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On February 23 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote:
in a really really shitty wifom question do you think I will die tonight? gum and sloosh's answered prefered. I have a relatively big post I could make explaining my reads on everyone in the game but it would be kind of silly to post that if I were to survive
Matt the only way you'll die tonight is if you continue pissing off the mafia(and us to a certain extent) so much that they're just like fuck it and murder you. Jokes aside I know its a fun question to ask but lets not do the mafias job for them k? They'll lynch whoever they lynch, well pick up the pieces.
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On February 23 2012 03:54 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 03:49 gumshoe wrote:On February 23 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote:
in a really really shitty wifom question do you think I will die tonight? gum and sloosh's answered prefered. I have a relatively big post I could make explaining my reads on everyone in the game but it would be kind of silly to post that if I were to survive Matt the only way you'll die tonight is if you continue pissing off the mafia(and us to a certain extent) so much that they're just like fuck it and murder you. Jokes aside I know its a fun question to ask but lets not do the mafias job for them k? They'll lynch whoever they lynch, well pick up the pieces. Yes but I want to know if I should post a "pre-death" post with thoughts and reads on everyone.
Everyone should be doing that, post it 2-1 minute/s before the night ends so the mafia cant use it.
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On February 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote:i have to go to class... wont be till after night so i guess here it is I want the WIFOM the fuck outta the somewhat off-chance of scum killing me tonight so that all it shows is that I am confirmed town and that my intentions with the "ruckus" i have stirred up were actually pro-town. These are the remaining players. Remember there are 4 mafia in there. As much as you may want to believe otherwise. Also remember that unless we have a doc or some type of blocking role, there will be 1 less town come voting time tomorrow meaning that of the 11 remaining scum will control 4 votes and town will control 7. This also means if we mis-lynch and we don't have a protecting role, it becomes 5 town to 4 scum the next day. 1. gumshoe 2. rgTheSchworz 3. Alderan 4. EchelonTee 5. Mattchew 6. Steveling 7. trackd00r 8. MidnightGladius 9. slOosh 10. Janaan 11. TKHawkins 12. zelblade First and foremost IMO these players are confirmed town in my eyes. Listen to them in times of confusion.Alderan - There is no way he would bus or bring to light that many scum with him also bringing up the first night's last hour switch. He puts a focus on a very scummy event and with no real cases anywhere to be found he brings up a lot of good discussion points with his posts Sloosh - he tunneled DYH based on meta and his own case. He blindly stuck by this and I realize that I could have his latest posts have proven him a valuable asset to town. He also could die tonight. Remember to read nothing into it other than it confirms him as town and having the right intentions with his posts. These are my town reads meaning that these players are most likely town butGumshoe - Personally I hate the length of your posts. You sometimes use 300 words to say 5. That being said you have been completely transparent this entire game, too much to be scum IMO. EchelonTee - started off aggressive and pressuring. I like it. He posts don't have any hint of heavy scum-like over thinking to them (meaning scum tend to look at their posts over and over again to make sure they aren't scummy). He also was the first to vote MG and one of the first to point suspicion of Dimmu. Scum usually hops on bandwagons and doesn't usually start them especially early in the game at any level. There is the slightest bit of doubt from me which is why he isn't in the confirmed town list. Steveling - Didn't vote Dimmu day 1 which is a bit WIFOM but also logically not scummy. He posts a pretty big case on gum and then another on tkhawk. He likes my case a lot which has kind of blinded me to reading him for real. I would value someone else's opinion on him more than my own, however for me he reads town. My leaning town but if any of my scum reads are wrong pick.Janaan - Seems extremely wishy washy but this is a newbie game. This could be him not being confident in his decisions but is someone to keep an eye on My Scum Reads Click Me Click MeI think that people are starting to see more of the light in this post. It isn't meant to be the holy grail but it has focused a lot of people to make more cases and produce more content. So far all it is done has re-affirmed my believes in these 4 being the scum team.
Just for you matt I'm gonna make all my posts EXACTLY 300 words from now on.
I encourage anyone else who makes a list like this to post it shortly before the night ends. Cases are preferred though.
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On February 23 2012 01:23 trackd00r wrote:
Ok. I woke up in a better mood now. More relaxed.
Sloosh, what do you think about our mislynch? You seemed to be so confident about lynching DYH. Do you have any thoughts regarding that? What about Alderan's case? Do you still support it after DYH flipped green?
