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+ there has been a lot of discussion about very little, please cut it out. | ||
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On February 07 2012 04:27 rgTheSchworz wrote: . Ooh, this is what I was looking for. OMGUS+Saying that he claiming town doesn't mean anything. Then why do you claim town? To look interesting? I'm not yet advocating blowing any lynches not KP, cuz KP are scum's property right?Very minor scumslip here. You get all jittery and angry when I vote you. FoS : Kenpachi Also ##Unvote Guess it was random after all, contrary to what some believe. RVS over. I'll look into ppl's responses to my posts and analyze them.Point was and still is to get ppl off setup talking. Posting analysis as I go. May double or triple post have fun going through all of his posts. maybe you should read through some of his old games and then come back and apologise for wasting our time. | ||
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On February 07 2012 04:30 Tobberoth wrote: So wait, it's a requirement to read up on all previous mafias everyone in the game has participated in? I think not. Why so aggressive? If you are going to vote for somebody you should at least bother to look at how their play typically looks. This can help prevent you from making bad assumptions about their posting and arriving at weak/flawed conclusions. A quick look at any of Kenpachi's games would tell you that you should ignore the townie claim and that you should not be making an issue of it. I was also amused that rgTheSchworz has put his FoS on a player that lurks heavily. Plus the KP/lynches "very minor scumslip" is ridiculous. I understand that sometimes players like to vote to get reactions and generate discussion, but i think that there have been far more votes than is necessary so far and i do not think townies should be voting early when they have next to no information or putting down place-holder votes at the start of the day. Who benefits more from being able to vote without a proper reason. Scum or town? | ||
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On February 07 2012 05:52 Jayjay54 wrote: Is he normally vocal? He normally posts about a page day1, it is not unusual for him to post very little. he is typically aggressive. he has only ever been town he absolutely hates it when you try to "meta" him. Here is a post i made when i was scum about him in a game in which he looked sorta scummy but was town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=32#630 his previous games (which you may want to look at) Election mafia (town) Tl Mafia XLVII (town) Steamship (Tl mafia 46) (town) Newbie mini mafia (town) TL Mafia XLV (town) Hammer mini Mafia (town) | ||
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On February 07 2012 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote:"layabout - For criticizing others play as being non-contributory, yet contributes nothing of substance himself". Any idea who he thinks is scum? Me either bold: evidence please Perhaps you are referring to when i said: "there has been a lot of discussion about very little, please cut it out." or maybe: "maybe you should read through some of his old games and then come back and apologise for wasting our time." i also criticised excessive early voting. i feel that you are deliberately mis-interpreting my posts. underlined: that applies to far too many people to be the basis for a lynch. In fact the content you are provided suggers that you yourself do not have a clue about who is scum. At least i have the decency to not waste peoples time with fluff or tedious walls-of-text explaining weak/stupid reads that i cannot stand by. | ||
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the names above the key are there because there was no room below the key. that picture will become my primary tool for scumhunting in this and quite likely furture games. it is similar in essence to a Nisani "node graph" but is better because it is in paint. You also prompted me to add a new section for those players that i just cannot read I present Arkham city V 2.0.1.png: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/i9O8W.png) | ||
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Radfield past games http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=52884 Election Mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212&user=52884 TL Mafia XLVIII http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=52884 TL Mafia XLVII http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281403&user=52884 Team Melee Mini Mafia - Couples Therapy http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956&user=52884 Pick Your Power Interesting! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=52884 Lord of the Rings Mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240842&user=52884 Merc Mini 2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=235762&user=52884 Closed Casket Mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973&user=52884 Pick Your Power Insane! On February 07 2012 23:18 Tunkeg wrote: I want to lynch layabout today, why? Reason 1: He have only been dicking around. Not posting anything of value (well, this is the case for many players you might say. Reason 2: He is creating "tools" for scumhunting that is totally useless (funny, yeah, maybe, depends). Exactly like he did with his Bullshit formula in Purgatory, where he was scum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=74#1464 Layabout is the first to point out anything he sees as bad, crappy, stupid etc etc. And from my limited knowledge of his play I think his scumhunting is pretty good. So for him to post such distracting crap like this I see as scummy. Reason 3 He is scared. I have called him out twice (three times counting this post) allready and he haven't talked back. What's up with that mister superaggressive? Is it because you know I am the king of tunneling, and as scum don't want this kind of attention? I think a layabout town would go straight for my throat after these posts. He is just sitting back and taking it. Come out, bring your a-game, be your obnoxious scumhunting SOB layabout townie, or face the hangman tonight as the fooling around scum layabout. #Vote: layabout remember how in student we had a little "falling out"? i think you need to remember that what happens in the thread stays in thread and you should not let your (admittedly justifiable) hatred of me make you see red where there is none. None of the reasons you have given have any relation to my alignment. layabout He is just beeing his lovely sarcastic self. Thus far he have only been posting smirk comments and useless crap. As I know him from Student mafia, he is a total prick, but that is ok, because he actually was playing a great town game. This time around he is just a useless prick. Time to step up man? I have only one rule: Be Polite. You should not have called my a prick. It's bullying. I was hoping that by ignoring you you would go away. If anything this game i have tried to be a sort-of "lovable arsehole", sure i am a bit of a prick but i am a prick with a smile.  Is this some new crap like your Bullshitformula in Purgetory where you were scum? That bullshit formula was and is an effective means to hunt scum that should be more successful than the average TL town. Why are you trying to draw parallels between my play in that game and my play in this one. I made that post because i was frustrated and had WAY too much time on my hands. In that game i threw effort at the thread, in this game i have been useless and fairly neutral in my posting. Nevertheless how is that post (the MS paint pic) indicative of my alignment? I wonder how not responding shows that i am "scared". Tunkeg you called me useless (i have been) and you criticised my bullshit formula. I didn't think it was worth responding to. You then threw a vote on me which has prompted a response but it does not contain much, because there is not a lot to say. To me it appears that Tunkeg doesn't like me, he may be trying to pressure me but i feel like he just wants to vote for the sake of it.... Speaking of which i never really explained my vote for cyber cheese. I was going to post this back on page 17 in but decided not to i have spoilered first bit because the initial discussion should not be brought up over and over, but i have left it there anyway: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote: All Your posts are utter garbage. Do I need to motivate You with a vote to help Town? Oh wait, maybe You don't want to help us? Why are You defending Kenpachi? Do you honestly think that Kenpachi's posting shows us that he is likely to be scum? The focus on him is stupid and i think we should abandon that path of thought. If i were to say: "Kurumi has not posted any tf2 related videos yet, i reckon that means that he is scum, voteKurumi" any player would be entitled to tell me that that is bullcrap and that i should not be trying to lynch you for that reason. It is not an issue of defending anybody. It is an issue of bad reasoning. That said i think that Ken is nearly always a reasonable lynch and that he is therefore easy to lynch. If we want to hunt scum pressuring Kenpachi seems like a bad way to start. Conversely, since mafia do not want us to successfully hunt scum such discussion is a good way for them to start Cyber Cheese As a player that has advocated an anti-town move i think that cyber cheese would be a far better lynch candidate. Yes that is basically it. I know its weak. But there isn't much to go on yet. (most of this has been said already) Joker does not need to claim. Joker claiming costs town a vig and has no considerable benefits -Batman cannot communicate directly with us so we cannot know if Batman intends to help town -Batman could still hit town whether or not the Joker is alive, if town is winning it makes sense for batman to kill town. -Batman could simply use DT powers to find Hugo and not kill scum (other than Hugo), which doesn't help town since -Batman would still need to kill Hugo Strange whether the Joker is alive or not On February 06 2012 16:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote: This could be a perfectly pro-town - contribute if you are town post. As a side note, if you don't want a topic discussed, add in a topic that will create discussion in it's place. It could also be an "I know my plan is useless and that following it would benefit scum but please don't just call it bad, think of another (hopefully unproductive) topic and discuss that instead" If he felt that claiming Joker was worth considering and benficial to town, it would make sense to try to discuss it and push it. Instead this post would remove his responsibility for discussing a pro-mafia move. I suppose i didn't post it because i often prepare posts and then don't post them because they aren't good enough. + Show Spoiler + You may wish to pause and think about what this means i was also wondering who would still be pushing players using the logic of "they have best useless therefore they must be scum" So far nearly every player that has been put forward to be lynched has had something in common: They have not behaved in a way that suggests that they have an above average chance of flipping scum. Most people pushing cases have been doing so not because they have substance but because of "some other reason that is probably not pro-town" + Show Spoiler [Examples of poor lynch targets] + Bill Murray Kenpachi rgtheschworz - i know some people had reasons but they were not good slardar jaybrundage layabout -_-Qualis All of that negative crap said We now have a few candidates that might actually be scum: Toad Cyber+Cheese Sheth maybe someone else | ||
