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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
February 21 2012 09:47 GMT
#740
It is sad that it has come to this, but I need to die.

I mean for this to be my last post unless I see something I really want to respond to, I will still be watching the game.

slOosh - Remember: step back, take a breath, refocus, don't get timid.

ET - You are absolutely right that I have not followed the meta that I established in NMM3. I have had fun this game toying with lots of different ways of posting. From analytical defenses to emotional defenses, from general behavior analysis to long PBPAs, and trying to be a part of the action instead of holding myself apart and only presenting well thought out cases. It is this scattered approach which I think has made me ring false with so many of you. I used this game to experiment instead of sticking to my rather narrow established meta, and I think the town has suffered because of it. I apologize for that.

The Important Stuff

mattchew - I think you nailed it. You made the case that I wanted to make. I'm positive you hit 2 mafia out of 4, pretty sure you hit 3, and I wouldn't be surprised if you got all of them with that case. As for those of you who don't think that his case proves anything, I think you are wrong.

One of the hardest things for a scum team to do is to interact with each other in thread. They generally are not going to bus one another early for town cred, but they also don't want to be seen as supporting each other, lest the town catch on that they are connected. Similarly, incessant null reads on each other prove damning later if they start dying. The best way to avoid this is hard, which is to very intentionally plan interactions between members that seem legitimate. The worse way is much easier, and much more likely, especially with an inexperienced scum team, which is to avoid association with each other and/or stay very non-committal about their opinions on each other. Because it is difficult to avoid this behavior as scum, it makes it an extremely valid basis for analysis.

Midnight brings up a decent point which is that most commonly this kind of analysis is brought out after 1 or 2 scum have been killed, and you can use their filter to incriminate the rest of the scum based on who they don't refer to. And while that is true and that situation is ideal. I think that makes mattchew's case even more impressive. He found cohesive evidence against Midnight, TKHawkins, zelblade, and trackd00r, without the convenience of having a confirmed scum to start from.

I would like to add one observation of my own to your case against zelblade, matt.
On February 19 2012 23:27 zelblade wrote:
Im posting my reads in case I die tonight. I would have prefered posting this closer towards the end of night, but am posting it now as I have school tomorrow and need to go sleep now, and will not be online from around now to about 5.00 KST (+8).

Why did zelblade feel the need to point out his fear about dying last night? If he is a townie then he should realize that he was not active, trusted, or influential enough to be anywhere near the top of the mafia's hit list at this point. This leaves me with 2 possibilities. The first is that he is overcompensating for his knowledge that he won't be hit by posting his fear. The second is that he is blue and slipped up. I wouldn't even post this analysis except for the fact that I think the former is much more likely than the latter atm.



I need to die. Even if for some reason this last post convinced you of my innocence, still kill me. I will not have night2 and day3 plagued with discussion about how I wriggled out of a lynch today. Instead, the town needs to put me behind them, realize the truth of mattchew's case, and win this freaking game.

Good Luck
Guts? Determination? $5?
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
February 21 2012 23:58 GMT
#777
Mattchew, you're my hero.

Good Luck Town!

(I'll save my gg for when we win this thing, HUZZAH!)
Guts? Determination? $5?
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
February 25 2012 00:13 GMT
#1165
Well played mafia. You definitely just messed with my head. Can't believe slOosh was town.
Guts? Determination? $5?
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
February 25 2012 00:14 GMT
#1168
Yeah, ALL of us pegged Alderan as town after he defended me and attacked slOosh (who was high on our scumlists).
Guts? Determination? $5?
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
February 25 2012 00:25 GMT
#1186
The only thing that ever had me suspicious of you Alderan was when you made your original case on Dimmuklok. The way you went about that case reminded of me of ET's case on Timeasis from his last game. But I was convinced you were town after you pointed out how absurd slOosh was being by tunneling me and attacking Matt just for making a case and defending me.
Guts? Determination? $5?
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
February 25 2012 01:02 GMT
#1203
Just finished reading the scumQT. I'm impressed with Alderan. It looks like TKHawkins contributed more in his QT than in the thread ^^. I would like to say that although scum did a pretty good job, hiding among us is a lot easier when every single one of us played poorly.
Guts? Determination? $5?
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
February 25 2012 05:46 GMT
#1220
slOosh, after I pointed out how hypocritical your case against me was, did it even give you pause? At what point did you start thinking I might be town?
Guts? Determination? $5?
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
February 25 2012 08:58 GMT
#1229
Well, it wasn't all your fault. After I made my defenses and nobody seemed to be listening I got into a very frustrated and defeatist attitude. My frustration was based in my inability to get good reads on people and instead of just leaving the thread and doing something else for a while. I kept thinking that I could find something new if I just looked at the thread longer. I spent an obscene amount of time on this game before I died, but I wouldn't call half of it productive. That frustration led me to start just posting whatever was on my mind, instead of posting things that would be helpful for the town after I died. Those posts are really what solidified my lynch for ET I think.

Because I didn't have a clear view of the game when I was put on the spot to provide reads after I defended myself, I found myself scrambling to put cases together. So I ended up going after the easy targets instead of actually trying to pin down scum. At that point I really did think MG was probably scum, and I wasn't alone in that (read obsQT). But the first red flag that should have had me backing off for a second and reevaluating was that I was considering those cases as part of my defense to not get lynched. That put me in a biased starting point and makes my cases less valuable to town in the event I get lynched.

So my response to you, slOosh, is this. You may have played poorly, but I sabotaged myself by trying a new style, by spending too much time brooding over the thread, and then I reacted poorly under pressure.
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