I'm wondering what will happen to Hawk. Is he leaving? If that's the case, I'll wait for the replacement to post before I cast any votes.
Ok, I saw this exact same thing out of Zell, track I am this close to disregarding every single thing that comes out of your mouth, LOOK AT MY CASE ON HAWK, if you want to defend hawk in any way address it head on, don't skirt around it just because hawk said he's leaving, my case does not hinge on hawk leaving, though that is actually a pretty helpful piece of rage quit that suggests the accusations against him may have been too much for him to handle.
Also if hawk is not on the menu then how about zell? What do you think of him?
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On February 23 2012 05:45 trackd00r wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 04:20 gumshoe wrote:On February 23 2012 01:23 trackd00r wrote:
Ok. I woke up in a better mood now. More relaxed.
Sloosh, what do you think about our mislynch? You seemed to be so confident about lynching DYH. Do you have any thoughts regarding that? What about Alderan's case? Do you still support it after DYH flipped green?
I'm wondering what will happen to Hawk. Is he leaving? If that's the case, I'll wait for the replacement to post before I cast any votes. Ok, I saw this exact same thing out of Zell, track I am this close to disregarding every single thing that comes out of your mouth, LOOK AT MY CASE ON HAWK, if you want to defend hawk in any way address it head on, don't skirt around it just because hawk said he's leaving, my case does not hinge on hawk leaving, though that is actually a pretty helpful piece of rage quit that suggests the accusations against him may have been too much for him to handle. Also if hawk is not on the menu then how about zell? What do you think of him? Uh, I think I didn't express myself correctly with that post What I said is to wait if someone was going to replace him. If not, it would have been the removal of one player, since there are not any back up as I looked OP. In that case, it would be no point of voting for him I will vote for him he is goes on. Here is why. I just don't feel like exhausting the case any further. At the rate we are going, he will be lynched next day. But I insist that TK is probably being manipulated by his team mates by the way he is playing. This means that there has to be any kind of mastermind trying to direct his actions, like for example MidnightGladius. I've re-read DYH case on him and then looked at your defense to Matt, and I think things are making more sense now. I'll post my thoughts about MG in a while. As for zelblade, I can't get a good read of him. Checking his filter. Even though, Mattchew reads town for me. My disapproval to his earlier posts was mostly because the way he presented the case and made it's presence. Now that I'm more calm, I actually see a very good guess he is making. Maybe perhaps there is more than a reason that TK is RQing. I agree with his town reads, and I'm happy with the fact that he is constantly pushing his cases. If this continues, he can easily control the flow of the thread and can leave the mafia exposed.
You didn't, at all, the reasons you have stated here are much much better, we intend to lynch the suspect that is the biggest threat, right now thats zell, hawk as you said is pretty much gone and as for mg? Mg doesn't give a shit he sounds pretty goddamn defeated, let him lay down and die, zells not going out without a fight and I appreciate that, so well probably reward him with tomorrows lynch I guess, unless anyone can point out a suspect whose more of a threat.
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On February 23 2012 06:49 Mattchew wrote:10 minute break from class. Wanted to comment on a couple things before night hits (which I will not be around at the deadline as of now) 1. I left rgTheSchworz off my list accidentally. He belongs with Janaan in the Null/least town read section. He's smart and should be able to contribute more. His reason for voting DYH seemed like he hadn't read the thread and with his late entrance and Gum's gazillion word posts I don't blame him. If someone on my list doesn't turn up to be scum and he's still not productive he should be looked at very very carefully. This means that of those 6 I firmly believe the entire scum team is there. With the possibility of there being no medic or vig, I think we have 2 mis-lynches so we should be able to lynch all 6 before the game is through. 2. Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 03:22 gumshoe wrote:
Oh on a side note I am suspicius of anyone who accuses MITCH because at this point that is an easy get me out of trouble accusation, mafia are better off just calling him an asshole or an idiot(valid accusation btw) MITCH is playing too risky and reckless, he's attacked pretty much everyone and hasn't been shy about it . He's so frustrating that I wouldnt be surprised if he turned up dead tonight, though I doubt it, he alone isn't a threat to the mafia, its when someone like sloosh backs him up that he becomes dangerous. Leaning town. I think that this is a bad policy. If I survive and you(talking to everyone) think I (or anyone else for that matter) am scum please speak up. I think that I have shown that I will not mis-judge you because of your beliefs. Remember I am in this game too meaning that I am a newbie as well. I am just confident with my reads based on reading a lot of other games and playing in a couple others. I am active in a ton of obs threads of games I am not in as well. 3. As Gum said, everyone thinking that they may die tonight should be doing everything in their power to give out as much information for town to work with as possible. The more information we have from confirmed town the better chance we have at winning this game. 4. Finally, werewolves has ended and someone (sorry I am rushed and forget who) brought up my meta being similar to that game. I was scum in that game, however there were 2 scum teams, so I actually ended up playing the best "townie" game I have ever played because I was actually hunting the other scum team. So yes my meta is the same but that should also indicate that I AM actually hunting scum as I was in that game. Also, that was a pm, 2 scum team game, you cant make that great of a correlation to this normal game.