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On February 08 2012 01:21 Toadesstern wrote: oh gosh it's L all over again. Yes I'm mafia and I'm going to buss all my mafia buddies to get towncred and afterwards win on my own... Too easy | ||
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On February 08 2012 01:35 Toadesstern wrote: It was a sarcastic statement refering to that L game. prot made a list that had something like 4 people in there + myself and said all 5 are mafia. I think I said all 4 other people are good lynches or pushed for them myself so I told him he's bullshitting because as a mafia I'd probably not bus so many people day1 if he really thinks the list is right. Same with your list. Sheth is a nice list and I agree with lynching him, Cybercheese is my vote and the one I'm "pushing" today. Do you really think I am mafia if you think those 2 are mafia or is that just OMGUS because I said you're my #2 ? That's the post I was referring to (not the complete list, only those with an explanation): + Show Spoiler [click me!] + On January 19 2012 12:02 Protactinium wrote: GGQ is cool. Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia. Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches. Nobody lynch him today, keke? Here's the new list of mafias. L kingjames BM Toadesstern SANDROBA Jackal bumatlarge opz chaosquo Now this list is too big for them to all be mafia, but is the best place to start. Brief explanations on the new people on the list: BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game. Toadesstern Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here? Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch. Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol. bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play. And now I'm out of time. Need to post this before I potentially bite the dust. Yes this is a double post. For some reason I am always cursed with posting when my post will end up at the bottom of a page. Why did you respond to something that isn't remotely serious with something serious when the original unserious response was a response to you yourself not being serious? i mean seriously? besides there is a difference between players that are good lynch targets and players that are actually scum. It's not my fault that there is a case against you that isn't a load of crap and that you called me scummy. On February 08 2012 01:31 Bill Murray wrote: layabout, you put me as a "poor lynch target" - have i ever received a vote this game? No but people had said that they were fine lynching you. Your behaviour this game does not make you more likely to be scum than anyone else hence you are a "poor lynch target". | ||
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or even Katina or Adam4167 or Tyran or ico? there are many players that are lurking to varying degrees, Why is Hiro scummy? his posts from game start: + Show Spoiler + On February 06 2012 08:16 hiro protagonist wrote: /confirm On February 06 2012 15:59 hiro protagonist wrote: no. also: thats why. On February 06 2012 16:04 hiro protagonist wrote: Also I would like to reiterate what Dr. H said, dont talk about batman/catwoman for now. It only distracts us from scumhunting. What are you seeing here that i am not? | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:08 Toadesstern wrote: -paraphrased- Kill Hiro because of: Meta in One game How can that which does not play, play badly? | ||
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Hit that? ![[image loading]](http://mail.is/palmar/derp.jpg) Poll: Do you want to hit that? Define "hit that" (3) Yes (1) No (0) Since he often trolls day1 and is potentially a valuable town asset likely to die n1or n2, no (0) 4 total votes Your vote: Do you want to hit that? (Vote): Yes If it's a lurker you want to lynch Tyrran might be a good choice. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [better post some reads] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lDFi3.png) | ||
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I am not feeling confident. Day1 blows. I will have to leave in an hour, is sheth/cyber the choice i have to make? | ||
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On February 08 2012 07:12 Kurumi wrote: ##unvote ##vote -_-qualis Two scummy guys both cant be scum ... Rather ... Go town ... On February 08 2012 07:22 risk.nuke wrote: ##Vote: Liquid`Sheth get your behinds into the thread and explain yourselves | ||
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On February 08 2012 07:43 Cyber_Cheese wrote: At all the votes on me: We should satisfy the neutrals town targets asap so they don't have any reason to fire randomly. You can pray they DT if you want, but It's not something I want to rely on. I still feel like someone that could kill every night might do it just because they can, and I still suspect it's more optimal than DT'ing. I expect 2-3 groups arose to take a stance on my plan: -Mafia to shut it down -The townies who are targets, out of selfishness - But that's the last I'm going to say about it. Why do you expect 3rd party roles to behave rationally or optimally? If i was immune to all night hits and could kill through protection, even if it was not optimal i would probably just use that power because i could and because the consequences for missing do not cost me much at all. Some Players may just like to kill other players. Some players might be dumb and think it's optimal. A lot of players would just choose to shoot. We cannot control 3rd party roles and they cannot send us direct messages. A qt has been mentioned: On February 08 2012 05:47 Radfield wrote: Man.... Why did you claim schworz? Please stop talking about the mason thread BM, and please stop talking about a mass claim. The Mason thread is completely unimportant, and 99.99% infiltrated by scum, which is unsurprising when it contains half the player base. If you are not in the mason circle, don't worry. I would actually post the link to the thread to stop the discussion, but can't because Joker is basically exposed in that thread. Anyways, a 15 player circle has basically no value. Toad looks decent for now, so I'm switching to Sheth. His defense was mediocre at best, and he STILL only posted his reads upon being pressed. I don't even think he voted. I'm willing to switch to cyber_cheese if need be. I'm gone for the rest of the night pretty much until lynch time. ##Vote: Sheth a few things: since it's 99.99% infiltrated with scum the only players without knowledge of it's content will be 3rd party (though they could have access to it) and the town players not in it. Since apparently the Joker has outed themselves to scum anyway perhaps you should share it? You may still think that it's not worth outing the Joker but it would be nice if someone could shed some light on this whole "mason/neighbour" thing since the majority of players that will not know about it will be town-aligned. | ||
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On February 07 2012 23:05 Kurumi wrote: + Show Spoiler [snipped] + Palmar, drop layabout to the scum list and it looks fine by me. And Toad could get to the Town section, because he is a mix of bored, drunk and honest townie at once. And he calls Batman badman for some reason. Like the hell. Also, because it's still Day 1 I want to bring up two things: Roles can have variations (something like paranoid doc or cop, etc) and we have traitors here On January 24 2012 14:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Insane inmates You are a insane beyond belief. As such you killed a tyger security guard and decided to wear his clothes. Basically, any Detective checks on you will mark you as a Tyger Security Guard . As you are now donned in the security guards uniform, you subject other inmates to the same punishments the guards gave to you. You win with the inmates even though you hate them. You also don't realize just how insane you are and as such think you are a regular inmate. Note: Some names appear under 2 categories. These players will have to decide to be one or the other for their role. They are not both. Some roles might also have slight alterations to the "standard" although nothing game breaking. Not all names listed are guarenteed to be in this game, however only names listed will be in this game. Each role, much like Asylum, will have unique flavour text to make the gf style roles have more fun with the game. See Arkham Asylum for flavour text examples that I used for when you submit your role choice. So during free time when You feel like actively lurking at least search for breadcrumbs from Traitors, if they exist. As role variations I guess sanity cops, suiciding vigs and maybe paranoid docs (protect+rb) Okay, enough of my setup rabble. I thought it's relevant to bring that to people so we know where are we standing. Yes, I know that discussing setup is the thing I've done the most. Oh well. I think Palmar is getting less bored and more productive.. at least hope he does. Also, HUGE FoS on WBG on getting the Schworz case back (First Toad then quick switch to him). This lynch is going to reach the level of absurd amazingxckd lynch got in one of the games I played. He claimed DT and was against guy who wrote nothing to defend himself and got lynched. At least gtrsrs got iGrok hung. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850¤tpage=22#432 The biggest part is pushing arguement saying "Claiming day 1 is ok and it's by no means anti-town" Also: Two shady people support wbg: BillMurray (although: he voted for Kenpachi first, no reaction till now) DoctorHelvetica Look: There's NO POINT in defending Kenpachi Everyone who defends him tries to prove that claiming day 1, be it false or not is not bad and does not give any info about his alignment THIS IS FALSE. This is also trying to drive attention off Kenpachi. Schworz looks like new, irratiated town to me. Why? Because I was IN THE SAME FUCKING SPOT. Also, his actions make sense. Schworz is Town. People I think are mafia: Cyber_Cheese DoctorHelvetica -_-Qualis wherebugsgo Kenpachi Probably Mafia: Layabout I haven't looked into Sheth case. Give me some time. thinks CC is mafia On February 08 2012 07:34 Kurumi wrote: I am afraid because i have no time and my targets are not exactly the candidates Didnt look into sheth or cc too much is vote wbg if it would matter but it doesnt so i voted qualis because he is my strong scum read too didn't look into CC much ... | ||
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Also layabout, stop posting your goddamn reads on every player. When you post stuff on every player in the game (like that chart) you are bound to get manipulated It's why a lot of vets say don't seed the thread with your town reads; what's it going to accomplish? If they're actually scum they'll be delighted to be called town, and if they're town then scum will kill them because too many people think they're town. Tedious shit: I mostly wanted to show off the batman logo i drew. if you wish to mindfuck me simply post as if you are intelligent and i will likely just decide that you are town. (i am looking at you LSB!  )Relevant shit: Sheth has reacted by putting in some effort like a town player would. He doesn't look great but he doesn't look all that bad Cyber cheese has yet to make himself look green at all and still focuses on 3rd party roles. His actions indicate anti-town intentions. I will be leaving my vote on Cyber_Cheese I hope that you find and lynch scum while i sleep. | ||
