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also, interesting chaoser and hiro where have you guys been? | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:47 Forumite wrote: Hiro voted since this, otherwise it should be correct. My vote is not on nuke anymore... | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:51 Kurumi wrote: Double stack, do You think we've got stupid scum in this Player Roster? tbf, they double (maybe triplestacked) doc in order to get rid of two confirmed blue roles in one strike. which is an understandable move... | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:56 Kurumi wrote: Hits were on DocH and me. No vigilante claimed shooting me. So it was either Schworz(cause he's insane) or scum kp. yea, assuming you are telling the truth, doublestack doc, one on you. that's what I've been saying. | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:59 Kurumi wrote: Also "Two"? Since when "one" is "two"? You thought Palmar was going to hit Toad? yup, he will. you'll see. in the not so likely case that palmar isn't batman, some other batman will kill him. I am 90% sure. | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:58 Toadesstern wrote: don't you think a confirmed blue DT would be way more dangerous than a confirmed Veteran who already lost his 2nd live? Sure they want to get me as well but tripplestacking docH makes no sense if rad reall is a blue DT. not RB'ing him doesn't make sense either. yup, I don't get the RB. Maybe they tried to save a member in blocking batman. That is the only thing I can think of. Instantly loosing a team member is worse than a red DT check (with a good chance on a green/blue check) I am just trying to see every angle. If we mislynch our single DT, which showed pro town behaviour so far, we will hate ourselves, this isn't a light decision, nor should it be. We can probably lose or win the game here. | ||
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On February 14 2012 04:05 Toadesstern wrote: BTW I already said I don't know if I got hit, right? Apparently radfield knew he got hit, so it has to be a medic or him being talia Or him lying. Or him being third. | ||
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On February 14 2012 04:06 Kurumi wrote: As You see, this lynch is really controversial. It is a goldmine. It is a sign that we're heading in the right direction. I agree, you see some long forgotten faces popping up, which is a good sign imo. Still, mislynching our DT is fatal, we want to think this through as much as we can. | ||
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I don't feel comfortable lynching a DT who gave us a scum d2 right now, although the lurker fraction around hiro and chaoser made the choice a little harder. Right now, I'd keep Rad alive and hope that he gives another read the next dawn or at least draws a RB: I also reconsidered my Kurumi / Palmar third read and have revisited the though of both Palmar and Rad being third. Toad this is probably your last day  But I guess that's kinda in the calculation right now.Who to lynch now? I don't know how much weight I put into the whole "he voted sheth d1, he's not scum" argumentation. Both of my strongest scum reads nuke and hiro voted him. The other read I had, is chaoser (since rg fakeclaimed once more) voted CC. I'll vote hiro. One of my biggest scumreads due his play being 100% different from his blue play in L. He stepped up out of the lurker cave and pushed against Palmar. Maybe this lynch can provide information on Rad and also hopefully hit a scum. ##vote Hiro Protagonist Sorry I seem confused, but that's how this day has made me feel. I guess scum succeeded in spreading confusion. At least with me. I'll be on for another hour before I go to sleep and hopefully wake up to see a on spot lynch... | ||
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On February 14 2012 07:10 Kurumi wrote: Hiro is fine How did a vet die from one shot ? sorry I don't follow? | ||
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On February 14 2012 07:15 Toadesstern wrote: Doubt that it's going to be my last day, unless of course mafia tripplestack me but I'm happy to take 3 bullets. I think Palmar is very much able to calculate how much KP Town got himself. It's 5 mafia alive. If rad flips Hugo it is indeed my last day alive If rad flips someone else we still got 4 Mafia left, one of them is bound to be Hugo and Mafia has to deal with me as well to stand a chance. Why should he waste a hit on me when he can hunt Hugo while leaving me for mafia? The only way to lose this for palmar is if town loses or if we end up having only 1 mafia alive at a day because in that scenario we'd lynch the last one before he killed me. If we got 2 mafias alive