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Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 08 2012 20:21 GMT
#1124
On February 09 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote:
we're masoned (ie: we know each other's alignment, confirmed by host).


All right, so there is no way for somebody to be masoned and still not know about eachothers alignment? And this is an actual question because I don't know.

Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 08:47 GMT
#1313
On February 09 2012 16:24 Adam4167 wrote:
If he was an insane DT, I think that might have come up by now.

So we're left with him being an 'alignment cop' with a correct read on you, or hes just lying and trying to drag you down as he dies.


There is a third choice and that is that DrH is an Insane inmate.
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 08:49 GMT
#1316
Well, then it is easy, then one of you are lieing, okidoki. Carry on then.
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 08:51 GMT
#1317
DrH, what role did you claim? And where?
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 08:53 GMT
#1319
On February 09 2012 17:49 Tunkeg wrote:
Well, then it is easy, then one of you are lieing, okidoki. Carry on then.


Or maybe it is possible to be blue and an insane inmate?
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 08:57 GMT
#1323
On February 09 2012 17:53 Toadesstern wrote:
he claimed nothing and won't claim. now. stop fishing.


He said he was blue, thats a claim. Halfass claims sucks.

You also say:

On February 09 2012 17:53 Toadesstern wrote:
btw here's what DocH posted earlier when I claimed Two-Face:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 19:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Ok, good. I'm not sure you should have claimed this early though. You could have drawn mafia bullets into you if you were immortal by claiming a different role or not admitting that you are invincible and now you might get RB'd all game and just be useless. What are you going for, town cred?

I do believe you though, your power seems plausible from what I know. It seems like everybody has a second aspect to their role that is hidden.

He KNOWS, that some powers have a second aspect to it, therefore he believes my claim. I still think he just understood what I was doing from the very beginning because I lied as little as possible and got a shitload of breadcrumbs in my fakeclaim to make sure the guy who knows my role is knowing what I'm doing. Apparently that guy is DocH.



Well, scum might have gotten a couple or all roles description, so him knowing might as well mean he is scum. Or it could mean absolutely nothing, just a lucky guess from him.
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 08:59 GMT
#1324
On February 09 2012 17:54 Toadesstern wrote:
stop giving Schworz excuses. I want him to get his ass in this thread and explain what the fuck is going on and why he is lying to us.


I am not giving anyone any excuses. Best case scenario one is lying and one of them is either scum or third party and will be offed. Worst case scenario both are telling the truth causing us to do two misslynch.

Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 09:14 GMT
#1332
On February 09 2012 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Revealing the category of my power role would put me and the town at a disadvantage so I won't do it. Like I said, if it's necessary to avoid getting lynched then that's fine. Otherwise it's best for medics to protect me, which will keep both myself and Toades alive indefinitely.

I was going to make my case on both you and Radfield today, but I'd like to wait for rG to explain himself a little. If he doesn't claim insanity then either he is scum or BC is a bastard mod. I'm willing to take my chances on the former. It's a crazy situation but that doesn't matter, an outright lie like that is about the scummiest thing you can do. Considering the mafias hit on me failed they might just want me lynched.


Feel free to write a case on me. I am not getting lynched today, thats 100 % certain. Hiro have also promised a case on me.

Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 09:17 GMT
#1333
On February 09 2012 18:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 17:59 Tunkeg wrote:
On February 09 2012 17:54 Toadesstern wrote:
stop giving Schworz excuses. I want him to get his ass in this thread and explain what the fuck is going on and why he is lying to us.


I am not giving anyone any excuses. Best case scenario one is lying and one of them is either scum or third party and will be offed. Worst case scenario both are telling the truth causing us to do two misslynch.


Please explain to me how that would work? It's impossible that both me and rG are telling the truth unless he is insane.

I ask BC "Is there any possibility that our role PMs are not completely true? Can somebody get a result other than "ROLE" by DT checking me?" and he says No. I ask BC "Are there roles roles that have a mechanic that is not known to the player possessing that role?" and he says that is not the case. Meaning if rGTheSchworz has any chances of getting an unreliable check, he would know about it.

So all that's left to figure out is if rG is insane or BC is withholding some other information from me. If he is sane then one of us is a liar.


