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On February 20 2012 07:23 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 07:19 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 20 2012 07:18 hiro protagonist wrote:On February 20 2012 07:13 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 20 2012 07:12 hiro protagonist wrote:Over a century ago, murderer Cyrus Gold sought to escape justice by hiding in the Slaughter Swamp, where he met a fate worse than death. Mysterious forces doomed the now immortal Grundy to and endless cycle of death and rebirth. Robbed of his memories he has adopted the name of a nursery rhyme.
“Solomon Grundy, Born on a Monday, Christened on Tuesday, Married on Wednesday, Took ill on Thursday, Grew worse on Friday, Died on Saturday, Buried on Sunday. This is the end of Solomon Grundy”
You are the bodyguard of penguin and protect him should he be hit from an attack. You are also extremely strong. You have the option of two powers. Bulletproof for a night or revenge killer(you kill the first person who attacks you in a night). Once your power has been expended (you have been hit on any given night after choosing which power to use) you are powerless and can die to a regular hit on any subsequent nights. Much like the rhyme your name comes from, if you survive a full seven days after your first hit, your powers refresh. Could I get confirmation that if option 2 was chosen, then He would only have 1 life? even IF that's the case, how would scum know? They did not know, but that does not me its not a possibility right? if they want to kill a vet and don't know about that, they'd doublestack. If they doublestack, no KP is unaccounted. The ONLY way he tells the truth is that Palmar shot him instead of VE, I find that rather unlikely... OK, second question then: Would the Mafia's Detective be given full role information about someone they investigated?
man, occam's razor?
you say that
a) he was DTed by bugs
b) Not killed immediately
c) when he claimed scum speculated that he had chosen option 2 and therefore
d) only used one shot, knowing that they gonna loose a member by killing him?
Just to make a KP free for JBs story?
Gather around children, hiro tells tales.
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On February 20 2012 07:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Evantrees - 2
Katina
Jaybrundage
Hiro protagonist - 3 (first)
rayzorflash
forumite
-_-quails
jaybrundage - 3
jayjay54
adam4167
evantrees
Not voting
hiro protagonist and rgtheschworz
followed up by this cute stealth vote:
On February 20 2012 07:54 rgTheSchworz wrote:
##vote hiro protagonist
team effort to save scum buddy?
get in here rg, why didn't you vote for JB? or at least evan?
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On February 20 2012 07:59 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Putting what might well be the hammer.
I dont think Pal shot anyone other than VE.
Jaybrundage is bullshitting and hiro is defending him.
Adam-still null.
I seriously think scum are pushing too hard for evantrees lynch, which would lose us the game
Crossing my fingers and
##vote hiro protagonist
why vote for hiro and not JB, if you think he lying?
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On February 20 2012 08:00 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Stealth my ass, JayJay, that was 5 mins ago.
How am I supposed to know that you write a post? Normally you post and then vote...
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On February 20 2012 08:44 jaybrundage wrote:
I dont get. What have i done that was so scummy. I tried to push my best scum reads. I have tried to look for scum.
Do you guys really assume that i would make up a hit for no reason? I dont get it.
well, your posts are OK and you push VE (not that it means anything in this game  ).
But there is no unaccounted KP and no one claims to have shot you. Which means you are making up a shot.
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And another town clutch lynch! nice. I don't know what the deal was there. If he didn't make up this KP, I sincerely believe, I'd pushed for an evantrees-lynch. Thank god, he did make it up..
On February 20 2012 18:41 Adam4167 wrote:
I think lynching hiro tomorrow is our best bet.
I think you should fire into the non-confirmed townies tonight, Forumite.
Adam4167
Jayjay54
Ico/RayzorFlash
Katina
Hmm. If you are so sure, why not kill hiro tonight?
I also don't like that you list RG and evantrees under confirmed townies. Especially evantrees. He claimed, people didn't really buy it, JB steps in (prob knowing that he dies to riddler anyways) and makes a ridiculous CC. Maybe to give evantrees confirmed town status and save him from being shot? It's not that far fetched.
On the other hand we have rg. Although his claim is more believeable IMO, he lied twice this game and we just let him survive because third party "confirmed" him. Not enough for a free pass...
I most certainly would not call any one of them confirmed.
