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Matt steveling ech? Like why? Why are you trying to evoke that kind of paranoia at this stage in the game? THIS IS THE LAST THING WE NEED. Track Alderaan schowrz? thats over half the people still in this game. Someone please please please give me a really strong case so that I don't feel guilty when I lend my vote to a mislynch, kay? Note: This defeatist attitude is brought to you by yesterdays mind fuck and Matt's absurd accusation. Oh and on the severe off chance that either sloosh or ech are scum, thanks to you guys for teaching me to never trust anyone ever again. Btw heres a converstation between schowrz and hawk for your viewing pleasure! "dude are they seriously not voting for us?" "told you man, just don't post, they'll kill each other" "oh boy, townies really are dumb eh?" "they sure are schworz old buddy, they sure are" One last thing so I don't waste a post, Despite what GMarshal's fantastic writing would have us believe mg's death was never part of the mafias plan, they wanted mg to stay in the game as long as possible, Janaan actually did us a favour, he sets us off the wrong track, now we just need to ask ourselves, who laid the track? Who was invested in having mg and three other players stay alive until they could be mislynched? The accusation against ech is a stretch, but the one against matt, well, perhaps it warrants a closer look. | ||
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On February 24 2012 08:27 Mattchew wrote: Why it is reasonable to vote for Mattchew (me) 1. I have been overly aggressive and spammy 2. I have created chaos in a town setting that needed focus 3. My reads were wrong and are constantly changing 4. I have had a lot of contradicting reads and actions in this game 5. I shut up MG and TK which is where pressure becomes too much pressure 6. My big 4 scum post was bad. The case was not strong especially in a newbie game where everyone is easy to pick on. I have let scum dictate my play, regardless of who the scum team ends up being, they have had a serious negative impact on my reads and overall play. Well WTF have you been doing? Good Question. What most of you don't know (I tried to breadcrumb it through my posts about gumshoe), I have never fully read the thread. I skimmed up until I joined, and then barely followed along until after jaj was shot. This lead me to realize that I probably wasn't going to be making any good cases. I tried to sheep sloosh cause I knew he was good town in the game before. Then I noticed the vote switch. In my first game ever (I was scum) we organized a HUGE ass vote switch last minute. The dimmu lynch brought back these memories, and then seeing exactly 4 people had switched from ET to Dimmu, I thought it almost as a sign from God or something. I followed up on those 4 by reading their filters. I remember (I think it was Adam497 or w.e) saying that he had realized post game that he should have known who was scum because of their refusal to heavily interact with one another. When I saw the minimal (and yes there was a lot of scummy) interactions with these 4, I was ready to be the hero. I then realized that Sloosh was getting his way this game. I did actually read and think his and ET's case was bad on DYH. So finally after realizing that I was not town's hero I went back and re-read the thread. This is why I am fumbling around changing my reads every 3 seconds in a time where we need focus the most. I am playing like shit. For that I honestly have to apologize to town and everyone playing this game. A lot of you called me on my shit play but I was too arrogant to listen. So what Mattchew? You're right this post reeks of scum as well. I know its a little overreaction based on only getting 2 votes but with scum team having 4 votes and me being town I realize that 1 townie vote on me could lead to inevitable death and loss. I've read this far, your post sounds terrible but maybe its honest, anything else I have to say don't lynch me because thats my win condition and I have to play to it. Don't give me sympathy for this post and you should still hammer on me to play better. If I survive and we do lynch scum I will do my best to provide better reads. Matt do you wanna know what itll take for me not to lynch you? I wanna see hawk get modkilled, and flip scum, thats all im asking for, someone give me that and I will stand by you to the bitter mylo. | ||
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ok fine, then I'm not gonna vote for matt cause I don't think he's scum(cant blame me for pulling an Illidan though) if any one wants to know why then just ask me, I'm done making long posts if I don't have too / : | ||
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I dont thing I'm gonna end up voting for track just because I feel like hes getting bussed, didn't like how steveling said we were all going dyh on him, did not sound like something a town who knows he's town would say, sounds more like something scum would say to make us doubt ourselves and if there was ever a time for a scum to play the DYH card, that was it. I am willing to lynch steveling just because I feel like he was trying to say the thing that would make us doubt ourselves as opposed to trying to fight for his innocence. That said sloosh's case against him is weak, I am for lynching him more so because of his response, why cant we lynch a lurker again? | ||
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schorz and hawk at the moment are null votes, meaning they just sit there, right now we need a six vote advantage to win, so if there are 10 players, 6 town and 4 mafia, and two town aren't voting what does that bring us to? 4/4 and theres no more vig, we may already be in lylo and not even know it, (ironicaly I Thought everyone knew this :/ loooooool) thats why I was so desperate to hear about hawk, the reason I don't think were in lylo is because the Hosts don't seem like the kinda guys that would let us just hopelessly squirm at this critical point in the game because two townies decided to just sit there, (that said it also seems way too late in to the game to introduce replacements but I dont know about that). Which leads my optimistic side to believe two things, that the reason they are not intervening is because either hawk or schorz or both are scum and we not only have a chance but an advantage (because two of the mafias are absent) and we have at least a 50-100 percent chance to lynch scum if we vote for one or the other. Than again this assessment is not only Wifom, its wifom established on the grounds that the impartial mediators would not let one side suffer,( which is beyond wifom it is mega god wifom), regardless if the hosts do not intervene today, and both schworz and hawk are town, then there is no way we can win this vote. In fact come to think of it we are now at that point in the game were every single town has to vote if we want a majority, so if either schorz or hawk are town (not even both), we are already in lylo. We need 6 votes, their are six town players and if even 1 player is town but absent we cannot lynch scum. The only vote were securing today as things stand is a mislynch, unless both schorz and hawk are scum in which case we should vote for one of them because it is the surest thing we have. Tomorrow though if we opt to no lynch we might get a replacement for hawk or schorz (or both) and if that/those replacement/s is/are town we might be able to stage a comeback. Yet as things stand the only favourable outcome for town is a no lynch or if your feeling the wifome a hawk/schworz lynch. (Oh another thing I just realized, if you are voting for a town player there should be no way you can secure that lynch without mafia assistance because you are losing that town players vote and as I said we need every single town vote.) | ||
