If you die tonight and flip joker and it shows that your shots work the way you said they do, then I'll buy the whole thing.
If you don't die then I'm going to be skeptical. There are many reasons that I can think of for you surviving though. Either Batman decided not to kill you (stupid play). Or you can't be killed by Batman (aka you're Talia al Ghul). Either way, if you don't die then I will be very suspicious.
So you see, your argument against me that I'm scum makes no sense since I could only ever push for your and Rad's lynch on the next day if you survive, something that I'm not even able to control if I'm mafia since Batman's kill is unblockable.
If you die I have no reason to push at all. If I was mafia I'd rather you not die since then I can't push you. So what kind of stupid mafia plans ahead to try to set up a lynch on someone that isn't even controlled by the mafia but rather by a third party lol.
On February 11 2012 02:00 Toadesstern wrote: Jackal shot DocH. DocH is the only one within the circle of people who are either dead or claimed a hit and at the same time are on the gay-phone-session. Jackal can only shoot people on his gay-phone-session. He called me a liar and maybe found out what was meant to be for docH. Anyways I'm pretty sury Jackal shot DocH.
Radfield was also in the phonebooth and claimed he got shot.
On February 11 2012 02:23 RayzorFlash wrote: I think the whole Schworz drama will likely clear itself out tonight, or at least give us more concrete information instead of like, 7 people throwing out either what they think, or random claims that don't make sense...
I was working on an analysis of Chaoser, and his actions on Day 1 don't seem that scummy to me, but the hard Day 2 push to set up a lynch after Sheth is lynched seems reallyyyyy scummy... I don't have a solid opinion on that yet, and I still think we lynch Sheth today to verify Radfield.
Oh and, I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but Palmar can't POSSIBLY be as crazy as he's posting with randomly not remembering stuff he did the previous day. Methinks he has some sort of role text restriction that gives him split personality disorder / lunacy... The characters that might work well with such a restriction (disregarding other peoples claims, and actual logic) are: Joker, Harley Quinn, Scarecrow (different night personality than day maybe?), Two-face, Calendar Man, and Clayface... None of the mafia power-roles seem to logically work with this restriction, so I'm inclined to lean very slightly towards Palmar being town (or i'm totally off-base with my logic... lol)
If you die tonight and flip joker and it shows that your shots work the way you said they do, then I'll buy the whole thing.
If you don't die then I'm going to be skeptical. There are many reasons that I can think of for you surviving though. Either Batman decided not to kill you (stupid play). Or you can't be killed by Batman (aka you're Talia al Ghul). Either way, if you don't die then I will be very suspicious.
So you see, your argument against me that I'm scum makes no sense since I could only ever push for your and Rad's lynch on the next day if you survive, something that I'm not even able to control if I'm mafia since Batman's kill is unblockable.
If you die I have no reason to push at all. If I was mafia I'd rather you not die since then I can't push you. So what kind of stupid mafia plans ahead to try to set up a lynch on someone that isn't even controlled by the mafia but rather by a third party lol.
The setup only works if palmar doesn't die. And that isn't controlled by mafia, it's controlled by batman. So it would make no sense if I was mafia to try to set up a lynch off something that I wouldn't even be in control of.
But if Palmar is town, which he certainly seems now, Radfield is black, or the scum DT, Ra s.
If palmar is town then Radfield is black. That's it. Palmar said his shot is unblockable by mafia. Therefore if palmar is town then radfield can't be red since palmar shot at him and he did not die.
Therefore, if Radfield is red, then palmar can't be town
But if Palmar is town, which he certainly seems now, Radfield is black, or the scum DT, Ra s.
If palmar is town then Radfield is black. That's it. Palmar said his shot is unblockable by mafia. Therefore if palmar is town then radfield can't be red since palmar shot at him and he did not die.
Therefore, if Radfield is red, then palmar can't be town
This is correct.
