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Still /in. Edit: Lol one or the other, gotcha. Probably should have read the whole thing first. Cat-woman is after two face and mr freeze? they seem like strange targets... Just a clarification: The mafia can't kill if hugo or deadeye die? | ||
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On February 06 2012 08:10 Bill Murray wrote: CC, really dude, the game hasn't even started yet, and you're trying to break it? They can't claim their own roles, so I was going to do it as a joke if my role isn't either of those. | ||
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Sheth's gotta be scum, look at all that useless filler, and the games only just started. My activities going to be sub par for the next 16~24 hours, sorry in advance. Should be right after that though. I disagree with DocH, who's to know if batman/catwoman are going to shoot accurately. That's not a risk I want to take, when we could reduce overall KP and give ourselves more time to analyse instead. To kick off some real discussion. I'd like to discuss the Joker claiming ASAP. Sure he dies overnight, but then we have batman as essentially a buffed up version of the same role from that night until the gf dies. Catwoman's targets on the other hand, where do we balance a known two townie deaths vs potentially a lot more as the game drags on? | ||
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On February 06 2012 16:50 rgTheSchworz wrote: Way to go claiming Joker. Don't do that. We lose one vig for .,.... nothing, cuz Batman is helping us regardless of the situation. And his task isn't to shoot scum, it's to shoot 1 particular scum. He won't risk giving off info for the sake of helping town, he's 3rd party after all and only cares for his win. It's likely he'll DT ppl till he finds Hugo.And he can't hint at being batman at all. Anyone who claims being town or any blue D1 should be considered for a lynch.It's stupid,useless,and full of WIFOM-Helps scum a ton. For the lack of a proper Random Voting Stage, I vote Kenpachi. Considering the current situation, it's justified and if it goes through, we'll have info at least. There's no mayoral elections so setup chat and strategies shouldn't make scum stick out too much in the thread. This, instead will. I feel Day 1 someone always gets lynched for beingcarelessandthat someone is almost always a townie.So, it doesn't do any harm at all to ramp the pressure now instead of later in the day when we will be hard-pressed for time and are likely to make hasty decisions. If town wins after the jokers dead, Batman wins too. Sure we could attempt to win without the aid of the neutrals, but why not use every advantage we can get? Any sensible Batman would work with us, because if he kills someone, the town knows the flip, and that's many more people on Batman's side trying to hunt the 'all precious' Hugo. | ||
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On February 06 2012 16:50 rgTheSchworz wrote: Anyone who claims being town or any blue D1 should be considered for a lynch.It's stupid,useless,and full of WIFOM-Helps scum a ton. How exactly is that helping scum, and if it's truely helping scum so much, why did you call it a random vote? ##Vote rgTheSchworz | ||
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On February 06 2012 17:17 rgTheSchworz wrote: Scum know that he's not lying . We can't know that. It's a random vote. Random votes don't help scum. They help us get info from reactions to that random vote I can't possibly know at this stage if Kenpachi is scum, but I voted him to get things going. On February 06 2012 17:18 rgTheSchworz wrote: I personally doubt that he's a blue trying to hide by claiming green, so scum know his role already. Terribad for us. Contradicting yourself already? | ||
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On February 06 2012 17:29 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Contradicting yourself already? This guy is pushing Kenpachi with fear tactics, his excuse for voting is hiding behind a random lynch in the former, which is an attempt to negate any pressure he might face when Kenpachi turns out to be town, which he feels he needs, because he is scum and is the first voter. In that second quote, notice how you break it down into a question of which town role he is? A townie would have thought to reiterate all possibilities. Also of note, Sheth already prompted that Kenpachi could be scum based off his claim, so it's not actually an original thought. | ||
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On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: WHAAAAAAT??. No contradiction buddy, Lemme explain better: He claims green. This is sub-sub-optimal blue play, as it puts him into spotlight too early and is basically useless. He could as well stay hidden. So, either he's green or scum- at least that's what I think Either way, scum know his role. They know that he's not lying about being green or they know he's scum and perhaps the GF himself. Why else claim green? Either way, Town has to lose from his claim.I'm not advocating a straight-away lynch, we still have time to debate. But a first vote is completely justified, it will certainly make scum take a stance instead of sitting around while you lazy-asses talk about Batman Batman doesn't help town. He has to kill ONE scum only. Why would he scumhunt once the Joker is dead? He won't. He'll sit back, trying to apear moderately town, while he's DT-ing ppl who look scummy. Then he'll kill Hugo once he finds him. He won't scumhunt. He'll manhunt Town has nothing to lose, unless they make a claim that nothing can be made of an issue, as you were attempting to do. As such, pushing Kenpachi for his claim is your scum agenda. Batman has no motivation to simply sit back and watch. The faster town can hunt Hugo, the less Batman risks being end games. Additionally, the Bat can't die at night, so if he's extremely pro-town, he at much less risk of being lynched if it comes down to the end game. Short of knowing her targets, Catwoman will be essentially hoping for a mafia victory, and thus killing the most pro-town people. If we neutralize Catwoman ASAP, and get Batman on our side, we gain a massive advantage. Yes we lose three townies in the immediate future, but it's better than risking losing more when we don't have to. | ||
