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On February 06 2012 21:54 Palmar wrote: I had nothing to do with killing Soap, stop lying. V7 being dumb is not my fault. That's not what I'm asking. I just want to know if I should look forward to your analyses or if there's not going to be something. If you're not willing to play the usual palmar style I have to try and figure you out somehow else and you'de be someone like Kenpachi for me. | ||
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If I were badman I'd try to hit mafia first. Simple reasoning: We're going to kill 1 mafia per cycle via lynches. Sure according to the setup there's a shitload of vigs but those people don't know for certain if they're going to hit mafia or town, same for our lynches, so that'd be deaths for both sides. Just for the sake of a number, let's take the 1 I was talking about and ignore everything else. How many people does mafia kill? Well according to their KP 3 per night. They know who's town and who's not therefore they can't miss but they might hit a vet or someone being protected by a medic. Same as above: Just for the sake of numbers let's take the 3 as well. So we're going to take 1 mafia out per day and will lose 3 townies per day. Obviously those numbers are bullshit but the essence of what I'm talking about is that mafia is killing more than we do. So if batman isn't able to kill hugo on d1 there's probably already a bunch of dead townies by the time he finishes off Hugo. So the chances that mafia makes him win while he searches for Hugo are enormous. Sure he has to make sure no side wins by a rockslide but if that's not happening mafia is probably going to shoot joker somewhere in the process anyways. I'd say we use Batman on our behalf and make him help town. I don't have a problem with him killing Hugo and neither should you. Hugo really is the hard part of Batmans job imo. After he killed Hugo we can start talking about giving him Joker to prevent a badman rampage. | ||
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On February 07 2012 01:45 layabout wrote: Kita, how can batman claim his hits without claiming and being modkilled? + there has been a lot of discussion about very little, please cut it out. Batman can simply claim one of his hits, preferable one that ended up being a mafia and say he's a normal vig. There's not going to be someone who can counterclaim unless he claims a name as well but who'd be stupid enough to yell "hey you can't be X, I am X" while X is a specific name and not a role. That would out a blue without helping town and gets the counterclaimer killed. A vig claim gets shot by batman. If it's a DT (which makes sense for a Batman claim as well, probably even more given what Palmar said) is going to be shot by mafia, same with medics but Batman is probably not going to claim medic :p He could even claim VET that got shot night X because he's immortal. I really don't think batman or catwoman will have problems claiming something that is not batman :p | ||
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On February 07 2012 05:50 Jayjay54 wrote: VE: I don’t know if I am allowed to use the word meta after one game. But I feel like he is playing exactly like he did in L. He was town and basically accused everyone who accused him. He did it to me twice, I was nearly losing my mind. So I don’t know if this is a scum tell yet…maybe you are right and he’ll freak day 2. [...] Idk, I got the feeling from his conversation with kita that VE might be townie. However he does this omgus as mafia as well because he knows what people think of him. So he literally does shit on purpose because he knows that he's going to get away with doing omgus shit. However he played 2 normal games the last time I saw him as town, so I guess it looks townie for me. But nothing sure. On February 07 2012 05:51 Palmar wrote: rofl, so many people trolling. layabout's picture is awesome. Lynching VisceraEyes is always a net gain for town. Exactly my thought but I did not want to say something Even the new guys are trolling. Yes I'm looking at you jayjay  Still catching up. Palmars post I quoted is where I'm at right now and just saw it when responding to the one jayjay did. | ||
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I guess that problem will be solved after n1 given how many vigs there are (possibly) to our thread. Still want wbg to post something | ||
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On February 07 2012 07:50 Jayjay54 wrote: wait what? you quote me and start a valid discussion about VE and then go on and say that I am trolling? how so? I read through my filter and didn't find a single troll / troll like post. to the VE thing, he claimed a hit in L, so I was relatively sure that he's green, still he accused everyone like there would be no tomorrow. same here. I am not really feeling like this is a tell. [...] I thought the - smiley tells you what I'm talking about. I was referring to your "and a - smiley for Toad" post. That's not trolling but you know, like a nice poke at me.We just got massive amounts of shit like that. Not that it's bad, it's d1 after all and I did that as well but it's getting too much right now. Wasn't even meant to be an attack because I thought I laughed when you did that post but we should get going and start serious business. | ||
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On February 07 2012 08:06 Jayjay54 wrote: but but but that was my birthday gift. I didn't mean to troll, It was merely a sidenote because we always hung out in mafia L. Ok, back to business then  what did you think of DocH posting Toad? Kind of reminded me of BC/Sandro last game...Now I've birthday in germany \o/ About DocH: Well I have to admit that I haven't read his filter yet. Yeah I read the thread but I don't know by heart what he did. So far I only looked into something like 5 people I could say I'm pretty sure I know what they are. I'm going to read docHs filter right now and will give you another answer. | ||
