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Jayjay54
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Given, that we don't lynch palmar. We need do discuss more. How about nuke. His filter looks aweful. One liners with no content whatsoever. He agrees with the Sheth vote after Rad announces the check. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=76576¤tpage=All This is pretty much the definition of lurking. I know from all that he can be quite vocal. risk you in here? What is your new favourite lynch choice? I would lynch him as, too. | ||
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Jayjay54
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On February 13 2012 03:49 rgTheSchworz wrote: Toad, if one of them´s scum, both are. It´s just weird that Bill would protect laya twice. Either they re both scum or both town. rg, use your logic. Say BM thinks layana is good town, he protects him two times. What does that have to do with lanaya's real alignment. Also why can't BM just lying about protecting him. Lanaya only gets notified when he was hit, he was alive so BM knew he wasn't killed. (I find that unlikely, but it's possible as well) So no, everything is possible. Especially a scum lanaya and town BM should not be counted out. [This has nothing to do with me seeing lanaya as scum, I just want to argue with that "Both town or both scum" idea] | ||
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On February 13 2012 03:52 rgTheSchworz wrote: But they can t be one scum the other not. BM scum laya not doesnt make ANY sense. BM not scum, laya scum either. I ... you use words, but you don't say anything with sense. => I'll ignore your posts from now on. (maybe red checks) | ||
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On February 13 2012 04:01 Kurumi wrote: He's Scum Godfather Medic and Bearer of 1 KP. Best lynch ever. Get rid of GF, Medic and 1KP. I don't think the Scum Godfather Medic and Bearer of 1 KP would nameclaim n1. CC => instadeath. The role is way too important to nameclaim that early. | ||
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On February 13 2012 04:07 Kurumi wrote: BM claimed to protect layabout both N1 and N2, instead of obvious targets like Jackal or DrH. On top of that, both are scummy, not to add that BM is just actively lurking and does not play properly. Add that layabout is weird about his "save". BM is not the GF in my book, he may be scum though. The absence of a hush CC gives a lot of towncred though. I would lynch nuke and hiro right now. | ||
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On February 13 2012 04:12 rgTheSchworz wrote: Please read my explanation of BM and laya having the same alignment. Satisfied? no. laya fakeclaims a hit and is scum, BM is just medic doing his thing. how is that not possible? Whatever. If you want to check them, who do you want to lynch now rg? | ||
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On February 13 2012 04:16 Kurumi wrote: Let's hang the goon first, then. Layabout. Would rather not lynch him, he made one bluefishish post when I knew who the joker was, that one stuck with me in a bad way. The case against kita wasn't actually that bad and raised a new topic. Same with Tunkeg. This case wasn't as good, it was still contributing. I am not convinced that he is scum at this point. The hit claim doesn't mean shit, though, he knew he was protected, it's easy to say he has been hit (he knew the format because BM and Rad did it before him). | ||
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On February 13 2012 04:44 Kurumi wrote: Check layabout. Hugo is a Godfather, thus he chooses his disguise. again, (I don't know why I have to repeat myself), why would a GF NAMEclaim n1 without being accused. You'd maybe claim medic, but not name. | ||
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On February 13 2012 04:51 Kurumi wrote: The thing is not protect itself, but the TIMING. If hosts forgot about a protect (mind, You're only informed of a save when You're actually hit) he would be.. DEAD. Thanks to this, we know he's LYING. Add that the hosts weren't even around him claiming he "just got the pm" and TADAAM. it's kinda the same to me if the host forgets to send out a pm or forgets to count in a protect. Why is a forgotten PM more unlikely than a forgotten save. Overall his efforts seem town. Atm I am not willing to lynch either one...(Double) DT check should be sufficient. | ||
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vote: risk.nuke feel free to step up nuke, my unvote is freely available. Right now, you give me little reason to do so. Same goes for hiro. Without martyring please. | ||
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Jayjay54