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##Vote: Kurumi i do not want town blood on my hands! These lynches suck | ||
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We could also have claims confirmed or even have additional claims. We should have a lot more information in the morning. Because of this i do not planning to lynch one of Jackal/Palmar tomorrow will be productive, deciding the lynch based on claims now would also be really bad for the town atmosphere. | ||
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On February 09 2012 05:33 Palmar wrote: I got this, I'll post an explanation in the QT. We're picking shit up tomorrow. Just shut up for now. you just claimed that you could message each other privately.. | ||
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Lurkers are hard to read by nature as they do not produce content that can be analysed. Players that provide content can be more easily analysed, and can be more easily read. (which some exceptions) Because of this it is likely that players that shoot based off of their reads will be shooting into active players. (mainly 3rd party and vig's). Scum are unlikey to kill lurkers because town players that lurk are (generally) less threatening to scum than town players that try to contribute. We need to be weary of only focusing on/only firing into active players especially as we seem to have outed quite a number of our power roles and we cannot rely on them living for very long. Don't shoot into the active players unless you have a strong read, you can make a better decision later on. | ||
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On February 09 2012 06:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: if it wasn't there would be a large # of modkills at this point. | ||
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On February 09 2012 08:18 Jayjay54 wrote: you don't care what anyone thinks, which makes you useless. no it doesn't. | ||
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On February 08 2012 18:56 Tunkeg wrote: Also this might just become my trademark. You've allready seen one scum in this game (read layabout) back down from a fight with me because of all the unwanted attention it gets. And he wouldn't back down from a fight otherwise. Back up your accusations or stop calling me scum. The risk reward stuff is crap, other people's play can be frustrating but if you are town then you have to learn to deal with it Playing in a manner that frustrates others is not scummy. It is likely that such players will be in every game and if you cannot play well around them... you will never play well. How do you not see the harm in unreasonably pursuing another player on the basis that they are frustrating you (if you are town). The likely outcome is two dead town, you and your target. One or both of you could be blue. Since you have provided no reasoning, if you did mange to kill chaoser and he flipped red it would be because of dumb luck. I also feel that you have mis-handled the issue with Dr.H, the "argument" and "opinion" about a joker claim. Dr.H explained why a joker claim was a bad idea, he gave clear reasons as to why the alternative was better and why the Joker claim would hurt town. Your response was: "i disagree". ( i know you tried to explain yourself but come on: Well, both your way, Dr H's way and my way might all be viable strategies for Batman, it depends on many things though. You had a layout for optimal Batman play, and I had one as well But I do not know what Batman will chose, and therefor I write that all three choices are viable strategies. Since the argument is about what is optimal, you cannot say, well this is viable and this is viable so i think we can just disagree. It is something that can be argued and a conclusion could have been reached. Instead you try to say that everyone is entitled to an opinion and then refuse to change you own one. If that was your stance you should never have entered into that discussion in the first place. I responded to your case and you response was fairly open confusion The difference here is that you haven't done anything worthwhile. I am not sure how to interpret your reply to me here, I was both hoping and fearing at the same time that you would come out guns a blazing at me. Hoping because that somehow would show that you didn't fear getting into a attention seeking fight, fearing because it might have caused me to tunnel you forever. This calm collected answer worries me... I am not sure how to procede here. My vote stays on you for now. Convice me otherwise by doing some good posts. Don't think you can continue to call me scum after i refuted your arguments and you reacted by not contesting my response but instead posting that you did not know how to interpret my post. Rather than looking at what i had said and trying to analyse it, it seems to me that you expected me to react aggressively if i was town, and you would judge me based upon how aggressive i was. Since i did not react the way you anticipated me to you were unsure of what to conclude. Thing is you really haven't brought forth any arguments after this. So tell me why am i still on your scumlist? Why would you hope that i would drag you into an attention seeking fight? It seems that you expected me to react that way as town. Are you disappointed that i didn't? Did you expect that because you know i am town? A fight is not the best way for a townie to respond to a case against them, It derails discussion and distracts from our day1 goals. It harms the town atmosphere. You should not being trying to start them Your interactions with chaoser stink of bad play. You begin by attacking him with a metaphor (which is silly). You continue this for a few posts, then you just generally say he is posting bullshit. You say that you liked CC joker claim and choose to vote for sheth over him. You say you still think i am scummy for "still not convincing you that i am town" and am thus your strongest read. (which is horrible logic, you cannot expect all town players to show that they are town on day1, the huge number of null reads you should have had should be proof enough of this) + Show Spoiler [here] + On February 08 2012 07:23 Tunkeg wrote: So, this is going to be between Sheth and CC then (and perhaps rgST, but I am not voting for a claimer tonight, that would be like doing scum a favor, rgST will be killed off soon enough, and in the meanwhile he needs to post his checks and his findings to keep pressure on scum, or reveal himself as a scum (unless he is the scum DT ofcourse). On one hand you have CC who have done the rgST push and started the Joker Claim thing. After awhile it was pretty much me and DrH going back and forth on it, CC leaving me high and dry pretty much. I still belive that Joker claim would be pro-town, but CC might had a hidden plan (that I don't see) in getting me or anyone else going along with this plan lynched (meaning he is scum) or he is Batman (wanting the easy kill on Joker). For Sheth he haven't posted anything that I consider pro-town yet. He flip-flopped on the whole Joker thing, and as soon as he got attention from DrH he just switched 180 around. Am I sold that anyone of them is scum. No, not at all, would I be more content with lynching layabout, yes indeed (he haven't convinced me he is town, and still is my strongest read). Will I make my vote count? Yes, and I will swing it on Sheth, as I think it is more likely that he is scum than CC. ##Vote Liquid`Sheth then this + Show Spoiler [click] + On February 08 2012 17:59 Tunkeg wrote: So CC was town and was pro Joker Claim, that makes us two townies out of two who favored the Joker Claim. I belive the scum team also see the plan as pro town and therefor sent one of theirs to shut down the plan. DrH are you scum? Or would that be to obvious. I think you are scum. Next chaoser you are a clueless jerk, you have earned yourself a spot on the Tunkeg tunneling train, I will have my vote on you for as long as either of us are in the game. If I had a vig shot I would use it on you. You were wrong about CC, and you are wrong about me. You got shit for logic, you came late and just crapped all over the thread. You are either scum or very expendable. Its either you or me, someone have to go, I'm fine either way. Layabout is still my secound choice as scum, for all the reasons I have said before. He doesn't look like town layabout and if the shoe doesn't fit, well, he is scum. Bill Murray is also probably scummy, all of his claiming and masoning posts are just confusing (though very entertaining). So my hit list in order of priority is: chaoser layabout DrH BillMurray You call Dr.H scum for trying to stop the Joker claiming on day 1. Even though earlier you had been quick to say that his suggestion for what to do was an valid opinion to have, now you call him scum for it. Thinking that a day1 Joker claim is bad is not scummy, it's common sense. Furthermore you can expect players, particularly experienced players to post sensibly about plans as both town and scum, since plans rarely come to anything but are easy to post about without having to push your agenda. Sometimes players will propose bad plans to push their agenda, but if they do so you have to catch them, and explain why their plan is pro-Mafia very clearly since players can have very split opinions about the values of plans even after the game. + Show Spoiler + In hammer mini mafia there were an number of plans about vote-trading discussed during and after the game but no clear conclusion was reached. This differs from the Joker claim situation because the vote-trade situation was far more complex You then call Chaoser a name. You commit to tunnelling him. Why? Because he was wrong about CC's alignment and because he is "wrong about you". You then call his logic shit (with no explanation) and say he is scum or expendable. You go further a say "it's you or me, someone have to go". You do not explain how his actions are scummy. You do not back up your criticisms. You then call me scummy but provide no new reasons. (bringing your valid reason total to still zero). Next you say BM is scummy for being confusing. Earlier you had posted this: On February 08 2012 02:45 Tunkeg wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2012 02:39 Bill Murray wrote: hahaha, tunkeg, my boy, sit down and watch the pro at work there is this thing called having your medics protect different people (like me!) there is a thing called coordinating your vigilantes so they dont hit the same people there is a thing called a detective check if we massclaim (and im trying to get you all to see we should) we actually will have more KP than the mafia, + lynch and batman... how is that bad? i ALREADY have a giant crosshair on me, furthermore. I would be killed off just as easily as someone like Radfield, due to my scumhunting prowess later in the game via votecounting analysis. I like your style. You make this game intersting indeed. But I don't like it from a town perspective. I think your claim is just so annoyingly confusing. You make a halfassed claim that is impossible for anyone to verify, you could just as well be scum with a crazy plan or Batman/CW doing something crazy. I am not sure if I am right about this, but my thoughts are that if you are going to claim anything, then at least do us the courtesy to claim it in full. Apparently you find his posts "annoyingly confusing" and and you think he "lacks courtesy". You do not explain how this is scummy. Also this might just become my trademark. You've allready seen one scum in this game (read layabout) back down from a fight with me because of all the unwanted attention it gets. And he wouldn't back down from a fight otherwise. I do not think your approach to the game is good. I do not see what i can accomplish by fighting you in the thread. What could town possibly gain from me arguing that you are wrong or me calling you stupid? + If i didn't want attention why would i post ms. paint pics, polls and jovial crap? + who in their right mind would actually focus on that garbage? Tunkeg: Please cut out posts like this + Show Spoiler + On February 09 2012 05:15 Tunkeg wrote: You are an asshole. But tell me why it is impossible then mr scum! Right now your pursuit of Chaoser is anti-town. | ||
