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On February 11 2012 22:32 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 22:24 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 11 2012 22:11 Tunkeg wrote:
Some of you guys need to shut up allready. And especially you JayJay, are you scum or just really stupid? Fishing for blues and outing blues like you do.
eeeexcuse me? If you look through my filter you'll find like 5 posts telling toad and docH to shutthe hell up talking. You'll also find some posts where I deflect other bluehunting (layabout) by saying that this is bound to be kept secret. I just cleared everything up (e.g. why I know that this is legit) when the Doc posted that toad is joker. And I 100% agree that the joker claim is unnecessary as fuck. If you don't follow the thread, don't call others stupid. I follow the thread, and I see you constantly talking about blues, and breadcrumbs, just cut it the fuck out. PLEAAASE? It is so fucking anti-town that it is beyond me. What good is it to speculate about this? This will be the last I say about this, if you don't get it, fine.
I don't want to get mad here. And this is also my last post on this topic:
Things I did:
a) confirm that Doc is blue and not red to make sure everyone gets that rGs dt check is wrong (which it was)
b) saying multiple times that they talk to much and stop hinting who toad really is.
c) shutting down any questions about the true identites.
Things I did not:
a) Breadcrumbing. Please show me a post where I hint anything, please.
b) Bluefishing. It makes zeeeero sense to bluefish when I already knew the role. Which I did. So if I was scum, they'd knew anyways.
My play wasn't anti town whatsoever, I didn't bluefish and I vertainly didn't give away any blue information which weren' on the table already.
Why don't you call out Toad and Doc for talking, why me? You looking for a target to bite into? Most players already knew who Toad was after they mentioned a "codeword" and the post which had the codeword anyways. It is not my fault that you didn't notice.
Jayjay out.
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toad:
hiro is still a good choice to me.
also, why is rG not on there. his answer for how his DT claim makes sense as town was this:
"Assuming he can be RB ed.
JayJay, I can be town:
The real 2-face,
OR poison Ivy,
Or a random Vet/VT.
Read the thread closely"
I don't think that's a valid explanation.
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On February 11 2012 22:47 rgTheSchworz wrote:
JayJay read the damn thread.
I did lie about the DT check, everyone knows about it.
no shit, sherlock.
How does a fake DT check makes sense as town. Why did you fake it? What did you hope to achieve and why?
I already showed how this play makes sense as scum, but I can't see any where the DT play makes sense as town.
Being Two-Face and falseclaiming a DT check and risk being lynched? Yeah awesome townplay.
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@ toad: Still I don't see how he would not just faked the check on you...whatever. I still think the scum explanation is way better.
@tunkeg: I guess I know what you mean. Fair enough. Let's stop talking about it. However, if you look through my filter you'll see that I wasn't bluefishing and tried to keep joker safe...
@ rg: It's scumhunting not bluefishing. We don't stop calling people out because we are afraid that they might end up turning blue, we continue to hunt them if we think they are red.
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forumite. how are things? I couldn't find in your posts who you'd like to lynch right now. any suggestions?
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On February 12 2012 19:30 rgTheSchworz wrote:
The problem with what you re saying:
Mafia had a clear RB target n1, that was me.
I had not lied by that point.
So, if no one claims being RB n1, his claim and actions still stand as believable.
That´s why I would be reluctant to lynch him.
Today we lynch JayJay or Jaybrundage, with a preference for the latter.
Seriously, how is he not scum?
JayJay has not been useful this game, I still believe he was fishing, and he fits the scum profile of having lurked while the conflict between me/Toad/Doc/Palmar/Chaoser was going on.
Chaoser also has been moderately scummy, but his actions can somewhat be explained by him being town.
man, you continue to amaze me.
How the fuck where you a target for n1 roleblock. You were already a lynch candidate and there were several others who claimed blue while you were just one of the three two face claims.
Also, and this is more important. BM got roleblocked. At least he claims so. He claimed medic and was therefore a far better target than you. Not everything involves around you. Once again, your saying wrong stuff and continue to be full of shit.
JJ and J what do these guys have in common again. Oh that's right, your "scum"-list consists of people pushing for your lynch. That's apparantly a new criterium now. Stop OMGUSing and make a real case. I don't want to say J is town at this point, but your list is stupid.
