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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 15:24 GMT
#596
also, DYH flipping either way shows nothing to my alignment
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 15:41 GMT
#600
As of right now


rgTheSchworz - lets give him a chance to post a little
DoYouHas - should be lynched today

Of these five, 2 or 3 should be the remaining scum team (+/- rg) This is who vig should shoot into in this order
Alderan
TKHawkins
trackd00r
Janaan
zelblade

Remaining Skeptical of
EchelonTee

When is night post?
anyone can answer this
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 15:45 GMT
#602
can you put it in [ date]June 22 2010 12:00 GMT[/date] format idk what HKT is
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 15:46 GMT
#604
On February 21 2012 00:35 zelblade wrote:
@matt

I have been assuming that you have finished reading since you stated here about 12 hours ago:

Show nested quote +
i changed my mind. midnight and gum are both bad lynches. gumshoe after more reading is trying really hard and is pro-town. midnight i am skeptical of but is not as good a lynch as doyouhas.

i am almost caught up on reading the thread / filters.


And no, I rather you not be modkilled, but I still want you to chime in your thoughts on the lynch candidate. A simple vote without any reasoning makes it extremely hard to hold you accountable if this turns out to be a mislynch. When questioned, you can simply reply "Oh I was just sheeping" This has no accountability and I dont like it.

And I do agree that DYH's flip shows nothing about your aglinment. And another thing, do you actually think that gumshoes points on you are valid?

To summarize this is what he points out
1) You are not mafia if DYH flips red because he pressured (not even with a vote) mannerkiss early on.
2) Im scum because I am suspisious of your posting, attacking the easy targert, and (in his mind) trying to set up a mislynch.
3) If DYH flips green you are red and need to be lynched.

Do you really find this logical? You have already said that DYH's flip says nothing about you, which I believe is true. If so, why do you think that gumshoe's post - largely based off how you are only scum if DYH flips green? I dont see how you see this as "logical".


I read DYH's filter and there are a bunch of good cases on him. That is my reason for voting him. I am accountable for my vote and my agreeing with others reads.

gumshoe is wrong but I don't think he realizes that.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 15:50 GMT
#607
your post was most logical, not his
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 15:57 GMT
#609
On February 21 2012 00:41 Mattchew wrote:
As of right now


rgTheSchworz - lets give him a chance to post a little
DoYouHas - should be lynched today

Of these five, 2 or 3 should be the remaining scum team (+/- rg) This is who vig should shoot into in this order
Alderan
TKHawkins
trackd00r
Janaan
zelblade

Remaining Skeptical of
EchelonTee



lets not lose this.. any thoughts?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 16:24 GMT
#612
please please please [ date][/date] it, this will localize it for everyone
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 16:27 GMT
#613
On February 19 2012 08:08 GreYMisT wrote:
I forgot we had ZBot and did a votecount, yay.

Gumshoe (2): DimmuKlok, Steveling
MidnightGladius (3): EchelonTee, jaj22, Mattchew
DimmuKlok (2): Gumshoe, Alderan
EchelonTee (5): Zelblade, trackd00r, blae000, MidnightGladius, TKHawkins
SlOosh (1): DoYouHas
DoYouHas (1): slOosh

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch! the day ends in less than 1 hour!


does anyone else find it really fucking weird that we went from 5 on ET to lynching DK in less than an hour?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 17:34 GMT
#618
sloosh thoughts on dis shit right hur?

i gtg for an hour ill be back

On February 21 2012 00:57 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 00:41 Mattchew wrote:
As of right now


rgTheSchworz - lets give him a chance to post a little
DoYouHas - should be lynched today

Of these five, 2 or 3 should be the remaining scum team (+/- rg) This is who vig should shoot into in this order
Alderan
TKHawkins
trackd00r
Janaan
zelblade

Remaining Skeptical of
EchelonTee



lets not lose this.. any thoughts?



On February 21 2012 01:27 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 08:08 GreYMisT wrote:
I forgot we had ZBot and did a votecount, yay.

Gumshoe (2): DimmuKlok, Steveling
MidnightGladius (3): EchelonTee, jaj22, Mattchew
DimmuKlok (2): Gumshoe, Alderan
EchelonTee (5): Zelblade, trackd00r, blae000, MidnightGladius, TKHawkins
SlOosh (1): DoYouHas
DoYouHas (1): slOosh

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch! the day ends in less than 1 hour!


does anyone else find it really fucking weird that we went from 5 on ET to lynching DK in less than an hour?

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 18:30 GMT
#626
shit, I thought we had only 5 hours until the end of the day...

wompwomp but anyway... I don't want to de-rail the DYH lynching I think it is the right play... I also don't want a long winded case by case post about anyone on my list, I will (as you should all as well) provide more information as to why people are where they are later, (probably 2 or 3 of them during the next day cycle).

you feel me?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 18:34 GMT
#628
grey can we get an answer to this

On February 20 2012 12:10 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 12:06 Mattchew wrote:
On February 20 2012 11:55 EchelonTee wrote:
Gumshoe's respond to my concerns about WIFOM & jaj is actually pretty dam logical. Gumshoe should not be lynched today. He's putting in a lot of effort; when scum do wild, crazy plans, they do so to try and make it seem like they are being constructive and such. Gumshoe actually IS putting in a lot of effort.

Mattchew, you sound A LOT like you did in Werewolves, and not at all like you sounded in TL Mafia L. Have you simply shifted your style, or are you scum?


I can't comment on ongoing games i dont think so its kinda unfair to bring that up. I do have a response to this. I am playing different then mafia L because this crowd is much less intimidating and much smaller.


Hmm... I don't know, in L you were more vocal, and your Mason-Mayor plan was pretty flashy. In this game, with less intimidating/less people, it would be a lot easier for you to speak your mind clearly, without being all lurky and posting in a short way.