at day we'll lynch one, which makes it 1 into the night. He shoots me, I shoot the mafia. Town and Batman win. If it's 2 at night he shoots me as well because as mentioned it's too dangerous to let a X v 1 happen when the next cycle is a daycycle. For now we're nowhere near to those 2 scenarios. It's 5 mafias alive and it's not like we're going to kill all 5 right now. I don't have protection any more, he can just onehit. Ok we still got Penguin that guy MAYBE makes it another KP town gut but I doubt that he's a multishot vig as well. We're already missing KP in our lists. Anyways let's say he's going to add 1 safety point to both scenarios to make sure we don't vig the last two mafias before he wins. Still no need to kill me today. If he fears that town might lose or that Kurumu might shoot into town he's going to shoot a mafia to make sure we don't lose. If he thinks he does not need to shoot a Mafia he'll use his DT to find Hugo without shooting mafias to make sure this game lasts a little bit longer. I don't know if he agrees. On February 14 2012 05:13 Palmar wrote: This is incredibly simple. I did most certainly shoot Radfield night 1. And even if you don't believe that, he claimed taking a hit night 1. So this means he must've been protected. This medic should claim now. If no medic claims, Radfield dies. If a medic claims, well, go ahead and lynch me, just remember me when you lynch Radfield and his medic scumbuddy. Now first off, I'm not batman, so can you please stop that nonsense. Second, batman can just shoot toad tonight, and if town is on such a roll, he can just join the ride until the godfather is dead. Easy. If you're reading this batman, I think that's actually what you should do. | ||
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dunno, maybe he was hit n1, although nobody claimed it. palmar was RBed, prob catfood. Hey. You are catwoman, shouldn't you know? | ||
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If Rad was lying about town being on a role, we certainly are now. 3 KP vig (I assume you have better aim than toad, no offense  )+ 1 joker vig + Batman wanting to kill hugo? Awesome.On February 14 2012 22:23 Tunkeg wrote: Hiro, Razor, risk, jayjay all of those are pretty good vigshots tonight. that list doesn't make any sense. Although I can see how my votes yesterday may be seen as wishy washy / scummy, you can't put me into a list with hiro and risk. I made cases against both and voted both. If I am scum, I wouldn't call out both of my buddies... I still don't agree on razor, but I certainly agree on hiro and risk, nothing has changed here. Except of another "please shoot me post of hiro". Stop those. Oh and to all of you who say J didn't really want to vote, I want you to look at nuke again, his forgot-to-unvote-CC-Sheth-vote (which kita rightfully pointed out) was like his only town cred point right now. meanwhile on the other extreme: On February 14 2012 22:50 Forumite wrote: My read on everyone, based mostly by reading through the last 20 pages of debate around the Radfield lynch. Toades, surviving vigis and Batman, whoever you are, I think you should shoot into the first category of players. - 90% scum: Jaybrundage risk.nuke VisceraEyes Chaoser - 50/50: tunkeg Hiro Protagonist Katina Layabout Tyrran - 90% Townlist: rgSchworz Kitaman27 (against the lynch but claimed blue, who hasn´t been counterclaimed) Rayzorflash Evantrees (screams newbie town to me) Adam4167 (Revoted Radfield despite Kitamans claim) Bill Murray (claimed Medic, only reason he´s here) - 100% Townlist: Toadesstern Qualis Jayjay54 Forumite <- Shameless self-promotion - Ignore list: Palmar Kurumi If there´s anything you think is wrong or odd in my list, please speak up. I know there are at least 5 townies in the first two categories, but I think most are in the 50/50 group, not the 90% scumlist. I don't want to argue that you paint me town, but 100%? After yesterday? You mentioning that mafia bussed hiro and I am the first one to vote him? I am not sure, I follow your motives, maybe your reasoning is wrong. Degrade me to 90%. Same goes for Qualis assuming I don't miss someone. Why am I bringing this up? Because I think if scum wanted to save Rad they most likely would have just followed Kita's 3 KP chaoser claim (btw that timing WAS a little suspicious, but I still think you're rightclaiming, as no one else screamed riddler). Kita basically provided a buyout without penalty. So we might look into that. I still question the timing of the kita move. He stood up for his believes which is fine, but left toad even more to die. Odd, but again, I think his claim is truthful. | ||