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On February 06 2012 19:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This would be a good example of that. Because Batman wins off lynches, it doesn't benefit for him to work actively against us. Point out the guy you think is Hugo, don't hand over the vig to Batman. Trading the Joker for a 100% Joker kill that night/day is a good trade. Why would we out Joker to help a third party that has to help us anyway when we can keep our vig potentially for a couple days at least? That's not a good plan. He doesn't gain powers from killing Joker, it's just part of his win condition. If we don't hand the joker over, Batman has to guess who he is, and has a reason to shoot townies. | ||
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That is why we should give up the Joker. | ||
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On February 06 2012 20:03 Tunkeg wrote: Well, both your way, Dr H's way and my way might all be viable strategies for Batman, it depends on many things though. My way: Early hits is pretty safe for Batman as both factions are far from elimination. Therefor my logic is that he might as well just hit and try his luck instead of DT the ones he suspects and then later hit them. Dr H's way: DT all the way until he finds his targets. Secure that Batman don't help any faction, and is the safer option as he won't whittle away any of the factions. It might take longer for Batman to secure his objectives compared to my way, but it is definatly safer. Your way: DT early and hit late makes Batmans hit more accurate as he have less people to chose from. But this is the most risky strat of it all for Batman IMO. Cause if Batman misshit lategame he might just end the game. Well, now I have rambled on long enough about the Joker claim thing. I think all of you know where I stand and why. Unless someone want me to clarify more on my stance I will just leave this for now, so other topics may be discussed or others might put in their two cents on the Joker claim thing. If the early DT checks die, it was all for naught. He might as well shoot into the dark. | ||
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And we kill docH because he's catwoman | ||
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On February 07 2012 07:19 layabout wrote: glad you asked: the names above the key are there because there was no room below the key. that picture will become my primary tool for scumhunting in this and quite likely furture games. it is similar in essence to a Nisani "node graph" but is better because it is in paint. You also prompted me to add a new section for those players that i just cannot read I present Arkham city V 2.0.1.png: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/i9O8W.png) Dumb players still exsist in town/scum/neut, you might want to shade that somehow. On February 07 2012 07:17 Kurumi wrote: What the hell are You trying to force a modkill or something also, brilliant plan, too bad it's only one sentence... No. Because you want Batman aiming for townies right? On the DocH-Catwoman thing (filter) If we use my plan, Batman is almost a non-issue, but that's one less person for DocH to throw up on the stand before he goes up there. Notice the tendancy to talk about neutrals. He dismisses things about Batman, but trys to avoid talking about Catwoman to a large extent, and attempts to use it to make the neutrals look like they pose no threat at all. What struck me the most, notice how he has a game-plan layed out for neutrals getting town credit, yet Batman wouldn't need town credit in my plan at all. | ||
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On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote: Let's all claim green btw, to see if it helps town.Shall we? I am not talkinng setup anymore, if you haven't realised that. I think you understand quite clearly what I meant, but are so stubborn/stupid not to reconize. Look, ppl are still talking Setup/Strat, things on which you cannot accuse anyone, because bad plans may just as well be bad townies' brainchildren. And bad townies abund, WBG you are one of them. Repeat, for the last damn time: Voting kenpachi was a Random vote/Pressure Vote-For just claiming townie D1, I cannot hope to reasonably accuse someone. So why keep my vote on Kenpachi? He's responded, some say in his trademark fashion, I have thrown my ideas around, but it seems Kenpachi's meta looks just like that. How could I miss a pg39 post of 2 lines in a Mafia L thread that had 160+ pages?Seriously, how could I? By posting like I did, I hoped to attract some attention, maybe some votes on me.But what I did not expect was no lynch candidate after 24+ hours, and now I am myself a lynch candidate. This bit shows your stupidity or that you joined my wagon in a hurry. If Kenpachi is scum, scum obv know who is scum. I'll not defend myself further.Waste of time. If, at the end of D1, they're still votes piling on me, I'll straight out claim. So basically you're apologising for not checking his filter, and you still don't actually have a reason to have voted? | ||
