BC's Arkham City

On January 30 2012 15:02 Toadesstern wrote:
if you now translate 5'9 into something non-americans can understand that'd be great. I really have no idea what that is

On February 07 2012 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Just woke up, but you know...whatever. And you're surprised I "showed up quick" at the very start of the game? And what I was doing was NOT defending Sheth...I was pointing out Katina's hypocrisy for saying Sheth isn't saying anything. Get real Doc. If you move your vote, I suggest you move it to Kitaman.

On February 07 2012 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey JayJay! I haven't voted for anyone yet! How about you chill the fuck out?!

On February 07 2012 04:56 Jackal58 wrote:
Good job Kurumi.
You've successfully identified two trolls a noob and a cowboy. Now what?

On February 07 2012 05:42 Jackal58 wrote:
I believe Radfield confirmed but nothing else. But it may have been Refallen. I gotta go back and look again.
If VE is scum he'll scream "lynch me" by day 2. At least he does when he's on a team with me. Maybe I just have that effect on people. rgtheschwartz and Jayb I have no clue.

On February 07 2012 06:02 layabout wrote:

He normally posts about a page day1, it is not unusual for him to post very little.
he is typically aggressive.
he has only ever been town
he absolutely hates it when you try to "meta" him.

Here is a post i made when i was scum about him in a game in which he looked sorta scummy but was town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&currentpage=32#630

his previous games (which you may want to look at)
Election mafia (town)
Tl Mafia XLVII (town)
Steamship (Tl mafia 46) (town)
Newbie mini mafia (town)
TL Mafia XLV (town)
Hammer mini Mafia (town)

On February 07 2012 06:09 Jayjay54 wrote:


wow, thanks dude. I tried to find old games, but it's kind of pointless to randomly click games. gonna have a look now.


rad: actively lurking is even more scummy than lurking itself. step up bro

On February 07 2012 07:27 Toadesstern wrote:

Idk, I got the feeling from his conversation with kita that VE might be townie. However he does this omgus as mafia as well because he knows what people think of him. So he literally does shit on purpose because he knows that he's going to get away with doing omgus shit. However he played 2 normal games the last time I saw him as town, so I guess it looks townie for me. But nothing sure.


Exactly my thought but I did not want to say something
Even the new guys are trolling. Yes I'm looking at you jayjay

Still catching up. Palmars post I quoted is where I'm at right now and just saw it when responding to the one jayjay did.

On February 07 2012 07:55 Kurumi wrote:

Hey, at least I am not trying to look like a hero.
Sorry Jay, but I don't mind being in the spotlight. I am trying to push the idea of list, but I fail to do it again. I want it to be kind of pass-the-paper thingie, where everyone writes a bit about everyone. The "need to be discussed" means I basically used the dreaded "FoS".

On February 07 2012 07:57 Toadesstern wrote:

I thought the - smiley tells you what I'm talking about. I was referring to your "and a - smiley for Toad" post. That's not trolling but you know, like a nice poke at me.
We just got massive amounts of shit like that. Not that it's bad, it's d1 after all and I did that as well but it's getting too much right now. Wasn't even meant to be an attack because I thought I laughed when you did that post but we should get going and start serious business.

On February 07 2012 08:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I understand I'm gonna take some heat for my posts about third parties especially when I said early on it shouldn't be our focus. Can I expand on that statement?

It's bad for town to focus on role mechanics throughout the whole game, particularly Day 2+. I do think it's a decent way to get discussion going on Day 1, and was I wrong? In this process multiple people have accused each other and some really anti-town ideas have been thrown out around it. Even though I and others have made it quite clear that the third parties shouldn't even shoot, there are still people who like the idea of offering the Joker or take it for granted that BM/CW are just gonna go on a townie killing spree. If anyone remains totally unconvinced or doesn't understand why the DT is the better move for both roles, I will explain that better if you really need me to but you should be able to come to this conclusion yourself as long as you don't have ulterior motives.

I'll take heat for talking a lot about the third parties, but as town I think it's pretty important we don't sacrifice our own vig for no gain. I also think it's pretty important we lynch scum instead of third party. Every day that goes by without a lynch of a scum is a wasted lynch. The more lynches we waste, the faster we get to LYLO. It might seem odd to newer players to hear someone say we should essentially ignore a role that is a threat to town, but our goal is to win the game by lynching scum and that is what we should do. Find scum not third parties. It's fine to talk about it when people like CC are trying to kill our vigilantes, it's not fine when people are saying we should not lynch scum.

On February 07 2012 12:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
@Liquid'Sheth
Your first argument is WIFOM, as is mine to be honest. But mafia are the only party that needs to be so defensive and when players start defending eachother like that, it makes me more confident that my initial hunches might be correct. It's just Day 1 and I'm not coming out saying "Gotcha!" with any sense of serious confidence.

I don't disagree that it is a stupid thing that Kenpachi does.

Your point about Batman is incorrect. Perhaps you don't fully understand the game mechanics. Hopefully this is the last time I have to explain this.

Firstly, Batman has an unblockable detective power. It is immune to GF powers. Secondly, he has an unblockable hit, however it will not kill players with the veteran role. It tells him with 100% confidence except in the case, I assume, of millers (who won't show up as hugo/joker anyway) who the person is. It's not "a little bit of detecting then shooting suspects", when he finds the joker or hugo he KNOWS who they are and will hit them the next night.