Insane inmates
You are a insane beyond belief. As such you killed a tyger security guard and decided to wear his clothes. Basically, any Detective checks on you will mark you as a Tyger Security Guard . As you are now donned in the security guards uniform, you subject other inmates to the same punishments the guards gave to you. You win with the inmates even though you hate them. You also don't realize just how insane you are and as such think you are a regular inmate.


That is why. Is there anything that says that you can't be Blue (as you claim) and insane inmate at the same time?
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 09:25 GMT
#1338
On February 09 2012 18:22 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 18:14 Tunkeg wrote:

Feel free to write a case on me. I am not getting lynched today, thats 100 % certain. Hiro have also promised a case on me.



What makes you 100% certain of this?


Many reasons. I will not explain.
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 09:28 GMT
#1339
On February 09 2012 18:24 Toadesstern wrote:
vote Schworz, force him to explain the shit he is doing. There is no other possibility than one of those 2 lying. Not a single one.

Also remember that EVERYONE was telling Schworz his move yesterday was retarded. I was trying to catch some bullets and maybe make catwoman DT me instead.
There was not a single reason why he should have claimed as Two-face. Just imagine you're a blue role that's only once in this game and about 8 players in this game (mafia + Catwoman) need to kill you outright.
You think the real Two-face would step in and Counterclaim? Hell no he'd be sitting in his chair, laughing being happy and shutting the fuck up. So what he did was retarded if he really is Two-Face.

What if it was not retarded? What if he is Catwoman and was calling bullshit on the duel-claim Palmar did? What if he was trying to get the liar to figure out which of actually is Two-Face and didn't think both of us are lying?
Remember that everyone told him that his first claim (DT) was bullshit as well because now Catwoman would simply shoot him in the dark? Yes it wasn't the brightest move either. However, as Catwoman it makes perfect sense because he's not afraid to be shot by Catwoman if he's that role himself.

Unless Schworz stepps in this thread and gives the best explanation ever this guy has to die right now.


I find it very amusing that you of all want rgTS to come in and explain himself, knowing that was him that pushed you off your Two-Face claim. You are as of now the only confirmed liar in this thread, maybe we should just lynch you.
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 09:31 GMT
#1343
On February 09 2012 18:28 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 18:24 Toadesstern wrote:
vote Schworz, force him to explain the shit he is doing. There is no other possibility than one of those 2 lying. Not a single one.

Also remember that EVERYONE was telling Schworz his move yesterday was retarded. I was trying to catch some bullets and maybe make catwoman DT me instead.
There was not a single reason why he should have claimed as Two-face. Just imagine you're a blue role that's only once in this game and about 8 players in this game (mafia + Catwoman) need to kill you outright.
You think the real Two-face would step in and Counterclaim? Hell no he'd be sitting in his chair, laughing being happy and shutting the fuck up. So what he did was retarded if he really is Two-Face.

What if it was not retarded? What if he is Catwoman and was calling bullshit on the duel-claim Palmar did? What if he was trying to get the liar to figure out which of actually is Two-Face and didn't think both of us are lying?
Remember that everyone told him that his first claim (DT) was bullshit as well because now Catwoman would simply shoot him in the dark? Yes it wasn't the brightest move either. However, as Catwoman it makes perfect sense because he's not afraid to be shot by Catwoman if he's that role himself.

Unless Schworz stepps in this thread and gives the best explanation ever this guy has to die right now.


I find it very amusing that you of all want rgTS to come in and explain himself, knowing that was him that pushed you off your Two-Face claim. You are as of now the only confirmed liar in this thread, maybe we should just lynch you.


This being said, I also want to hear more from him. If it is true as DrH says, that you can't be blue and insane inmate at the same time, and rgTS isn't insane cop then at least one of them certantly aren't town.
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 09:33 GMT
#1345
On February 09 2012 18:30 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 18:28 Tunkeg wrote:
On February 09 2012 18:24 Toadesstern wrote:
vote Schworz, force him to explain the shit he is doing. There is no other possibility than one of those 2 lying. Not a single one.