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I'd much rather see people like CC, maybe layabout or if we got noone else to lynch Palmar / Kenpachi lynched right now. I can't help it (I can't even explain it) but I just don't get the same "stubborn" read on palmar that I had on him last game but that might as well be him getting used to this situation and therefore he might not be as emotional as last few games. Needledickthebugfucker (yeah totally going to use that one Jackal :p ), why are you requesting me to do analyses? I thought you think I'm useless not to begin with the fact that you haven't done shit yourself? | ||
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On February 07 2012 11:05 wherebugsgo wrote: ok I back. quick response time Please tell me how this makes sense: "I see nothing in Dr. H's filter" "except this one thing that he said town shouldn't do but he does anyway and scum would definitely do" "but that's nothing cause we have a lot of it so he's null" da fak So the person you want to lynch at last resort you give reasoning for, but you give 0 reason to lynch CC or layabout, who you would "much rather" see lynched? Once again, da fak? I asked because opinions about people I currently am forming reads about are useful in actually finding scum. Such as, for example, you. You are proving so for to not only be useless, but in a manner that is consistent with a scum who does not have opinions and is struggling to find them under pressure. Why else would you flop around and then basically as me why I'm pressuring you? Your responses so far have been utter bullshit. ##vote Toadesstern gonna read what I missed now, be back soon. catching up again and here's a quick question: Are you seriously this time so that I have to answer this or are you trying to amuse yourself again? Because I find your style quite funny right now and I don't know if it's supposed to be that way. | ||
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I totally ignored your question. | ||
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On February 07 2012 19:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There have been a few cases laid out, put a little more thought into it. Town doesn't win without some serious thought. It's a team effort. You can make statements like this all game as mafia, it's too safe. Let's talk BM. Make a case for his lynch. If you're "happy" to lynch him you must feel pretty good that he's scum right? Seems like you're not really invested in who gets lynched. Uninterested. That's not good. Yeah I've got the bad habbit of stopping to work when I'm told that I'm useless. Hapnned last game too. I did big ass analyses about Sandroba and everyone ignored them telling me I'm doing bullshit. I figured I could give you at least a couple of names instead of explaining this time so that should make people happy and you're able to tell if I'm mafia or not depending on the flips. I for example don't like rad because of his list (VE, Kita, myself). I don't have to talk about myself, Kita looks town to me and VE is leaning town for me but I'm not sure there yet. Easy shit. On the BM matter: BM / Kenpachi / Palmar are the 3 people I'd like to see lynch if we can't one of CC / layabout lynched. I think layabout and especially CC are more likely to flip mafia (or badman / catwoman). | ||
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On February 07 2012 19:44 Toadesstern wrote: Yeah I've got the bad habit of stopping to work when I'm told that I'm useless. Happened last game too. I did big ass analyses about Sandroba and everyone ignored them, telling me I'm doing bullshit. I figured I could give you at least a couple of names instead of explaining this time. That should make people happy and you're able to tell if I'm mafia or not depending on the flips. I for example don't like rad because of his list (VE, Kita, myself). I don't have to talk about myself, Kita looks town to me and VE is leaning town for me but I'm not sure there yet. Easy shit. On the BM matter: BM / Kenpachi / Palmar are the 3 people I'd like to see lynched if we can't get one of CC / layabout lynched. I think layabout and especially CC are more likely to flip mafia (or badman / catwoman). massive errors. EBWOP in quote | ||
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On February 07 2012 20:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If people don't think you're useful, prove them wrong. nice typo :p But yeah, that's not going to work either. I'm not someone within the magic cycle of vets people listen to and therefore my opinion is of no value to those people unless it's strange for some reason. Even if I end up delivering mafia after mafia people will only tell me I'm suspicious because I'm right way too much and because after being told I'm useless I'm robbing it in their faces, which does look kinda scummy. I'm not going to talk to a wall and pretend it's listening. Hey there wbg. Last game you were overeager to get palmar lynched because he was useles and only posting troll bullshit. What's different this game? I agree that it's different this game but shouldn't that make you lynch Palmar even more given that he flipped town last game? | ||
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On February 07 2012 21:13 Palmar wrote: screw it, I'll read the thread. brb. and you guys are telling me I need to tell you why I don't have problems to lynch Palmar / BM / Kenpachi? I can't explain it because there's just not much there but all 3 are bad right now and I'd much rather lynch them than lynching a lurker. CC / laya > Palmar/BM/Kenpachi > Lurker should be the priority of lynches imo | ||
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