That being said, there's no downside of killing hiro today. The recent posts arguing about JB's claim have convinced me 90%-95% that he's scum. He has been acting scummy all game and I just stepped back from him, because everybody wanted him dead. Then, his defence actions for JB were once more really scummy, just look at his posts in the last 3 pages, they don't make any sense and look like defending his false claimed buddy via grasping straws. I think he should die tonight.
##vote hiro protagonist ##advise forumite to kill hiro protagonist
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On February 20 2012 19:07 Adam4167 wrote:Heres why rG is town: LinkI am sure Hiro is scum, as is the rest of the town. That's why we need to keep him for tomorrow. Its the only thing we can all agree on. I would much rather Forumite use his vig power to rid us of an unknown, then we lynch the sure-thing tomorrow. That said, I fully agree with his most recent assessment and I think hes going to blast the last scum overnight, anyway. From there the survivors can lynch Hiro and ride off into the sunset.
I think it's likely, yes. But your logic is not correct.
He didn't need Kurumi to claim the hit. With all the KPs flying around, it could have easily been a scum KP. We also already know that he made up the medic part.
So he didn't know Kurumi would step in for him, but he didn't need him to. If kurumi hadn't claimed the shot, his claim wouldn't have been impossible...The fact that kurumi DID step in, was convenient for him. Same with the DT claim where Kurumi jumped in as well.
rg is town to me, but he is not confirmed town. Kurumi helped him out for some reason. and I don't know if this reason is town favored.
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On February 20 2012 19:07 Adam4167 wrote:
I am sure Hiro is scum, as is the rest of the town. That's why we need to keep him for tomorrow. Its the only thing we can all agree on. I would much rather Forumite use his vig power to rid us of an unknown, then we lynch the sure-thing tomorrow.
Also, this is just not good. If we can kill a scum today, we should do it. We'd reduce the scum votes by 1. going to 5-1. If forumite misfires, we'll be at 4-2, giving scum way better chances to manipulate the lynch vote. There will be talking and hiro will step up and there is a chance he can talk himself out, considering two scum votes are floating aroung.
So no, we should kill scum today and lynch "the unknown" tomorrow...
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oh and rayzor is still in the riddler game. if he is scum, the hiro kill will straight up win us this game. If he is town, we could end up 3-2 giving scum 2 chances to voteswitch into victory. I'd rather avoid that.
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that's actually a tough question. And depends a lot on the stuff happening tonight.
If rayzor is still alive, I will start by looking into him. Because he'd be the most scummy alive. If not, we have a good chance to already win the game right now.
I disagreed with an evantrees lynch pretty long, but there flips happened, the more he rose. Now the claim. Still not sure what I think about that. Somehow I am suspicious.
katina flies under the radar all game long. Still most of her decisions were town favored. Seems towny. But then again, the scum team was a huge bus company this game...
Another thought I have is that deadpool is still out there. I expect hiro to flip deadpool. If that's not the case, because I don't believe the important vig role went to some random lurker. You might actually be a good candidate for that...Would you consider evantrees an experienced player?
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guess you're right, setup speculation won't get us far...
this is not an easy choice, is it? If I had to bet right now, I think I'd go with rayzor and hiro...
evantrees only plus is the claim / counterclaim thing. it's so hard to decide if that was real or just a move because JB was going to die anyways...
you seem town favored, but I guess I have to question anyone, before I give out towntickets...same for katina (just that she is way less vocal).
forumite do you mind give us all your reads on everyone before you die?
Hmm. I myself will make a more detailled analysis within the next two days...seeing the flips and if rayzor is still alive. Maybe we already won and I can save work.
Because now, it's time for karneval! Alaaf! I'll be pretty drunk pretty soon, let's hope I don't post
see you tomorrow guys.
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I see what you are saying with katina and I thought about that as well. The problem I have here is that I normally try to spot scum doing anti town stuff. Which she didn't. Same applies for you. Not for the rest. Maybe I am just to naive. I promised myself to revaluate every read I currently have (including yours and katina's) in order to find the right decision tomorrow (if there is a tomorrow). We should all do that. And I don't want to hear that evantrees and rg are straight confirmed just because of their claim. We didn't get this far to lose to a simple falseclaim...
if you've ever seen Karneval / Rosenmontag in the Rheinland you'd know that I won't be able to type anything with sense, when I am done celebrating.