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OMGUS much? what did you contribute? I even said in that post that you can my unvote pretty easily. Not with an OMGUS, but an actual contribution. | ||
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On February 13 2012 06:20 risk.nuke wrote: lol, what'cha want from me scum? Mafia Dummy: You're lurking >_< Awesome Townie: No I'm not? repeat this back and forth for 20 pages. Just skip the part where we do that. Just the fact that you say that I can get your unvote pretty easily is laughable. From a townie perspective what is that a pressure vote? Pressure voting day 3 is laughable, arguably stupid and you just don't do that. You lynch your strongest scumread day 3. I mean the problem here isn't that you claim you think I am lurking. You're voting for me which equals I am your strongest scum-read. Which by extension is. You're trying to sell that your best scum read day 3 is a half-lurker who's been on the right side of every lynch. Sorry, I don't buy. Your case just reeks of the uncertainty that comes from when an unexperienced mafia player tries to make a case on a person he knows is town. You're making the classical scum-mistake of going to easy out. Possibly fearing the retribution that comes from a townie-accusation. Which is pretty much a scum-confession because as we have already stated. Day 3 we lynch our strongest scumread. Telling me that I, as your strongest scumread can get of easily leads to the questions, 'how strong scumreads do you have then?' and 'Are you full of bullshit?' Just the fact that you didnt post for a while, but instantly answer when I vote you is proof that lurk hard. You also say that I am afraid of town accusation and therefore accuse you. That doesnt make sense. I made just easily sheep evantrees and no one would care. I don't. I speak up and yes right now you and hiro are my strongest scum reads. Everybody sheeps evan, because he voted CC and lurks. I believe that isnt a strong scum sign. Your posting lacks so much contribution. Who is your strongest scum read nuke. I am listening. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=76576¤tpage=ALL he starts off with a strange vote on Toad without any case: On February 08 2012 03:56 risk.nuke wrote: ##Vote Toadesstern Behold Sir. Spam-alot from the kingdom of no-content. I got scumvibes from him earlier as I was reading the thread. Nothing in his filter tells me otherwise. I like him more then other lynch-candidates. Meta: I've seen him under suspicion before and he acted calm and reserved, nothing like this. I reserve the right to change my mind at any time. He proceeds to talk a little about confirming every one of the town network (contributing without contributing) He sheepvotes Sheth with a “funny” reason. On February 09 2012 23:09 risk.nuke wrote: If sheth is scum the information gain weights in alot. ##Vote Sheth also sheth most often scum. less often not scum. That’s all she wrote for votes, cases or whatever. That’s his collected contribution for the first few days. This post is awesome too On February 10 2012 06:10 risk.nuke wrote: Beeing lurky isn't a valid option to be scum in this game. Because of the spammers overwhelming everyone. I'm pretty sure somewhere between 600 and 1000 posts (corresponding 30-50 pages) could be removed completely and not affect the overall information the slightest. If we're going to shoot lurkers then we should first shoot the fucking spammers spreading their chaos.. ...then we can look into shooting lurkers. Convenient if you are a lurker yourself, isn’t it? The next day he pops up, first to soft defend himself: On February 12 2012 23:42 risk.nuke wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2012 20:04 Kurumi wrote: You're not a DT, silly. Liquid`sheth - 7 hiroprotagonist katina Forumite Palmar radfield Visceraeyes tunkeg Cyber_cheese - 12 Toadesstern drH slardar ico tyrran wbg chaoser liquid`sheth jackal opz evantrees billmurray Kurumi – 1 Layabout -_-qualis – 2 rgtheschworz kurumi ico – 2 kitaman adam4167 toadesstern – 2 Kenpachi Risk.nuke DrH – 2 Jayjay54 cyber_cheese Chaoser – 1 Tobberoth That's Day 1 final vote tally. The best source of info we're probably going to have. The second day is crapshoot, with entire town voting Sheth besides.. chaoser - 1 Palmar kurumi - 2 wherebugsgo bill murray not voting - tobberoth There were two people voting me day 1: Bill Murray layabout So: 3 People voted me through the game: wherebugsgo Bill Murray, who claimed Hush the Medic and RB D2 and went inactive since then layabout, who was one of the first people to vote CC Anyway, we might just ditch everything and lynch Radfield since he's alive on Day 3. Just for the protocol, I changed my vote to sheth but forgot to unvote. I didn't actually realise I hadn't unvoted untill just