Are we allowed to discuss Mattchew's previous, on-going game, Werewolves II, since he has already died in that game, or is this against the rules?

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 19:07 GMT
#631
On February 21 2012 04:03 Steveling wrote:
##Vote DoYouHas


still not doing it right... you need to bold it
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 19:09 GMT
#632
On February 21 2012 04:04 Janaan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 01:15 trackd00r wrote:
I just woke up.

On February 21 2012 00:41 Mattchew wrote:
As of right now


rgTheSchworz - lets give him a chance to post a little
DoYouHas - should be lynched today

Of these five, 2 or 3 should be the remaining scum team (+/- rg) This is who vig should shoot into in this order
Alderan
TKHawkins
trackd00r
Janaan
zelblade

Remaining Skeptical of
EchelonTee

When is night post?
anyone can answer this

I'm not expressing any thoughts you give a good reasoning behind. You should have a very good analysis to put 5 scum candidates in order to make that list. Explain why am I third at least...

Janaan, THK, what do you think about this?

Btw, night post is on tuesday, 09:00 forum time.

Regarding the DYH situation, I believe the best we can do is hold the vote to him. The only real and possibly working solution that scum can pull if DYH is red is to push other cases now. I agree with the points that Zelblade made. No one is going to jump into the spotlight and defend him.

Anyways, alderan please reply to my post. Becuase I'm switching DYH doesn't mean I'll let you off.

##Vote: DoYouHas


I just woke up as well, and I need to leave for class soon. I'll post what I can in that time, I may have to cut it off short, though.

I'd really like to see exactly why Mattchew is thinking the way he is. This post gives absolutely no context for why the 5 players he mentioned were chosen for the list, and I really don't like that one bit. Until he gives a reason, it's no more than another fairly useless list of his own personal scum reads.

I do find it interesting that this post isn't directed to the town on who to lynch, but to a vig, when we have no guarantee that a vig is in the game. Is this a scumslip revealing information on the set-up? I'm not sure.

I think that's all that I can really say about that until Mattchew gives us more reasoning for his list.


no its not a scumslip... idk if theres a vig for sure, i just assume in a normal setup there is one... its a valid assumption...I also addressed why i posted a list that way.. so read and then try again
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 19:39 GMT
#637
On February 21 2012 04:21 Alderan wrote:
Sorry for the hiatus, but I'm back, lets rock.

Ok so here's some voting analysis I did about the Day 1 vote.

In the last 30 minutes of voting 7 people Switched to Dimmuklok in this order:

Trapd00r
MidnightGladius
Zelblade
Jaj22
Sloosh
TKHawkins
EchelonTree


This is a kind of switch that I have never seen before, and what it tells me is that mafia were extremely scared to no lynch or we were previously targeting a scum member. The leader prior to the lynch was EchelonTree who was coincidentally the lynch pin in the voting (pun definitely intended).

Situation 1. Fear of no lynch: Mafia feels confident they are not being targeted in the least, and thus starts pushing whomever they feel like they can get votes on to. The only concise and irrefutable case at the time was mine on Dimmuklok so it was a perfect fit.

The voting was in dissaray, so much so that MidnightGladius even makes the comment that the only people that are going to be able to be lynched are him and EchelonTree, so we need to decide something.
Then Trapd00r leads off with the "Oh hey, Alderan's case was pretty good, lets take it into consideration now". 20 minutes later, we have a misslynch.

Situation 2. EchelonTree is scum This situation hinges around the idea that ET was leading the voting prior to the end of the day, and managed a 20 minute shift of votes to, for better or worse, let him live another day. The idea is this then (this one get's a little WIFOMy but bear with me, it's logical), mafia are scrambling, looking for any case they can get a bandwagon on, identify mine, and jump on it using the town's fear of a no lynch as leverage to save their own and lynch a towny.

Those not voting for ET that switched to Dimmuklok-
- Sloosh
- Zelblade
- EchelonTree

Note about Situation 2: Trapd00r seems more town in this situation than in Situation 1 as he had a vote cast on ET and was one of the major ET critics. Can't rule him out completely, but definitely if Situation 2 is correct he is leaning town.

Well which do you think, Alderan? Well, I think situation 1 is the most logical in that everyone pretty much knew at the time of the vote that there going to be a no lynch unless a drastic change was made, so scum supporting ET would not have created a huge movement off of him, because that can only raise suspicions. This is WIFOM of course, which is why I listed both options instead of just Scenario 1.

My next post will be analysis of Trapd00r, which should give us a nudge in the right direction about which of these cases happened.


mafia didn't and wont fear a no-lynch... Lynching is pro-town, so to see a lynch go by and no one die was probably the motivation for most people to switch their votes. Your case wasn't that good so stop patting yourself on the back for it. They lynched a lurker (which is retarded in a newbie game cause you never know how much activity your gonna get out of anyone who signs up).

I think its situation 3, 4, 5, 6... a bunch of townies saw a no-lynch and said oh shit we won't get to kill scum today. x amount of scum saw an easy hide out for a mislynch and helped it through
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 20:01 GMT
#640
ps you fucked up cause zel was voting for ET and switched
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 20:06 GMT
#641
Zelblade, trackd00r, MidnightGladius, TKHawkins

all switched from ET to Dimmu outstandingly quickly.

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 23:59 GMT
#675
hey gumshoe and ald you want some scum hunting?


DO YOU?!
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 21 2012 00:01 GMT
#676
steveling you can have in on it too
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 21 2012 00:12 GMT
#679
no... i know i was just hyping it up... I GOT SOME BIG SHIT TO THINK ABOUT

YOU WANT IT
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 21 2012 00:14 GMT
#680
its going to be the longest post in the thread
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