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On February 07 2012 23:38 Radfield wrote: Additionally, although this is a minor point, Toad says they are mafia, or third party. There is simply no reason for a town player to add in the last bit. If Toad is scum he likely KNOWS that CC and Layabout are town, so the inclination to hedge and call them third party is large. Not a huge thing, but really jumped out at me when I read it. I'm not quite sure I follow that correctly. Why is a townie making a mafia/third party distinction scummy? | ||
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We should satisfy the neutrals town targets asap so they don't have any reason to fire randomly. You can pray they DT if you want, but It's not something I want to rely on. I still feel like someone that could kill every night might do it just because they can, and I still suspect it's more optimal than DT'ing. I expect 2-3 groups arose to take a stance on my plan: -Mafia to shut it down -The townies who are targets, out of selfishness - But that's the last I'm going to say about it. | ||
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On February 08 2012 07:52 Toadesstern wrote: I don't see a problem with anyone on CC except for layabout but if CC flips red laya is okayish. I do see problems with some people voting sheth, mainly hiro and BM. I'd like to get people on CC instead of sheth. Yes I think sheth is a good lynch but with the most recent posts I really think CC is a far better lynch. Just read his filter and give me a single reason you could think he's town. Look at what he's posting the last couple of hours: Nothing. That's right. He was first in votes for most time I think. Yeah it was a close one but still why isn't he saying a word? Wouldn't a townie try to defend himself or try to scumhunt to prove he's a townie? A townie would not leave this without a comment, a townie would activly try to get someone lynched who's not a 100% mislynch because if he knew that he's a townie he'd know that it's going to be a mislynch as well. I won't say that sheth is a bad lynch because it's not but he's one of those 3 to 4 people I think will end up being a coinflip and I had a scumread on sheth in L d1 as well and ended up being wrong. I actually think lynching sheth is good as well. I'm just saying lynching CC is way better. That guy is activly pushing a blue to claim, he is not helping, not even mentioning his reads or whatever and he's bound to flip mafia or third party imo. He did a lot d1.1 that is VERY easy to do as mafia. It mainly was some talk about the setup and what we should do with the joker. That's all good and fine but ever since he completly stopped posting somethign of content. It's like he's sitting back watching the thread, even when people are casting votes on him. That's not a good sign at all. Well, I'm willing to lynch RG/DocH/chaoser/you at the moment if it makes you feel any better, in that order. | ||
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On February 08 2012 04:16 Bill Murray wrote: doctorhelvetica has contributed more than nearly everyone within the thread, do you not see that? would scum not advocate talking about 3rd party, then do so, in a direct contradiction? he's also being really up front. Where? | ||
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I feel like RG might be Hugo. Ico seems like a decent choice for lynch, if for some reason he comes up as a viable option, I could agree to swap. @BM, you are insane, but in an awesome makes the game more interesting way. Please never change! | ||
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This was VE in mafia L He was a town aligned Joat that game, and it looks similar enough to his play here for me to let it pass for now. | ||
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Could you please put it in the day posts in future? | ||
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Katina's filter I forgot this person exsisted. The whole filter is essentially one liners that add nothing, and as such, I like the idea of lynching Katina. But alright, I'll humor you. On February 08 2012 09:00 Katina wrote: Sheth has presented a good case against Cyber and Viscera so far. I would really like to hear what CC has to say about all of this. So far he hasn't really been putting up much of a fight in his defense and that peaks my interest. Tell me what exactly you answered, and I'll give you an answer, and the reason I didn't answer it before. | ||
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On February 08 2012 09:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Tell me what exactly you (want) answered, and I'll give you an answer, and the reason I didn't answer it before. | ||
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On February 08 2012 09:25 Katina wrote: My vote is still for Sheth. Why are you getting so defensive so quickly? Did I hit a sore spot? You're pretty quick to be accusing other people and shifting blame. For someone who 'wanted answers', you don't ask too many questions. When I called you out on that, you call me defensive? I don't even. | ||
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Yes. How exactly did me answering that divine anything? | ||
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RG/Katrina/DocH On February 08 2012 09:40 Kurumi wrote: I demand quick answers. Yeah no. I'll answer when I see them, but I'm not going to sit here refreshing the thread for you. | ||
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Yes. At the moment, still him. He's not ideal, but Sheth seems fine and I'm the other leading option. Why isn't Katrina, who demanded 'answers' out of me the one doing all the asking? | ||