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On February 09 2012 08:28 Jayjay54 wrote: yea silly me, lying to town is always helpful to town. maybe we have a different understanding of town play. yes silly you. not caring what other people think =/= being useless that is all | ||
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On February 09 2012 08:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: + Show Spoiler [snip] + Wow you guys are really fucking new at this game if you think you're gonna lynch somebody because a mason exists. Jackal58 is zsasz, the vigilante mason. He invited players to a phone network. This is common in PM games. The OP EVEN STATES that some roles might be able to PM. It is not a totally open set-up, it is already proven that some power roles in this game have hidden powers that are not stated in the OP. I'd guess that all of them do. - zsasz in the game, explains the "phone network" flavor I'm guessing the people who got upset about it were town since it's likely mafia already knew about the QT and nobody blew up on me when I mentioned it several times. Need to catch up heore, only one two-face can be real. It's probably rG I think. As mafia, i would almost certainly pretend to have not known about the QT, since mafia 99% about the QT, openly complaining about it being hidden from you seems like a cheap way to buy town cred. Nobody in town should be openly speculating about who they think the town blues are when the non-town players are deciding who to shoot. | ||
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On February 09 2012 09:14 Jayjay54 wrote: @doc: thanks for finally clearing that up. Should have been done long ago if you ask me, since mafia seems to already have this input. @laya: not caring what other people think = being useless! This is a team game. Even more so. It is a voting game. You have to convice others that you are innocent and that your cases are true. Basically, this game is all about caring what other people think about you. Lying and deceiving your team is not good town play. The only thing it does is help your scum play in other games more legit. going to sleep, it's about time. see you tomorrow. good luck shooting, vets. Look at that thinking. If I | ||
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On February 09 2012 09:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Seems like you'd say "There's a mason qt? Why has no one mentioned this guys explain" instead of "wow you're scum or fuck BC this game this shit isn't in the rules blahblahblah" Mafia pay more attention to the rules and details than anybody. Anything is WIFOM if you read into it enough. Bolded: what i thought you were talking about Underlined: what it seems you were talking about Italicised: Please don't write stuff like that | ||
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On February 10 2012 01:06 rgTheSchworz wrote: Why Doc is blue, can you explain please? Why don't you read the mess of a thread that you have helped trash? I think i will vote for sheth but i am going to re-read and | ||
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On February 10 2012 01:24 rgTheSchworz wrote: I know Palmar's role, as everyone does now, but what Toad says is a mystery for now. He says DocH, which would be Clayface, knows about his role PM. Toad claimed vig, and that he shot Kenpachi. Catwoman didn't shoot last night if Toad tells the truth. Why? 2 mafia kills.I have been Medic'd and saved. By Ockam's Razor this accounts for all the scum KP. SO IF I DIDN'T SHOOT TOAD LAST NIGHT, WHY WOULD I BE CATWOMAN? Don't you just hate it when somebody feels the need to cite occam's razor? | ||
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On February 10 2012 01:34 Jayjay54 wrote: If you look at my filter, you'll see that I made a case against doc. I also voted him. I have no motive to just randomly step up and say he's legit when I thought he was scum all game long. It makes me look bad. However, I do. I won't say the word and toads role for obvious reasons. But it's legit which makes your check look wrong. That's why your a priority lynch target now. congratz. But fear not. If your catfood anyway, you will die to her and not to us. Today, we lynch Sheth. Is this ANOTHER claim? | ||
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On February 10 2012 01:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: Yea...Palm my bad....I'm up to where DocH claims clayface....and you claim Joker, and Radfield says he's not the Batman... Batman, can you please kill the penguin....I payed respects at the site of your parents death... can you cut this out or explain yourself? | ||
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On February 10 2012 01:44 Jayjay54 wrote: no. I just don't want to add additional information to Toad and Doc. then why do write "But it's legit " when a VT should not be able to know if "it's legit"? | ||
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On February 10 2012 01:54 Jayjay54 wrote: you are the guy who fishes like all the time aren't you? I am not saying I am VT, I am also not saying I am blue. I am not saying anything at all. Those two honeys talked enough that I could find the codeword and deduct toads identity. For obvious reasons, I won't tell it. If you give it some thought, you can probably find it, too. And no this is no crumbing that I am hugo :D you are the guy who fishes like all the time aren't you? back it up or shuttup If you are town you should share information. If you have a role and claiming is bad don't do it but if you have found something that confirms town share it with other town! If they are confirmed 100% in the thread because of so codewords or whatever crap them why don't you make yourself useful and post it? scum can find it if it's there Since their legitimacy is pretty relevant to any decisions we have to make about them + rg you shouldn't be telling others to "try to find it themselves" when you save them the effort by just posting it. | ||
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On February 10 2012 02:13 Palmar wrote: I'm all for someone shooting layabout tonight. In addition to obvious targets like Kitaman, Hiro, VisceraEyes etc. I claim TWAT WITH PLAYER/ROLE LIST THAT DOESN'T WANT TO SHARE IT. | ||
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Hiro Proagonist or Evantrees? Hiro has been awfully quiet and has promised analysis but not delivered. My activity has been low due to RL. Dont worry, these issues are being handled in a timely manner, and you will have regular activity from me ASAP. If I fail this, lynch or shoot me. Turkeg needs to die because he is scum. Should he and I live though the night, I will write an analysis on him come morning but he does not appear to be a moron. I need to die because I dont want to be reading this bullshit anymore, and I don't have the time needed to devout to helping foster a better town atmosphere right now. I wanted to sit back and catch scum when I find them and not have to be here all the time to guide dumb townies -__- People need to listen to layabout more. Evan has promised nothing and delivered nothing except for unhelpful posts about the setup. Proper voting format is ##vote name BC do you care if there are : in there? From active list of games it is apparently a "normal" game. Ongoing Game List - Updated Feb 8 [T][I] Sleeper Cell 2 - 9/15 alive; due to end Feb 12 - Feb 18 (iGrok is host; Greymist is cohost) [M][N] Normal Mini Mafia I - 8/12 alive; due to end Feb 11 - Feb 16 (GMarshal is host; redFF is cohost) [N] BC's Arkham City - 30/31 alive; due to end Feb 18 - Feb 28 (BloodyC0bbler is host; Curu is cohost) I though it was themed but apparently not. What is the difference exactly? Themed just get super crazy? his lynch talk: Bah good enough. ##Vote Cyber_Cheese I have no problem voting for someone based on getting utter nonsense from them. Lets hear something Schworz, until them. ##Vote rgTheSchworz neither are town assets. | ||
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On February 10 2012 07:03 evantrees wrote: @layabout and Jayjay54 any questions while I try to organize my thoughs on this mess and read the phone QT. What did your check return? Which players do you think are hurting town the most? Which players do you think are pushing a scum agenda? Which players do you think are scum? | ||
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On February 10 2012 08:10 Kurumi wrote: Also Viscera, WBG is voting me because I accussed him of being scum day 1 and actually was right, but Sheth made puppy eyes and I doubted my ability to play this game. Fuck puppy eyes that was your best move. Do not go back on it. | ||
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On February 11 2012 00:22 Palmar wrote: a) I did not claim Two-Face. Stop Lying. b) While I cannot say anything about my role, I can tell you that the people my hits cannot penetrate are listed. The Mafia vet is not among them. It's the same four vets as catwoman and batman cannot hit, along with catwoman and batman themselves. I did not build any narrative, and his flip has nothing to do with anything. You're being intentionally thick, you're trying to link together things that aren't linked for your own gain. You basically confirmed yourself as scum. The entire "narrative" is: Radfield has a red DT check on Sheth. We lynch Sheth, which is normally the obvious play. The only thing I added to this is: Radfield cannot be Red because I hit him. So doing the obvious play is even more obvious. But at this point I'd be fine with lynching you instead of Sheth. On February 09 2012 02:19 Palmar wrote: I claim two-face too, you see, the role is shared between two people who are basically masons. That's why I told Toad he was dumb. I threw some suspicion on him day 1 without ever intending to lynch him (we're confirmed town to each other, obviously). Also I told him not to claim, but he refused to listen to that. He's the "good" part (DT) and I'm the "bad" part (vigilante) So yeah, I can confirm Toad's claim. Does anybody think that this is acceptable? | ||