In addition, since the simplest explanation is that Radfield is black, you're both red and an idiot.
lol. So you're going to double down on the "Chaoser is trying to set up a lynch that he has no control over setting up?" logic? Cause only batman has control over that setup up lol.
Also, here's a Femshep trailer that came out today cause she's boss
On February 11 2012 02:33 chaoser wrote: The setup only works if palmar doesn't die. And that isn't controlled by mafia, it's controlled by batman. So it would make no sense if I was mafia to try to set up a lynch off something that I wouldn't even be in control of.
This is true... But Batman might not even go after Joker if its confirmed though, he might start working on finding out who Hugo is, leaving Joker to be killed by Mafia or lynched by town. He doesn't need to kill Joker right now if he already knows who he is and can kill him at any time... Thus, the lynch wouldn't be controlled by Batman either... There is definitely a possibility that Palmar remains alive after tonight...
What? That is the definition of controlled by Batman. If he doesn't kill Palmar THEN I would be able to push for a lynch on Palmar. If he DOES kill palmar then I can't. Since I have no idea what batman would do, I can't setup a chain-lynch, it depends on Batman.
See how ridiculous it is to say that I'm mafia because I'm posting to set up a lynch on palmar and Radfield?
Especially when I don't even control the setup? Batman might not go kill the joker. Or he might. Why the fuck would I, if I was mafia, try to set up a lynch that depends 100% on what a third party does? How does that make logical sense?
On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote: ##Unvote Liquid'Sheth ##Vote chaoser
I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are
Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf...
what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list. How is that a ninja vote.
I looked through your filter and the first time you mention me at all is:
On February 10 2012 19:51 wherebugsgo wrote: I think my only hope is that chaoser and kitaman are town this game.
Otherwise I think this is a town loss.
pretty sure if that's how it is we already auto-lossed Don't know about kita yet but I'd say chaoser is mafia tbh.
7 Hours ago. Definitely not since day 1. And you never give any justification for it. You've been pretty vocal with your other mafia reads since day 1 though. This is definitely a ninja vote.
On February 11 2012 03:13 Palmar wrote: the entire premise for changing from sheth to chaoser is sheth is not scum.
I think we're looking at something more along the lines of Chaoser, Kitaman27, Hiro Protagonist, Forumite, VisceraEyes and maybe jayjay? or katina?
i know. That's the reason I said there's errors in there but I don't really want to think of sheth as a townie either. However if sheth were to flip mafia today I'd still want to lynch Chaoser. Not sure about the opposite.
On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote: ##Unvote Liquid'Sheth ##Vote chaoser
I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are
Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf...
what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list. How is that a ninja vote.
I looked through your filter and the first time you mention me at all is:
On February 10 2012 19:58 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 10 2012 19:51 wherebugsgo wrote: I think my only hope is that chaoser and kitaman are town this game.
Otherwise I think this is a town loss.
pretty sure if that's how it is we already auto-lossed Don't know about kita yet but I'd say chaoser is mafia tbh.
7 Hours ago. Definitely not since day 1. And you never give any justification for it. You've been pretty vocal with your other mafia reads since day 1 though. This is definitely a ninja vote.
I'm only vocal about the ones I want to get lynched right now. I figured it's not a bad idea to give my orange and red reads out and ask people about them now because I'm still immortal and hey, it gives something to discuss. Or since I am not making sense to people they can at least look at my list and tell if they look me from what I put on that list. Also I'm checking my filter right now, give me a second.
Except you didn't "give your orange and red reads". You didn't "ask people about them". You weren't "vocal". You ninja-voted me and then said I was on your
On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote: ##Unvote Liquid'Sheth ##Vote chaoser
I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are
Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf...
what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list. How is that a ninja vote.
You said that. And yet don't mention me till only a few hours ago. You give no justification and you're misrepresenting what you did.
On February 11 2012 01:23 Toadesstern wrote: that's not exactly helping Schworz. I am a townie and I am not trying to find something out I am not supposed to know. But Palmar tells me to shut up so I'll shut up for now. I'm up for lynching chaoser as well, he's the only one that made it to my "KILL IT WITH FIRE"-list while all 7 other people I think might end up flipping mafia are only on my "probably mafia"-list.