Alignment is town though You take my word don't you?
let's hope I don't type until tomorrow, that'll be better for everyone involved. Bye guys.
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WTF? How can hiro not be scum? Scum MVP incoming man….thanks for helping town.
Great, so LYLO x2. No more mislynches…
On February 21 2012 09:10 Adam4167 wrote:
Shoot JayJay.
If hes town, he'll understand.
No, I wouldn’t, misshot + mislynch is straight up game. I didn’t think hiro would flip town, but seeing that this would straight up won scum the game makes me suspicious as hell…I wasn’t there to defend myself and you knew it. That’s straight up bullshit. When I left forumite had me “leaning town” when I got back I was about to be shot? WTH? I did avoid the Radfield lynch. Yes. Because I couldn’t decide who was lying. Looking at the voting behavior scum had this game, how is this a straight up scum sign? They have been bussing all fucking game. I actually believe my confused post before my vote would never happened as scum….
I also don’t like how forumite just assumes you are town. What for? You guys talk like best homies while you know and I am away and you try to talk him into misfire. Nice. That feels so much like a sucker punch. Why wouldn’t you confirm a vet, but just shoot me? You have a undeniable more scummy target with hiro, but shoot for the guy who acts pro town and had 2 votes wrong? Are you kidding? How random is that? Thank god forumite didn’t do it.
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Rg? Did you claim a shot? Is that some sort of new scum move which didn’t work the first time with JB, so you just try again?
On February 21 2012 13:30 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I am assuming evan is town because he claimed Bane and got CC ed.
I think it would make no sense as scum.
JayJay is pretty much scum this game.
Evan got CCed by the one who was in the Riddler game…see a little further.
Also, why am I scum all game long? Because I straight up outed your false DT claim? Because I think you play shitty? What have I done to earn that honor?
katina: you made didn't post shit since last night. what are your reads?
evantrees: I will also need your reads. Your scumlist was not really based on anything was it?
In general, setup thoughts are stuck in my head. I know, that I can't really go from it, but I somehow don't believe there are all 4 vets in this game? I also believe deadpool's role went to someone experienced...I just have this in the back of my mind.
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On February 21 2012 12:38 hiro protagonist wrote:
Adam, could you explain you logic on why if you think Im scum to NOT shot me and lynch me instead?
this post is ironically one of the best posts hiro made all game...
please explain that logic? hint: "I am scum and I needed an easy mislynch target for tomorrow" may be right, but you should at least try something else.
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On February 21 2012 20:33 Adam4167 wrote:
Nothing I say will be able to convince you that I am not scum after the last 48 hours.
I was too gullible, assumed rG was town and that Hiro would flip scum.
My thought process was that the last scum was hiding among either yourself or Katina, and that 'tomorrow' (this day) would involve random votes flinging everywhere and result in a mislynch.
I have been a complete fool this game. All I can offer you right now is that rG is undoubtedly scum, since he claimed a hit.
I truly do apologize to the entire town for this one.
As you see, adam, I haven't voted you yet. I said yesterday that I try to see every angle. This especially applies in LYLO. Let's think this through.
Assumption: You believed rg is town (Although I pointed out several times that your "townproof" for him was flawed). And you believe hiro is scum.
a) Why not shoot hiro/scum and remove his vote, if you are afraid of a mislynch?
b) Where is evantrees in this calculation? Was he town as well? If so, why?
c) Why did you decide to shoot me? Forumite had a townread on me at the beginning and a scum read on katina. Why me? Because I wasn't there to defend myself? Because I wasn't on the Rad lynch?
I am trying to make this work adam, but I can't see any town-motivated reason in this. It feels so much like a scum-game-winning final effort...
In other news:
If rg called a shot, that's one lie too many. He lied a billion times this game, no lie was townfavored. The only lie which actually would have been town-favored (freeze protecting two-face, possible game-changer), was crushed by him. I doubt that Deadshot would falseclaim DT that easily, though.
PS: I just reread my recent posts...sorry for grammar errors and stuff. English is obviously my second language. Combining angry typing and the lack of an edit function results in mistakes...
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On February 21 2012 20:50 Adam4167 wrote:
rG's claim would have you believe that the scum shot at Hiro and Quails, Forumite fragged himself on rG and rayzor died to the riddler game.