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On February 11 2012 01:40 kitaman27 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2012 01:17 rgTheSchworz wrote: Fuck it, lynch me if you will, but either you re CW and trying to test me if I am Two-Face, or you play surprisingly bad as town. CW is my humble opinion. I think you thought I was extremely stupid to claim Two-Face, and you would put it beyond noobiness or whatever and FORGOT even to DT me in your efforts to appear town. So now, I am not even sure if I die tonight. You sure do like to talk about catwomen don't you :/ On February 10 2012 04:48 rgTheSchworz wrote: So, the check should be real. However, you can just ignore it, Rad s check hasn t been scoffed at as was mine. You've dodged the question 3-4 times now. DrH said that all dt's return role not alignment to dt checks. You gave us a alignment, but not a role. Could you please respond? You're not being very transparent right now. BM, for someone who mentioned how he couldn't wait to roll town, you sure haven't done much scumhunting. You also mentioned that you rarely read the thread as scum. It takes more than a name claim to prove you are town. @Palmar. I like a chaoser lynch too. He appeared to have something invested in the CC day one lynch, although we will have to probably wait to see if Sheth's flip makes that relevant. Kurumi, day one you claimed vigilante, but the number of possible roles you could be is running pretty thin. I think we need to revisit your name claim in the near future. Did I miss anyone who claimed a hit? Jackal - Mafia kp DrH- ?? Radfield- ?? schworz- ?? kenpachi - Harley Quinn Slardar - Penguin Kitaman, do you agree with the points that Palmar makes here: On February 11 2012 01:03 Palmar wrote: + Show Spoiler + Actually fuck it. ##Unvote Sheth ##Vote Chaoser Bitch got greedy, now bitch gonna pay. Let's consider all the possible scenarios involving Radfield, Chaoser and Sheth. I am ignoring the scenarios where Radfield is lying about the DT check, because Sheth will flip sooner or later, and if he flips neither Scum nor Miller, Radfield is fucked. That makes no sense no matter what Radfield's alignment is. So, the possibilities are: 1. Sheth is scum, Chaoser is scum Looking at the interactions here, I don't think this is the case. If it is it's surprisingly good scum play from both of them. Chaosers direct push to actually lynch Sheth while keeping open the possibility of Sheth flipping miller would be a ridiculously powerful play to absolve him of any "knowledge" about the flip. I have almost no reason to believe this is the case. 2. Sheth is scum, Chaoser is town This is a possibility, but why on earth is Chaoser focusing so hard on creating later opportunities for lynches? Why would he write something like this: Either Sheth flips mafia or he doesn't and then we kill radfield/you/rg. No big problem lol. If he thinks Sheth will actually flip scum??? If sheth flips scum shouldn't the people campaigning for his death day 1 (me) and bringing in the DT check from day 2 (Radfield) be the last people you want to lynch? Most townies in this game feel good lynching Sheth because they believe Radfield's DT claim, because... well... it makes sense to believe it. It's okay to consider the possibility, But if chaoser is town, he would have to take a stance. a) I think sheth is town, and thus I won't vote for him or b) I think sheth is scum and thus I will vote for him. Sheth is Miller, Chaoser is town Surprisingly, this is EXACTLY the same scenario as the one before. If chaoser is town he has no reason to distrust Radfield's DT claim, it's simply not logical to think Radfield is lying. Thus the ONLY reason one would ever not lynch Sheth is if you have a strong reason to believe he's town, and thus miller. Chaoser hasn't produced any such reasons. He seems to be perfectly happy with lynching Sheth. this is a contradiction because if he had a strong reason to believe Sheth will flip miller, he'd also have a strong reason to try and turn his wagon around. But he's fine with Sheth dying, he just wants to make sure the wrong people get incriminated for it. Incidentally, I now have a real strong reason to believe Sheth will flip town. Chaoser kindly provided me with it. Sheth is Miller, Chaoser is Scum This is what's going on. Chaoser, as I've stated is perfectly fine with killing Sheth. But for some reason, he seems to be particularly interested what happens if he flips Miller. Only in this situation does it make sense for chaoser to try to incriminate for example Radfield (not to mention myself, who has nothing to do with the situation, except telling people Radfield isn't scum). Why would Radfield need to be lynched, but only if sheth flips miller? Chaoser says this straight up here: On February 10 2012 23:00 chaoser wrote: If Sheth doesn't flip mafia then the scenario you've been pushing as the real narrative all falls down. Either Sheth flips mafia or he doesn't and then we kill radfield/you/rg. No big problem lol. Please read this. Chaoser is literally putting the burden of telling apart millers and scum on Radfield's shoulders, and threatening a lynch if he fails. And somehow I'm in there too, probably because I gave the information Radfield is not scum (but 3rd party). Because I can't stress this enough: Sheth flipping scum or miller cannot have any impact on reads on Radfield (and me or other people pushing his lynch). We're lynching him based on a DT check we have a reason to believe. That DT check makes no difference between millers and scum, thus him flipping miller says nothing about the people who want him dead. and yet Chaoser is perfectly fine with pushing that terrible logic. This makes no sense if he's town. If he's town, he's just as responsible as me or Radfield or anyone else voting for sheth for killing sheth. If he thinks Sheth will flip scum, he should be supporting me and radfield. If he doesn't he should be opposing us. He's doing neither. He's supporting killing sheth, while setting Radfield and I up for a lynch later in the game, based on sheth flipping miller. This is not a difficult decision. I think I've proven beyond any reasonable doubt that Chaoser is scum. I will die tonight. Batman will shoot me. Please, please, please follow my lead and kill chaoser off instead of sheth. This will be a hard lynch. The mafia will be actively fighting it. But we _need_ to get it right. Don't allow fear to stop you. The lines will be drawn here. Don't be the sheep town that goes with the easy lynch. If every townie reads this, realizes I'm fucking right, and then makes a stand. It will be VERY easy to pick out the mafia. Do the right thing. Chaoser is scum ##Vote Chaoser | ||
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On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote: ##Unvote Liquid'Sheth ##Vote chaoser I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:11 Toadesstern wrote: what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list. How is that a ninja vote. you didn't announce your vote hence it's a "ninja vote" also, not lynching sheth today would be fucking stupid | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:24 Toadesstern wrote: my post from earlier when I was talking with schworz: How is it a ninja vote? If you are talking about the fact that I didn't mention Chaoser earlier fine, can't do a thing about it and I surly won't just post a list of all names from now on on day-1's to make sure I am allowed to vote someone. But I'm pretty sure I mentioned you earlier as well. At least I said something along the lines that I don't like or. Not sure though. I'm not going to go trough my massive filter just because of that ;p Stop trying to discuss this. Post something that is coherent and pro-town. And put your vote back on sheth. | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote: 1. Everyone stays on Sheth 2. Lynch Radfield tomorrow if Sheth flips town and not a miller(insane inmate) 3. ??? 4. Profit. We're already on the winning path guys, no need to deviate. Don't fix what's not broken. fixed | ||
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You have so many good targets. Sladadr's reaction to discovering the existence of the phonebooth "if that's real then i want out of the game" and subsequent comments that indicated he hadn't really read the OP made him look so green i would assume the mafia shot him because he was clearly town. Additionally most of the active players are making the atmosphere worse and the lurkers aren't threatening mafia so a player that is obviously town would have been a good shot over nearly anybody else. | ||
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On February 11 2012 20:19 Palmar wrote: no, penguin claimed the hit on slardar. Which means we have a bad penguin, because of what layabout said above. I hope you are lying again | ||
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Maybe you quoted the wrong post? Because i saw this: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/O6BLU.png) I will write something about Kitaman and post it later i when i have the time to do so. | ||
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On February 12 2012 05:23 Kurumi wrote: I never thought I'd put someone else than aprudds on my insta vigilante list. Can you please explain your play in this entire game. I see no pro-town motives in any of your posts. yet you have about 10% of all posts since this 31 player game started. | ||
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On February 12 2012 05:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There aren't any. He started by lying and now he and Palmar are confusing everyone and called Toades lying scum when I know that he isn't. I don't think the two of them can make enough noise for people to get how much they've lied though. (Kurumi) Also if you filter him you notice that he is quick to invent reasons and poorly justify his reads on day1 but that since then he has spent roughly 100 posts just making unsupported accusations. If he does have proper reads he hasn't made much of an effort to make them known or to convince other people that he is correct. | ||