There is literally no case on me right now. Saying I am scum without any other backup than "he is not helpfull and bluefishing", is ridiculous. I don't mind you making a case, though, cause I believe every case helps town in someway. Please go ahead.
Your logic is flawed by saying I was bluefishing. I knew from the mid of d1 that Toad is the Joker. I didn't need to bluefish there. Who else was I involved bluetalking about? Oh that's right, no one.
I was one of the first who said that Rad <=> Sheth need to die real hard. Which was true. I also confirmed DocH and Toad were town, which was also true. Next I will be pushing for your lynch real hard, which will be true, too.
My reads have been good so far and I stood up for them without fakeclaiming. Your reads are way off (Doc) or are based on who has an interest in lynching you, still you back them up with fakeclaims.
Now that might not be your definition as helpfull. I want to again give an explaination of your "helpfulness":
You fakeclaimed a check and thus tried to save sheth from his doom. You would have gotten a Clayface killed, then you would die yourself, bussed by your buddies including sheth, who would have died otherwise. From a scum perspective, that's a one to one trade with a mislynch. Sheth would have gotton some towncreds and maybe have a good chance to survive.
I still have no idea how a fakeclaim on a town guy makes sense from a town point of view. I don't mean what role you can be, but rather why you acted as you did. You dodged my questions multiple times. Your general quality of posts sucks. You give bad explanations for bad actions. You sir, are scum.
Toad claims that you really are a DT, so did you check last night chief? Who is red now? Palmar claims to be RBed, you want to CC?
I don't want to get confused by the fact that Bugs bussed you. That might be a towntell on your side, but I assume bugs is good enough to call teambuddies out every once in a while.
if you are really town, that is probably the worst town play i've ever seen. You continue to spread confusion, you sir need to go.
##vote: rgTheSchworz
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On February 12 2012 19:47 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I claimed my real role.
Remember, scum not believing and not wasting shots on me is good.
Dt-ed last night- Chaoser.
so what's the result honey.
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On February 12 2012 20:15 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 20:11 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 12 2012 19:47 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I claimed my real role.
Remember, scum not believing and not wasting shots on me is good.
Dt-ed last night- Chaoser. so what's the result honey. WBG was not bussing Schworz Day 1, are You crazy? He tried to set up a town lynch.
that's what I was saying, he bussed him and that might be a towntell, but I believe bugs is a scum player who calls teammates out for towncred.
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On February 12 2012 20:11 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I am Two-Face.
you claimed so yesterday, you also said that CW dted you. So why the fuck are you still here? Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit.
what's the result on chaoser? "guilty as expected"?
@kurumi: where is you foundation for rG being town? maybe you can defend him, if he can't himself with other words than "I am two-face, I say so all the time. Duh."
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On February 12 2012 20:22 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 20:18 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 12 2012 20:15 Kurumi wrote:On February 12 2012 20:11 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 12 2012 19:47 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I claimed my real role.
Remember, scum not believing and not wasting shots on me is good.
Dt-ed last night- Chaoser. so what's the result honey. WBG was not bussing Schworz Day 1, are You crazy? He tried to set up a town lynch. that's what I was saying, he bussed him and that might be a towntell, but I believe bugs is a scum player who calls teammates out for towncred. There's no freaking reason to try push Your teammate day 1. Seriously, how retarded is that? Not only You might put a weak player in the spotlight(is Schworz new? Check), but people might actually lynch him. And then what? You try to hold it? Scummy as fuck.
By the time, this gets serious he immediately makes other cases and switches his votes.
I just can't justify rGs play as town right now. Can you?
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On February 12 2012 20:25 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 20:21 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 12 2012 20:11 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I am Two-Face.
you claimed so yesterday, you also said that CW dted you. So why the fuck are you still here? Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit. what's the result on chaoser? "guilty as expected"? @kurumi: where is you foundation for rG being town? maybe you can defend him, if he can't himself with other words than "I am two-face, I say so all the time. Duh." He was obvious CW target N1 with claiming Two-Face. I am sure she did shoot him. He's not dead. That means he's town or Batman.
I don't understand that logic. If he is scum, cw wouldn't kill him, would she?