I was referring to accusing you at this moment -_-. As the game currently stands an attack on you would be obvious omgbus, I will change this policy if a major shift happens but if right now someone calls matts chainsaw attack ridicules, tries to refute it and proposes that we have to lynch matt tomorrow than you'll have to forgive me for being suspicious.
Also it only really applies to the people I don't trust. Oh and just pretend I added a couple hundred more words k MITCH?
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On February 23 2012 06:49 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:45 slOosh wrote:Wow this is really uncanny how Mattchew even pulled this one off. His four picks are (so far) good as individual cases. trackd00r: On February 19 2012 08:35 trackd00r wrote:
Lynch time is approaching.
ET, I just hope that you keep posting good cases like that. Even though I disagree with MG lynch, your last posts are making up my mind. I'm going to unvote by now.
On February 21 2012 05:29 trackd00r wrote:
This was careless play by my part. I tried to push a ET lynch. Half an hour before the lynch, I realized that we were about to no-lynch.
-I didn't want to hold my vote to ET because there were a couple of players that wouldn't change his vote to him by any means.
Contradiction! 1st quote: I am unvoting because he is making good cases / posts. 2nd quote: I unvoted because we couldn't lynch him on time. I'd auto vote you for this right here. Chance at redemption: Post your reads on MG and zel. They had better be good. Woah nice find. How did I miss it in my case on him, T_T. Well with all these new elements his case is now stronger even than Hawkings' lol.
Yup, there is almost no doubt in my mind that zell trap and hawk are scum, the person we lynch should be the one who puts is putting up the biggest fight, in this case thats zell. Track is now forsaking parts of his team, if you think that makes him dangerous I will lend him my vote. Yet I would like to lynch either hawk or zell because track hasnt really been doing much with his posts, just trys to look as if he's contributing, but zell and hawk have actively tried to sow dissent and cover for mg, so if we lynch one of them it all will but assure that mg is mafia and so is the other we don't lynch. Since it pretty much in line with what everyone else I've read here ill post my reads in order of confidence.
certainly -Town
Sloosh (put himself out their too early, also his conflict with ech was attacked by pretty much confirmed mafia so I'm pretty sure both him and ech are town)
Ech (too aggressive, fights too hard to survive to be scum, obviously because he knows he's right about himself)
Mattchew (too hostile while still trying to be friends with townies, scum tend to just be hostile if active and too nice if lurking, too rash but useful to be scum, may have won us the game for which he deserves credit, probably a fine strapping young chap who inspires confidence in all he meets. )
steveling: I am almost sure he's town just because I almost know mitch's case has at least two scum on it and steveling backed him up right away, why would he sell out his team so quickly? Doesn't add up, he's probably town.)
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Janaan (not too sure about)
Showrtz(hasnt posted)
Alderaan(I am the least sure of Alderaan, ill scout his filter)
scum
Hawk-(early signs indicate that he was trying to condemn active play, sow dissent, cause a mislynch/no lynch and he has no interest in improving his relation with town which means he's just trying to cruise, his suspicion of janaan all but clears janaan if he flips red)
Zell ( his goals have consistentley been in line with town, and he just so happens to be the number one omgbus player this game, check his filter, his accusations are ridicules, it sounds like hes trying to throw as much shit(excuse my quebec) at the wall just to see what sticks, which isn't town behaviour)
Mg (have no intention of seeing him lynched for a while that said I am almost sure he is scum, zell and hawks deaths will indite him beyond a shadow of a doubt, also interesting that he said he'd deal with the problem of bieng accused by both dead townies when he gets there, well he's there and he seems pretty content to just bitch and moan,)
Trak( desperate scum, wouldn't be too worried about him, watch out for him trying to accuse alderaan though, he is gonna try from now on to distance himself from zell mg and hawk while trying to swap himself with janaan schorz and alderaan, which may be the case, so don't be too hard him, he may be telling the truth. He may also start acting like dyh did come lynch time, just to make us doubt ourselves.)
