EPTOn February 14 2012 01:19 Kurumi wrote:
Schworz, are You a medic or vigilante?
Schworz, are You a medic or vigilante?
what? didn't you confirm his DT claim?
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On February 14 2012 01:22 Toadesstern wrote: If palmar kills me tomorrow he risks losing this game before finding hugo. There is no reason to kill me first unless he has to. Medics can't safe me and if palmar wants to kill me he does that. If we lynch palmar instead we give mafia an additional 3 free KP because we lynched someone who's not mafia to safe 1 (!) guy (that's me). Wait. Let's assume Palmar keeps you alive and is shooting scum this game, then we have 2 KP at night (well, you two). If we lynch him, we'd have one KP. How does mafia loose 3 KP if we keep him alive? I do not want to argue here, I just don't get your point. | ||
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On February 14 2012 01:26 Kurumi wrote: That or vet. Probably Two-Face's bodyguard. and why the fuck did you confirm his DT claim? to save him? wow. | ||
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hmm. this may be setup speculation, but do you really think we have 0 DTs? | ||
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@Toad: What if we mislynch our only DT? That is even worse. Also, if you're killed at night one and survive otherwise, our batman lynch is backed up with your KP in one night... Therefore, I go with palmar. a) radfields name claim b) I highly doubt we have 0 DTs in this kind of setup (this may be the noob in me speaking) c) radfield check provided good information, I hope he continues to do so. Right now, I have no reason to believe Rad lied at any point. Palmar has been doing things all over and I am sure if we mislynch Rad he just claims to not have claimed...He has been trolling all game long. He will very likely flip batman right now, which would save Toad and give us an extra KP for a long time (assuming that Rad is being RBed) ##vote Palmar | ||
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On February 14 2012 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar is NOT THE BATMAN!!! He's SCUM! Why do you think he's third? Because HE says he's got an unblockable shot? THINK guys! If he claimed that, he'd be claiming third party WHICH WOULD GET HIM MODKILLED. He's selling you a load of bullshit and you're eating it up "because he's Palmar". Here's my suggestion for the order of operations: Lynch Palmar If scum, lynch the fuck out of Toad or anyone else trying to sell the idea that he's Batman If Batman, lynch the fuck out of Radfield because he's probably Talia He is probably batman VE. | ||
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On February 14 2012 01:54 Toadesstern wrote: Okay here's the thing people. I'm pretty sure he won't shoot me because he still has to figure hugo out. If he already knows who's hugo (palmar could have lied, never shot rad, checked him instead, said he shot him, making us think he he talia) and wants us to lynch hugo so that he can just shoot me. That's a possibility and I'm willing to take that risk. Because in every other scenario he's helping town. Even if it's what I just said in brackets, which is highly unlikely given Radfield said he took a hit, I don't care. We have to win this and lynching Batman is not to win. Yes I am the joker, yes I am a multivig, yes I might die, no blueroles don't win this game theirselves. We need to lynch mafia today. pfffuuh. I am not sure I agree with you. If we mislynch and he kills you, we're pretty much screwed. Lynching Palmar let us keep our dayvig alive which is as good as a KP as palmar, only pure town. To the RB thing, I don't know why scum blocked batman instead of Rad. WIFOM: maybe they thought palmar is killing bugs... who do you want to lynch toad? Rad's name + the fact that no other DT claimed makes me really unconfident lynching him. | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:03 Toadesstern wrote: yeah they need to RB palmar tonight. They can't RB me even if they want to. And so far I said a lot of things. I said i'm going to shoot hiro, I said I'm going to shoot kita and I said I'm going to shoot you. Nevertheless I think you're mafia right now. Mafia will not RB me tonight. They're probably going to kill me to reduce town KP. I am mafia now? Because I voted batman? To save you? Nice. They will RB you and batman will kill you. Then, and we agree here, he will be helping town A LOT. Batman has 5 cycles to reduce mafia KP. The question is, if we want to keep batman around or you. There is no other scenario IMO. I'd rather keep you, as you are confirmed town + multivig. | ||