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On February 15 2012 00:53 Toadesstern wrote: I'm still considering shooting kita just for the lulz of getting a hattrick and being the single player that shot the most townies in this game. But than again, I guess that's mod-kill / banlist worthy so I guess if I really want to shoot kita I'd have to write an 500words essay about why I think kita is a good target and pm it to BC first to net get banned. well you might just shoot like you normally do to obtain the hattrick <3 :3 | ||
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On February 15 2012 01:07 Toadesstern wrote: heyheyhey, I still keep telling me I just got unlucky. That way I can sleep at night. Since I'm dead by tomorrow anyways here's the reasoning I did the last 2 nights. n1: "well sheth is like 85% mafia, if he is he'll be protected anyways so no sense in shooting that. Need to find someone else. I could shoot hiro but since CC flipped green I'm probably better off taking a safe shot. Guess shooting Kenpachi is always fine. It's not like that could go terribly wrong." n2: "mmmh, hiro, opz or chaoser". Figured if I'm right about chaoser they'll medic him so either hiro or opz and I seriously flipped a coin. heads = hiro, tails = opz and we all know what happened. Shame I'm not Two-face. I'd do the same as n2 again. man, I'm just messing with you :D While I don't necessarily agree (especially Opz was kinda acting blue to me for some reason), I can see why you took your shots. I trust your judgement and just pray that you don't get unlucky again | ||
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We had the chance to save toad yesterday, we didn't do it and the choice was 99% right, because we got a red PR concealed as a town detective which is a freaking win. So toad, use your last shot wisely, you won't be around for long, you will be missed <3. This discussion VE brought up was almost to anti-town to be scum. Maybe all coaches are dead , he is my newcomer in my scumlist alongside nuke and hiro. I'd lynch all three right now and also chaoser (3KP + bonus chance that scum) and will probably join the coolest bandwagon I see when I get back from work tomorrow.Also, stop calling me scum without ever looking at my filter. And I bet you didn't Razor Flash. On February 15 2012 04:33 RayzorFlash wrote: Random thoughts before I go write my midterm: Catwoman is probably really nervous and on the verge of shooting anything that moves right now. If the Clayface-Joker protection is also mirrored for Solomon Grundy-Penguin (which I think it should be, from a fairness point of view, and it works with the game/lore/theme) she needs to get a LOT of things to go right for her to win... Wonder if we can strike a bargain to trade her one of her targets identities if she hits a scum or something... Just thinking out loud, feel free to tell me how stupid of an idea that is and how suggesting it makes me OBVIOUSLY scum... lol I'm not entirely sure VE is scum because of how surprised he was by the existence of the phone network... He could have been faking it though, definitely a consideration... I'd put him as maybe scum for now... My scum list is pretty short now.... Hiro, chaoser, maybe Jayjay, maybe VE... I might end up dying myself because i failed hard at the riddler game yesterday... taking a gamble with it, lol There's no more roleblock in the game so everyone go wild!! I 100% agree with your list, well, except of me. Do you really think I'd lynch all of my friends (and I bet there's at least two scum in there). Please consider my actions and posts, before you do that. There is a reason, there is no case on me, yet. My actions are pro town. If you don't believe my words, have a look and see yourself. Randomly shouting my name makes me a sad panda, even if you have next to no influence right now. I also don't want to be called confirmed town right now, I believe I'll be killed real quick at this point. If you think I am, that's cool, keep it to yourself, though. So again, my four scums candidates, I'd be up for a lynch are: hiro, nuke, VE, chaoser. In that order. chaoser also has bonus KP which we might consider, too. Hope kita aims well. Finally, my internet works via tethering right now on 56k. It sucks, I know. So please, please, please stop posting gifs, chaoser. It takes me 15 mins to load a page. | ||
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On February 15 2012 07:06 Toadesstern wrote: I already send in my action. Whos the most scared? all town players | ||