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On February 07 2012 02:39 kitaman27 wrote: Funny how you step in to shoot down the setup discussion, yet don't bring up a topic yourself. I've got a bad scum habit of criticizing bad town discussion without contributing myself  Kitaman has persistently called upon players to provide alternate discussion topics and not to criticise bad town discussion. He has provided very little in the way of scumhunting, and very little in the way of alternate and productive discusion topics. so he begins the game with something strange + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2012 01:31 kitaman27 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Scum would love it if we outed the Joker. That means batman would be blue shooting instead of scum shooting night one. Toad said it best. Batman should be shooting scum suspects to find Hugo. It is much more likely the scum team to take care of the joker with a night hit than it is for Hugo to die from a vig hit. In addition, if Batman is cornered into a lynch and is forced to claim his hits, the town is much more likely to spare him if he has a scum shot on his resume, than if he has a list of blues that he has hit. Just look at LoTR mafia with how willing the town was to work with chaoser after he shot radfield. Catwoman should also consider shooting into scum early to ensure she will survive late game. The only setup speculation worth talking about seems to be the choices certain blue players have. Assuming they are standard roles, I'd prioritize dt over vig obviously. I'd probably select medic over vig as well, but with two scum players holding a kp, vig could be more valuable to normal. ##Vote Visceraeyes On February 07 2012 02:39 kitaman27 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Happy Birthday Toad! In regards to my previous post, I just realized scum have a medic, so I would definitely prioritize a medic over vig for anyone who has a choice. On February 07 2012 01:45 layabout wrote: Kita, how can batman claim his hits without claiming and being modkilled? + there has been a lot of discussion about very little, please cut it out. He is allowed to claim his hits. Funny how you step in to shoot down the setup discussion, yet don't bring up a topic yourself. I've got a bad scum habit of criticizing bad town discussion without contributing myself I didn't like this post, but mostly I'm looking for reactions. Yours is quite disappointing. Cute. I'm suddenly your lead scum suspect because I voted for you? BM you weren't serious about the mass claim were you? I hope you're not trying to play the same character as L. Palmar, you're sounding a lot like L as well. I don't think that turned out very well. Waiting for Radfield's wall of text. and yet.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=309352&user=46535 he never voted for Vicera. On February 08 2012 02:43 kitaman27 wrote: ico's theme so far has been to promote a good thread environment. The only problem is that he is shooting down posts by others, but not making an attempt to improve the thread himself. He suggest that the discussion about random voting is derailing the thread, yet doesn't propose anything else to discuss. He makes an extremely safe comment about how the joker shouldn't claim, but has yet to make a legitimate contribution. ico has shown no signs of scumhunting thus far. He has suggested a policy lynch on kenpachi and called Adam a threat to town for his random vote. However, in both situations he is not going after players he necessarily finds scummy, he is attacking players that are making "stupid" town plays. Stupid town play should be discussed post-game. The only people we should be lynching are those who are most likely mafia. ##Vote ico Tobberoth has also flew under the radar. I'm not sure I've seen a single player mention him yet. His contributions have been safe and non-aggressive. He plays the noob card and spends most of his time discussing the setup. He jumps on the suspicion cast on kenpachi and VE, but doesn't add anything to the argument himself. How many of the points in bold are really scummy? -Promotes good thread environment (holy crap do we need players that do this) -Points out that thread is being derailed (it was) -Shoots down posts of others (so what?) -Comments about how the Joker shouldn't claim (could be argued either way but a day1 claim is pretty bad) -Displays no signs of scumhunting halfway through day1 (so he is like nearly everyone else in the game) -Thinks policy lynching Kenpachi day1 is a good idea (it is) -Calls random votes a threat to town (they are) -Attacks Stupid town plays (stupid town plays hurt town) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=104687 ico had only made 5 posts by this point. But they did show pro-town motives. This case against ico was very weak. What is suprising is that Kitaman27 sticks with this lynch over any others. On February 08 2012 10:33 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not sure I like a CC lynch. It is pretty rare for a scum to post a plan guiding town's direction and generating discussion on day one. His thoughts about RG/Hugo don't really make much sense, but are they scummy? I haven't had a chance to read Sheth though, but I'll post again in a bit. If I don't like him, I'll try to suggest an alternate candidate (likely ico or kurumi). Maybe i have had unusual luck but LSB the scum posted his plans day1 in hammer mini mafia and Layabout the demonic concealer posted a plan on day1 to generate discussion in Purgatory mafia. (the last 2 games i played) So to me the logic of "scum don't often post plans day1 to generate discussion so i don't like lynching CC" seems off. He distances himself from a CC lynch for fairly weak reasons (perhaps because he know that CC is not mafia.) He promises content later and he commits to not voting for sheth even though he says he hasn't looked at sheth (perhaps because he knows sheth is mafia.) He commits to an alternate candidate like ico or Kurumi. Now here is a case which uses Kurumi's day1 play: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850¤tpage=103#2051 in this post i go over Kitaman27's case on ico from halway through day1. Whilst a direct comparisson is unfair, a quick comparisson shows how Kurumi's day1 play was far more incriminating than ico's. There were also two votes on Kurumi (layabout and Bill Murray) If Kitaman really wanted to push an alternate candidate to sheth/CC he would have had a much greater chance of being successful by pushing Kurumi. By putting his vote on ico he accepts the lynch of CC even though he does not support it. and yet.. On February 08 2012 12:08 kitaman27 wrote: I'm still not a huge fan of either of the major lynches. I'll switch to ico for now. My case was posted earlier in the thread. Sixty minutes is a lot of time and the votes counts are relatively low so we aren't stuck with the current two candidates if we agree there is someone better out there. chaoser/bugs/radfield trio gives me the creeps, but that's for another time. he acts like he thinks a switch could happen ...then spends his time putting pressure on Kurumi who he does not vote for. On February 08 2012 12:10 kitaman27 wrote: kurumi, if you're trying to blue claim to dodge the lynch, give us a name. You already claimed vig so its not like its going to make the scum less likely to hit you and if you're not counter-claimed, you can shut down all this lynch discussion and focus on what's important. he thinks Kurumi has made a BS claim to dodge lynch. (he was) On February 08 2012 12:16 kitaman27 wrote: You agree that it would be a pro-town move to name claim though correct? You already claimed vig so there is no harm. That way we can stop talking about you and whether or not your claim is real. Thanks. He puts "pressure" on Kurumi to make him claim in full. (so he is either; scum bluefishing scum faking pressure on a teamate that he does not intend to lynch or a townie that wants to lynch a player, thinks that that player is fake claiming and wants them to claim in full) On February 08 2012 12:33 kitaman27 wrote: I'm worried that you won't get a chance to use your guns if you refuse to name claim If you don't have a name to claim and were trying to draw a hit, just let us know before things spiral out of control. Your cases aren't all that bad as long as you aren't all over the place with them. I didn't read the first arkham game. Was that the game with the name vig or was it a different one? He backs of Kurumi even though Kurumi has not done anything to defeat the "I think this is BS to help you dodge the lynch" argument. He also ran out of time and was unable to lead a switch to ico. But he doesn't seem disappointed that he failed to push his scumread and that a townie was lynched instead. CC then flips town. On February 09 2012 01:51 kitaman27 wrote: Discussing the claim from Toad or complaining about how bad it may or may not be is pretty pointless. He already claimed and he felt it was advantageous to do so. I don't really have any reason to doubt it at the moment. Is this really the topic people feel is most relevant to us catching scum? + Show Spoiler + Something I find interesting is the people who started to speculate that Cheese would flip third party, rather than scum. The mafia know that cheese couldn't have flipped scum, so Batman or Catwomen is the only roles they could speculate him being honestly. I know in past games, I've accidentally called players serial killers because I knew they couldn't be scum. There were so many people on day one that were quiet or irrelevant that they don't have the luxury of staying quiet during the night. With 4-5 blue claims already and a number of vets to shoot through, I'm less worried about night discussion influencing scum hits. chaoser, when I mentioned that I thought it was unlikely that cheese would suggest a plan while as scum, you immediately tried to shoot it down with a counter-example. I dislike how you were quick to dismiss the point by providing a rare exception with LSB. Your general attitude this game seems different. bugs, it's interesting you would decide to pick the 1/31 chance that I would be gf. Worried that any dt checks will come clean? If your name starts with a T, you need to post more. I'm having real trouble differentiating you guys. evantrees has been even more quiet than usual. slardar, opz, jay, ico, qualis, and katina leave much to be desired. People may be giving kurumi a hard time, but at least he is posting. I'll take that any day over an inactive. spoiled the middle for irrelevance. He starts out by criticising bad town discussion. (cough cough) He then defends Kurumi on the basis that his is posting. Shame that Kurumi has posted spam and made the thread worse and that while the lurkers may be hurting town most of them have all provided more useful and better reasoned content than Kurumi. he proceeds to post a bunch of one liners and then conclude that Palamar is NOT TOWN. day2 start There is a big kerfuffle that i will not inflict upon myself by re-reading for context. But kitaman27 votes for Dr.H On February 09 2012 22:28 kitaman27 wrote: well this is silly ##Vote DoctorHelvetica On February 09 2012 23:19 kitaman27 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Just don't shoot your good buddy kita. I'm not the droid you are looking for. On February 09 2012 23:11 Radfield wrote: How bout you explain to me why after reading the Schworz/Toad/DocH situation you came out with the conclusion of lynching DocH. Because I'm generally more willing to believe the dt claim over the guy arguing himself out of a red check who claims to have taken a hit. schworz has a few things to explain, but its early in the day Likely will switch to Sheth depending on how things turn out. He later votes for sheth. On February 10 2012 01:42 kitaman27 wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Liquid`Sheth He doesn't really explain why he no longer supports a Dr.H lynch. He doesn't attempt to justify his sheeping of sheth (but then again that goes for most people). He adds some one liners to all of the role talk drivel. On February 10 2012 08:59 kitaman27 wrote: lol it would be hilariously depressing if the scum team decided to dt check sheth and it came back miller XD He doesn't seem particularly concerned about the talk that was going on about Sheth being town. So he should either get concerned and explain his stance or shut-down the discussion and suggest something better. But he doesn't. On February 11 2012 01:40 kitaman27 wrote: You sure do like to talk about catwomen don't you :/ You've dodged the question 3-4 times now. DrH said that all dt's return role not alignment to dt checks. You gave us a alignment, but not a role. Could you please respond? You're not being very transparent right now. BM, for someone who mentioned how he couldn't wait to roll town, you sure haven't done much scumhunting. You also mentioned that you rarely read the thread as scum. It takes more than a name claim to prove you are town. @Palmar. I like a chaoser lynch too. He appeared to have something invested in