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VE, palmar basically 75% claimed batman, all his actions scream batman. It makes you look really scummy that you call him scum. | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:14 Kurumi wrote: You just want to RB me and protect Your team. Oh well. Burn the Heretic. Kill the Mutant. Purge the Unclean. I am on a crusade. well. you are catwoman. You only have to kill town. | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:16 kitaman27 wrote: Apologies for my absence. I've been without internet for the last 24 hours. I tried to stop by the library yesterday, but all the computers were taken and I didn't stick around to wait. Funny that I'm apparently suddenly scum because I go half a day without posting. Since when have I ever been an afk scum? I already gave you guys the list of bad guys, what more do you want? I could spam up the thread and make a new fake claim every few hours if that would make everyone feel better. The notion that Radfield is a town detective is pretty funny. The scum team decides to leave Radfield, the town detective, alive and unblocked? lolol He won't give his name until he is sure nobody else will claim it? lolol His check just happens to be on the guy that died? lolol He just happens to take a mysterious hit and survive by medic protection? lolol He roleclaims after one check, making him useless for the rest of the game? lolol Third party or scum, I don't trust him. Consider his motivations. Palmar is obviously being extremely anti-town as well. In response to layabout: I never voted for VE because it was a random vote hours into the game to promote discussion. At the end of the day, I'm voting for ico, the person I think most likely to flip scum. You attack me for mentioning that I don't think CC suggests a plan as scum. It may not be a common theme for games you've played in, but its a heuristic that seems to work pretty well. So what exactly is my motivation? I'm explaining why I'm unwilling to vote for CC. You would think giving people are reason not to vote for him would give me townie points not scum points. I don't really follow your discussion about kurumi. He fake claims vig, I pushed him for a name claim because I thought he was lying. (Turns out he was) Does that make him scum? Maybe, not really looking at him at the moment. How exactly was I supposed to explain my stance on Sheth? There was a red dt check. Not really much to discuss. Fake dt claims don't make sense in those kind of situations. You're trying to say that I was pushing a chaoser lynch instead of a Sheth lynch? lol. Sheth obviously was flipping. It was like 22v2. My discussion about a chaoser lynch was for subsequent days. This point is silly. I like an evantrees lynch. -He accuses CC as being catwomen and states that he plans to vote for him. Scum know that he can't be scum, so they accuse their suspects of being third party. -When actually voting for CC, he uses the phrase "bah" as if he doesn't want to vote or is being bullied into voting. This was the guy you just said you wanted lynched hours earlier wasn't it? -He votes Schworz on early day two. Scum know that DrH can't possibly be red. I think everyone should go back and read the Schworz-DrH exchange and take a look at who has additional knowledge of the situation. I must have missed something. Why does everyone consider chaoser green/blue? I can't seem to find where Schworz gives the result of his check. This is the guy that fake claimed the day one check. Why is anything he says actually taken at face-value? If not evantrees I think I'd still prefer rayzorflash or chaoser. I was kinda spooked when evantrees asks a question about a scum role in green, but scum have done that plenty of times in the past (I hate when they do -_-) Hey  speaking of the devil well timed bro.so what's your stance on lynching batman, you're a vet, you'll have reason. Lynching Palmar as batman to save joker? good? bad? Also evantrees is still not a good choice  he voted rG when it was time to vote him, he votes sheth immediatly he calls WBG scum. HIs post seem towny too. A coinflip at best. | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:25 Toadesstern wrote: the only issue I have right now is, that both CW and the Bat are trying to help town right now. At least one of them has to kill 2 blue roles. Kurumi said several times that he wants me to beg for mercy and Kurumi shot wbg. I really thought it's the other way arround: Kurumi = Bat, Palmar = CW because of that. didn't palmar say that he couldn't kill rad, because he's talya? I