How is it a ninja vote? If you are talking about the fact that I didn't mention Chaoser earlier fine, can't do a thing about it and I surly won't just post a list of all names from now on on day-1's to make sure I am allowed to vote someone. But I'm pretty sure I mentioned you earlier as well. At least I said something along the lines that I don't like or. Not sure though. I'm not going to go trough my massive filter just because of that ;p
LOLOL. Well I DID go through your filter and you never once mentioned my name previously. In fact, someone asked you your opinion about me before my first post and you ignored talking about me completely. When I asked you questions during the night time about your claim you answered with no hint of suspicion against me and you never once posted anything resembling a scum read on me until 7 hours ago in response to WBG saying he thinks I'm townie. Then you voted for me without saying shit in this thread? lol ok.
On February 11 2012 03:24 Toadesstern wrote: my post from earlier when I was talking with schworz:
On February 11 2012 01:23 Toadesstern wrote: that's not exactly helping Schworz. I am a townie and I am not trying to find something out I am not supposed to know. But Palmar tells me to shut up so I'll shut up for now. I'm up for lynching chaoser as well, he's the only one that made it to my "KILL IT WITH FIRE"-list while all 7 other people I think might end up flipping mafia are only on my "probably mafia"-list.
How is it a ninja vote? If you are talking about the fact that I didn't mention Chaoser earlier fine, can't do a thing about it and I surly won't just post a list of all names from now on on day-1's to make sure I am allowed to vote someone. But I'm pretty sure I mentioned you earlier as well. At least I said something along the lines that I don't like or. Not sure though. I'm not going to go trough my massive filter just because of that ;p
So you're basically saying you can't be criticized for any of your votes even if you've never mentioned them before because you have them all "on a super secret list" and so they're justified?
On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote: ##Unvote Liquid'Sheth ##Vote chaoser
I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are
Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf...
what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list. How is that a ninja vote.
You said that. And yet don't mention me till only a few hours ago. You give no justification and you're misrepresenting what you did.
I told you I don't talk about all my red reads vocally. I only talked about those I thought might be viable d1. That was CC / laya for me. I did not mention you d1 because I saw no need to do so. Doesn't stop me from putting you on my super secret list anyways.
You talked about layabout and C_C A LOT.
On February 07 2012 19:27 Toadesstern wrote: not sure yet. Probably someone out of CC / layabout. If neither of those 2 is going to be an option I'd be happy to lynch BM / Kenpachi / Palmar instead.
On February 07 2012 22:29 Toadesstern wrote: I'd like to hear why you think layabout is town Palmar. Not sure if you're going to reply but I might as well just try and post a bit:
On February 07 2012 02:32 layabout wrote: please be civil children
On February 07 2012 01:45 layabout wrote: Kita, how can batman claim his hits without claiming and being modkilled?
+ there has been a lot of discussion about very little, please cut it out.
On February 07 2012 02:56 layabout wrote: lets all vote for no good reason!
or he defends Kenpachi. Sure Kenpachi does this shit everytime and it's nothing special at all but mafia could easily do that as well looking pro town + I don't mind Kenpachi being lynched / shot at all. It's not like we're going to get a better read on him in the next couple of days.
On February 07 2012 05:52 Jayjay54 wrote: Is he normally vocal?
He normally posts about a page day1, it is not unusual for him to post very little. he is typically aggressive. he has only ever been town he absolutely hates it when you try to "meta" him.
sure looks nice but again. Saying people look townie is the easiest thing to do as mafia. The only thing that looks townish is the bare effort of linking those 6 games but well, you know me, I'm not going to read something into that :p
Next one is a response to VE that's a null and his last post is a CC-Vote.
The only things that make him look townie is that fact that VE "found" him and him voting CC. Other than that I see nothing within his posts that could make you think he's townie. Want to explain why you think he's a townie?