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On February 08 2012 09:48 Kurumi wrote: So, You're fine with voting Sheth even if he isn't Your target? I could have phrased that better. Yes, RG is Schworz. He has my vote. I'm not voting for Sheth today. | ||
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On February 08 2012 09:52 Katina wrote: My goodness sir, if you were to read my post you would see I wasn't demanding any answers. I was merely commenting that you weren't defending yourself with all these votes going on about you and Sheth. I'm not sure why you are trying to turn the blame onto everyone else instead of simply stating why you are innocent. It's mind boggling. Are you scared or something? That's the vibe I'm getting here. I'm calling you out on some throwaway statement you made, and now you're trying to discredit me with 'Suddenly defensive' and 'Turning the blame'? If the questions don't seem important enough to bring up here, why is it so important that I answered them? | ||
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On February 08 2012 09:52 Kurumi wrote: What do You think about layabout and BM, both shady characters voting me right now? (one vote off You and Sheth) I haven't really paid attention to either, so I'm null on both. I'm not really a fan of layabouts pictures, it seems like a good reason to move people around without explaining it. BM's play will confuse me until I have more information to work with. | ||
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On February 08 2012 10:23 wherebugsgo wrote: I really like a Cyber_Cheese lynch right now, actually. I've been ignoring most of his posts because I generally do that when someone posts like he does. Every game so far I've simply assumed Cyber Cheese is bad, but he's played enough to know by now not to play like this as town. Look at the post above this one : it's a running theme for CC to post absolutely spineless posts, with distinct lack of opinion and contribution. I don't think RG should get off the hook so easily for claiming DT, but it definitely is not a good idea to kill him today when the chance is very strong that he is just really terrible. Also I love you chaoser. He's the only one in thread so far who's had the balls to say what he thinks. Lastly, the sheth lynch: what I don't like is how fast his wagon picked up and how literally no one has defended him. His defense of himself has been rather poor, but having only played one town game, I can see him doing this if he were town. Ofc, I was scum when he was town, so perhaps I'm biased. I want to hear thoughts on this wagon. Palmar, Radfield, Dr. H, chaoser: what do you make of sheth receiving so many votes so quickly? ##unvote ##vote Cyber_Cheese This post seems strange for two reasons. 1) You didn't tunnel anyone yet? That's all I've ever seen you do as town. 2) For someone calling me out on 'spineless posts', you don't seem to be putting much effort into the accusation. | ||
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Schworz claimed DT, if he isn't dead soon, he's likely scum of some sort. I'm not going to vote for myself. Relative to those, I am comfortable with Ico based off Kitaman and Adam's cases. Ico looks like he might gain enough votes to become a serious candidate. ##Unvote: rgtheSchworz ##Vote: Ico | ||
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Will reevaluate and get back to you guys. ##Unvote: Ico | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Current votes] + Liquid`sheth - 8 hiroprotagonist katina kurumi Forumite Palmar radfield Visceraeyes tunkeg Cyber_cheese - 7 Toadesstern drH slardar ico tyrran wbg chaoser Kurumi – 2 Billmurray Layabout -_-qualis – 1 rgtheschworz ico – 2 adam4167 cyber_cheese toadesstern – 2 Kenpachi Risk.nuke DrH – 1 Jayjay54 Chaoser – 1 Tobberoth Visceraeyes – 1 Liquid`sheth People in red are the current candidates I'm willing to vote for, in order of preference it's bottom to top. If none of them have a decent sized wagon, my vote will probably be used for self-preservation. just in case I'm not back in time ##Vote Chaoser | ||
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On February 08 2012 11:58 ~OpZ~ wrote: Moving my vote to C_C due to reservations against wanting sheth dead just yet...Just....Yet.... K, I'ma start swimming. Gotta go pick up my dress pants and button up after I finish in this disgusting joker fish water..... This won't do.If you don't think I'm scum, vote someone who is. You said something about DocH, that's one of the people I'm happy with. So. ##Unvote Chaoser ##Vote Doctor Helvetica /phone is bad for mafia  | ||
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On February 08 2012 12:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No one is taking that seriously except you, I trashed your shitty plan already so drop it. Catwoman had her way, and that's regretful. That doesn't mean it was a bad plan. | ||
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On February 08 2012 12:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Giving up the vig Day 1 to a third party that has no incentive to shoot anybody? Yeah it's a terrible plan. The fact that you're using that as some kind of proof that I'm catwoman is ridiculous. Keep making yourself look like scum or batman though. The mafia game doesn't last that long. Why gamble on having two nights when you can hit a person every night? | ||
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On February 08 2012 12:39 kitaman27 wrote: You have a role claim for us CC? No | ||
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I told you guys they would shoot every night, and they pretty much did. Sitting back and checking people is for pansies. | ||
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