So the logic jump from
He's not dead => He's town / batman.
is flawed...
CW checks him, he's goon, so why bother and kill him.
He is also NOT batman. Batman would not claim DT IMO, because of the RB danger-
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On February 12 2012 20:38 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 20:32 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 12 2012 20:25 Kurumi wrote:On February 12 2012 20:21 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 12 2012 20:11 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I am Two-Face.
you claimed so yesterday, you also said that CW dted you. So why the fuck are you still here? Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit. what's the result on chaoser? "guilty as expected"? @kurumi: where is you foundation for rG being town? maybe you can defend him, if he can't himself with other words than "I am two-face, I say so all the time. Duh." He was obvious CW target N1 with claiming Two-Face. I am sure she did shoot him. He's not dead. That means he's town or Batman. I don't understand that logic. If he is scum, cw wouldn't kill him, would she? So the logic jump from He's not dead => He's town / batman. is flawed... CW checks him, he's goon, so why bother and kill him. He is also NOT batman. Batman would not claim DT IMO, because of the RB danger- She did not check him, she hit him. Also WBG is dead.
alright, kurumi :D
you assume bugs not bussing d1 plus cw hit instead of dt.
I'll go with bugs might even bus d1, cw dts. Because his play his too bad to be town.
My vote stays on him. If you believe, like I do, the latter, your vote should join mine. His defense is more than subpar.
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On February 12 2012 20:43 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 20:42 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 12 2012 20:38 Kurumi wrote:On February 12 2012 20:32 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 12 2012 20:25 Kurumi wrote:On February 12 2012 20:21 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 12 2012 20:11 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I am Two-Face.
you claimed so yesterday, you also said that CW dted you. So why the fuck are you still here? Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit. what's the result on chaoser? "guilty as expected"? @kurumi: where is you foundation for rG being town? maybe you can defend him, if he can't himself with other words than "I am two-face, I say so all the time. Duh." He was obvious CW target N1 with claiming Two-Face. I am sure she did shoot him. He's not dead. That means he's town or Batman. I don't understand that logic. If he is scum, cw wouldn't kill him, would she? So the logic jump from He's not dead => He's town / batman. is flawed... CW checks him, he's goon, so why bother and kill him. He is also NOT batman. Batman would not claim DT IMO, because of the RB danger- She did not check him, she hit him. Also WBG is dead. alright, kurumi :D you assume bugs not bussing d1 plus cw hit instead of dt. I'll go with bugs might even bus d1, cw dts. Because his play his too bad to be town. My vote stays on him. If you believe, like I do, the latter, your vote should join mine. His defense is more than subpar. Bussing scumbuddy D1 is terrible play. About CW. Oh well. You'll see.
It's not really bussing it's one (strong) case under several at the very beginning of the day. I can see that being valid as scum.
he also has a case on BM who you believe is scum, right?
Toad this shot wasn't really as good.
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On February 12 2012 21:00 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 11:52 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 12 2012 11:41 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm just afraid schworz might flip worst DT I ever saw and I got good reason to believe so.
I'm willing to lynch him later on but for now we'Ve got bigger fish in the pool and that fish is chaoser. We can still go after schworz later on.
What he did does not make sense from a mafia perspectiv neither does is make sense from a town perspective. A mafia however get's coaching from his allies. So it's not mafia imo. That leaves me with either BM-townish or with third party.
Just answer me this one wbg. Why should he claim DT who got a red check on docH and push for docH's lynch if he knew it to be wrong? why would he do that as town? are you thick? as scum that takes loads of pressure off his scumbuddies. If he was scum with Sheth that makes PERFECT sense. In fact, even the retraction makes sense from a scum perspective when it was obvious Sheth would not lynch. People like you are unwilling to believe he's scum now just because he's a new player and you legitimately think he could be that bad to do that as town. It makes no sense from a GOOD mafia perspective, but it certainly does from a bad one. It makes no sense at all from any kind of town perspective because it just serves to shit on town objectives. btw I take it schworz is confirmed townie for now. Noone lynch or shoot him.
wow it's really easy to become confirmed town these days.
1. Every scum accuse strongly each other.
2. One scum dies.
3. ????
