) should know better. Come on guy....COME ON. You know what I'm asking. Do you think he's scum? Also, I thought we were well beyond policy-discussion - I've put forth a scum-candidate and several people have joined the wagon (with little to no reasoning)....and some (and by some I mean WBG) have even gone on to defend him - citing meta resources that point to badTownRedFF. I mean, did you miss all this in reading? Why are you trying to color this all as policy discussion? What's up yo? its what? 5 hours into the day? I would like to believe redff isn't this horrendous as scum to be caught this quickly. However that is wifom with someone of his experience. The only read I have on him as of now is Bad. Bad town or bad mafia. Hell, I think chaoser is also bad for defending posting town reads as a viable move at this stage in the game. It is only at all useful if people are posting clear scum reads along with clear town reads to make them fully accountable rather than "contributing" without doing much. As for coloring it up to policy discussion, the main point you first raised (I will re-read to see what your entire argument is in exact detail so i stress the first point i saw) was his push on tyrran via policy of being bad. Factor in the mass level of general annoyance with him via his recent behaviour outside of game it is not outside the realms of possibility people are "policy" pushing him based on him being a total wad. I'm mulling over this post. The first thing I noticed about it is that it still doesn't answer my question. I mean, yeah. Okay. I get it. It's early in the game. But you don't even have a read on the guy? Regardless of the fact that he has almost 25% of the posts since the game started? I realize that's a gross exaggeration, but you see what I'm getting at - you should have more of a read on him than "bad" in my opinion. The next thing I noticed is that you respond to my soft accusation of you coloring the discussion surrounding red as 'policy discussion' by boiling down the argument against him I've made to "his push on tyrran via policy is bad". I get that he's kinda a tool outside this thread, but my argument has to do with his actions/decisions in THIS thread. If anyone is voting for him on policy based on his behavior out-of-thread, that's their thing...but that's absolutely not why I'm voting for him, and that's absolutely not what the discussion for the last few pages has been about. Is it possible that people are voting him on policy? Sure I guess. Has that been the subject of discussion, like, ever? Not so much. This is why I said you "colored" the discussion recently as "policy discussion"...because by my estimation, we've been talking about lynching red because he's scum, and you come in and say "why are we still talking about policy-lynch?" I mean, am I missing something here? No BH. This has nothing to do with him being uncharismatic or mad for no reason...at least for me. BC came right out of the gates with scumminess.
1) you quoted the wrong guy
2) i meant to say "uncharacteristic" but autocorrect is an ass
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Blazinghand
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On February 23 2012 06:20 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here Go find a retard.
ah yes you're right, in the next 40 minutes you're gonna get all the votes you need to lynch me, you're being SO USEFUL right now
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Blazinghand
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Look dude currently BC or redFF is gonna get lynched, pick whichever one is scummier and vote him
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Blazinghand
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On February 23 2012 06:21 Dirkzor wrote:
Blazinghand is so far of his meta and have been sheeping thought troughout the game. He is the best lynch today and everyone should vote him.
Really you're making a meta argument against a guy who's been playing for 2 months, that's your story and you're sticking with that?
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Blazinghand
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On February 23 2012 06:22 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:06 Blazinghand wrote:
So the case on BC is
All he's basically done is argue with jackal
He's mad for no reason
he jumped on the redFF wagon
he hasn't been helpful
He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else
Layabout doesn't want to get shot
and this is more convincing than the case against redFF> Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:Alright lets roll this wagon across the finish line. I'll vote him  I anticipate this will earn me lots of town credit and you guys will be like "wow blazinghand what a fortuitous voteswitch, that makes you a good person" and send me chocolates and stuff but you don't have my address so I won't get any which is really actually good since I'm trying to lose weight Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here Ok those 3 posts worry me A LOT right now. Anyone got the same feeling?
goddamn it's like anything I do everyone's like "oh hey BH isn't acting normal" well you can go eat a dick
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Blazinghand
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Also in the middle post everything after the smiley is a joke, in case your autism filter is turned on to full blast atm
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On February 23 2012 06:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:22 Toadesstern wrote:On February 23 2012 06:06 Blazinghand wrote:
So the case on BC is
All he's basically done is argue with jackal
He's mad for no reason
he jumped on the redFF wagon
he hasn't been helpful
He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else
Layabout doesn't want to get shot
and this is more convincing than the case against redFF> On February 23 2012 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:Alright lets roll this wagon across the finish line. I'll vote him I anticipate this will earn me lots of town credit and you guys will be like "wow blazinghand what a fortuitous voteswitch, that makes you a good person" and send me chocolates and stuff but you don't have my address so I won't get any which is really actually good since I'm trying to lose weight On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here Ok those 3 posts worry me A LOT right now. Anyone got the same feeling? It's like I'm playing with Coagulation all over again. They're obnoxious but this kind of playstyle is hard to get any read from other than "annoying". The only thing that worries me is that BH seemingly hasn't contributed a single original thought or point despite posting prolifically.
