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On February 21 2012 02:36 kitaman27 wrote:What's the holdup Nav? Nobody around in scum irc to give suggestions?  It seems likely that a scum player would be less likely to nominate a player from there own team or approve a team with multiple scum players. If the day one or two fails, and there are two scum players in the group, that leaves only one trusted scum player for the final three days. We might be able to use this fact later on when looking at the team voting or locate a scum which votes nay to a team he was included on.
That post is why I don't want you on a team. This could just as easily have been posting the a scum QT (if you had one). Telling other scum what not do to about team selection and voting.
Sentinel and Prplhz are also partial guilty of this imo.
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kitaman27
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On February 21 2012 23:41 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 02:36 kitaman27 wrote:What's the holdup Nav? Nobody around in scum irc to give suggestions? It seems likely that a scum player would be less likely to nominate a player from there own team or approve a team with multiple scum players. If the day one or two fails, and there are two scum players in the group, that leaves only one trusted scum player for the final three days. We might be able to use this fact later on when looking at the team voting or locate a scum which votes nay to a team he was included on. That post is why I don't want you on a team. This could just as easily have been posting the a scum QT (if you had one). Telling other scum what not do to about team selection and voting. Sentinel and Prplhz are also partial guilty of this imo.
lol why in the world would I tell my "scum buddies" what to do in the thread when I could just pm them or tell them in irc? You're not making any sense right now o.O
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The current team is Team Palmar: Palmar, Dirkzor, Navillus
The current deadline to vote on Team Palmar is 23 hours from now, 22 february, 14:00 GMT (+00:00), or 22 february 23:00 KST.
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What?! No out of threa communication AT ALL. Even as scum.
I don't know if you are playing dumb are just didn't knew?
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On February 21 2012 23:50 Dirkzor wrote:
What?! No out of threa communication AT ALL. Even as scum.
I don't know if you are playing dumb are just didn't knew?
Then why would you accuse him of posting the scum a QT?
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kitaman27
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On February 21 2012 23:50 Dirkzor wrote:
What?! No out of threa communication AT ALL. Even as scum.
I don't know if you are playing dumb are just didn't knew?
oh totally missed that -_-
If that is the case, then trying to look of instances where the scum team is communicating with each other is actually a decent idea. I don't think my post really adds to the scum strategy as it was just common sense. Obviously someone isn't going to put all their eggs in one basket, sabotage the first mission, and have their entire team left out the remaining four. I'm talking more about the voting analysis as a result of this fact, by looking at team suggestions to try to eliminate possible relationships. Also, the idea that a player who nays a team that they are included on should be looked into still stands.
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Okay that sentence from me was pretty fucked up:
Correct: This could just as easily have been posted in the scum QT (if you had one).
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Chaos: You're clearly reading the thread and responding. Why not respond to my defence of your case?
Kita: I think I believe that you just didn't know. Which is a big town tell. Did you read the first resistance game?
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kitaman27
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On February 22 2012 00:15 Dirkzor wrote:
Kita: I think I believe that you just didn't know. Which is a big town tell. Did you read the first resistance game?
Nope. Been hit hard with hw the last couple days. I still might if I get a chance tomorrow.
What are your thoughts about Palmar dirk? Are you going to yay the team?
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I think I will.. It includes me and he had the same idea about navillus as I had. The only unknown for me is palmar himself.
I really liked this post from palmar.
At the same time I would not have been surprised af a town palmar had responded with: "Your're a moron and I don't need your scum vote to get my town team going"...
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lol I'm not that mean.
anyway, go yayvote my team. you will not get a better one.
Dirkzor is active, honest and dumb. That's pretty towny.
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Blazinghand
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On February 21 2012 19:47 Palmar wrote:
So what does this make me? Sadly you can't really tell much about my alignment even if my picks are good, because it makes sense for scum to pick two townies to join on the mission.
so it's either or. It makes no sense to say navillus is bad choice and thus I'm scum. Either navillus is bad choice (scum) and I'm a bad townie, or navillus is good choice and I'm scum, or the obvious and probably correct alternative Navillus is a good choice and I'm town.