If Batman shoots before detecting, he has a low chance of killing either The Joker or Hugo Strange. If he kills a non-Hugo mafia, he gives town a huge advantage. If he kills a town player, he gives the mafia a moderate advantage. Continuing to shoot like this is bad for Batman, because if either Town OR Mafia win before he does, Batman loses the game. He does not win if town wins. He also does not win if Mafia wins.

The only time Batman might use his KP before DT is if one side has an overwhelming advantage and he thinks he can delay the end of the game. Offering up the Joker does not prevent him from shooting more townsfolk, because he has no incentive to do this. Also if he shoots randomly or on his own hunches, he still has as much chance as a town aligned vig does of killing a scum player.

It has nothing to do with knowing where people are. Batman (same rules go for Catwoman) has no reason to care who anyone is except for the Joker and Hugo Strange. By offering Batman the joker, we're giving him an early town kill and we might be able to win the game before he gets any town kills or at least have Joker survive long enough to use his hit and be successful with it. It is not in Batman's interest to shoot randomly or to shoot into people he thinks are red/blue because it increases the likelihood that the game ends before he wins. The best scenario for Batman is one in which the mafia hit the Joker early and he only has to find Hugo, or where we lynch Hugo early and he only has to find the Joker. Hopefully, for us, he looks for Hugo first but even if he starts out looking for the Joker, he's just going to be DTing and there's nothing we can really do about it. Giving him the Joker isn't a solution to any problem.

Moving on to Cyber_Cheese:
Cyber_Cheese's points about Catwoman are wrong. Or maybe it was Tunkeg? Someone said "catwoman should just shoot the most pro-town people", that's not true either. Catwoman should DT until she finds her target then kill them. She doesn't win with scum. If scum win before two-face/penguin are dead then Catwoman loses. Shooting the most pro-town looking people will probably just result in red and green deaths. If you even broadcast that advice or assumption why would two-face and the penguin put themselves in the spotlight? Now Catwoman is in a WIFOM situation where she has to guess what her target is thinking and shooting randomly is unsafe, puts her at a higher risk of losing the game. With the combined full force KP of batman/catwoman/mafia all shooting into "town" (except batman/catwoman don't know who town is, although you guys seem pretty confident they will know implicitly) the game will likely end with scum winning and town with both third parties losing. I'm not going to crunch numbers because I can't do math but I'm guessing of at least one of each candidate surviving to endgame in this scenario are pretty high. I hope that clears things up. I think Cyber_Cheese is either mafia or, more obviously, Batman. I don't know why I didn't put it together before but the player trying to get the Joker offered up scot free with no clear pro-town motives seems like a pretty good bet for me. If he's not third party or scum I'd be pretty shocked. Can anyone link me to some games in which Cyber_Cheese was a town aligned player in memory?

After looking at that I might switch votes. I dislike voting for players who attack me because I am very defensive and often in mafia games I get tunnel vision when I'm attacked. But just as often as I've been wrong, I've been right and ever since letting Pandain slip through my grasp in Insane Mafia I've tried to be more confident.

@Radfield
Asking other people questions and agreeing with WBG doesn't count for much. You were like this in Salem and don't think I'll forget THAT travesty anytime soon.

WBG's analysis is okay. Toadesstern should flesh his thoughts out more but I don't think it's particularly scummy. I still believe town players are more likely to second guess themselves or post logical errors than mafia players are. Mafia players have the advantage of information and teamwork, town is uncoordinated and in the dark. I don't think he necessarily contradicted himself talking about me, it seems like he's saying it's the kind of thing that could go either way so it's just inconclusive.

On February 07 2012 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The scenario in which it does make sense for Batman or Catwoman to shoot without a conclusive DT check is late-late-late game just before the next day is LYLO or during LYLO. That is when you can't afford to use a DT check because if you don't hit that same night or the next night you will lose. We aren't in this situation so giving up any town player on day 1 (if it's even legal, still need an answer on that) isn't something we should be thinking about at all.

On February 07 2012 19:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


Catwoman helps scum indirectly. She has no interest in either faction winning until her win conditions are fulfilled, in which case she leaves the game. Seeing her as a threat to town is viable, but she is not scum. We do not get closer to winning by lynching her, we only give the mafia more time to win the game.

Kenpachi is this bad in every game jsyk. I'm starting to think he's bad on purpose so that he can always fall back on the excuse of "oh im just bad and do random stuff" whenever he actually rolls mafia.




There have been a few cases laid out, put a little more thought into it. Town doesn't win without some serious thought. It's a team effort. You can make statements like this all game as mafia, it's too safe. Let's talk BM. Make a case for his lynch. If you're "happy" to lynch him you must feel pretty good that he's scum right?

Seems like you're not really invested in who gets lynched. Uninterested. That's not good.

On February 07 2012 13:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
WBG that was on point, pushing the easiest lynch with no commitment, wishy washy, good call. Voting RG.

On February 07 2012 17:49 Katina wrote:


These sentences are just plain silly. I don't know why a townie would ever feel the need to become a cheerleader for their own team.