thought the whole point is based on that. I am pretty certain he's batman. | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:31 Toadesstern wrote: could be a lie and he dt'ed him. We can't lynch third-party and we need to lynch mafia. I'm just having 2nd thoughts right now :p you really want to do this, don't you? If we lynch scum you are even more dead , but that's a noble sacrifice.so who do you think? VEs recent posts were bad. | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:33 kitaman27 wrote: There is no way we should lynch the batman. He doesn't win until he finds Hugo. He might even shoot into some other scum in the process. We should focus on lynching scum to snowball the information. Catwoman is a bit tougher, but I'd still prefer to find another scum before we lynch into her. The only reason I'd want to lynch Palmar is if I though he was scum. It is certainly possible he is trying to make everyone believe he is third party, but I'd rather lynch into my list first. It's unfortunate that we lose the Joker, but Batman should know he has to find Hugo first in order to protect himself from a scum majority. I don't think voting Sheth immediately matters one way or another. There was a red dt check on him. He does call WBG scum, but he doesn't actually follow through with it. Why is he voting CC if bugs is his scumread? I might make a more detailed case on Rayzor or chaoser if I have time. No promises though. alright, I asked for your advice. I think you are a vet and know what to do. ##unvote I still don't agree on evantrees, however. What about NUKE, I made a case, if you want to have a look. I still think he's the best lynch of the lurk fraction. | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:48 kitaman27 wrote: Don't try to sheep onto me. Vote giving your own reasons. I'd be much more open to lynching you than risk. There was an error in the votecount. Risk voted for sheth on day one making it something like 9v7 in favor of Sheth. Why are you unwilling to vote evantrees who called bugs scum, yet so willing to lynch risk, who called Sheth scum. Could you explain your preference? I sheeped by choice. Normally I don't sheep, but this time, I might have a wrong idea. And I never played with third parties. So I sincerely asked for vet advise. as to why nuke >> evantrees: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850¤tpage=139#2776 | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:55 kitaman27 wrote: I don't find much value in that case. Why don't you take into account his vote on Sheth? Instead, you make it out to seem like a bad thing. What do you think about Rayzor and chaoser? He votes after the DT check, same as evantrees. There is basically nothing to take into account, because he was 100% bussed (which negates evantree towntell as well at this point). I just don't like the "funny" sentence. Also, he is the most active lurker and hasn't done shit. He is much less coinflip to me than evan. He only jumps out to defend himself. ico seemed green, rayzor is not as towny, more neutral (not red though), but he still lives on ico on my spreadsheet. Overall coinflip / town. chaoser was red to me, then rg claimed he checked him, then kurumi confirmed rg being DT. so I took chaoser as green. Now I learned that kurumi lied to save rg. This might nullify rg's check. So I'd be up for a lynch. | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:05 Kurumi wrote: Schworz is just insane bodyguard, leave him alone. I wasn't accusing him, I was saying that the greencheck on chaoser is void again. | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:07 Forumite wrote: rgtheschworz, why don´t you reveal your Chaoser-check? At least say if he´s Town or not. he is no DT, kurumi just validated the role, because he thought rg is town. there is no chaoser check. this also makes me wonder if we really have no town DT (if rad is red). sad panda | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:10 kitaman27 wrote: He votes Sheth on day one too? That's kinda a big thing to miss... I missed it cause it didn't happen: On February 08 2012 12:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Liquid`sheth - 7 hiroprotagonist katina Forumite Palmar radfield Visceraeyes tunkeg Cyber_cheese - 12 Toadesstern drH slardar ico tyrran wbg chaoser liquid`sheth jackal opz evantrees billmurray Kurumi – 1 Layabout -_-qualis – 2 rgtheschworz kurumi ico – 2 kitaman adam4167 toadesstern – 2 Kenpachi Risk.nuke DrH – 2 Jayjay54 cyber_cheese Chaoser – 1 Tobberoth if anyone sees a mistake here please let me know | ||
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