Seeing as I think I've already convinced most people on TL I'm kind of good at this, you should as scum be pushing the idea that I'm scum, and thus the team can't be accepted. You can't say "Navillus looks bad, thus palmar is scum" because that makes no sense for a scum team to do. Due to the risk of town just not picking anyone from the first team if the first team fails.
So, which is it BH? Am I scum? or is navillus scum? You can't have it both ways.
Ah yes this is an accurate representation of my arguments, you have totally trounced me with your unbeatable wall
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Well I'm still not sure what exactly your problem is.
If you don't want the team to go, you must be certain that one of us is scum. So who is it?
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Blazinghand
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On February 22 2012 02:34 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 19:47 Palmar wrote:
So what does this make me? Sadly you can't really tell much about my alignment even if my picks are good, because it makes sense for scum to pick two townies to join on the mission.
so it's either or. It makes no sense to say navillus is bad choice and thus I'm scum. Either navillus is bad choice (scum) and I'm a bad townie, or navillus is good choice and I'm scum, or the obvious and probably correct alternative Navillus is a good choice and I'm town.
Seeing as I think I've already convinced most people on TL I'm kind of good at this, you should as scum be pushing the idea that I'm scum, and thus the team can't be accepted. You can't say "Navillus looks bad, thus palmar is scum" because that makes no sense for a scum team to do. Due to the risk of town just not picking anyone from the first team if the first team fails.
So, which is it BH? Am I scum? or is navillus scum? You can't have it both ways.
Ah yes this is an accurate representation of my arguments, you have totally trounced me with your unbeatable wall
Oh, no wait, you're wrong. You picked Navillus because you wanted a fall guy besides yourself. When I called you out, you decided to put some arguments forward supporting him. Navillus is NOT the 2nd most town player besides Dirkzor, and your post hoc rationalization doesn't make sense.
On February 21 2012 19:48 Palmar wrote:
This is why I'm offering my responsibility for the team. I think my choices are good, I know I'm not bad at this game, so I'm picking two people and rolling with it. The reasonable conclusion if the mission fails is that I am scum.
So, can we please just roll with this to test it?
GOD THIS IS SO BAD. This is how we know this isn't Town Palmar. Town Palmar would not let the D2 mission fail just because the D1 mission failed. He would say "hey guys I think either Dirk or Navillus is scum and here's why" rather than being like "yeah man just sub me out it's np"
Does nobody else get this?
Palmar
Seeing as I think I've already convinced most people on TL I'm kind of good at this, you should as scum be pushing the idea that I'm scum, and thus the team can't be accepted. You can't say "Navillus looks bad, thus palmar is scum" because that makes no sense for a scum team to do. Due to the risk of town just not picking anyone from the first team if the first team fails.
Emphasis mine. If there's a sabotage D1, that means of the remaining players, it's likely 4 are town and 2 are scum. that means that if you pick only people who didn't go D1 it's VERY VERY hard to pick the correct 4-man team; you basically have to identify the two scum. It's really hard, and abandoning the entire D1 team is an easy way to give up the D2 mission too.
It seems pretty obvious to me that Palmar is setting up for a sabotage D1, and trying to enable an easy sabotage D2.
And now that I've caught him he's getting all butthurt.
Come at me bro
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Blazinghand
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On February 22 2012 02:37 Palmar wrote:
Well I'm still not sure what exactly your problem is.
If you don't want the team to go, you must be certain that one of us is scum. So who is it?
Clearly you haven't been reading my posts in a reasonable fashion, and have not been trying to. I'm not here to convince you, I'm here to convince the other 5 players who matter.
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Blazinghand
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And before we get into the "well maybe Palmar doesn't understand the setup" arguments bear in mind that this is all stuff that was talked about in Resistance I, some of which was brought up by him. All these terrible town strats he's arguing-- he KNOWS they're terrible.
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at least you're now straight up calling me scum, that's an improvement.
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But if Palmar is scum do you still think Navillus is scum also?
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
Sorry if I was ambiguous before, but that was before you made all these retarded arguments and town plans lol
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