On February 08 2012 03:01 Palmar wrote:
DrH is not scum, don't be an idiot

On February 08 2012 03:09 Bill Murray wrote:

there is a gigantic mason network im a part of
that is why i'm claiming a power role
i know a confirmed town, as well

On February 08 2012 03:15 Bill Murray wrote:

No, i was masoned.
It doesn't paint me town whatsoever - but I ask you - why would i do this as scum?
I am going to ask BC to what extent I can claim in thread, because I know a confirmed town via the network, and someone speculating about roles in relation to who would have sent said network's alignment in relation to the video game with which this came from.

Considering this isn't a bastard game, the flavor of the NEIGHBOR network (it's not a mason network - we don't know everyone is town) points towards the person having sent it being town. If he's town, and I'm outting in the thread saying I have a confirmed town, how is this anti-town?

On February 08 2012 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:

a. quit fishing
b. no, unless bc is a bastard mod, the one person who initiated the neighbor network is town via flavor

like i said, we can't afford for my role to die n1 due to flavor, and im not a veteran, so i need a medic on me

On February 08 2012 03:29 Bill Murray wrote:

first off, how is this nonsensical? explain
second off, how is a private network of neighbors we can use to coordinate a negative thing? why should i out the chat logs? i see no point in it.

pointless discussion? have you read the 20 pages on 3rd party speculation?

On February 08 2012 03:30 Bill Murray wrote:

a. i have outted my role, as a mouth of the network, so i can be protected - how is that not 100% info i know?
b. the role with which the neighbor came from is confirmed town

On February 08 2012 04:03 Bill Murray wrote:

im not a mason
ive been neighborized
mason = you know alignment
neighbor = you dont know alignment
you all are killing me with calling it a mason....

1) the benefit is that scum have no will to out the simple fact of its existence
2) of course there could be scum in the network, like i said, it ISNT A MASON, it's a neighborizer
3) ... your case on doctorhelvetica is pretty bad

On February 08 2012 04:15 Toadesstern wrote:

he's what I thought VE was last game. Or he's stupid. Noone knows

On February 08 2012 04:16 Bill Murray wrote:
I havent read from, say, 22-26, so i wasnt sure noone had claimed it. i consider towncred in claiming it, so if someone else had, great.

one guy has gained town cred from the neighborizer, one guy has gotten my eye more than he has in the thread, and another is confirmed town. How is outting information to the thread creating an information deficit? 1

I do NOT want to handle everything there. I am letting the town know about its existence, so that they're not left derpily in the dark. Asylum vs that game flamewheel had with the ninjas, world of difference

doctorhelvetica has contributed more than nearly everyone within the thread, do you not see that? would scum not advocate talking about 3rd party, then do so, in a direct contradiction? he's also being really up front.2

if you want to vote on a contradiction, why don't you vote for adam, who had reasoning, yet still chose to cast an RVS vote. That's a contradiction.3


i've already stated there is no way i would be outting if i was one of their targets 4

my role can't afford to die n1, given flavor text. I really need to be kept alive, so I had to out, especially given that I was #1 on the neighborizer list, so if another town PR knew I was town given my case on Kenpachi, mafia already had a HUGE target on my back 5

There really is only a couple of possibilities:

I got balls of steal, being Twoface but in reality I'm not immune to catwoman
I got mediocre balls, being Twoface but I really am immune to catwoman right now
I am a VT / Vet who doesn't care of being shot and tries to catch some bullets because I made this whole thing up
I am Catwoman myself and don't care about this bullshit because I know I'm immortal myself unless I get lynched.

On February 08 2012 23:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sheth fucking dies tomorrow motherfuckers. No excuses. I'm making it my mission. Palmar, can I count on you to rally the newbz?

On February 09 2012 02:58 Toadesstern wrote:
stop talking about my claim, stop claiminging yourself. My claim makes sense, deal with it.
Everyone who proceeds to talk about this now might as well be a nice vig target for those of you out there.
I did not think my claim would bomb this thread so much. I thought we're maybe going to have a bunch of posts calling me bullshit and some believing me and afterwards everyone moves on.

I already said catwoman can't kill me tonight. I will explain things tomorrow, for now leave it and ask me tomorrow if you want to. This is not helping town and I do apologize for this shitstorm I created but I still think what I did was right. So everyone move along and talk about something useful or leave it as it is right now. Discussing my situation is not helping town and I can't undo it.

On February 09 2012 03:19 Radfield wrote:
Players to protect:
Radfield
DocH
maybe Kitaman

On February 09 2012 03:28 Kurumi wrote:
WBG is not a vet. Forumite is not a vet. Opz might, but he has been useless so far. Kenpachi is always useless.
Also:
Opz is really weak this game.
Kenpachi is suspicious this game.
Forumite is actively lurking
WBG is meh.

On February 09 2012 03:33 Jackal58 wrote:

He hasn't that I'm aware of. Radfield just thinks highly enough of him to ask that he get some medic loving.

On February 09 2012 03:35 Radfield wrote:


It's just playing the odds JJ. I have a history of dying night 1. Bugs and Chaoser could probably be on that list, but for different reasons I don't think either should have protection tonight. Those other three you listed don't need protection.

On February 09 2012 03:38 Jackal58 wrote:


No?

Power Roles to Protect:
Bill Murray
Kurumi
Jackal
Toad
Schworz
Palmar

Players to protect:
Radfield
DocH

On February 09 2012 03:40 Radfield wrote:
No, the Doc was not under Power roles and he's playing fine this game.

