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Well. Half the players voted. This claim thing hasn't been figured out whatsoever. Here's what we got so far:
VisceraEyes: 5
Palmar
Adam4167
jaybrundage
evantrees
Palmar
Kurumi: 2
Nuke
Forumite
Tunkeg: 1
Katina
Hiro: 2
VisceraEyes
RayzorFlash
11/22 votes. This will give scum all the power to unite should someone be dying. Not good. b]If you are town, please vote! We want to have time to react.[/b]
Meanwhile, I came to the conclusion that it is best to lynch CW now. We had a metric ton of blueclaims, not all of which are invincible. CW will act as a unblockable KP from here on. If there is really 2 BGs, she'll have to kill 4 town guys. She has to start early and hope for scum to help out.
Catwoman will not hold back any more shots. She can't afford to do so.
To those who say "We need to kill scum now!", I answer "Why?".
There will be at least 3 scum KP no matter what this night. If we mislynch, there will be 4. On the other hand, if we lynch CW, we still have Palmar's shot plus the lynch to catch scums and reduce their KP even more. There is a good chance that we'll go 3 KP this night and 2 KP next night. With all the vets we have and CW out of the game, we'll have plenty of time to lynch the right guys.
What do we really loose if we lynch her? One lynch. Seeing that we have basically 1 KP per day and night, this will still be more than enough and our blues are better than ever.
Also, as most of you guys seem to have forgotten, we'll have the riddler coming up night 4 and add additional power.
So here's what I propose.
1) Lynch CW today
2) Take a HUGE batsignal and put it right on VE's ass. Let the bat do the dirty stuff.
Why VE? Well, with risk claiming and hiro being bussed, most of my list is gone. VE is still on there. Moreover this:
On February 16 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote:Or alignment change. Think outside the box Jay.
is bullshit, he OMGUSed the crap outta me in L. He's defensive and I feel like he's given up. I am still only about 80% sure that he's scum, still he's probably the best target right now.
PS: post more, silence helps scum. We need information.
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c'mon chaoser, this is just mean, you aren't alive and post gifs my internet can't handle 
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On February 17 2012 04:32 Kurumi wrote:
I won't kill 4 townies. Since when two people are four people?
bodyguards. also, you're pro town. remember?
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On February 17 2012 04:36 Tyrran wrote:
@JayJay : You counted palmar twice in your vote count.
I think we should lynch scum and not CatWoman. Even with 4 hits a nigth, scum needs 3 nigths to get rid of all of us. And that is assuming they KP do not drop. In the same time, we get 3 lynches and 6 potential hits , With both batman and Penguin difficult to kill for mafia.
We should win the base trade.
I will follow Palmar and Adam with the VE lynch.
##Vote VE
That argumentation is basically saying why I want to kill Kurumi.
With 4 KP they need 3 nights. With 3 KP they need at least 4. We immediately get our lost lynch back and risk less.
We also can enhance the chances even more if we get that additional KP. They'll take forever to kill us.
How is that not better than going for a basetrade? It's like having a good army and then risk being basetraded and loose with 70 supply ahead.
Again, VE, is the right choice, at night though.
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On February 17 2012 04:58 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Seriously, lol, seriously?
Lynch CW when we got scum?
How the hell is nuke not scum?
He´s lying it´s obvious.
As 3rd party it wouldnt make sense, and if hes CW you got your wish.
I have crumbed my role waaay before nuke showed up with his claim.
Other explanations find above.
Vote Nuke.
you are a little slow aren't you? Maybe reread a little.
if we lynch scum, it'll be VE and seriously not risk.
also, we have plenty of KP coming up, killing the third who wants to grind town is less risky and the smart play here IMO.
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On February 17 2012 05:12 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Except VE is not scum.....
And risk is.
every post I have to read from you makes me a little more angrier
what is up with you? don't you have pissed over this thread enough?
the guy claimed DT, no CC, brings us checks and had a pretty good reason for the freeze thing.
please think a little.
I believe you are town, because I believe kurumi right now, otherwise I would be pushing your lynch that hard, because it's hard to find that bad play.
you should claim another role just for fun or invent some more dt checks. you can also invent a freeeeeze ability for your current character. it suits you. and now stop "scumhunting".
/rant
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On February 17 2012 05:19 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 05:14 Kurumi wrote:On February 17 2012 05:10 risk.nuke wrote:On February 17 2012 05:04 Kurumi wrote:On February 17 2012 04:53 Tunkeg wrote:On February 17 2012 04:48 Kurumi wrote:On February 17 2012 04:47 risk.nuke wrote:On February 17 2012 02:16 Forumite wrote:On February 17 2012 02:14 Palmar wrote:
yes.