Also remember that EVERYONE was telling Schworz his move yesterday was retarded. I was trying to catch some bullets and maybe make catwoman DT me instead.
There was not a single reason why he should have claimed as Two-face. Just imagine you're a blue role that's only once in this game and about 8 players in this game (mafia + Catwoman) need to kill you outright.
You think the real Two-face would step in and Counterclaim? Hell no he'd be sitting in his chair, laughing being happy and shutting the fuck up. So what he did was retarded if he really is Two-Face.

What if it was not retarded? What if he is Catwoman and was calling bullshit on the duel-claim Palmar did? What if he was trying to get the liar to figure out which of actually is Two-Face and didn't think both of us are lying?
Remember that everyone told him that his first claim (DT) was bullshit as well because now Catwoman would simply shoot him in the dark? Yes it wasn't the brightest move either. However, as Catwoman it makes perfect sense because he's not afraid to be shot by Catwoman if he's that role himself.

Unless Schworz stepps in this thread and gives the best explanation ever this guy has to die right now.


I find it very amusing that you of all want rgTS to come in and explain himself, knowing that was him that pushed you off your Two-Face claim. You are as of now the only confirmed liar in this thread, maybe we should just lynch you.

nah Palmar is a liar as well and I don't know what he's up to. And I barly lied. Pretty much everything I said was true.


Yeah, you are right, Palmar to. His lie is in fact even more concerning. But your play have been equally confusing as his. A lie is a lie even if it is barely a lie though.
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 09:39 GMT
#1355
On February 09 2012 18:08 Adam4167 wrote:
I also spotted another Blueslip out of DrH earlier:

Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 16:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He's not really in danger though so even if he was scum I don't see why he'd lie. There is a rule against saying the hidden part of your role directly until after it is resolved so he might not be allowed to tell anything beyond "I'm a DT".

BC says it's fine to make up fake powers though.


Unless he heard it in the phone-booth of manloving.


I am far more suspicious of rGtheSchworz at this point, as every description in the OP that includes a DT or being DT'd seems to heavily indicate that it will be a role-reveal, not alignment reveal.

Answers will come in 6 hours, otherwise, start taking his neck measurements.


If scum got a few of these roledescription of the blues he would know to. Hell, scum themself probably got some hidden part of their role, and he could have picked it up there. So it could be a blueslip, a scumslip, a third party slip or a vanilla townie invited to the QT slip.
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 09:42 GMT
#1358
On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit?

what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red?
Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role?


Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed...
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 09:44 GMT
#1361
On February 09 2012 18:42 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 18:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit?

Did you not claim to be Two-Face and lie about being masoned with Toadesstern?


I do not recall anything like that.



WTH is this! I can't wait to see your roledescription in this game. It have to be a juicy one, or you are just trolling us harder then Dovregubben himself!
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 09:53 GMT
#1373
On February 09 2012 18:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 18:42 Tunkeg wrote:
On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit?

what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red?
Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role?


Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed...

Because the language I used in my posts refers to Toadessterns role PM specifically. I checked with BC a great deal to make sure that we would have enough similarities in our PM for me to be able to confirm myself to him as well.


Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 18:42 Palmar wrote:
On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit?

what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red?
Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role?


Why do you think DrH is blue?


See the above. Toades also pointed out the specific post in which I was able to confirm my named role to him. I know who Toadesstern is and vice-versa. I will reveal my named role only if it is necessary to save myself but I will not elaborate on who toadesstern is or what my hidden power is.

@Palmer


Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote:
we're masoned (ie: we know each other's alignment, confirmed by host).



Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 09:21 Palmar wrote:
I'm bored, but I need to sleep.

I changed my two face kill back to risk.nuke, he needs to die hardcore.



Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 06:11 Palmar wrote:
Remember, we get to invite two people to our mason circle tomorrow.


etc


I somehow think you are claiming to much interactions with BC. Why the hell would BC confirm stuff like this? It would just defeat the purpose of having a semi-open set up.
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 10:04 GMT
#1386
On February 09 2012 19:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If there is still serious doubt later in the day cycle I will claim my name. It is a minor disadvantage to town because it gives the mafia some information I'd rather they not have but if this continues to be a major distraction then it's for the best.

The language I used was specific enough I think that I couldn't have picked it up off of Toades' own breadcrumbs. I thought you made up the immortality power actually as well as the Two-Face claim, it was the fact that you were still claiming to be immortal that made me realize who you were.