On February 09 2012 03:45 chaoser wrote:
Alright guys, cool it with the Toad claim. At the moment, he's probably townie. He claimed two-face, someone that we know is 100% in the game because Catwoman needs to kill him. Unless someone counter claims him, he is probably townie.

On February 09 2012 03:47 Jayjay54 wrote:


well, you want a third two face?

On February 09 2012 08:11 Palmar wrote:
Kitaman27, because I'm just that awesome I'm going to kill you instead tonight. risk.nuke can wait till another day.

On February 09 2012 08:17 Palmar wrote:


I don't care what you think.

On February 09 2012 08:26 layabout wrote:

no it doesn't.

On February 10 2012 00:26 Toadesstern wrote:
yeah not my fault. It's docH who did this

style. As already mentioned I'm not retarded and don't need those winks :D

On February 10 2012 00:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Looking through rG's filter I have to retract some of my claims against him. He didn't claim actual immortality, so his later statements are consistent. It's consistent with his first DT (no name) claim too.

I just don't understand why he got a guilty read on me if I'm Clayface but that discussion isn't going anywhere until he comes back to this thread.

On February 10 2012 00:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Read jaybrundages filter. I don't remember if I posted about him or not but he basically only comments on what other people do then makes a long post that is just a summary of the thread. terrible lurking, can't be allowed to slide. Also the very typical scum "Okay, I'm ready to be useful now! I'm done lurking and I'm totally gonna contribute.......eventually......"

Town player just goes ahead and contributes. Doesn't need fucking attention for doing their job.

On February 10 2012 00:46 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm guessing the riddle game is somehow related to the riddlers vigilante abillity. Vigilantes (maybe even roles in general) seems to work in a themed way judging from Zsasz's vig abillity.

On February 10 2012 00:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

I'd rather we didn't do that and instead spent time searching the thread for scum.

On February 10 2012 00:56 Toadesstern wrote:
everyone knows what role Palmar is by now

On February 10 2012 01:15 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I am sure Toad's gonna come with some crap about knowing my role also now.
Does he do that usually?

On February 10 2012 01:27 layabout wrote:

Don't you just hate it when somebody feels the need to cite occam's razor?

On February 10 2012 01:28 rgTheSchworz wrote:
we're lynching a blue powerrole with Schworz tomorrow.

And why you want to lynch a blue?
You're supposed to lynch scum goddamnit

On February 10 2012 01:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I think Jackal was possibly stacked TBH....

On February 09 2012 04:06 Bill Murray wrote:
im protecting jackal
i need a medic on me
i cant be roleblocked so jackal wont die

On February 09 2012 06:14 Bill Murray wrote:
ok im protecting rgtheschworz tonight
no other medics should be on him
others medics WIFOM between myself and jackal

On February 09 2012 04:23 Bill Murray wrote:
oh shit
scratch that
im protecting the good side of the face

im hush, a medic, in case you all aren't reading
i'm protecting jackal/palmar tonight
i would advise the other medics, if we have any, to be on me/jackal/palmar/schworz/toad/kurumi

On February 09 2012 04:37 Bill Murray wrote:
i need a medic on me tonight, as my side text is invaluable and guarantees my target wont be killed tonight

On February 09 2012 15:06 Bill Murray wrote:
I got roleblocked

On February 09 2012 15:19 Bill Murray wrote:
i was hoping they would buy the "i cant be roleblocked" lie :p

On February 10 2012 01:43 layabout wrote:

Is this ANOTHER claim?

On February 10 2012 01:48 layabout wrote:

then why do write "But it's legit " when a VT should not be able to know if "it's legit"?

On February 10 2012 01:52 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Man, I perfectly understand why you would lynch sheth today.
I m also up for lynching sheth, mainly because he posts fluff and irrelevant stuff.
QT is full of scum. I do not fear getting lynched, anyways I know what to do Night 2.
If im getting lynched because Clayface does not want to claim so be it.

Medics get off me ASAP. Toad doesn t understand I ll be catfood tonight.
When I flip, please lynch this liar= DocH.

I understand that BM got roleblocked. I strongly trust BM at this point, I believe him to be the most town.
So, 2 kills without any prot.
Scum single-stacked Jackal, because they RB BM.
Rad claimed hit, but I don t believe he s a vet since he claims DT.
So, most likely one of our vigs hit him,else hes a Veteran.
Therefore , I m inclined to think CW didnt shoot.
Therefore she DT ed me.
Therefore I die tonight. Bye, Bye, Bye

On February 10 2012 02:00 Toadesstern wrote:
Also I'm not allowed to claim why I know what I seem to know.
It's your choice to either trust me or trust believe I'm fakeclaiming again.

On February 10 2012 02:02 ico wrote:
Answer me this, why would a town aligned Toad and a town aligned DrH spam so damn much?

On February 10 2012 02:05 layabout wrote:



back it up or shuttup

If you are town you should share information. If you have a role and claiming is bad don't do it but if you have found something that confirms town share it with other town!

If they are confirmed 100% in the thread because of so codewords or whatever crap them why don't you make yourself useful and post it?
scum can find it if it's there

Since their legitimacy is pretty relevant to any decisions we have to make about them + rg you shouldn't be telling others to "try to find it themselves" when you save them the effort by just posting it.