Oh and last thing suspect
Gumshoe: Seriously how has this guy not been accused of being scum(except by Qatol) in the last 5 pages?
Going to walk the dog. See you come the night post.
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Well this situation sucks, but before I say anything regarding our next move I would like to spend a moment addressing two ways in which we fucked ourselves that have nothing to do with janaans mislynch, the first is this+ Show Spoiler + If you are gonna go all DYH on me too, I don't know what else to say.
I will be the first to admit that I was sure that lynching DYH ,even though I pretty much knew he was town, was the right choice, why? Because it eliminates conflict, without DYH we clear the air. Now I realize the trap, DYH's loss was a sacrifice, one we could only make once, from now on we should be wary of players who evoke his name and make similar death plights, that draw our thoughts back to that initial doubt, as a result I ask that those confronted address the issues against them rationally without trying to rely on sympathy.
the other thing?, we just witnessed the most fundamental chainsaw weakness, we all knew that it was unlikely that everyone on matt's list was scum, that was too easy, but two of them at least most certainly are. Lets not get distracted from our primary cases, we lynch hawk tomorrow, also now that we know janaan is innocent hawks tunnel on him is all the more suspicious, also I have a feeling the mafia are fucking with us by lynching janaan, they taunt us by pretty much saying "go ahead lynch hawk! Had to be him or janaan right? hahahah" I'm not buying it, we stay the course, we lynch hawk tomorrow and take it from there.
Note I will not lynch another player in his place without being given an incredibly strong case as to why this other player is a better lynch and is more of a threat.
If you suspect someone you previously trusted, ask them questions and if your 100 percent sure build a detailed case against them, otherwise idle accusations serve us no purpose. I'm talking to you sloosh, please just try talking to steve, stve please try answering all of sloosh's questions.
Once again I reafirm Hawk is our strongest case, right now we need a sure thing, we cant get distracted. I told you guys wed have to pick up the pieces didnt I? Another thing, scum are more likely to slip up in a comfortable atmosphere
Lets make things a bit more easygoing k? Zell I invite you back to help us out and prove your case, alderaan we really need to start hearing your thoughts. Track please tell us what you think of Steveling,
From now on we don't accuse anyone unless were damm sure they're mafia and the only person I am damn sure is scum is hawk, if your suspicious ASK QUESTIONS if your sure, post a detailed case going through the majority of their posts.
And no more chainsaw attacks, you can point out collaborative effort if it helps your case but a chainsaw is just begging to be torn apart like matt's was. Remember if people are mafia they will damn themselves, we lynch hawk. This isn't staying the course, this is a natural response to a powerful case that hasn't been refuted by anyone.
Sloosh can I please get your comments on my case?
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Hawk needs to be lynched next. His posts reek of trying to create conflict.
Remember his early reads? Look at the people he called suspicius.
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He is focusing suspicion on the four players who are most active and most constructive at this point in the game.
His reasonings? Sloosh:Too defensive,Ech: to offensive,DYH: jumps on mistakes (can easily just be seen pressure at this stage in the game) Jaj:Shouldve pressured someone else basically he calls all these players suspicious for active behaviour.
What really gets me is that he is accusing jaj of flashy play when jaj really isn't that bad at this point in time and his accusation of Mg was just because he felt the game was stagnating and Mg was playing too safe, also Jaj was detective so your point about him supporting flashy players because he's flashy is mute on two accounts, 1) of the four people you called suspicius Jaj is the least flashy, and 2) it was just a false accusation. What is interesting though is your assault against jaj convinientley defending flashy players convinientley backs up your implicit argument against flashy players.
Hawk is trying to cause conflict here and plant the seed of suspiciun against active players which is horrible, because if your suspiciuns are founded on whose playing flashy/active, than that means in your eyes players who continue to contribute condemn themselves more and more. If this is your stance as a town player you need to drop it right now because it's poison, but I don't think you have to worry about that because I am almost sure you are mafia.