now. Everything just to get off scum lists. He is out for 6 hours, but insta (15 minutes) response to my vote: I am not going to argue about his obvious OMGUS case. But the key here is to note how actively lurking he is. He reads the thread and just responses if he has to. He hasn’t done a single case yet. Not a single one. And his vote reasons were non-existent as well. Now I am on his scum list. Just for OMGUS (PLEASE MAKE A CASE). Whatever, the thing is, he didn’t provide a single reason for this list: On February 13 2012 22:06 risk.nuke wrote: Why are we lynching eventress? Lynch one of these guys jayjay forumite radfield tunkeg he just continues to not give any edges or opinions, he wants to stay unnoticed. Noncontributing active lurker who only pops up to defend himself => scum ________________________________________________ Radfield / Palmar: The thing which I found odd, is Radfield’s name claim. As long there is no CC I’d rather not lynch him, considering how much trolling Palmar did this game. I still hope for a CC and a quick and hard process against Rad in that case. So far Rad has given one correct read and a name which is pro town. So if there is another Calender Man out there (RG?) please speak up! _________________________________________________ Palmar: I agree with Toad, I’d rather keep him alive, he can’t afford to kill Toad right now, so no one lynch Palmar right now. I’d also like to know, why the fuck I am on your scum list? I respect you (although you troll the shit outta town) and you are batman, so your accusations are most likely genuine (if you don’t want to prolong the game artificially). You're also the first who accused me without being accused by me first. All I can do is to advertise you my filter this game and scan for anti-town actions (hint: there aren’t any). I’ll also provide my only game so far (medic) for reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=125084¤tpage=All There is nothing else I can do, since there is no case I can defend against. Also your list of blue roles is really random (nuke? really?). ______________________________________________________ I’d be up for lynching either nuke or hiro at this point (maybe kita too, he hasn’t done shit). I am fairly sure two of them are scum. Evantrees is a joke for a lynch. Lurker coinflip who most likely just unluckily voted for CC at the wrong time. | ||
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Also, yea J's posting is bad recently. he already made a bas post summarizing the game a while ago. I'd lynch him as well. | ||
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On February 14 2012 00:40 Toadesstern wrote: If Rad really is red that's a nice post. The nested quote is the important part: That means that my list was complete and utter bullshit. probably not complete utter bullshit. I'd guess Rad is not afraid to agree to list with one or two scums. But yeah, if he's red, most of them are probably town. Hint: it's not nuke | ||
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Jayjay54
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My biggest point for a palmar lynch was that we save toad. Toad pointed out that batman can't kill him because of 15 to 5. Reconsidering, what are his other options. Shoot his scum list and hoping he doesn't miss (even if he DT'ed and knew that rad is taya, he can't shoot the al ghul chick)? And he has to shoot you at some point anyways. I don't know if we can trust that and toad's multivig ability is pretty damn good. We could medic the shit out of toad and had a a) two(one if Rad is red) free DT b) an additional KP so maybe lynching batman is indeed a good idea. | ||
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On February 14 2012 01:09 Toadesstern wrote: There is literally no reason to lynch palmar if he's the only one being RB'ed n2 and noone else claimed being rb'ed. So? He is batman. | ||
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On February 14 2012 01:13 Toadesstern wrote: and I said a lot of times that I think palmar is 3rd party. I as well did not realize that Talia is immune vs batman which was like the last puzzle piece that finally made everything clear. There's a shitload of reasons to believe Palmar is batman and it makes sense with his "WTF why are you still alive Rad" post from d2 if he really is Batman. You could argue that maybe Palmar lied about that as well and never shot Radfield but rad claimed to be shot as well, for whatever reason. the radfield thing is totally independent from the question if a batman lynch is good (e.g. to save you, I am pretty sure you die, if we spare him). The thing that puzzles me is the name claim. RG you mind telling us if you are calender man? | ||
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