On February 10 2012 02:04 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Well, just woke up.

Been working pretty much all day yesterday and sleeping twice. Sorry I haven't gotten to post much. Seems a lot has went down in the Mason Network. First off Radfields lying or I'm a miller. I can't think of a great reason why he would though. Like, if I die and flip green then town kills him, and I don't think he was under that much pressure.

I'm guessing maybe mafia has a "janitor" roll or something that allows my flip not to be shown? Or a Framer roll where they can frame me as red a turn. Either way, I know I'll flip green. We're wasting a lynch here. So the options as I see them are :

1. Radfield is mafia and you'll kill him after I flip green.
2. There is a mafia "Framer" someone who changes my appearance to DT's.
3. I'm a "Miller".

I'm not mafia. You should find it weird that neither Palmar nor Radfield have talked about these possibilities at all. They are both veterans and should know that these are options. I think mafia are sitting laughing right now because when I flip Miller you'll be confused.

I will say though that there really isn't any way for me to prove it and town will gain the most information I think from lynching me. You'll find out that I'm not actually red and can go after those who have bandwagoned me here. Second day in a row that I'm just getting nearly every vote on me. Take care of who starts these and who blindly follows along. I'll still be spending today looking for scum and trying to help out as I can.

On February 11 2012 00:22 Palmar wrote:
Radfield cannot be Red because I hit him. So doing the obvious play is even more obvious.

On February 10 2012 18:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
fuck this game man

I feel like there are no competent townies playing with me. I wish sandro was here, at least then I'd be able to talk to someone useful.

On February 10 2012 09:23 hiro protagonist wrote:
Speaking of people not living up to there potential this game, someone needs to put a bullet in hiro protagonist. That dude is useless right now, and I know he can play a good town game. He should have been shot last night...

On February 10 2012 09:39 hiro protagonist wrote:
Palmar, your dumb if you think layabout is scum.

On February 11 2012 01:26 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm pretty sure what jayjay and adam figured out is what I wanted them to think :3

On February 11 2012 01:30 Palmar wrote:


And you'd be wrong. But that's irrelevant. Vote for Chaoser.

On February 11 2012 01:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Why the fuck did you push me so hard as a liar then back off now? What made you that confident as a "pro-town" player to paint me red with a fake ass check. How in 10000000000 years is this pro-town behavior?

No one trusts you, so you're backing off despite no CC. I sense inherent guilt.

On February 11 2012 02:00 Kurumi wrote:

I believe You're town, because You'd be dead other way.

On February 11 2012 02:04 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I have not PUSHED your case.
Read my damn posts.
I simply stated that I got guilty on you.
Simple thing to get ppl reacting.


I agree. But im not CW or BM.

On February 11 2012 02:05 Kurumi wrote:

Schworz must be town. Look at Catwoman role description. Then look at Schworz claiming being hit. Then add up things like:
-He'd be dead if he wasn't one of vets or Poison Ivy
-Since he's alive, he must be one of the vets or Poison Ivy
-Since he was trying to get hits on him, and he got info about being hit, he's most likely vet.
-CW's best hit was Schworz.
It all adds up.

On February 11 2012 02:11 Kurumi wrote:

Read the description: Catwoman can kill Ra's Al Ghul in one hit.
I guess the second thing is what Two-Face thinks and that's why he did not claim yet.

On February 11 2012 02:14 Kurumi wrote:

THEN HE IS POISON IVY
god.

On February 11 2012 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
1. Everyone stays on Sheth
2. Lynch Radfield tomorrow if Sheth flips town
3. ???
4. Profit.

We're already on the winning path guys, no need to deviate. Don't fix what's not broken.

On February 11 2012 03:55 layabout wrote:

fixed

On February 11 2012 05:35 Toadesstern wrote:


did you see the picture layabout did? You could make a picture like that as well or make an excel sheet with 31 names, and give everyone a different color. I'm not going to link you my sheet but I can show my explanation on the right side
+ Show Spoiler [click me!] +

Those blue things are obviously something you should leave out. They're for me to keep track of all those blue slips to figure out why someone is doing something. However telling mafia who blueslipped is not a useful talent toi have so just use green for those people like they never said a word about blues.

That would be pretty useful and a little text for everyone if you want to do that as well. Not a huge essay/case but maybe one or two phrases. If someone is a null just leave them white or whatever. Also I don't think telling us your green reads is bad at this moment because we're lynching you for a reason but if you don't want to tell mafia who's your strongest green read (they might kill him just because of that the next night) just use the same color for everyone you think is green, no matter if he is "slighty leaning green" or "confirmed green" in your opinion.

On February 11 2012 18:58 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Voting for me is a waste at this point in time JayJay.
Even if you think i m scum because I lied,then you should shoot Palmar because he lied too.
Can t say that I agree with chaoser defending me.
Trusting what you think on first impulse is bad.
On the other hand, how can you explain my actions, in a way that I end up scum?
Reasonably, I should ve been scumcoached by now.would they allow me to endanger their team?

On February 11 2012 19:21 Bill Murray wrote:
i took a hit last night

On February 11 2012 20:23 Palmar wrote:


Because as long as clayface lives he takes all hits for the joker.