4. Profit.
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man you guess are killing me. You really think that WBG would not make a case against a scumbuddy?
who do you lynch now?
I assume chaoser's "check" came back "green" or "blue".
Who is your next in line?
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On February 12 2012 21:17 Toadesstern wrote:
it's wbg + Schworz man. No way he would have pushed his own teammate so hard to get towncred, especially given under how much fire he was. Maybe he wanted to bus him but than again, why should he keep doing that after I gave him a reason to stop it?
WIFOM. I just don't see this as a big enough town tell to justify all of falseclaims...sorry. My vote will stay there.
On February 12 2012 21:17 Toadesstern wrote:
Also, mafia tripplestacked Clayface (wtf?) if noone else claims a hit. I told people to medic him and I'm just going to assume people are at least from time to time listening what I'm saying, especially when I'm a confirmed blue role so I'd say he got more hits than protections. Also I shot opz, which only leaves clayface and wbg and I hardly doubt they shot wbg themselves. Of course again, only if there's no other hit claimed but it hardly matters.
You don't know if / how he was protected. If mafia tripplestacked there could be number from 0-2 protecting him. You also forget the possibility of scum shooting third.
On February 12 2012 21:17 Toadesstern wrote:
It's probably improving our situation. Everyone knows I am confirmed Joker. Batman knows my immortality never was a fake to begin with, he also knows I am now mortal. Mafia still has to kill me and they will. Batman sure as hell won't waste a hit on me, he can simply let mafia deal with me now that I'm mortal again and search for Hugo. Mafia hits are np to some degree because medics can save me after all. EZPZ. I'm still up for lynching people like hiro or chaoser.
Chaoser was "checked" by our beloved falseclaimer. Since he didn't say otherwise, I'd say it came back blue / green.
Hiro is still a good choice (since no one questions rG).
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On February 12 2012 21:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 21:17 Toadesstern wrote:On February 12 2012 21:08 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 12 2012 21:00 Toadesstern wrote:On February 12 2012 11:52 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 12 2012 11:41 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm just afraid schworz might flip worst DT I ever saw and I got good reason to believe so.
I'm willing to lynch him later on but for now we'Ve got bigger fish in the pool and that fish is chaoser. We can still go after schworz later on.
What he did does not make sense from a mafia perspectiv neither does is make sense from a town perspective. A mafia however get's coaching from his allies. So it's not mafia imo. That leaves me with either BM-townish or with third party.
Just answer me this one wbg. Why should he claim DT who got a red check on docH and push for docH's lynch if he knew it to be wrong? why would he do that as town? are you thick? as scum that takes loads of pressure off his scumbuddies. If he was scum with Sheth that makes PERFECT sense. In fact, even the retraction makes sense from a scum perspective when it was obvious Sheth would not lynch. People like you are unwilling to believe he's scum now just because he's a new player and you legitimately think he could be that bad to do that as town. It makes no sense from a GOOD mafia perspective, but it certainly does from a bad one. It makes no sense at all from any kind of town perspective because it just serves to shit on town objectives. btw I take it schworz is confirmed townie for now. Noone lynch or shoot him. wow it's really easy to become confirmed town these days. 1. Every scum accuse strongly each other. 2. One scum dies. 3. ???? 4. Profit. it's wbg + Schworz man. No way he would have pushed his own teammate so hard to get towncred, especially given under how much fire he was. Maybe he wanted to bus him but than again, why should he keep doing that after I gave him a reason to stop it? Also, mafia tripplestacked Clayface (wtf?) if noone else claims a hit. I told people to medic him and I'm just going to assume people are at least from time to time listening what I'm saying, especially when I'm a confirmed blue role so I'd say he got more hits than protections. Also I shot opz, which only leaves clayface and wbg and I hardly doubt they shot wbg themselves. Of course again, only if there's no other hit claimed but it hardly matters. It's probably improving our situation. Everyone knows I am confirmed Joker. Batman knows my immortality never was a fake to begin with, he also knows I am now mortal. Mafia still has to kill me and they will. Batman sure as hell won't waste a hit on me, he can simply let mafia deal with me now that I'm mortal again and search for Hugo. Mafia hits are np to some degree because medics can save me after all. EZPZ. I'm still up for lynching people like hiro or chaoser. So far my night action record tells me to just lynch the guy who ended up being 2nd mosts legit target for my nighthit and not the guy I actually shot. Sounds like a plan to me. You're not the joker, you're scum. You roleblocked me last night because I said I was going to shoot you. Why would I ever be roleblocked if you weren't scum? It was pretty clear I was going to shoot you.
oh hai there batman, how are things?