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NKs: That was kind of what I expected. 4-6 dead townies 0-1 dead scum gg guys! Welcome to the team palmar!____________________________ Let’s analyze some risk and reward for different lynches. All numbers may be qualitative :D Lynch hiro: Risk: 65 % Reward: 110 %: He has been scummy all game. He was top of my charts all game. I made a case and voted him d2. The thing which bothers me is and is making me NOT want to lynch him is that nobody ever opposed a hiro lynch. I tried to find anyone in this whole game to defend him and I couldn’t. There is light pressure on him and still everyone has him booked as scum no one says he's cool (Palmar doesn't count, he's third). Mafia is not putting any efforts in to save him. Other candidates like razor, VE, tyrrant, (forumite), everyone wants to see him dead. Since there is no reason for scum (correct me if I am wrong) to bus right now, I think hiro is just bad town. I realize that I am now stepping up and defend a scum on most list. I want you to reread the last pages and see that everybody is booking him as scum. If he is scum he’s most likely not a PR. So I would suggest lynching somebody else. Risk: 25% Reward 120 %: Has come back to the top of my kill it with fire list with guys like tyrran saying he’s town. I am curious, where does this townread on nuke come from? I can maybe understand seeing him neutral, but a townread? What for? Please explain. His defense post was shit and his vote was reasoned with “I have decided to”. Plus softdefend. He’s scum. He always has been. He even MIGHT be a PR. I’d lynch him. VE: Risk 45% Reward 140%. His last post were unimpressive. Arguing to lynch batman, before he comes town was incredibly short-sighted. If the name wasn’t VE, he’d be top of the charts. I already said it on day 1 in this game. I played with him in L. He claimed JOAT and pretended to dayshot, then realized he couldn’t, then used his abilities on vet and mason. He also claimed a missing hit. So he basically was confirmed town that game and still my logic wanted to scream SCUM. I think I even made a case on him after he claimed a shot... On the other hand however, he’s a VET (I believe) and thus has a fair chance to have a PR if he flips scum as adam rightfully pointed out. I feel uncertain here. He might be everything from Penguin to fucking GF. His actions look scum, he might be, he might flip town also. Tricky. @VE: Why do you believe hiro is a good choice, even if he has next to zero resistance? Kurumi: Risk 5% Reward 100%. This is the safest play. We’ll not kill scum, we’ll kill a KP with a 99% accuracy though. But here’s the tricky part we must absolutely not mislynch. Even if Palmar hits his target a mislynch would most likely (assuming one BG - Vet save) put us to 6-4 with catwoman still alive. This will be incredibly hard to come back. We need to lynch scum or CW today. No options, crunchtime. Be aware of that, before you shout out random names, who may or may not be scum. This is also, why Kurumi is a good choice. . It just doesn’t kill scum. No risk, no reward. If we are not sure to lynch scum, we should lynch kurumi. ____________________________ Palmar: You mark Tyrran as scum. This should help you get onboard the risk train if you want to… On February 16 2012 01:20 Tyrran wrote: risk.nuke :Town read on him. You also mentioned a mass claim. Here’s why it is a bad idea. We still have a possible protected person (go penguin!) and one or two vets. If we give out this information, scum will have no trouble whatsoever to kill them in the right order. No KP will be deflected. This is not a good idea imo. If you still think it’s a good idea, tell me why. The last thing that (still) interests me, why the fuck did you confirm rg as a DT? How do you know he’s town and why should you care with you being CW and all. I feel like rg needs to be looked at one more time. But not today. Summary: I’ll lynch Kurumi or risk. I’d be up for a lynch on VE and maybe Tyrran as well if that’s what town desires, they are more risky though. I’ll not sheep into hiro. That’s what scum wants right now. | ||
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Rg ones more amazes with yet more lies or game winning scum hunting skills. Probably the first one. I feel the key may be this post here: Kurumi would you please step up and say why you did this? ________________________________________________ Also, to people who say that catwoman will not shoot into town should seriously question their judgment. Of course she will. BGs are likely (at least grundy was quite obvious). She has to kill three townies before we win. She will not achieve that with waiting, she’ll 100% shoot town tonight. We need to be aware of this. Especially with a billion blue claims out there. She is still a lynch option IMO. ___________________________________________________ I will not vote yet, I kinda want to solve this clusterfuck which is going on there. If there really was a scumslip, I don’t see a reason why we should not lynch into that. | ||
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