the CC day one lynch, although we will have to probably wait to see if Sheth's flip makes that relevant. Kurumi, day one you claimed vigilante, but the number of possible roles you could be is running pretty thin. I think we need to revisit your name claim in the near future. Did I miss anyone who claimed a hit? Jackal - Mafia kp DrH- ?? Radfield- ?? schworz- ?? kenpachi - Harley Quinn Slardar - Penguin This is his most recent post. It was many hours before the sheth lynch. What concerned me most was that Palmar had just posted a pretty shallow case about Chaoser, based upon the misinterpretation that chaoser was trying to create a link between sheth flippping miller and lynching Palmar or Radfield. Since sheth flipped scum this case carries no weight. (because a scum chaoser would gain nothing by creating a link based upon an event that he would know to be impossible) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850¤tpage=92#1834 I then asked Kitaman27 why he was eager to support a chaoser lynch (when we really needed sheth to flip) and whether he supported Palmars case. Since Kitaman27 has declared Palmar to be "not town" Kitaman27 has no reason to sheep or support Palmar, especially if Palmar is not making a strong argument and is proposing something anti-town. But he hasn't posted and i tire of waiting. To me it felt that Kitaman27 was trying to support a chaoser lynch but was weary of doing so (directly defending sheth would have been risky), and that he was doing it on the back of a weak case put forward by a player he didn't trust. Then in a rather non-commital fashion he says that we should "re-visit" Kurumi's claim. Not "Kurumi i still think you were lying because you are scum and you were dodging the lynch." Instead it's more of an "excuse but you may have been dishonest, that is all" Turn's out Kurumi lied, but you would know that wouldn't you kita? Where is the Kitaman27 that thinks carefully and makes good reads? Where is the Kitaman27 that cares about town and acts in towns intersts? Why is Kitaman27 sitting on his ass and laughing at the thread we have vomited all over? He isn't here. This Kitaman27 is scum Disclaimer: May contain bad grammar, typos and unnecessary use of red text | ||
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It would be a shame to kill town that can speak sense. But he has made next to no effort to contribute, and he has sat back and watched the chaos as he has not been under pressure At the moment he has a decent chance of flipping scum. Jaybrundage is very scummy and is an acceptable lynch for tomorrow | ||
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On February 12 2012 14:52 RayzorFlash wrote: Oh that you are <3 I do agree with your last opinion on Palmar though, his insanely reckless/trolly play makes me think he's almost certainly black, and can just wreak havoc on the town while he goes about his own agenda. If he's scum, he's got balls of steel, lol... also: I wonder if Kuru can bat 3 for 3 on this post... lol If you are town you shouldn't be suggesting we lynch a player in this fashion. he also calls 4 players scum not 3 | ||
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On February 12 2012 21:52 rgTheSchworz wrote: I didnt announce the result and won t till i gain credibility. Right now scum like JayJay can Very easily talk about it. It won t be believed. Im keeping it for when there is a night action that can demonstrate my role. Since scum decided not to focus on me, so be it. They want to lynch me, wasting a day. They re getting uncovered atm. Stop listening to scum. I think i hate you | ||
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I would like people to comment on Kitaman27, jaybrundage tyrran and Kurumi. + Show Spoiler + and by "i would like" i mean "do it motherf*****s | ||
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On February 12 2012 22:56 rgTheSchworz wrote: I´m not releasing the results of the checks till my role can be confirmed at night. No one will believe me anyway, and scum will be hopping on my wagon along with everyone. This way, scum at least have something to figure out. It is strange that rg is not willing to release chaoser's check unless he knows that he is going to die or because he thinks that no one will believe his result. If schworz had a scum check on chaoser then releasing it and killing chaoser would gain him massive town cred, and would help town achieve its win condition If schworz is town then act of not releasing the role suggests to scum (and 3rd party) that chaoser is worth checking/roleblocking/killing. Perhaps this is more WIFOM to confuse scum. If he is scum then this act would deter town vigis from shooting at chaoser but could bait 3rd party in checking/shooting him. If he is 3rd party then this act would deter town vigis from shooting at chaoser but would bait scum into roleblocking/shooting him. To me it seems like he has very little reason to hide this check. If he had blue checks on Kurumi and chaoser then he should have shut up and not placed himself in a position that would force him to reveal them, or he should have shut up and helped town rather than spread confusion and reveal two town power roles even if it resulted in his death. He has already released Kurumi's check and outed a blue, this has been confirmed by Kurumi. (they could be lying but that seems very unlikely). So now that his claim has been near-confirmed why does he hold back? People should believe him now, right? Also, WBG was not only a veteran but a detective. This means that everyone on the scum team should have access to his night one check in addition to knowing that their team-mates are scum. Why doesn't he release the check? I just want to point out that rg still isn't making sense and that he will need to give us more evidence to confirm himself. It seemed that he intended to give us his result for chaoser's flip anyway. I am not asking rg to release his check but i am asking why he didn't. | ||
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Tyrran's play reminds me of his play in Purgatory except this time he hasn't been under much pressure. Given the check on chaoser lynching him would be sub-optimal. I can't make much sense of Bill Murray's posts. I also feel that not many other people can. So people might not be as accountable for their stances about him. His protects seem strange. I can understand a n2 protect on me (because i know my alignment and my motives for posting) But i am unsure of a n1 protect on me because i wasn't being serious for much of the day and was hoping to draw a hit for looking like the joker (it's a shame so many others did but they were much less subtle about it). He has lied to town. I tried reading through his posts in L and in one the the pick your power games (he was the inventor), but that was a fruitless endeavour. At some point i saw town motives in his posts. I think Bill is an inferior target to tyrran evantrees, In my eyes Kitaman and jaybrundage would also make better targets. | ||
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On February 13 2012 00:57 rgTheSchworz wrote: I lied once,why should you believe me? Yes, it is.Chaoser isn´t going anywhere tomorrow, we still have to lynch 4 scum if chaoser is indeed scum. If he´s VT, same thing. Let´s keep scum guessing a little bit. By this point I am not scum. I don´t know how any people could think that. All my actions would be incredibly gutsy as scum,and would have no purpose.None at all. Plus scum doesn´t have any DT´s left, so you assume scum investigated Kurumi n1.That˙s a big if. I also think I know your role by now. If I am right, you need to cut off this. Your actions are stupid. Therefore we cannot rule out possibilities that include you being stupid. We cannot rule out the chance that you are scum and being stupid. Confusing town, derailing discussion and outing blues are all things that benefit scum and they are all things that you have tried to do or successfully done. However, since further night actions should shed some light on your alignment you are in little danger of being lynched and this discussion will not help with anything. I don't think we can trust you yet. I tried to explain why so that people would not blindly think that you are confirmed town and open themselves up to more confusion. Don't give me this "i think i know your role" jibberish. Call it. | ||
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On February 13 2012 03:33 Kurumi wrote: Laya IS lying. He would be dead if hosts overlooked his hit. God damnit. Also they weren't around when laya said "I just got pm" Bullshit. Why don't you ask the hosts? then shut up. | ||
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On February 13 2012 05:20 jaybrundage wrote: Ok i know im a little late to the party but i think i figured this shit out. Kurimi Is CatWomen. He didnt die to a hit. He shot Rg who claimed twoface. He then tells the thread that Rg is a vet. Which would make sense given that CatWomen has an unblockable shot except for vets That means that Rg is a Vet, and cant be a Detective. Why he is keeping up the bullshit about DT? I dont know pretty anti town in my opinion But I think it makes the most sense. Given this information i think we should completely ignore his DT checks cause there bullshit. Kurimi had to agree with the Harley Quinn guess it was a guess. So RG is a Vet not a DT and not two face if he was twoface he would be dead. I hope we can move foward as town and from now on Ignore his DT checks because there complete bullshit. This Does mean as well tho that he is town. : ( Given that i will have to reread the filters to find someone else i think is scummy D: BTW RG i still think your anti town as fuck. Just not scum BTW RG i still think your anti town as fuck. | ||
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On February 13 2012 05:58 Jayjay54 wrote: OMGUS much? what did you contribute? I even said in that post that you can my unvote pretty easily. Not with an OMGUS, but an actual contribution. Look at this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13464451 do you think that risk is really a better option than Tyrran or Evantrees (and BM or chaoser i suppose)? | ||
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On February 13 2012 22:32 Toadesstern wrote: I'm the village idiot right now. What do you guys think of shooting into people I thought will probably turn out town instead of shooting scummy lurker? That's bound to deliver mafia isn't it? On a more serious note: I'm considering voting palmar, kita or risk.nuke atm. of those 3 kita is the best option but they are all inferior to tyrran or evantrees. Justify your opinions. | ||
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and one of them has been lying to us all game. and one of them caught a scum. ##vote Palmar + Show Spoiler + that felt good | ||
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On February 13 2012 23:45 Forumite wrote: <3 I do not think that Palmar is scum. I do not think that Radfield is scum maybe i edited it a bit for you. | ||