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On February 12 2012 21:35 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 21:27 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 12 2012 21:17 Toadesstern wrote:
it's wbg + Schworz man. No way he would have pushed his own teammate so hard to get towncred, especially given under how much fire he was. Maybe he wanted to bus him but than again, why should he keep doing that after I gave him a reason to stop it? WIFOM. I just don't see this as a big enough town tell to justify all of falseclaims...sorry. My vote will stay there. On February 12 2012 21:17 Toadesstern wrote:
Also, mafia tripplestacked Clayface (wtf?) if noone else claims a hit. I told people to medic him and I'm just going to assume people are at least from time to time listening what I'm saying, especially when I'm a confirmed blue role so I'd say he got more hits than protections. Also I shot opz, which only leaves clayface and wbg and I hardly doubt they shot wbg themselves. Of course again, only if there's no other hit claimed but it hardly matters. You don't know if / how he was protected. If mafia tripplestacked there could be number from 0-2 protecting him. You also forget the possibility of scum shooting third. On February 12 2012 21:17 Toadesstern wrote:
It's probably improving our situation. Everyone knows I am confirmed Joker. Batman knows my immortality never was a fake to begin with, he also knows I am now mortal. Mafia still has to kill me and they will. Batman sure as hell won't waste a hit on me, he can simply let mafia deal with me now that I'm mortal again and search for Hugo. Mafia hits are np to some degree because medics can save me after all. EZPZ. I'm still up for lynching people like hiro or chaoser.
Chaoser was "checked" by our beloved falseclaimer. Since he didn't say otherwise, I'd say it came back blue / green. Hiro is still a good choice (since no one questions rG). the fuck? I missed the post where he said he checked chaoser. Of course falseclaim is bullshit as town, it is bullshit as no matter what. I just think if he'd mafia people would have told him not to do that. But that check on chaoser is something new. Why did he check chaoser out of all people? The only reason I believe him to be town was because I thought he checked either me or docH, found Joker and didn't believe his check, therefore jumped to the conclusion that the guy has to be godfather / third party. Which is obviously bad play. But check chaoser? If he is SO CERTAIN that clayface is red so that he makes up a fakeclaim to "prove" he's red, why did he check chaoser instead? It's not like he found something weird in chaoser and instantly goes "OMFG I found X in chaoser, therefore Toad has to be mafia which leads to the conclusion that DocH is mafia as well! I'ma goinf to make up a fake check". That makes no sense at all. I am seriously considering him again. But than again... wbg attacked him, he got coaching from good players if he ends up being red and I doubt BC would give a third party role to someone like him (no hard feeling^^).
He is no third party, third party doesn't claim DT.
I love how the only defense this guy has is that he was accused by a scum (who accused like a 10 people throughout the game, the chances they are all town are pretty thin) and that his play would be better if he got coaches.
His first DT check makes perfect sense as scum. This play might actually be coached.
If he checked you, why didn't he confirm you as the joker? It makes zero sense.
rG if you are DT, who did you check night one? Please?
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you are kidding right?
If you are REALLY town and I doubt it, this is the worst play I have ever seen.
Claiming DT, Falseclaiming Check (to save Sheth), retracting check after something pops up which makes your claim unlikely. Then Claiming another check, but refusing to say so (maybe hoping for chaoser to get lynched, so you can claim "I knew that" . Wow. That's quite an idea.
so you are a dt, I assume you checked somebody night 1, too? I am not talking about your n2 check.
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@kurumi: no one claimed, and I believe they only get notified when the save was successful.
@rG: You made no case at all. Your claim that I am being scum is based on nothing than I am accusing you (and me being bluefishing for a role I already knew). I believe, you'd find yourself scummy, if you looked at your filter, bro.
Please, make a case against me, I want to see some illreasoning 
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