This is actually the first legitimate criticism of my play all game
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Blazinghand
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On February 23 2012 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:25 prplhz wrote:
I agree with Toadesstern and Jackal58 on Blazinghand. Thanks for letting us know
Where would we be without prplhz this game
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Blazinghand
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Hm that's a good point. IT could be a function of WHEN your wagon started though right
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Blazinghand
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Yeah I'm going back to redFF
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Blazinghand
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On February 23 2012 06:31 VisceraEyes wrote:lmao
come at me bro
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Blazinghand
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On February 23 2012 06:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Hm that's a good point. IT could be a function of WHEN your wagon started though right It's a shit point. The best defense is being behind in votes. It's unnecessary for anyone to hard defend scum BC unless he gets 1-2 behind.
wouldn't it be unneccessary... until he gets ahead?
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Blazinghand
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On February 23 2012 06:34 Dirkzor wrote:
I never said the case againts you is good. I actually said your filter did not look scummy. But you have also not contributed at all the entire game. Which make you an okay lynch.
You have a point that I'm giving RedFF a free pass. It was never meant to be "never lynch RedFF until he post". Merely a way to get people to vote where I want them, BH. I will of course reevalutate my position on RedFF as the game goes on but right now I don't think he is a good lynch.
I have used boldface to highlight the contradictory statements
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Blazinghand
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On February 23 2012 06:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:33 Blazinghand wrote:On February 23 2012 06:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 23 2012 06:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Hm that's a good point. IT could be a function of WHEN your wagon started though right It's a shit point. The best defense is being behind in votes. It's unnecessary for anyone to hard defend scum BC unless he gets 1-2 behind. wouldn't it be unneccessary... until he gets ahead? That depends on your preference as scum. I would gun it a little bit early to avoid the inevitable "he changed his vote as soon as BC started winning" thing if I'm scum. It could be a little bit behind, tied, ahead, it doesn't really matter. redFF winning would be all the defense BC needs.
Ah so this is why it was scummy for me to vote BC
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Blazinghand
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On February 23 2012 06:36 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 23 2012 06:21 Dirkzor wrote:Its not like the BC wagon is forming quickly. Scum voting for RedFF can just sit there and hope 7 votes are enough to hang RedFF. And to be precise we have 3 wagons. RedFF Bloodyc0bble  --------------> Blazinghand <-------------- RedFF is a non-issue. He don't want to play anymore. If he returns we can take the discussion again. There are argument for and against keeping him alive even if he is scum. Bloodyc0bble is gone. He don't care. He is indifferent. He have been a target for some time now but he don't want to defend himself. Okayish lynch. Blazinghand is so far of his meta and have been sheeping thought troughout the game. He is the best lynch today and everyone should vote him. Ok, i have to take off for work soon but as it seems people are being retarded I have to come in and defend myself. Reasons like this post are reasons I am more or less a dick this game. You just said redff is a non issue because he doesn't want to play? If he is scum he is still going to help his team and guess what else? It means you just gave him a free pass to lurk the fuck out of the game without ever contributing and not die unless he actively posts. There are no activity requirements this game and you are letting someone go with a free pass seriously. You then paint a bullseye on me for being indifferent and not defending myself? The case against me is terrible. Wasting my time on a case that imo doesn't warrant being lynched on is something I should never have to respond to. The fact that said case is also being pushed by players who know better is even sadder. Whats even worse is you have those same people pushing my lynch saying I am more likely scum, yet one of the major reasons for their defense (as near all of them have also defended redff), is that there was near no resistance to his lynch. Guess what? I have seen very few people defend me through this lynch yet redff has had a ton defending him. If redFF quit he will not be mod killed for inactivity. But he will get mod killed for not voting. If he votes without posting we lynch him. He has already voted today before he quit I believe. I think it's a wasted lynch.
brilliant plan but redFF has already voted, on toad
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Blazinghand
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Like are we gonna lynch redFF day3 for a non vote on Day 2? I'm pretty sure that's not even a realistic possibility
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Blazinghand
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Also all you guys who think redFF shouldn't be lynched need to reconsider the split wagons between me and BC, just from a tactical perspective lol
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Blazinghand
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On February 23 2012 06:42 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Also all you guys who think redFF shouldn't be lynched need to reconsider the split wagons between me and BC, just from a tactical perspective lol Its to late for hidden messages. Say what you want instead of writing riddles.
Um what you can't parse that? If you're against redFF being lynched and are jumping off the BC wagon to lynch me, you're dumb, because my wagon isn't going anywhere. Go do something useful with your vote.
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