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what do we loss if we mislynch hawk? We lose an angry ex poster, and once again a potential replacement. Also none of this replacement business is probably going to be solved before todays vote, which means the only way we can secure a lynch against mafia is if both hawk and schorz are mafia, which would also mean that the only players really bussing hawk or schworz are town because I doubt only two active mafia would have much power in that regard. It's either that or we no lynch in my opinion, which still gives us hope tomorrow if we get a replacement, also if either hawk or schorz are town you wont have to worry about lynching anyone else, because regardless of who your accused is, be it matt or ech or track or whoever you think are mafia, you wont be able to lynch them without mafias help. tldr, only way I see us winning this game is if both hawk and schorz are mafia and we vote for one of them or we no lynch and hope for replacements. | ||
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On February 24 2012 23:09 GMarshal wrote: Anyone who hasn't voted at the end of this cycle (and for which we have been unable to find a replacement) will be modkilled Now we wait and see. Oh do I have to vote right now or die? | ||
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a) both schorz and hawk are mafia and we lynched a mafia: This is the best scenario but by far the riskiest, the odds of both schorz and hawk being mafia aren't great, and even then we have to just hope that the guy we lynch is 100 percent mafia, we lose one townie the next day bringing us to... Town 5 mafia 1 b) Both schorz and hawk are mafia and we no lynched: Still pretty good, no lynch is actually what I'm leaning towards because it allows us to survive in the most scenarios, we lose a townie at night bringing us to... Town 5 mafia 2 c)Both schorz and hawk are mafia and we mislynch: Still not that bad, but only an option if your sure schworz and hawk arent town: We lose one at night bringing us to 4 town 2 mafia d)Schorz is mafia and hawk is town or vice versa and we lynch mafia: not really possible unless the mafia turn against eachother. More likely we no lynch or mislynch E) schorz is mafia and hawk is town or vice versa and we no lynch: Pretty much the only way to salvage this scenario brings us to 4 town three mafia F) schorz is mafia and hawk is town or vice versa and we mislynch: GG G) Both schworz and hawk are town: ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg H) Scwhorz and hawk return and have found all the answers: Praise Cuthulu. As you guys can see a no lynch in all these scenarios (unless hawk and shcwhorz are town (in which case gg) or they've been hiding underground all this time so that they could build us a new detective and viglante) is the option that is most likely to keep us alive, in fact a successful mafia lynch is only possible if both schorz and hawk are mafia, is anyone absolutely sure of that? You will have to prove both their guilt to me before I am even willing to consider a lynch. ##Vote: No Lynch | ||
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On February 25 2012 01:04 Mattchew wrote: so heres my train of thought.. there is no way sloosh and ech are this unintelligent... they are pushing a "case" on me because I think ech is scum and I didn't vote the same way as sloosh. Sloosh has been doing this all game. At first I thought it was just tunneling but now i realize that it has gone too far. to write an entire case about me centered around me making reads and believing in them is terrible. I wrote a 10x better case on myself and I know that I'm not scum. Gum I completely understand why you want to vote in hawk or schworz but here's why i disagree with you. a. they might be mod-killed which would make our voting mean nothing b. even if they are 1 scum or 2 scum we still have to take a large risk on voting someone to win this game. Personally, I believe we should take that risk now so as not to waste our time 3 days from now when we are in the same exact situation with no one budging on their beliefs. ##vote EchelonTee Matt I dont care about your case or slooshes, we are one mislynch away from lylo, hell we could already be in lylo , please consider my next post and my motion for a no lynch. | ||
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On February 25 2012 01:29 Mattchew wrote: yeah i was gonna post about a no lynch, you also have to remember that even if they are both mafia and we no-lynch scum still gets a kill.. so you gotta subtract 1 town from your list and we are right back where we are today, tomorrow I already do that. | ||
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On February 25 2012 01:35 Steveling wrote: Your suggestion is bad gum, cause we are already in mylo. So if we don't lynch we will be down to 8 dudes. Best case scenario both lynched guys are scum. We will lose 1 more in the coming night, so we'll be down to 7 with 2 scum. Hard but doable from that position for town. Worse scenario both lynched guys are town. We lose. Most expected scenario, it's one and one for scum and town. We are down to 8 dudes, 7 with next nights kill. Takes 4 to lynch, with 3 scum, it will be nearly impossible for us to unite our votes. What I wanna say is we are in the exact same situation as today. Listen, if one of them is town and one is scum WE CAN NOT SECURE A VOTE AGAINST MAFIA because we are 5 town, not 6. The only case its safe to lynch is if both are scum, so prove to me that hawk or schworz are scum and I will gladly lend my vote to whoever. | ||
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One more scenario, we all choose not to vote, schorz or hawk or both pop up just before the deadline and vote confirming themselves as scum and saving thier own skins for a short while, we lose a townie tonight, we are 5 4 and we have no hesitation whats so ever in lynching hawk or schworz, lastly I really don't mind being in this situation tomorrow because one way or another we really wont have to worry about these wild cards. No lynch is our safest option, our worst option is just leaving 4 votes on someone, which is like asking schorz or hawk or both to jump in and cut off their neck, in which case gg we lose. | ||
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