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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 02:30 GMT
#1511
On February 28 2012 11:28 prplhz wrote:
Nah, lets lynch Tyrran.

Does anybody have any evidence pointing at Tyrran being town?


the fact that you want to lynch him
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 02:33 GMT
#1514
On February 28 2012 11:30 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 11:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
On February 28 2012 11:19 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 28 2012 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record.


you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me.


why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon?


That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again:

The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies.

However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not.

So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia.
I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to.

He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever

I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM

wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA.

How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME.
VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck?


VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip

It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing

holy shit it's irc mafia all over again:
Toad gets shot by mafia 6 times in a row. -> VE: "TOAD COULD BE MAFIA SHOOTING HIMSELF TO LOOK TOWNIE, WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM"
[image loading]


you make 0 sense


wifom is a nice excuse and it might be a problem when the cases are both viable options but in the case we got here saying VE has to be mafia because he waltzed in the thread, derping like a pro and made himself the target of your wrath is definitely not impossible but how likely is that?
If you want to play that way everything is wifom. Me saying I am Toad could be a lie because for all I know I could be fucking Santa Claus (let's use Jackals claim from last game ❤ ) and therefore every single meta argument you make about me is invalid because I'm not toad but isntead Santa Claus. You're telling me that's a possibility as well?


there's two possibilities here

1. you don't understand what WIFOM is

2. you don't have an interest in having a productive discussion.

You can argue this all you want; your opinion is not tenable because you make assumptions without any evidence suggesting that your assumptions are better than any others. For that reason, you're inclined to believe your own opinion over those of others. Since both myself and Dr. H have already conclusively shown you how you are wrong, you either are refusing to accept that fact or do not understand what we are saying.

It's no wonder we both want to kill you.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 02:43 GMT
#1516
On February 28 2012 11:40 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 11:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
On February 28 2012 11:30 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 28 2012 11:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
On February 28 2012 11:19 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 28 2012 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
[quote]

why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon?


That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again:

The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies.

However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not.

So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia.
I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to.

He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever

I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM

wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA.

How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME.
VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck?


VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip

It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing

holy shit it's irc mafia all over again:
Toad gets shot by mafia 6 times in a row. -> VE: "TOAD COULD BE MAFIA SHOOTING HIMSELF TO LOOK TOWNIE, WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM"
[image loading]


you make 0 sense


wifom is a nice excuse and it might be a problem when the cases are both viable options but in the case we got here saying VE has to be mafia because he waltzed in the thread, derping like a pro and made himself the target of your wrath is definitely not impossible but how likely is that?
If you want to play that way everything is wifom. Me saying I am Toad could be a lie because for all I know I could be fucking Santa Claus (let's use Jackals claim from last game ❤ ) and therefore every single meta argument you make about me is invalid because I'm not toad but isntead Santa Claus. You're telling me that's a possibility as well?


there's two possibilities here

1. you don't understand what WIFOM is

2. you don't have an interest in having a productive discussion.

You can argue this all you want; your opinion is not tenable because you make assumptions without any evidence suggesting that your assumptions are better than any others. For that reason, you're inclined to believe your own opinion over those of others. Since both myself and Dr. H have already conclusively shown you how you are wrong, you either are refusing to accept that fact or do not understand what we are saying.

It's no wonder we both want to kill you.

I know what wifom is, nevertheless assuming I am mafia would be the BY FAR most reasonable explanation. You did not see that and didn't even think about it.
After all it's still to some degree a game of robabilities. Would you say "A looks good, he was the first to point out X, Y and Z could be mafia and A heavily pushed them" is wifom as well because it could be possible that A bussed 3 of his mafia members to get towncred and win the game himself?
Of course you would not because it's a possibility there's no reason to assume that kind of bullshit unless you got a PRETTY good reason to assume that kind of stuff.

Assuming VE is a mafia trying to build a counterwagon while getting himself killed (if it were up to you) is just so incredible unlikely.


turns out you don't know what WIFOM is
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 03:02 GMT
#1520
On February 28 2012 11:59 prplhz wrote:
Meh.

I don't really want to lynch into VisceraEyes/wherebugsgo because they're both reasonably active but if I have to then I'll lynch wherebugsgo. I think there's something off about him. Just his "All the three people accusing me of being scum in this thread are scum.". That's fucking insane.