I still stand by my suspicions of players who supported me early on purely because a) there is no risk involved in backing me up if they know I'm town and b) the move provides easy credibility if I am lynched.
your whole post begins with me.
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1) I didn't suspect gladius for the set up, I suspected gladius because he made really safe bets and was active in the thread but didn't see the need to take any risks like several other players did. You also didn't even post the second part of my anylysis which was just a few posts down
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This is very relevant information, in fact I consider it far more useful analysis than the comments on setup. You don't even mention how I pointed out that behaviour, you subtract everything except my comment on setup. I feel like you are actually playing down my suspicions and reducing them to just the comment on setup, which the following person would later say isn't really condemming:
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In all three of these he admits there is reason to suspect Mg,
but those reasons never seem to make him suspect Mg, in fact next time his comments on Mg the scum slip vanishes and is replaced with
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Notice how he keeps re-mentioning the setup? Thats because the setup argument isnt that strong alone, yet Zell continuously seems to suggest our strongest argument against Mg is the setup which really is'nt the case, our argument against mg is that he plays too soft and only attacks as he said easy targets and those who attack him.
This looks like teamwork. Hawk plays down my analysis of Mg and reduces it to me accusing Mg of commenting on the setup and Zell repeatedly mentions how this setup argument is'nt a valid basis for accusing Mg.
Also what the hell is this?
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how is this behaviour helpful to town? Also Mg has played like 1 or two games and you want to exonorate him because in his first or second game his play style was unhelpful? Cmon man, you cant be that blind. Dont worry though Zell when lynch him Mg we promise not even to bring up the setup kk?
ok that said I am making a case for Hawk not Mg or Zell, one scum at a time right?
Now moving onto the rest of that post regarding me!
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Notice how he tries to discredit me further? He says I'm scrambling to stay alive, he makes me sound like someone desperate, someone willing to say anything to live, someone you shouldn't even remotely trust a word out of because they're not in their right mind, you know who sounds like that? Scum under pressure, yet whats his next line? not scum. He says it with such authority, much better players than hawk in this game are far less convinced that I'm town, but listen to that confidence. Not scum he says bah.
Hawk accomplishes three things with this post.
1)He makes me out to be out to be witless, which suggests that he's encouraging people people not to listen to what I've said so far, in other words don't listen to my accusation of Mg.
2)He protects himself in case I'm lynched and flip green.
3)Downplays the arguments against Mg that I made by just saying its suspicious how mg comments on setup, which sets up players like Zell to continuously mention how baseless the setup accusation is in his future defences of Mg.
His assurance that I'm town lays the boundaries for his next few accusations.
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Pounces on steveling for a newbie mistake, then accuses him of suspecting me. He does a similar thing with DYH if you read back on why he's suspicious of him.
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makes himself out to be better than another player because hes less apologetic, oh hawk, you are aware that players are a bit nervous their first time right? Why you see the need to separate yourself from typically nervous new players is very interesting.
Mitch has also pointed out the several positive/null reads on zell mg and track so look back at that if you want.
Heres a nice jem that comes up. in regard to Ech
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Contradiction. earlier you say:
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now here comes the biggest reason we should suspect Hawk which is also the most obvius.
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Provides the killing blow against dimm, this is suspicius within itself, but read what he says next.
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Da fuck? Why you would leave just before you find out if the guy you just killed, is scum or not?
You are more invested than ANYONE in this result because YOU ARE THE REASON DIMM DIED! Yet you dont wait 6 seconds to find out the result? Why else would you not wait unless you already knew the outcome?
CAN I GET A PRAISE SCUMSLIP!!!!!!!
When he comes back ages later?
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He comes back and doesn't even comment on the fact that he caused a misslnch?
First time townie my ass, if he was town he would be apologizing to oblivion for causing a mislynch, instead though he attacks Janaan! A player who hasn't even seemed remotley scummy up to this point. No one has accused Janaan exept me and that was my nightmare post, Hawk is using this useless tunnel on janaan to avoid commenting on the major cases at play. His tunnel on Janaan is founded in part on Janaan being suspicious of ME, again how is hawk so confident I'm town? Hes not even considering me as mafia, why? Because he know im not. Heres my favourite high light of his post
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Umm you know who else does that...?