Out of everyone in this game, Hiro is the LAST person scum would have shot, as we all considered him scum.
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this doesn't work.
4 persons died to penguin, 2xscum, riddler.
as long as no other vig fired around (are you by chance a vig rg :D ) and riddler's list was correct, there were just 4 KPs and no room for an additional shot on rg.
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On February 21 2012 21:07 Adam4167 wrote:
rG is claiming that Forumite changed his vig shot, shot at rG instead, and fragged himself, just like tunkegs passive.
Its completely bullcrap, Forumite specifically called his shot on Hiro. I get the feeling rG isn't even reading the thread, as why he would try to push a lynch on you after my behavior in the last two days is mind boggling
fragged himself? like modkill or something? We know penguins role message and it doesn't mention that he has a passive or can kill himself.
also, please respond to my post on your try to get me vigged.
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On February 21 2012 21:13 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 21:11 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 21 2012 21:07 Adam4167 wrote:
rG is claiming that Forumite changed his vig shot, shot at rG instead, and fragged himself, just like tunkegs passive.
Its completely bullcrap, Forumite specifically called his shot on Hiro. I get the feeling rG isn't even reading the thread, as why he would try to push a lynch on you after my behavior in the last two days is mind boggling fragged himself? like modkill or something? We know penguins role message and it doesn't mention that he has a passive or can kill himself. also, please respond to my post on your try to get me vigged. No, rG is claiming he has a return-damage attack, just like Tunkeg had in his role description
i see. bullshit. with no scum medic around forumite has no reason to fakecall his shot.
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On February 21 2012 21:12 Adam4167 wrote:
a) I wanted to remove the guess work out of which one of you or Katina was the final scum. If Forumite vigged you and you flipped scum, then we would lynch Hiro and GG this. If you flipped town, we would lynch hiro, and then by the process of elimination, lynch Katina tomorrow.
b) Evantrees is another claim I just took as gospel. Stupidly. I see now that he is probably not Bane, and the reason JB's claim was so bad is that he wanted to get caught to semi-confirm evantrees.
c) I mentioned why I chose you to Forumite. The entire scum team had tried to get Palmar hanged at some point throughout this game, you had, Katina hadn't. I figured it was a collaborative scum effort to get rid of Palmar, after they realized he was batman.
If I flipped town, you would have been in the same situation as we are in now. 3-2. only that the follow up lynch (hiro) would be game winning. That by itself shows that your logic makes no sense. If you see a scum, shoot him. with 4-1 you easily could have lynched me / katina the next day.
Evantrees claim is still as good as it was before JB (who was probably doomed to riddler) claimed. I don't get why you just believe every claim. You immediatly saw Toad being Joker, but insta-believe those claims? You're better than that...
I knew that Palmar was batman and I pointed out, why I wanted him dead. He killed VE + Toad and left. Toad could have killed VE too and would have drawn scum shots (I didn't know we have only one med). I didn't know Rad was red at this point. In general killing batman to save Toad is still a valid play IMO.
It is very hard for me right now to buy that you were that naive and not just are scum who tried to end the game right there...
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On February 21 2012 21:31 Adam4167 wrote:
My logic was that we would be in a 3-2 situation, with 2 confirmed scums (Hiro and Katina).
I only saw Toad being Joker because ive played Arkham City, and I knew that Joker had 'hired' Clayface to stand in for him.
I truly was that Naive, I bought into rG's crappy story from the very start. I assumed he was just really bad townie, since its only his second game.
I understand that you probably cant get past this. I knew exactly how it looked after Hiro's flip, my heart sank.
I only mentioned the joker, because you immediately saw that his claim is true. You applied good reasoning there and throughout the game. When I see good reasoning, I expect that player to to do this on every occasion. I believe that this is a good way to catch scum. They have trouble to justify all their ill-reads with good logic...
well, at least you are in luck for today. there is a person who looks even more scummy then you (especially looking at the entire game).
rg:
Did you seriously claim a shot?
Why do you want to see me dead?
You lied about a) being a DT (2x) b) having a red check on doc c) being med-protected night one d) being hit today. Do you think anyone starts to believe your calls when you lie all the time? How is this town-favored?
get in this thread and defend yourself. you are not looking good...
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