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On May 05 2012 09:56 johnnywup wrote:Nominate VisceraEyes lynch on day 1 of TL Mafia LIII for worst lynch.Only one scum on him. He is considered one of the best town players and additionally he had a very strong power role, yet he was lynched day1 for hardly any reason at all. Scum didn't even have to push him actively. Night postI used the same phrasing as the first nomination because it's almost identically true
I would second this
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On May 05 2012 09:56 johnnywup wrote:Nominate VisceraEyes lynch on day 1 of TL Mafia LIII for worst lynch.Only one scum on him. He is considered one of the best town players and additionally he had a very strong power role, yet he was lynched day1 for hardly any reason at all. Scum didn't even have to push him actively. Night postI used the same phrasing as the first nomination because it's almost identically true
I think that the MG lynches and Sentinel lynches were far worse.
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I third VE lynch. You just don't lynch claimed blues Day 1.
You also don't CLAIM blue Day 1 :|
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Well, it was a lynch D1 on a claimed Jailkeeper with only 1 scum in it. Looking at it like that is seems pretty bad.
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On May 05 2012 10:02 iGrok wrote:
I third VE lynch. You just don't lynch claimed blues Day 1.
You also don't CLAIM blue Day 1 :|
Why not 
Did he claim before he was in danger of being lynched?
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On May 05 2012 10:07 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 10:02 iGrok wrote:
I third VE lynch. You just don't lynch claimed blues Day 1.
You also don't CLAIM blue Day 1 :| Why not Did he claim before he was in danger of being lynched?
Yes
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On May 05 2012 10:01 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:56 johnnywup wrote:Nominate VisceraEyes lynch on day 1 of TL Mafia LIII for worst lynch.Only one scum on him. He is considered one of the best town players and additionally he had a very strong power role, yet he was lynched day1 for hardly any reason at all. Scum didn't even have to push him actively. Night postI used the same phrasing as the first nomination because it's almost identically true I think that the MG lynches and Sentinel lynches were far worse.
How so, MG was really looking scummy, and town didn't know I tracked him, and he was confirmed not goon. Sentinel looked scummy, and it didn't help that he "forgot" night 1, but using some thorough logic, they coulda lynched Risen first and then JK'd BM and been in a much better position and figure it out from there. But VE it was ALL town and everyone said, that was bad lets kill him, Even scum was defending him and no one got off him.
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On May 05 2012 10:09 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 10:07 Ace wrote:On May 05 2012 10:02 iGrok wrote:
I third VE lynch. You just don't lynch claimed blues Day 1.
You also don't CLAIM blue Day 1 :| Why not Did he claim before he was in danger of being lynched? Yes
then if he got lynched for it thats his fault.
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On May 05 2012 09:56 johnnywup wrote:Nominate VisceraEyes lynch on day 1 of TL Mafia LIII for worst lynch.Only one scum on him. He is considered one of the best town players and additionally he had a very strong power role, yet he was lynched day1 for hardly any reason at all. Scum didn't even have to push him actively. Night postI used the same phrasing as the first nomination because it's almost identically true
Have to agree with this.
I'd also like to nominate Mattchew as best mafia player for his gameplay in LIII
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128.
Town was a shitshow this game but I honestly think with the exception of leaking my breadcrumbs at the very end he played a nearly flawless game given what we were working with (goons who just decided not to play the game and troll BM trying to throw the game following St Dan's modkill)
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United States3858 Posts
i'd dispute mattchew as best mafia, it was more of town being bad
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On May 05 2012 11:18 johnnywup wrote:
i'd dispute mattchew as best mafia, it was more of town being bad
Isn't the best mafia someone who influences events to make sure town makes the worst decisions?
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that wasnt mattchew influencing town though. it was exclusively town being bad.
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On May 05 2012 11:22 johnnywup wrote:
that wasnt mattchew influencing town though. it was exclusively town being bad.
idc about the nomination, but even the obs almost all had me as town up until day4 (the forced fake claim to win the game was pretty good too if i do say so myself cause literally that was the ONLY thing we could do and it HAD to work)
call town bad all you want but i would like to say we (the scum team) got 5 straight mislynches, and lost 1 of our 2 KP to a modkill. I don't wanna be mean but if you think town played bad, just look at our goons (st.dan and BM)... and risen claimed scum in thread like twice as well.
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you may have acted town and been written off as town for a long time but i just dont think that makes you best mafia player lol. I mean yes we mislynched a lot but I don't think that was due to mafia interference that much.
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On May 05 2012 11:32 johnnywup wrote:
you may have acted town and been written off as town for a long time but i just dont think that makes you best mafia player lol. I mean yes we mislynched a lot but I don't think that was due to mafia interference that much.
so what does make me best mafia? how could I have played better?
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United States3858 Posts
misleading town off the right track really well, stuff like that. it was town fucking themselves this game imo
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On May 05 2012 11:37 johnnywup wrote:
misleading town off the right track really well, stuff like that. it was town fucking themselves this game imo
but if town couldn't read me as scum, wouldn't that in itself be misleading town off the right track? I think you just wanna punish yourself for the town playing really bad, but I don't see how a mafia player who took part in every major decision town made (pushing away from VE lynch, pushing a BM lynch, pushing Ottox (alongside pushing away from the other lynches that took place day2/day3, and fake claiming) and maintained a town-read from the majority if not all of the thread and obs QT can be told he wasn't misleading.
I guess I just don't like how your reasoning provides me no room for improvement and I have no control over how good or bad I played as mafia. If you wanted to say town derped for not catching you because of where you said "x" or where you did "y" I would be like yeah your right. Instead you just argue that you all completely controlled how I played, when in reality I took the HUGE risk of naming my ENTIRE team on day 1 (or night 1) lol
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I'd say you started playing well when town started playing very badly.
At first on D1 when the thing was under controlled me and Paqman found you quite easily.
Then of course people started acting scummy as shit and there were so scum out there that made everybody's reads a mess, and in that time you started playing better.
I wouldn't say that your vig fake-claim was the best play out there, because we outsiders saw through it and could never think of townies believing it, but fuck it it worked somehow and you got like 2-3 townies to vote for Sentinel somehow so kudos to that.
EDIT: Wait, why are we discussing this here?
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Nomination for Best Play by Risen on TL Mafia LIII.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128
Context: During day 2, two mislynches were leading the vote count toe-to-toe. On the last minute, Risen voteswitches to the other candidate, and immediately switches back causing the other candidate to be lynched.
Justifying as "panicking", everyone took the other candidate as a real scum, blinding a lot of town's judgement, as well as making Risen look bad. However, as the other candidate flips town too, people took Risen's voteswitch as legit and a town move, thus giving him cred as well as causing a mislynch.
Even on OBS QT, people didn't think Risen could be scum after doing that.
Hence, the nomination.
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On May 06 2012 02:48 Zephirdd wrote:Nomination for Best Play by Risen on TL Mafia LIII. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128Context: During day 2, two mislynches were leading the vote count toe-to-toe. On the last minute, Risen voteswitches to the other candidate, and immediately switches back causing the other candidate to be lynched. Justifying as "panicking", everyone took the other candidate as a real scum, blinding a lot of town's judgement, as well as making Risen look bad. However, as the other candidate flips town too, people took Risen's voteswitch as legit and a town move, thus giving him cred as well as causing a mislynch. Even on OBS QT, people didn't think Risen could be scum after doing that. Hence, the nomination.
I'll have it noted that I still thought he was scum.
Couldn't convince anyone else though.
I'll second that nomination, it was a good play.
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