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You are putting suspicion on Janaan for not having a read on Mg which is something I would say you are notorious for. You are clearing yourself of suspiciun for a crime by showing how guilty someone else is for that exact same crime.
Fun fact: it is eons before you answer for the mislynch.
Oh here another defence of mg post in the meantime.
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He defends Mg by casting doubt on mg's accuser. Hello indirect support! Hello scum 101!
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I hate it when players try to shut down conversation, this is exactly what Hawk is doing here. He also makes another attempt to discredit me without accusing me. Yet thats not the gem of this post, look at the bolded part.
Look, a townie's biggest job, the job that is the hardest and burdens them all throughout the game, is the job of convincing others that they are worth listening to. Hawk does not do this. He makes no attempt to contribute in a positive way, he is very hostile and the only person he doesn't seem to really suspect... is me. Hawk is not trying to convince us to trust him. He is trying to make himself distant.
By saying I follow my own reads he is essentially saying I trust myself and no one else. Which is a horrible thing to say for a town whose job it is to convince OTHER towns.There is no humanity in his posts, he is beyond cold. This bolded part suggests that when day three roles around he will bust open a huge case and expose all the mafia. Which isnt going to happen because in scenario a) he is town and no one listens to him because he comes off as hostile and suspicious and in scenario b) he is mafia and he is trying to make his opinions as useless as possible(just like he's trying to make mine.) without seeming blatantly suspicious.
Please someone tell I am wrong on all these accounts.
Tell me how Hawk wasn't the reason a townie died.
Tell me why he is actively trying to seem so hostile to the point that we will never listen to him.
Tell me how his tunnel on Janaan is useful.
Tell me how he's so sure that I am town.
But most of all please tell me a story about why this man is not mafia. So that I can tell you a story about why you are.
##vote TKHawkins
I stand by one lynch at a time, this is the lynch. This is the start of our victory.
"Every worthwhile accomplishment, big or little, has its stages of drudgery and triumph; a beginning, a struggle and a victory."
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On February 23 2012 13:47 slOosh wrote:@gumshoe: Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 05:06 gumshoe wrote:
Tell me how Hawk wasn't the reason a townie died.
Tell me why he is actively trying to seem so hostile to the point that we will never listen to him.
Tell me how his tunnel on Janaan is useful.
Tell me how he's so sure that I am town.
But most of all please tell me a story about why this man is not mafia. So that I can tell you a story about why you are.
Read over your case, and I don't like it. You are going in with the assumption that he is mafia and interpreting everything according to that. Hawk wasn't the reason that DimmuKlok was lynched. We all wanted to avoid a no-lynch. Sure he fumbled with the votes, but its a newbie game. He came from scII land and he genuinely might not know how to vote, seeing as its his first time. Your perceived hostility of him is actually his response to Mattchew's antagonistic style. I know how mad I can get when people treat my posts condescendingly and calls them "retarded". Now, this is my second game playing, and I understand that there is an element of role playing. I can see him genuinely hurt from Matt's verbal assault - he doesn't have that tought exterior we develop playing mafia. His FOS on Janaan was wrong, but that doesn't make him scum. The reasoning he provides for suspecting Janaan is understandable. He is clear. You might not like his logic but it isn't contradictory. I can't tell you why he thinks you are town. He has to answer for himself. I'm keeping my vote on Steveling till I hear his response. Call it a gut feel but something doesn't stick right with me in his actions post night 2. However, I want more information before I can consolidate anything - offering half complete cases will just get shot down fast and coming back with a reformed case just doesn't hold that much weight. More specifically: Zelblade, Alderan , rgTheSchworz - please come in and post.
How about how he leaves for food just before the night post? Or how he tries crumbing suspicion on all the active players in the game? Or how he tried to actually pass his own crimes off on janaan? Or how he showed no interest in building reputation with town? I follow my own reads? So post your own reads and then in that case why did he vote for DYH saying he's just our best option because of a scum slip no one else has put much stock into? Or how he contradicts himself regarding ech being on his radar? The only thing not scummy about him was that he was null on mg, perhaps cause he didn't want to attract attention? Cmon man he never even addressed the mslynch until he was blamed for it and then responded hostilely. If you think theres a better pick k but don't tell me that this guy doesn't give you scummy vibes.