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People who looked most suspicious from day 1 vote: At this moment in time evantrees is leading the vote. Tyrran stands a similar chance of flipping scum to evantrees. There are the candidates that are likeliest to flip scum, (but they could be town). It has been (sort of) agreed that rg's night action should shed some light on his own and on chaoser's alignment. BM has claimed medic and i would be willing to say that he is far likelier town than other candidates. Other People that it has been suggested we lynch: Kitaman27: stands an excelllent chance of flipping scum. I was waiting for him to come back and post but he doesn't seem to care. He does not wish to respond to my case in full as he promised he would do last night should he survive. My only resevation about killing Kitaman is that if Kurumi is, in fact Harley Quinn, then the case against Kitaman27 is weaker. On February 12 2012 13:00 kitaman27 wrote: Layabout, I'll respond to some of your posts if I survive the night. liar. Jaybrundage: Is perhaps the epitome of "posts to look like he is contributing without actually contributing". He has been lurking heavily all game and he displays no pro-town motives. Forumite: Has yet to put effort into helping town find lynch targets. All his posts are about peripheral issues and he has not made himself useful whatsoever. He has undermined town objectives all game long. Tunkeg: Likely town. But + Show Spoiler [Tunkeg do not open this spoiler] + I think he has an "unorthodox approach" to playing as town hiro protagonist: You could quite easily argue his alignment either way. He shows up every now and then. He calls most of Ico/Razerflash: I felt that ico looked green. I think razer looks a little red. My concern is that those who are placing suspicion on him are not doing it wholeheartedly. I felt that Kitaman27's early case was laughable. When i saw this quote: On February 08 2012 03:47 ico wrote: Sheth: I really can't read his behaviour so far. It is scummy, but he isn't the only one posting pointless rabble. For now he got the benefit of the doubt. in kitaman's "in case i die post" i was suspicious. But when looked at in context (clicky) He says that he think's cyber cheese is a better candidate and votes for him. He may have been hedging which is scummy but i think that the quote by itself is misleading and makes ico appear scummier than he did. Who was misleading us? Kitaman, (+chaoser who has sheeped without sharing his reasons) JayJay: I may be somewhat biased when commenting on Jayjay because he has made various comments in which he has taken liberties with logic. I do not like JayJay's posts. He assumes things he shouldn't and if i had a gun i would have shot him night 1. He often talks about subjects that do not further town's goals. But he has made some posts that indicate he cares about town winning the game. And tha is more than can be said for far too many of you. So we shouldn't lynch him today/ The Radfield/ Palmar debacle: We have next to no reason to not beleive radfield at this point. We have every reason to not trust Palmar. If Radfield is telling the truth. Palmar is confirmed "not-town" (or possibly the "worst townie ever" + Show Spoiler + Could town really play worse than claiming 3/4 power roles and lying all the time?+ Show Spoiler + the answer is probably yes but Palmar is still playing really badly if he is town What if Rafield isn't calendar man? Radfield's actions do make some sense if he is scum, so if Palmar were to flip DT then Radfield would make an excellent lynch. What then if Radfield is scum ? Palmar will flip 3rd party and we will have lynched a player that intended to kill 1 or two town blues and that was heavily trashing up the thread. We will not have killed a townie. OR Palmar will flip as a VT that you should never play in a game with again, or a dt that you should never play in a game with again. If he flips one of the roles he has claimed then we could possibly use that information. If Palmar flips town (he will not) then we are in a better position to evaluate Radfield's alignment. But if Palmar was calendar man then will will know that radfield is "not town" OR radfield was bussing another teammate for town cred, which is fine. What if Rafield is 3rd Party? Palmar will flip 3rd party and we will have lynched a player that intended to kill 1 or two town blues and that was heavily trashing up the thread. We will not have killed a townie. OR Palmar will flip as a VT that you should never play in a game with again, or a dt that you should never play in a game with again. If he flips one of the roles he has claimed then we could possibly use that information. If Palmar flips town (he will not) then we are in a better position to evaluate Radfield's alignment. But if Palmar was calendar man then will will know that radfield is "not town" Palmar is almost certainly "not town" and killing him will have additional benefits - being able to actually focus on the lynch. OR Radfield has caught us another scum. Hi-fives all-around! Lynching Palmar could have a range of outcomes from, lynching a town DT and then lynching batman the next day( a monumentally improbable outcome). To lynching scum (a fairly likely outcome). Today and being in a great position tomorrow. Whatever happens lynching Palmar should greatly increase our ability to scumhunt and produce useful discussion. Palmar is almost certainly "not town". He has been having fun at YOUR expense. KILL PALMAR WITH FIRE! | ||
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I know there are people that are more likely to be scum than Palmar. But i want him to die. If he is 3rd party i want him to lose. If he is town i think he deseves to die. If he is scum then he needs to die. I think we should have killed him day2 as a matter of principle, but with the DT check on sheth that wasn't really an option. | ||
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On February 14 2012 01:16 Forumite wrote: I don´t like Palmar trolling either, but it´s either live with it, or loose. We can´t afford a mislynch, but neither can we afford wasting a lynch on third party right now. They may not have Towns best interest in mind, but it´s leaving them be or loose. We can afford a mislynch, lynching batman is not strictly a mislynch anyhow. 15-5-2 and 3 scum KP where there are 2 bulletproof non-scum 0+veterans, two scum players that would cost scum a KP if they died and 1+ town medics. in addition we have a shit-ton of likely scum candidates and we should still have some vigi-shots left. we also have some "DT's" We can afford to lynch batman, who wants to kill one of our vigis. You are fearmogering. scum. | ||
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On February 13 2012 23:30 Palmar wrote: Bill Murray Toadesstern Visceraeyes Hiro Protagonist Jayjay54 Layabout Tobberath jaybrundage Tyran Tunkeg Kurumi Risk.nuke Kitaman27 rayzorflash Evantrees -_-qualis forumite Radfield rgtheschworz Palmar Chaoser Katina Adam4167 On February 06 2012 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: They claim at any point in time they are modkilled. If they hint their role and I catch it they are modkilled. They can claim hits, they can claim who they checked. Anyone who attempts to force a mass batman or catwoman claim will be banned after game concludes and both batman/catwoman in that circumstance may claim their role. Same general rules apply as last game in this regard. It comes down to, anyone who attempts to exploit or circumvent a rule will be punished. On that note. I will be firing out roles within the next 20-30 minutes, game will start between 10 and 11 pm est tonight. If they hint their role and I catch it they are modkilled. Palmar that post could definitely be interpreted as claiming 3rd party. but such speculation is against the spirit of the game and we should be careful and avoid discussing it. | ||
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Instead: Post your lynch candidate. Post your case. Debate which is best with other players. Keep insults to a minimum. Lynch scum. | ||
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I want palmar to die because i think he is not town. If he is scum we should lynch him. If he is 3rd party then i still want him to die, but it is entirely out of spite. Evan/Tyrran are the players i think are the most likely to flip scum. The tyrran lynch did not gain the momentum it should have. If evan is not scum then it would have been sensible for scum to be on it. There have been so many other (and much weaker) cases pushed that it seems increasingly likely that evan is scum. ##vote evantrees + Show Spoiler + for the good of town | ||
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On February 15 2012 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Guys, I don't know what it's going to take to convince you, but I'm town. 100% I know I was against the Radfield lynch, but I thoroughly believed he was DT...I see now that I was only so convinced because his claim helped land my Sheth lynch. You guys have some good targets, I hope your aim is as good as our aim has been lynchwise. Please don't make the mistake of taking my trying to save Rad as a scum-move. I was literally only trying to get Kita his KP while saving who I believed to be the DT. I honestly believe we need to be rid of Palmar/Batman. He's a wild-card when what we need is stability. He's a variable in any kind of plan we make going forward. He's KP aimed at town. Batman, whether or not you like him or his posts is pro-town. He is also not killable at night. So you are suggesting we knowingly lynch a protown-role. Instead of someone scummy. | ||
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If batman has killed the Joker it makes no sense for us to lynch him at all. This is because batman is bulletproof, can DT, can shoot through medic-protection and needs to kill the godfather. If batman hasn't killed the Joker then he still needs to kill the godfather anyway. If scum win before batman can kill both batman loses. In order for batman to win he needs to deliver us the godfather and he must do so without mafia winning. Batman has powers that can help town and he must keep town in the game up until he can kill the godfather. So by letting batman live and achieve his win condition. we as town are guaranteed to be in a great endgame position. | ||
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On February 15 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: It's a discussion people - I'm scummy for trying to have a discussion? This game is now retarded. GG scum. Lynch me or kill me, I don't care anymore. The fact that everyone is calling me scum for trying to have a discussion tells me that town is NOT in fact winning, that we're all fumbling around in the fucking dark and pointing fingers based on nothing. When scum win this shit in 2 days, I'll be back here in post-game to laugh at you idiots. You aren't even trying to have a discussion, if you are then why don't you consider this: How certain are we that Palmar is the batman, and what else do we think he is likely to be? If town can kill batman should it? What are the benefits of keeping the batman role alive? What are the benefits of killing the batman role? What are the downsides of letting batman live? What are the downsides of not letting batman live? I would like to know how on earth you concluded that "Palmar is the Batman and town should lynch him tomorrow." | ||
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On February 15 2012 04:15 Toadesstern wrote: FAITH HAS DECIDED. I am pm'ing my results to BC right now. He got a screenshot of my coin-tosses as well. If I end up hitting the one lucky guy in there that is a townie and the rest is a mafia fuck my life. But this time I got someone I am happy to shoot. ... | ||
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