I'd much rather lynch into those people who are abusing the activity requirements. I mean, write a fucking post. I don't agree at all with DoctorHelvetica's "lets leave low-activity people for later". Everybody here has a page or two of posts and that should be enough that we can get a read on them. I think we could lynch chaoser and there seems to be consensus about that among all the people present right now. Here's his filter. He hasn't said a thing for two days now and he doesn't seem to care much about the game with the "When's deadline?" and seems to be faking activity with "I'll do votecounts myself.". He was only reasonably active during day1 but since then he doesn't seem to care about the game (that's gone way off track).


so there's 3 people trying to lynch me?

AFAIK there's only 2, unless you know something that I don't.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 03:04 GMT
#1524
On February 28 2012 12:03 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 12:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
On February 28 2012 11:59 prplhz wrote:
Meh.

I don't really want to lynch into VisceraEyes/wherebugsgo because they're both reasonably active but if I have to then I'll lynch wherebugsgo. I think there's something off about him. Just his "All the three people accusing me of being scum in this thread are scum.". That's fucking insane.

I'd much rather lynch into those people who are abusing the activity requirements. I mean, write a fucking post. I don't agree at all with DoctorHelvetica's "lets leave low-activity people for later". Everybody here has a page or two of posts and that should be enough that we can get a read on them. I think we could lynch chaoser and there seems to be consensus about that among all the people present right now. Here's his filter. He hasn't said a thing for two days now and he doesn't seem to care much about the game with the "When's deadline?" and seems to be faking activity with "I'll do votecounts myself.". He was only reasonably active during day1 but since then he doesn't seem to care about the game (that's gone way off track).


so there's 3 people trying to lynch me?

AFAIK there's only 2, unless you know something that I don't.


Which of Toadesstern, VisceraEyes and prplhz isn't people?


Toad isn't trying to lynch me?

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 03:15 GMT
#1529
apparently this game revolves around Toad

everything that happens is because of Toad

all hail Toad

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 04:12 GMT
#1555
nah actually it's because syllo convinced me redFF was town.

I was masoned with him.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 04:14 GMT
#1558
I'll post em later when I'm on my comp
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 04:15 GMT
#1560
that's also how I knew he gave kita a healing pot n1. It's why kita is confirmed to me.

I have more info but I'm not letting that out cause that'd help mafia too much. Town wouldn't benefit from it anyway
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 04:21 GMT
#1564
he gave me a healing potion n2.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 04:32 GMT
#1568
On February 28 2012 13:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 13:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
he gave me a healing potion n2.


An alchemist with multiple healing potions? Did he only have healing potions or could he kill as well?


he could kill as well but I don;t know the specifics of his role.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 05:51 GMT
#1580
On February 28 2012 14:48 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 10:51 chaoser wrote:
sorry, i've been out all day, still at the er but will be back at 9:30 to be able to read.


Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 06:22 chaoser wrote:
On February 26 2012 06:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Will you continue to be busy in the near future chaoser or can we expect regular posting from now on?


Yah, sorry, my activity is going to get way stepped up from now on.


Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 22:11 chaoser wrote:
Going to sleep, will wake at 12pm to post my thoughts





LOL
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 06:01 GMT
#1581
kita if your #1 scumread is prpl why is your vote on RoL
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 06:50 GMT
#1586
apparently I can't copy+paste logs from the QT, so basically I'll just paraphrase:

started out by asking each other if it was only us in the QT, and we both said no; so we speculated for a bit on a town role that could mason other people. Kept watching the viewer counter and it stayed constant at 4, which meant it really was only us in there. I breadcrumbed something to see if the creator would feel safe enough to communicate to us via thread but no one ever did. I confirmed earlier today-so it likely means the originator of the QT can't read the QT.

we then moved on to discussing reads. I pointed out Blazinghand and syllo pointed out RoL, and we both agreed that Dr. H looked town. We both agreed to push the separate wagons because we wanted at least one to flip. So basically syllo pushed RoL and I pushed Blazinghand; that's also why I didn't really care about the RoL wagon since BH got lynched. (likewise syllo didn't stop the BH wagon)

We talk about VE and how he called me wishy washy but was wishy washy on redFF himself (it's mostly me commenting on VE; syllo never actually said anything about him for some reason) and syllo mentions that he thinks redFF is town based on the lack of tracker cc. In addition he says he thinks the vote pattern is indicative of both d1 wagons being town.

little bit of discussion as to why risk.nuke was so scummy, syllo says he has no idea why he would be playing the way he's playing as town.