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On February 23 2012 22:18 Mattchew wrote:
i fucking hate to do this... but zelblade actually makes the best case. Trackd00r has been playing "nice" scum the entire game, not stepping on any toes while literally doing next to nothing the entire game. Gum, I have other reasons that I will discuss in about 12 hours why I am not voting hawk. For now know that I do not disagree with you in the slightest.
One just shows the status you the other shows echs opinions, your liable to be held accountable for opinions, cant be though for lists which makes them fishy, they don't seem too similar ) :
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27 hour deadline still stand?
##unvote TkHawkins
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On February 24 2012 03:12 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 01:32 gumshoe wrote:On February 23 2012 22:18 Mattchew wrote:
i fucking hate to do this... but zelblade actually makes the best case. Trackd00r has been playing "nice" scum the entire game, not stepping on any toes while literally doing next to nothing the entire game. Gum, I have other reasons that I will discuss in about 12 hours why I am not voting hawk. For now know that I do not disagree with you in the slightest. One just shows the status you the other shows echs opinions, your liable to be held accountable for opinions, cant be though for lists which makes them fishy, they don't seem too similar ) : I mean its just formatted differently.. Bromancipate puts that his reads are on SS in that past game... plus theres no more accountability in this game... if scum get a mislynch they win so it doesnt matter how wrong they are
True, Im rereading the game from start to finish right now, seeing if I can get a feel with a clear head, putting my vote on trak
##Vote: trackd00r
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On February 24 2012 03:45 EchelonTee wrote:Probulous posted the list in that game and didn't really comment on it. I posted my list and put some words on it. The reason I posted the list is because this game became a clusterfuck after last night's flip. This day is pretty weird. I can't help but feel that we are being played. I see two possible scenarios that we are in: 1. Mattchew is town - 2 or 3 of the remaining people from his original list are scum. People's reactions to him are largely due to their fear that Mattchew has exposed them. DYH seemed to indicate that he largely agreed with Mattchew. 2. Mattchew is scum - In this case, the team would likely be something like Mattchew, Blae/rG, Alderan, Steveling. The only reason why I think this could be the case is because something just feels fishy as hell. It might be dumb to consider these gut instincts at MYLO, but I can't shake the feeling that this game is heading towards complacency. When scum have a stranglehold over town activity, this sort of lackadaisical feeling takes hold, as it has done now. Mattchew's flashy post does remind me of TL L, but I don't know. I don't want to think Mattchew is scum, but there's just something unsettling. If MG had flipped red I wouldn't have any qualms. All the players in the game currently are pushing towards "lynch TKHawkins and trackd00r. not TK i guess since he might be modkilled but definitely trackd00r. and don't worry that nearly everyone wants trackd00r dead, Mafia is probably busing". Because that worked so well concerning the DYH lynch huh. I feel that trackd00r is the wrong play. ...Honestly I think I want to lynch Steveling. His response to mattchew's post (regardless of Mattchew's alignment) was strange; he was all like "SHIT WE WON THE GAME WITH THIS GAIZ", which was pretty contrary to how the general town felt towards it. His D1 was not good (advocate no lynch, initial post is a Lol@gumshoe). I feel that all game he has only put down reads after suspicion was pretty well established. And no one has really addressed Steveling all game. I feel like he has slipped by unnoticed while having an apperance of contribution.
##Vote: Steveling
I agree mg was the heart of Matt's accusation, but keep in mind that scum probably aren't clumped up, they're most likely spread out between your two scenarios, thats why despite this dire circumstance I still advocate one lynch at a time, because trying to find all the answers right now is a bad move. it makes sense for the mafia to buss one of their own if they're standing on both sides, having thought about I would like to see what happens with hawk before I switch my vote of track. Can someone ask the host about that? I don't know how to highlight my text green.
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Track raises a good point, we have two massive lurkers, maybe they are our best option.
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again can someone ask the host about hawk?
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On February 24 2012 04:09 GreYMisT wrote:
The Hawk situation is currently being addressed.
thank you.
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On February 24 2012 04:26 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 04:01 gumshoe wrote:
Track raises a good point, we have two massive lurkers, maybe they are our best option. no. and if you push this i will push your lynch
Calm down buddy, schorz has not posted at all, he may be our best choice. My vote is still on track though till the steve case develops a bit more.
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