On February 07 2012 23:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Missed one because I CTRL+F 'radfield" and not 'rad'
you also mentioned you didn't like his picks on his list but never actually called him out beyond that. still, it's nothing.
that's because I'm not sure if he did that on purpose and I do not know what to make of it. He might be pulling a wbg on me and everyone else.
On February 07 2012 23:02 Jackal58 wrote:
On February 07 2012 22:41 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 07 2012 22:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He wasn't defending risk.nuke he was just posting his meta when someone asks. It's not up to him to prove he's town anyway, why don't you post out how he's so terribly scummy? He's scummy for saying nothing? You've said nothing and not only that you've flat out refused to explain your reasoning when asked directly. Apply that logic you're using against layabout to many other players and you'd reach the same conclusion.
yeah but I'd much rather not lynch Radfield d1. And no if I apply the same logic to other people and barly come to the same conclusion. I'm not done reading everyone's filter so I can't say that for people after #17 inr our list because I haven't reread their filters yet and everything I got on them is a gut feeling.
Why not? If you feel Radfield is scummy why wouldn't you want to lynch him? I see this sentiment posted in almost every game on here now. I don't want to lynch player X on day one. Fair amount of the time that sentiment has been put forth by people that flipped scum. If somebody looks scummy I'm going to push for their lynch. I don't care who it is. Remember No guts. No gory.
I don't like lynching vets d1. Said the same in L. Remember I was the guy telling everyone to not lynch Palmar? I ended up being a townie (a vet) as well. So it really is my opionion. And with rads most recent post I'd even say he's leaning town for me right now. He just posted so little that it's hard to judge.
I'm reading that game. It's a shame no one listened to you when you were right, but this isn't a 60 person game, you're gonna get heard. Don't use excuses to stay quiet any longer.
And what's the point of even saying anything? You never really accused Radfield of anything so why suck up and praise his towniness unless you're just trying to get town cred yourself
I did a little explanation on layabout. Palmar disagrees. I disagree with palmar because I don't think he'd be scared as a townie but I explained a little. It's still day1. You'll read big fancy cases from me d2 and ongoing. Everything I got so far are gut feelings. Given what happened the last few games and how I played those games I'm trusting those gut feelings now, but that doesn't mean that I can explain them on d1 because there's so little going on and so little to analyze. The 2nd group of lynches I told you are only my backup-lynches. That's palmar / BM / Kenpachi / hiro. Palmar is clear for me right now as he thinks the same way about other people but that might change d2 or later. I'm not sure those people will flip red at all. I'd say they're a coinflip and I'd much rather lynch them than a rnd-lurker d1 if we end up not having legit other lynch target because 50/50 is still better than a true-rnd lynch into a lurker.
It's still day1. You'll read big fancy cases from me d2 and ongoing. Everything I got so far are gut feelings. Given what happened the last few games and how I played those games I'm trusting those gut feelings now, but that doesn't mean that I can explain them on d1 because there's so little going on and so little to analyze.
So while you were able to make big posts about people on D1 when there was "so little to analyze", you're unable to write anything big on me even though you promised "big fancy cases" on D2?
Why don't you agree that Chaoser supporting you in a strange way (check out his filter) is painting him red, if you flip scum?
On February 11 2012 18:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Chaoser is the one who went hard trying to prove it's "impossible" for rG to be scum right
Where the fuck do I try to prove that it's impossible for rG to be scum? I think he's scummy as fuck. I voted for him day one, the only reason I got off was cause he claimed blue. Yesterday I posted about how if Sheth flipped miller we need a long hard look at Palmar/Radfield/rG because I think if Sheth flipped miller that there was a good chance all three are scum. Are you guys shitting me....
Also, it's pretty clear from my perspective that Palmar is batman. He's trolling too hard to be town and he's not mafia given his hard Sheth push Day 1. Look at his play in this game and his play as Gollum in LOTR, especially on the last day just before he was going to get the Ring. Troll heavy in both of them.
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