On February 11 2012 20:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Don't know. It's obvious enough now that I was "hired" by Joker, so I assumed Toadesstern is Joker and that Palmar took the fake claim so that Toades wouldn't have to. Because Toades didn't call him out, I didn't push him to get lynched. I briefly considered hte possibility that they're both playing me and that the real Joker is too afraid to CC but I doubt it. One of them is the Joker.

If I survive the night the Joker can't die. I also can't be killed by Batman or Catwoman, just scum/vig. A scum/vig hit will take me out and open up the possibility of the Joker dying. That's why I need medics. I think it's pretty clear from Toades' posts regarding the issue, his claims of invulnerability, etc. that he is the real joker. I just don't understand the point of Palmar's lie, it's easy enough to keep Toades alive knowing this. Medics just need to keep me up.

On February 11 2012 20:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Don't know if he will. Vigilantes shouldn't shoot him. The only reason I believe Palmar to be town is that he pushed Sheth a bit too hard day 1 and Toades, who I assume to be the real joker, never seemed to have a problem with Palmars claim.

To make things more confusing for the potential Batman, in addition to being Clayface, I am also the Joker. Invulnerable to Batman. From what I understand nothing can kill the actual Joker as long as I'm alive. It could be Palmar, it could be Toades, it could be someone afraid to CC. Since I can't die by third party I just need a medic to keep me alive so that scum doesn't hit me and Batman is basically forced to just go off and look for Hugo instead.

On February 11 2012 20:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No, I don't believe OpZ claimed Penguin. Did someone claim Penguin? If that happened I didn't read it. OpZ has been worthless in this game but he's probably got a similar role to me. I'm not good at picking up on other players breadcrumbs.

I can't die to Batman naturally. I can die to scum/vig which is why I need the medic.

On February 11 2012 20:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He could be lying about the shot. Radfield actually didn't specify if it was by medic or not.

They could both be third party.

On February 11 2012 20:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Batman can't claim.

On February 11 2012 20:57 Toadesstern wrote:
DocH is clayface. Batman can't penetrate Clayface = I am safe for tonight.
Also I'd be willing to help batman if he's not shooting Clayface. I never asked about this, idk if it takes 2 hits for batman to kill Clayface or if he's just not able to kill Clayface at all. If he wants to get to me he has to get through Clayface first.
I don't want townies to get killed so let's kill hugo first kk?

On February 11 2012 21:02 Toadesstern wrote:


well just think about my situation. What should I have said instead? "Yeah you'd probably win the bet" ? :p
Still I'm not going to die tonight. I want DocH to survive this night and I'm going to kill Hugo ezpz.

On February 11 2012 21:07 Adam4167 wrote:
What if they're both 3rd party and batman decided to shoot at catwoman.

On February 11 2012 21:11 Toadesstern wrote:


well with like 10 blue claimes on d1/n1/d2 I don't think he's that afraid of being RB'ed as batman, even if he claimes DT. So idk.

On February 11 2012 22:11 Tunkeg wrote:
Some of you guys need to shut up allready. And especially you JayJay, are you scum or just really stupid? Fishing for blues and outing blues like you do.

On February 11 2012 22:29 Toadesstern wrote:


I was shutting up all the time. DocH claimed I am joker and he was the guy openly claiming palmar was a liar after palmar claimed joker. If Palmar is batman he already knew I'm batman way before DocH told everyone.
And I am pretty sure Palmar knew I am joker before n1 deadline which again makes it more likely that he's not the badman. But maybe I misinterpreted something idk.

On February 11 2012 22:32 Tunkeg wrote:


I follow the thread, and I see you constantly talking about blues, and breadcrumbs, just cut it the fuck out. PLEAAASE? It is so fucking anti-town that it is beyond me. What good is it to speculate about this? This will be the last I say about this, if you don't get it, fine.

"Assuming he can be RB ed.
JayJay, I can be town:
The real 2-face,
OR poison Ivy,
Or a random Vet/VT.

Read the thread closely"

On February 11 2012 22:47 rgTheSchworz wrote:
JayJay read the damn thread.
I did lie about the DT check, everyone knows about it.

On February 12 2012 19:30 rgTheSchworz wrote:
The problem with what you re saying:
Mafia had a clear RB target n1, that was me.
I had not lied by that point.
So, if no one claims being RB n1, his claim and actions still stand as believable.
That´s why I would be reluctant to lynch him.


Today we lynch JayJay or Jaybrundage, with a preference for the latter.
Seriously, how is he not scum?

JayJay has not been useful this game, I still believe he was fishing, and he fits the scum profile of having lurked while the conflict between me/Toad/Doc/Palmar/Chaoser was going on.

Chaoser also has been moderately scummy, but his actions can somewhat be explained by him being town.

On February 12 2012 19:47 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I claimed my real role.
Remember, scum not believing and not wasting shots on me is good.
Dt-ed last night- Chaoser.

On February 12 2012 20:15 Kurumi wrote:

WBG was not bussing Schworz Day 1, are You crazy? He tried to set up a town lynch.

On February 12 2012 20:11 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I am Two-Face.

On February 12 2012 20:22 Kurumi wrote:

There's no freaking reason to try push Your teammate day 1. Seriously, how retarded is that? Not only You might put a weak player in the spotlight(is Schworz new? Check), but people might actually lynch him. And then what? You try to hold it? Scummy as fuck.