I will after risk tells the truth about what his check gave. FORUMITE IS INFACT + Show Spoiler + Now it makes a lot more sense. Thanks. Kurumi, you wouldn't kill that cute little penguin would you? I'd probably win this way and get removed, because risk surviving another night would be either miracle of foolishness of the scum team. Would indeed, you see my only chance of surviving to give you another check was if I could bluff scum to think I was protected. We can always replace Your heart with giant baboon's one and ubercharge You. This will be my back-up plan. Penguin and Two-Face are revealed. Lynch catwoman, is it difficult to understand?
yes. thank you! plus the bodyguard who will die too.
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On February 17 2012 05:23 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Ok,I have messed up this game.
Gl losing, because you wouldnt kill deadshot or Hugo.
Calling the scum team right now:
Forumite
Risk.nuke
Hiro
JayJay54
See you in post game talk.
yea they all faked PRs including the confirmed-to-be-in-the game two face. The CC is just to afraid to step up.
I came to help my scum buddies, because that by itself wasn't enough by itself.
you sir, should revaluate your logic.
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Get off my backs, counting's hard. here's the newest version.
I know you guys like lists and it makes me look contributing <3
VE: 7
Tyrran
Kurumi
Tunkeg
Palmar
Adam
Evantrees
JB
Kurumi: 4
JJ
Furomite
VE
Risk
Rayzor
Tunkeg: 1
Katina
Risk: 1
rg
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yea I know, I know, kurumi is 5 votes now.
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On February 17 2012 05:57 jaybrundage wrote:
Palmar still has his shoot and he would be aiming at scum (In a best case scenario GF.)
actually hitting deadshot would be way better for town, with palmar sticking around as the hero the town deserves.
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On February 17 2012 06:53 Tunkeg wrote:I'll do my selection based off of elimination: Palmar isn't scum. This I am pretty sure about. If he is he have played so good he just deserves to win, and I won't spoil it. Katina isn't scum. She have been on all the right lynches all game long. Even this scumteam wouldn't bus this hard. jaybrundage I think should be off the hook as well. Evantrees was pushed by Radfield day 3, so I don't think he is scum either (not sold though) Qualis was checked and came out green (Is an odd chance that this is Hugo and that he chose VT as his cover) Kurumi is third party, he is out. Adam I grew more unsure about throughout this day, but I think he isn't scum. From the last 4 I am not sure at all, but I will leave out Tyran for now. The other 4 is my guess for scum: VE Hiro Jayjay RayzorFlash And especially jayjay and razor who both have talked about Penguin having a bg in Solomon earlier in the game. I truly think you guys have discussed this in the scum QT... Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 20:40 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 11 2012 20:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Don't know. It's obvious enough now that I was "hired" by Joker, so I assumed Toadesstern is Joker and that Palmar took the fake claim so that Toades wouldn't have to. Because Toades didn't call him out, I didn't push him to get lynched. I briefly considered hte possibility that they're both playing me and that the real Joker is too afraid to CC but I doubt it. One of them is the Joker.
If I survive the night the Joker can't die. I also can't be killed by Batman or Catwoman, just scum/vig. A scum/vig hit will take me out and open up the possibility of the Joker dying. That's why I need medics. I think it's pretty clear from Toades' posts regarding the issue, his claims of invulnerability, etc. that he is the real joker. I just don't understand the point of Palmar's lie, it's easy enough to keep Toades alive knowing this. Medics just need to keep me up. nice. now everything is spilled out. If scum didn't know, they know now. Might as well wrap it up for everyone. Toad was asked at one point if he "hired" someone by doc. This word apparently is in both PMs, looking at the way toad reacted. In the game Joker "hires" the past-actor clayface to carry out his jobs and to protect him. Same constellation for penguin (btw: doc, you said in your case that opz claimed penguin? was that in the qt? he sure talks about him a lot) and solomon (please don't claim). Knowing the lore, it was quite obvious that Toad is joker. Let's see if I would have lost the bet. Unfortunately, medics don't do shit against batman, doc. I can't believed, you let yourselves lead into so much brabbeling. also, rG, I am still waiting, I know you read this. Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 02:44 RayzorFlash wrote:
It does make sense for penguin to have a bodyguard vet too, probably Solomon Grundy (fits game lore/theme)
My problem with a hiro lynch is that even if he is mafia, which i think is decently likely, it gives us next to no real info... I'd rather lynch radfield/palmar... I actually wouldnt mind a palmar lynch just because his posts and claims have started to give me.a headache,lol...
##vote: Radfield
tunkeg. you didn't play the game did you? as rayzor states here it 100% fits the lore. Rayzor and me are probably not the only ones who figured that out. Because two players state it, that doesn't make them scum.