So this is not some unclever scumplan having you and Toad shitting all over this thread trying to confusing us with stuff the we have no chance in verifying and little reason to belive in?
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 10:09 GMT
#1392
On February 09 2012 18:45 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 18:39 Tunkeg wrote:
On February 09 2012 18:08 Adam4167 wrote:
I also spotted another Blueslip out of DrH earlier:

On February 09 2012 16:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He's not really in danger though so even if he was scum I don't see why he'd lie. There is a rule against saying the hidden part of your role directly until after it is resolved so he might not be allowed to tell anything beyond "I'm a DT".

BC says it's fine to make up fake powers though.


Unless he heard it in the phone-booth of manloving.


I am far more suspicious of rGtheSchworz at this point, as every description in the OP that includes a DT or being DT'd seems to heavily indicate that it will be a role-reveal, not alignment reveal.

Answers will come in 6 hours, otherwise, start taking his neck measurements.


If scum got a few of these roledescription of the blues he would know to. Hell, scum themself probably got some hidden part of their role, and he could have picked it up there. So it could be a blueslip, a scumslip, a third party slip or a vanilla townie invited to the QT slip.


wtf LOGIC?

gtfo noob you're not supposed to use logic in here


I have been using logic from day 1, the Joker Claim. Thanks for noticing, I now have a crush on you <3<3<3<3<3

My trolling have not been up to par, I will admit this, and I apologize for it with this:

+ Show Spoiler +





Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 09 2012 11:30 GMT
#1433
On February 09 2012 20:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 20:25 Forumite wrote:
On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 09 2012 20:15 Forumite wrote:
On February 09 2012 20:01 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 09 2012 19:59 Tyrran wrote:
On February 09 2012 19:49 Forumite wrote:
On February 09 2012 18:36 Toadesstern wrote:
My play was ingenious and Schworz ruined it for no good reason. I also think if he really is Two-Face he would have known what I'm up to.

No, you ruined things for Schworz. If you were trying to defend Two-Face, then you wouldn´t have taken back your claim when Schworz claimed. You made him a bigger target, when what you should have done is still claim Two-Face, then explain in the morning. Taking back your claim suggests that either you are the true Two-Face, or you don´t care about Schworz being nightkilled. I´m leaning towards the second one.

On February 09 2012 18:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 09 2012 18:42 Tunkeg wrote:
[quote]

Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed...

Because the language I used in my posts refers to Toadessterns role PM specifically. I checked with BC a great deal to make sure that we would have enough similarities in our PM for me to be able to confirm myself to him as well.

Bullshit, breadcrumbing parts of your rolePM is a modkill offence, lying about breadcrumbing is not however. I don´t believe BC gave you two a free pass until I see it in the thread.

On February 09 2012 16:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alright, BC also says that no mechanics of a persons own role will be hidden from them. Meaning if you are an insane DT you would know it. Is there any chances that your checks are not completely reliable rG?

BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC pleas
So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane.

Or the two of you and Toades are lying. Except for his read coming up as Quilty, rather than a role, is the only thing that looks weird about Schworz, otherwise he acts exactly like I would expect a Town Newbie seeing someone else fakeclaim his role would do.On the other hand you and Toades are giving off several scumsigns, drawing out a blue and then trying to get him killed. If either side is scum, then I´m leaning towards DocH and Toades.

##vote DoctorHelvetica


Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ?

Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz.


see that's how you confirm yourself as a townie to me. Forumite 'sup?

OMGUS much?

You still haven´t explained why you didn´t just keep claiming Two-Face yesterday. If you believed Schworz was Two-Face then you´d keep claiming.

I kept claiming. Palmar retracted his claim and everything was going down so I stopped it and he even explained to everyone that I'm a vet who's trying to catch bullets to protect Two-Face. There was no way to stick with it at that point in time.

EBWOP

So? If you wanted to catch bullets, then say Palmar was lying, say he was just trying to protect you with the talk about mason, and keep claiming Two-Face.

he fucked up. he can't actually go back and redo everything to make the best possible move so what exactly do you want?


He want to hang him for it, and you to. I agree...
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