On February 12 2012 20:25 Kurumi wrote:

He was obvious CW target N1 with claiming Two-Face. I am sure she did shoot him. He's not dead. That means he's town or Batman.

On February 12 2012 20:38 Kurumi wrote:

She did not check him, she hit him.
Also WBG is dead.

On February 12 2012 20:43 Kurumi wrote:

Bussing scumbuddy D1 is terrible play.
About CW. Oh well. You'll see.

On February 12 2012 21:00 Toadesstern wrote:


btw I take it schworz is confirmed townie for now. Noone lynch or shoot him.

On February 12 2012 21:17 Toadesstern wrote:
it's wbg + Schworz man. No way he would have pushed his own teammate so hard to get towncred, especially given under how much fire he was. Maybe he wanted to bus him but than again, why should he keep doing that after I gave him a reason to stop it?

On February 12 2012 21:17 Toadesstern wrote:
Also, mafia tripplestacked Clayface (wtf?) if noone else claims a hit. I told people to medic him and I'm just going to assume people are at least from time to time listening what I'm saying, especially when I'm a confirmed blue role so I'd say he got more hits than protections. Also I shot opz, which only leaves clayface and wbg and I hardly doubt they shot wbg themselves. Of course again, only if there's no other hit claimed but it hardly matters.

On February 12 2012 21:17 Toadesstern wrote:
It's probably improving our situation. Everyone knows I am confirmed Joker. Batman knows my immortality never was a fake to begin with, he also knows I am now mortal. Mafia still has to kill me and they will. Batman sure as hell won't waste a hit on me, he can simply let mafia deal with me now that I'm mortal again and search for Hugo. Mafia hits are np to some degree because medics can save me after all. EZPZ. I'm still up for lynching people like hiro or chaoser.

On February 12 2012 21:25 Palmar wrote:


You're not the joker, you're scum. You roleblocked me last night because I said I was going to shoot you. Why would I ever be roleblocked if you weren't scum? It was pretty clear I was going to shoot you.

On February 12 2012 21:35 Toadesstern wrote:

the fuck? I missed the post where he said he checked chaoser.
Of course falseclaim is bullshit as town, it is bullshit as no matter what. I just think if he'd mafia people would have told him not to do that. But that check on chaoser is something new. Why did he check chaoser out of all people? The only reason I believe him to be town was because I thought he checked either me or docH, found Joker and didn't believe his check, therefore jumped to the conclusion that the guy has to be godfather / third party. Which is obviously bad play.
But check chaoser? If he is SO CERTAIN that clayface is red so that he makes up a fakeclaim to "prove" he's red, why did he check chaoser instead? It's not like he found something weird in chaoser and instantly goes "OMFG I found X in chaoser, therefore Toad has to be mafia which leads to the conclusion that DocH is mafia as well! I'ma goinf to make up a fake check".
That makes no sense at all. I am seriously considering him again. But than again... wbg attacked him, he got coaching from good players if he ends up being red and I doubt BC would give a third party role to someone like him (no hard feeling^^).

On February 12 2012 22:15 rgTheSchworz wrote:


Wrong. If he´s scum, he will deny it. That only works if chaoser has a PR, if he´s vanilla he won´t claim scum, if he is scum he´ll claim vanilla.

Your arguments are wrong.

On February 12 2012 22:24 Adam4167 wrote:
JayJay, for someone who figured out toads role as fast as I did, you should be able to figure out rG's role equally as quickly.

Otherwise, you're just being belligerent because you're scum.

On February 12 2012 22:35 Kurumi wrote:

You're fucking Joker not a Two-Face clown.
Anyway.
Bill Murray lynch:
Y/N?

On February 12 2012 22:53 Kurumi wrote:

Tell us who am I. I don't fear being exposed.

On February 12 2012 22:56 rgTheSchworz wrote:


I´m not releasing the results of the checks till my role can be confirmed at night. No one will believe me anyway, and scum will be hopping on my wagon along with everyone. This way, scum at least have something to figure out.

On February 12 2012 23:10 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Not ,,Bad Town’’ at all.

On February 12 2012 23:18 Kurumi wrote:

Hmm, okay! So. Ico/Rayzorflash or BM?

On February 12 2012 23:24 Kurumi wrote:

I think we have no town medics, thus the only medic remaining in game would be Hugo. Although, Radfield claimed being saved N1, that weakens my argument a bit. (Remainder: Bill claimed saving layabout twice.)

On February 12 2012 23:36 Jayjay54 wrote:
hiro made also a couple of "you should kill me I am so bad LOL" posts which made me feel really bad.

I suggest everyone read his blue town play in L.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=43447

this feels so different...

he's probably my no1 choice right now, but I'd rather wait...


If chaoser's check would be red, rg would say so...so I take it that he's green or blue.

On February 13 2012 00:50 Forumite wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

We´re lacking shots taken. Who took a bullet but survived N1 and N2?

On February 13 2012 01:02 Forumite wrote:

You were shot but survived? Are you some kind of veteran too?

On February 13 2012 01:13 Kurumi wrote:

I checked him through best detective in the world, bullet.
He's good, leave him alone.

On February 13 2012 02:16 Toadesstern wrote:


If he's batman he's not dangerous to us because he agrees with me about the joker situation and now that my protection is gone he can simply wait for mafia to kill me and doesn't need to waste a night action on me. Why should he do the dirty work when mafia can't afford to leave me alive. He never intended to shoot me I'd say. He wanted to not be RB'ed because mafia can figure out themselves they don't need to RB him if he shoots me or he wanted to make people think I'm not joker to protect me.
If he's not the batman he's a blue role imo. Either way I don't want to lynch him.