Also, if I try to save VE, why the fuck did I say that he has to be shot immediately? He is my number one scum bet right now.
We outed 3 PRs who have to be eliminated by CW. She will kill them. Town on the other hand has plenty of KP, Palmar, Riddler, Lynch, Penguin. We have ENOUGH KP to kill scum in one cycle. So why not play it safe, remove a anti town KP and use our billion KP to blow up scum. If we win one day, one dt claim or one vig shot, it was already worth it. We also might end up mislynching which gives scum 4 KP.
[b9This play makes sense.[/b] It is not anti-town. Palmar originally suggested it and then the blues weren't even outed. He is anti-town, too? If you don't feel that way fine, but don't just call scum.
You also conveniently fail to mention that forumite and risk who are confirmed town in your list are pushing for a CW lynch as well.
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On February 17 2012 07:15 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 07:10 Jayjay54 wrote:
We outed 3 PRs who have to be eliminated by CW. She will kill them. Town on the other hand has plenty of KP, Palmar, Riddler, Lynch, Penguin. We have ENOUGH KP to kill scum in one cycle. So why not play it safe, remove a anti town KP and use our billion KP to blow up scum. If we win one day, one dt claim or one vig shot, it was already worth it. We also might end up mislynching which gives scum 4 KP.
So will scum. If we lynch CW, what makes you think scum wont kill 2face/Penguin ASAP ? Also, they still have their medic, so shooting at them isnt as efficient as lynching them. Yes, misslynching means we will be heavily relying on batman and penguin shot. But If we kill CW, and Batman/Penguin kill town with their shot, we are is the same bad position. And I do not see palmar not shooting VE at nigth if we let him leave anyway. Lets lynch VE. It is strictly better from a town point of view than lynching CW.
a) batman's shot is a lynch, because it goes through protection. Why wouldn't he kill VE? And what does "let him leave anyway" mean?
b) yes of course will they go for the PRs. but it will be 3 KP instead of 4. It's only about the KP.
Yes, let's kill VE, but for the sake of our PRs, remove CW first.
We have 2 NKs and a lynch to reduce the scum KP to 2.
So no. It is not strictly better. I am 100% certain that the KP we "waste" on CW right now, will come back to us. Risk and forumite voted Kurumi, isn't that something that would make you reconsider?
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Also, if palmar for some reason decides not to kill VE, we can just lynch him tomorrow.
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On February 17 2012 07:22 Tunkeg wrote:So this is how I view it after thinking it through: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qxjsd.jpg) Both scenarios that are most likely gives us the same lead after night 4. But I have reviewed my thoughts, and this is why I think taking out CW is better- So this is why I am inclined to swap to Kurumi (sorry man :/) : -We take out a guaranteed kp if we hit. -We won't have a guaranteed kill of a town PR night 4. So you guys were pretty much right about killing Kurumi. I still think most of the scumteam is on Kurumi, because they want to save VE. But I still think town is better off with killing CW, and for you guys to shoot some reds tonight. ##vote Kurumi
thank you for actually thinking about this. It is the right play. Of course is VE trying to save his ass. But he will die anyways. And that's good.
You can't call other town players scum, because they fight for a pro-town play (which YOU support). Call them scum for their reasonings and actions.
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@adam: catch up: freeze is rg and he doesn't protect anyone.
@hiro: yea, catch up. The blues are claimed, kurumi knows who to shoot and won't miss.
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On February 17 2012 07:32 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 07:29 Jayjay54 wrote:
@adam: catch up: freeze is rg and he doesn't protect anyone.
@hiro: yea, catch up. The blues are claimed, kurumi knows who to shoot and won't miss. I'm operating on 5 hours sleep >.> Still, catwoman dies, penguin can shoot his way to victory.
no worries mate.
and I didn't argue about lynching kurumi. You might have noticed, I am pushing for that 
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On February 17 2012 07:37 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 07:33 risk.nuke wrote:
We're lynching kurumi. We can shoot vicera and hiro tonight. no, your team still has a medic. bad scum slip right there nuke.
stop freaking posting without reading the thread. He claimed two face, gave dt reads and has no CC right now.
So as long as you are no two face, stop calling him scum.
jesus.
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On February 17 2012 07:51 Tunkeg wrote:
You guys who are still on the VE lynch, please come out and tell your reasons. I clearly see more of an upside to killing CW now. Scum team really have to put in some effort to get through me to kill penguin if we do. While I am pretty sure CW can ignore me.
I love how you go from "Everybody voting Kurumi looks scum" to "Everybody not voting Kurumi looks scum" in under 25 minutes.
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