I ask what syllo thinks of kita; he says "town" and I ask why, he says, since he's not very motivated, that he'll reveal that it is "role related reasons." I leave the subject there and later in the day when he asks me to roleclaim I do so and he claims to me as alchemist. He says the reason he believes kita is town is because he gave kita a healing potion n1. He says he thinks Dr. H and I are the two most likely shot targets and gives me a healing potion at the end of d2.

Talk about how Jackal and chaoser are relatively null; syllo says chaoser looked fine d1 but has looked progressively worse. Says Jackal is hard to read and doesn't care.

small discussion about why Toad said a certain thing (the so scummy part) and how he's not making sense; syllo speculates about what it means but admits he's too lazy to read Toad's filter to find the previous post he's referring to

comment on how something BC said is exactly my thought on BH

syllo suspicious of BH posting a response to his question about RoL only 4 minutes after he posted, says he thinks it was written up already

ask about Toad + risk, syllo says assuming BH flips scum Toad looks okay, doesn't know why risk is playing so bad, again admits he's too lazy to read filters (at this point it's clear to me syllo doesn't really have motivation to play lol)

before nightpost syllo explains the details of his role and answers my question regarding why kita would say to kill Jackal if he died; syllo says kita prbably just thought jackal gave him the potion, says target has to willingly drink the potion or it is discarded (he actually said this wasn't optimal play, but that it's more fun to reveal details. He didn't say much though and I didn't really have the presence of mind to ask)

small discussion on how VE has disappeared (we're both busy and on and off at this point so we're not even talking much)

syllo angry about vote count modifier being hidden (BH's role)

speculation about night kills

annnd that's it!
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 08:32 GMT
#1589
On February 28 2012 16:44 prplhz wrote:
@BloodyC0bbler It looks to me like you just come in here and then paraphrase the last pages of posts and complains. The "Burden of proof." thing I said was something wherebugsgo said earlier, I was just using it against him for the lulz. If you read the thread you will notice that I don't actually want to lynch wherebugsgo today, I don't think he's strong enough scum read and then he's active which I very much appreciate.

I'd lynch you though.

I think that if anybody thinks about it, it would be very weird if there were multiple scum among Toadesstern/VisceraEyes/prplhz. I doubt there's even one right now. VisceraEyes looks his usual town except for the inactivity but he was drunk and inactive elsewhere on these forums too so I don't doubt that claim. Toadesstern looks the scummiest but I just think that a scum QuickTopic would have stopped him when he was starting to argue with terms he didn't even understand. There was no reason for him to go on at that point.

@wherebugsgo So you're a mason. I have no idea why you are claiming but alright.


you didn't read apparently

I'm not actually a mason, I was just masoned with syllo.

As in, someone else masoned me with syllo.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 10:16 GMT
#1599
On February 28 2012 19:14 Dirkzor wrote:
While I was sleeping DrH have accomplished to add 2-3 more page to his filter without saying anything. He have called 6+ player scummy but made no cases or really pushed for their lynch. He called out toad for cluttering up the thread but continued to do so himself the same way he have done earlier.

##Vote DrH


What the fuck?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 19:26 GMT
#1682
Things prplhz has done since joining the game:

Say random shit.

@Kita it had nothing to do with the mason. I actually thought about what I was originally going to do and then decided not to do it because in the long term it'd probably be bad
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 19:43 GMT
#1692
prpl it's funny that you say Tyrran "knew" bH was town but you completely fuckin ignore the fact that Toad "knew" he was town.

That screams that you have an agenda that is not pro-town.

Dr. H, let's kill one of Toad or prpl. No one's voting Toad unfortunately as of yet, but people are voting prpl. Since RoL ragequit and is about to get modkilled I see no reason to lynch him.

##vote prplhz
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 19:46 GMT
#1699
Unlike? I just said we need to lynch one person.

Yes I said we need to keep votes between 3 players earlier but then people went full retard and started voting everyone.

In order to play this game I feel like I need to take my head and bang it into a wall several times so I'm dumb enough to understand this type of play
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 28 2012 20:03 GMT
#1705
Let's kill prplhz.

RoL is getting modkilled, so we might as well kill someone else today. That someone should be one of Toad/VE/prpl.

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