On February 13 2012 03:49 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Toad, if one of them´s scum, both are. It´s just weird that Bill would protect laya twice.
Either they re both scum or both town.

On February 13 2012 03:52 rgTheSchworz wrote:
But they can t be one scum the other not.
BM scum laya not doesnt make ANY sense.
BM not scum, laya scum either.
I

On February 13 2012 04:01 Kurumi wrote:

He's Scum Godfather Medic and Bearer of 1 KP.
Best lynch ever. Get rid of GF, Medic and 1KP.

On February 13 2012 04:07 Kurumi wrote:
BM claimed to protect layabout both N1 and N2, instead of obvious targets like Jackal or DrH.
On top of that, both are scummy, not to add that BM is just actively lurking and does not play properly.
Add that layabout is weird about his "save".

On February 13 2012 04:12 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Please read my explanation of BM and laya having the same alignment. Satisfied?

On February 13 2012 04:16 Kurumi wrote:

Let's hang the goon first, then. Layabout.

On February 13 2012 04:44 Kurumi wrote:
Check layabout. Hugo is a Godfather, thus he chooses his disguise.

On February 13 2012 04:51 Kurumi wrote:

The thing is not protect itself, but the TIMING.
If hosts forgot about a protect (mind, You're only informed of a save when You're actually hit) he would be..
DEAD.
Thanks to this, we know he's LYING.
Add that the hosts weren't even around him claiming he "just got the pm" and TADAAM.

On February 13 2012 05:57 risk.nuke wrote:

sup. obv-scum much?

On February 13 2012 06:20 risk.nuke wrote:

lol, what'cha want from me scum?
Mafia Dummy: You're lurking >_<
Awesome Townie: No I'm not?
repeat this back and forth for 20 pages.

Just skip the part where we do that.

Just the fact that you say that I can get your unvote pretty easily is laughable. From a townie perspective what is that a pressure vote? Pressure voting day 3 is laughable, arguably stupid and you just don't do that. You lynch your strongest scumread day 3. I mean the problem here isn't that you claim you think I am lurking. You're voting for me which equals I am your strongest scum-read. Which by extension is. You're trying to sell that your best scum read day 3 is a half-lurker who's been on the right side of every lynch. Sorry, I don't buy.

Your case just reeks of the uncertainty that comes from when an unexperienced mafia player tries to make a case on a person he knows is town. You're making the classical scum-mistake of going to easy out. Possibly fearing the retribution that comes from a townie-accusation. Which is pretty much a scum-confession because as we have already stated. Day 3 we lynch our strongest scumread. Telling me that I, as your strongest scumread can get of easily leads to the questions, 'how strong scumreads do you have then?' and 'Are you full of bullshit?'

On February 08 2012 03:56 risk.nuke wrote:
##Vote Toadesstern
Behold Sir. Spam-alot from the kingdom of no-content. I got scumvibes from him earlier as I was reading the thread. Nothing in his filter tells me otherwise. I like him more then other lynch-candidates.
Meta: I've seen him under suspicion before and he acted calm and reserved, nothing like this.

I reserve the right to change my mind at any time.

On February 09 2012 23:09 risk.nuke wrote:
If sheth is scum the information gain weights in alot.
##Vote Sheth

also
sheth most often scum. less often not scum.

On February 10 2012 06:10 risk.nuke wrote:
Beeing lurky isn't a valid option to be scum in this game. Because of the spammers overwhelming everyone. I'm pretty sure somewhere between 600 and 1000 posts (corresponding 30-50 pages) could be removed completely and not affect the overall information the slightest. If we're going to shoot lurkers then we should first shoot the fucking spammers spreading their chaos.. ...then we can look into shooting lurkers.

On February 12 2012 23:42 risk.nuke wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Just for the protocol, I changed my vote to sheth but forgot to unvote. I didn't actually realise I hadn't unvoted untill just now.

On February 13 2012 05:57 risk.nuke wrote:

sup. obv-scum much?

On February 13 2012 22:06 risk.nuke wrote:
Why are we lynching eventress?
Lynch one of these guys
jayjay
forumite
radfield
tunkeg

On February 14 2012 00:40 Toadesstern wrote:
If Rad really is red that's a nice post. The nested quote is the important part:

That means that my list was complete and utter bullshit.

On February 14 2012 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:
There is literally no reason to lynch palmar if he's the only one being RB'ed n2 and noone else claimed being rb'ed.

On February 14 2012 01:13 Toadesstern wrote:
and I said a lot of times that I think palmar is 3rd party. I as well did not realize that Talia is immune vs batman which was like the last puzzle piece that finally made everything clear. There's a shitload of reasons to believe Palmar is batman and it makes sense with his "WTF why are you still alive Rad" post from d2 if he really is Batman. You could argue that maybe Palmar lied about that as well and never shot Radfield but rad claimed to be shot as well, for whatever reason.

On February 14 2012 01:19 Kurumi wrote:
Schworz, are You a medic or vigilante?

On February 14 2012 01:21 Kurumi wrote:

Your name is not Schworz.